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lillththesuccubus · 1 year
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Din Dijarin watching Bo Katan beat the shit out of Axe Woves Like:
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mearchy · 2 months
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I’ve almost no understanding of linguistics. But this post and also @thefoundationproject ‘s fics, which include bits about how the Journeyman Protector dialect might be related to Standard Mando’a, have me trying to hypothesize Mandalorian language trees. based on what we know about Mandalorian history.
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I KNOW some of you are language nerds and I also did this in fifteen minutes please yell at me about your own headcanons and also about everything I got wrong/missed/forgot. It would be cool to turn it into a real graph to reference eventually (:
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synthwwavve · 1 year
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some colorful mandos ✌️
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evaarade · 1 month
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"Mandalorians didn't want to change, Satine merely forced them to"
Except, no she didn't and and yeah they did.
Here's the thing, we are told that the majority of the people wanted the change and were New Mandalorians, we are told that the only people who weren't were a small minority that had been exiled for causing a damaging war on the planet and population
And it was That minority that kick started Mandalore falling, that brought wars back to Mandalore, that took over via trickery and deception because the majority were Happy with Satine so the only way that said minority could take over was by making her seem incompetent and convinced the population of exactly that
Mandalore was a tragedy in the Clone wars because people WANTED to change, they were HAPPY with the change that Satine brought, but because an Extremist Minority didn't like it so they all Suffered
George Lucas said that the Prequels were a story about how a democracy fell, and I see The Clone Wars Mandalorians as another chapter of that, but this time it wasn't because of the civilian inaction, it was because while the people did Everything Right, they suffered under things out of their control and an Extremist Minority used propaganda and staged attacks to take over at the first chance they had.
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bojangos · 8 months
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the nite owl and her owlets, c. ~35BBY
slapped some colors on this doodle for my 'arla fett is the original nite owl' headcanon. yes that is baby bo-katan and baby ursa wren.
arla is not as nice of a teacher as this makes her seem, rip. also the year might be off i can't do math lmao
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writerbuddha · 2 months
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Before Satine Kryze, Mandalore was what the entire galaxy was in the Sith-era, when societies and cultures were based on the principle of "the strong preys on the weak." Old Mandalore and the Zygerrian Slave Empire share the same mentality: Vizsla asserts, "only the strongest shall rule," and Miraj asserts, "The weak deserve nothing more than to kneel before the strong." This is why both the Death Watch and the re-established Zygerrian Slave Empire were so ready to ally themselves with the Sith Lords. They both thrived when the Sith ruled the known universe - they were, too, empires of darkness.
And they were both, one way or another, ended by the Jedi Order. Satine was protected by the Jedi Knights, thus, she was able to re-organize her planet as a peaceful and symbiotic society, and the Zygerrian Slave Empire was destroyed by the Jedi Knights. This is why both the Death Watch and the re-established Zygerrian Slave Empire hate the Jedi Knights - they cultivated light.
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brachiosaurus-on · 1 year
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Satine Kryze: lead Mandalore into an 15 years of peace & rebuilding prosperity
Death Watch: destabilized the government and lost power within 15 minutes
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strawberryvulture · 2 years
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i’ve noticed that whenever we see Satine she’s always “modestly” dressed/covered - which is a total contrast to many costumes of other characters:
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and i think it would be interesting to write this as some sort of Mandalorian religious thing - like how Din Djarin and the Children of the Watch don’t take off their helmets, and don’t seem to uncover any other parts of themselves either.
of course Din and his people are religiously orthodox/extremist, so Satine’s situation would obviously be different - more like covering your head before going to mass and less like wearing a nun’s habit.
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but it would still be really intriguing to paint Satine as religious, as following religious traditions - especially because she’s so devoted to Mandalore and it’s people. like…we’ve seen her wear low cut dresses and show her hands and her hair, but maybe as a sign of respect and modesty she keeps her arms and legs covered (we never see her arms and legs in any canon imagery)
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and!! it would bring up an interesting layer to her dynamic with Obi Wan. Obi’s devoted to his religion and Satine is devoted to hers - but those religions have vast differences and few similarities.
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you could play it like “their religious and cultural differences cause friction between them” or as “they’re aware of their differences and have a profound respect for each other” - and between the two, the latter seems much more plausible/in character.
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just imagine
Obi Wan, during their year on the run, shielding her with his cloak so she could change clothes without any of her limbs being seen. Obi Wan quickly covering the exposed skin on her arms when bad guys attack and their weapons have ripped her sleeves. Or!!! Satine hiding injuries from Obi because she doesn’t want to break her promise, doesn’t want to reject the traditions of her people - when Obi eventually finds out he turns his back/separates them with a curtain, and talks her though cleaning the wounds.
Satine never “said the word” because no matter how much she loved Obi Wan, she’d never expect him to break his oath or turn his back on the code. because she knows how important being a jedi is to him. because she knows and understands how important his devotions are. He never once asked her to compromise her beliefs for him - and she’s not going to ask him to compromise for her.
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Mandalorian History 101
The following is a simplified timeline of all the major events in Mandalorian history leading up to The Clone Wars. This is compiled from the section of The Bounty Hunter Code dealing with Death Watch and Mandalorian history. It is copywrite 2014, the first year of the new canon. Though the book is not included in Disney canon, it was published after TCW episodes dealing Death Watch and not been refuted by anything in current canon, so there is no reason to believe it is not accurate. 
approx. 7000 BBY - The Taung race (Progenitors of present day Mandalorians) cleanse Mandalorian space of its inhabitants and lay down roots
approx. 4000 BBY - Mandalorians fight alongside the Sith in the Great Sith War, but are betrayed - Mand’alor the Ultimate opens up the creed to their slaves and conquered people because their race is dying out - They begin a campaign for galactic conquest called The Onlaught, but it was more to fill out their ranks with new recruits - They are defeated by the Republic and the Mandalorians lay low for a time
approx. 1100 BBY - Mand’alor the Uniter brought the best and brightest Mandalorians from the throughout the galaxy home - Warriors ruled, protecting the artisans, manufacturers, and laborers who supported them, and the vassals and servants who supported them in turn - The Darksaber is forged by Tarre Vizsla (the only Mandalorian to become a Jedi)
approx. 700 BBY - Mandalorians begin to stir again and the Jedi take up arms, nearly wiped them out in the “Annihilation” - The New Mandalorians who rejected the warrior ways gain power when the Republic installed them in the government - The Aka’liit (The Mandalorian Faithful to the warrior way) lived in the shadows, giving the allegiance to the True Mandalores they appointed
approx. 200 BBY - There is a split among the Faithful – some wanted to conquer any potential threats while others argued against starting wars and living by more peaceful means
approx. 60 BBY - The Faithful chose Jaster Mereel as the True Mandalore, who wanted to implement honorable rules of conduct for all Mandalorians on how they earn wealth by bounty hunting or the red trade - Tor Vizsla, who dreamed of Mandalorians returning to their roots as conquerors, split away and formed the Death Watch, becoming the Secret Mandalore. The Death Watch used the Darksaber (an heirloom of House Vizsla) as a symbol of their authority and made a decree than anyone could challenge the Secret Mandalore for leadership and “win” the Darksaber*
52 BBY - Tor Vizsla killed the True Mandalore, Jaster Mereel - Jango Fett’s adopted father
44 BBY - The Death Watch tricked the Jedi into eliminating the True Mandalorians for them
approx. 44-39 BBY - The Great Clan Wars take place within the ranks of the The Faithful - Adonai Kryze is killed in battle - Duchess Satine Kryze of the New Mandalorians assumes the throne of Mandalore - Tor Vizsla is killed by Jango Fett in 42 BBY - The Darksaber is entrusted to Pre Vizsla, governor of Concordia and the new Secret Mandalore of Death Watch, who takes in Bo-Katan Kryze as his protege
Since the Great Clan Wars take place after the True Mandalorians are wiped out, we know that Adonai Kryze was not part of their ranks. The following quote from Tor Vizsla concerning the Kryze family suggests that Adonai was one of his men, or was at least revered by him. Considering that Tor dies shortly after this is written, it’s not a big leap to see how Bo-Katan came to be on Concordia with Pre Vizsla, his successor. 
“Meanwhile, centuries of New Mandalorian lies had left the Mando’ade weak and soft. One of my kinswomen, the Duchess Satine Kryze, had been sent offworld as a child by her father, a mighy clan warlord, and she fell prey to the lies of the Jedi. After father perished in the Great Clan Wars, she betrayed his memory by becoming the leader of the New Mandalorians. Aided by Jedi tricks, she became the newest Anti-Mandalore, whereupon the exhausted Mando’ade flocked to her banner. Some of our warriors were exiled to the moon Concordia. Others – myself included – slipped away to resume the ba’slan shev’la.” - Tor Vizsla
* The decree that one could become Mand’alor by winning the Darksaber in combat from the current Mand’alor was an invention of Death Watch (in canon and legends), so it suggests a strong tie between Death Watch and the Children of the Watch that the latter is so hung up on this “tradition” when it’s only been a thing for about 70-75 years. 
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red-emperor · 5 months
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Holiday season ❄️
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mandalorianhistorian · 6 months
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Something that I love in lore for the mandalorians
(Especially how traviss wrote them)
They care for the protection of children and adults in their culture and outside of it unlike our own reality which is well something but.
I really love the scenes that show it in rep com jusik with a certain someone and mentions from other characters and legacy of the force with boba bevin medrit mirta sintas and in many of the comics hell even in kotor canderous shows that compassion of protection when he talks to a farmer
Mandalorian culture and society seem to take it much more seriously than most of the galaxy which is no shock there and i really love jaina seeing that first hand when shes on mandalor.
Zayne experiences it when he is a mandalorian for a time I really enjoy that comic it’s so fun to see Jedi experience that mandalorians deeply care and not the monsters some say they are.
Death watch is a whole other story (the harm of innocent women and children) but besides them the vast amount of Mandalorians stick to that one big thing.
And if they don’t :D they will die the same way the bastard that harmed fetts wife did or worse 💗
(I love mandalorians being protective)
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r0gerr0ger · 9 months
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More thoughts about Satine’s pacifism…
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So I read this post the other day that suggested Satine’s period of rule was just a blip in Mandalore’s history, that she only maintained power because she’d won it in battle, and that Mandalorians were glad to return to their traditionalist ways and… it just really irked me.
Because that’s not true at all??
When we meet Satine in TCW, it’s super clear that she was very popular, and a good ruler. In only 15-20 years, she’s restored Sundari to prosperity, and is a city that appears very wealthy with a satisfied population. She herself is very invested in her people, helps directly with social and political matters. She’s managed to rebuild worlds and cities devastated by war and environmental issues.
There’s never any kind of explanation exactly as to her style of rule. Certainly she’s not a constitutional monarch but there is a prime minister and council, and regional governors, so she’s no autocrat. This suggests democracy, and her people thus voting for continued pacifist policies/leaders.
(We also only see issues/events occur that in any society would involve leaders, regardless of how much a role they play in politics)
I mean sure, it’s the capital city and we don’t really see anywhere else. And there’s also corruption, hunger, terrorism, etc.- but a lot of the latter issues are because of outside forces (galactic war and the sith) that she does remarkably well, in my opinion, to combat for several years.
So already that’s a lot of evidence to suggest pacifism/modernism was widely popular amongst Mandalorians and not just a blip.
(Also, she may have come to power through battle, but this suggests there was an incredibly strong military and public force behind her ascendancy to the throne in order to win a civil war that had been waging essentially for decades- therefore illustrating mandalorians wanted pacifism, and she didn’t just usurp her position)
Then to the suggestion they were glad to return to their military ways…
People often use the state of Mandalore in Rebels/The Mandalorian to argue that the warrior culture was a more natural and preferred one among Mandalorians.
But this isn’t what we see at all.
We return to Mandalore in Rebels like 17/18 years after we last saw it in TCW. In this time, an extremist clan and the empire have been ruling the system.
We’ve seen the scale and ability of the empire’s propaganda missions already- erasing or changing history, destroying entire races- particularly with the jedi.
Alongside a ruler encouraging/forcing his people to re-embrace their martial past, of course it’s going to appear as if Mandalorian society has returned to its ‘original’ state of violence and warfare.
And yet, even though it’s gone back to clan warfare and endless, unnecessary fighting, that’s not what the people want at all.
Even though the Mandalorians we meet in Rebels are characterised as especially traditional (clan wren allied with death watch; fenn rau fought alongside the republic and later the empire, going against satine’s political status) they are never actually fighting for a return to their martial past.
Instead, the whole storyline is about uniting Mandalorians, pushing out the oppressive empire, ending the civil wars, etc.
Sure, they want to retain more of their martial culture than Satine did, but perhaps here is where we can argue that Sundari was a bit of an exception by being so especially modernist, whereas other planets and communities still retained many elements of their warrior culture- such as wearing the armour- even if not engaging in warfare.
Again, there is a similar storyline in The Mandalorian season 3- despite the fact that this is about the most extreme group of Mandalorians. It’s still about uniting together, rebuilding their world, ending war and violence among each other, protecting each other.
Therefore, I think it’s clear that actually, even if not to quite the same degree (but then, it’s likely this would come later once the last 2 decades of military propaganda had been overcome) Mandalorians didn’t want to retain their military past, but wanted to move in a more pacifist direction.
The only thing I have some issue arguing against is what we see in TCW when Satine is overthrown, where the masses really quickly switch to supporting death watch/Vizsla.
I’ve talked here about why this may be the case but even many of my arguments on that post don’t properly explain why a city that in previous seasons we saw offering mass support for satine and prospering under pacifism, suddenly turned so against her.
Really, I put this down to TCW being, in the end, a show aimed at younger audiences, and needing to get the point across clearly and dramatically that death watch and maul had manipulated people, and that’s why it seems so out of place.
(Does anyone have more to say on this than me? I’d find other’s perspective on this, whatever that perspective is, really interesting)
Either way, it’s made continually clear that Satine’s rule was far from a blip in Mandalorian history, or that Mandalorians only ever barely tolerated her.
Their martial society was a thing of the past. People were sick of it. Satine won the clan wars for a reason, and was a very effective ruler for many years until events outside her control (that frankly would have negatively impacted even the most golden ruler) meant she fell from power.
Had there not been the clone war or the sith, she would undoubtedly have continued to rule, and mandalore continued to stay pacifist.
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(I also think it’s a shame we never saw more of mandalorian society during Satine’s rule. We only focus on her and other political rulers at that time, and when we later return to mandalore it’s all from the perspective of either extremists like din djarin and his sect, or again more political leaders/rulers that have an especially militaristic past.)
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jedi-valjean · 1 year
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I used to think Bo-Katan was a terrible, power-hungry person who switched sides but never changed her ways. I don't think she's evil anymore. I think she's prideful. I think she's got a savior complex. I think saving Mandalore is more important to her than ruling it, but because people— like Din's group— blame her for losing Mandalore to Gideon, she's desperate to prove them wrong by wielding the Darksaber and restoring Mandalore to its former glory. When Din gets it instead, she throws herself a pity party and convinces herself that Mandalore can't be saved anyway, because if she can't do it, no one can. But they're welcome to try, and maybe in doing so they'll humiliate themselves the way she's been humiliated.
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lux-ishii · 1 year
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The potential symbolism in Mandalorian storytelling:
*POV: You're little Din who is rescued by a Mandalorian warrior*
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*POV: You're Din rescued by Bo-Katan*
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I may be late to the party with this one but I was going thru gifs when it hit me. In my previous post, I touched upon how crucial it is that Bo started mentioning and comparing Din to her father, but... It may go both ways. Din was a foundling, rescued by an unknown Death Watch member. Because of his situation and the creed, we know that he must have been adopted by the man who saved his life. And like I said earlier in the previous post, to judge Din's adopted father we have to look at Din himself. I guess everyone can come up with their own conclusions of how good of a father Din became, and I wanted to more touch on the symbolism and visual storytelling. We don't really know who the man is, except for that one rescue scene with an oddly specific frame that is meant to empathize with the feelings Din felt at that very moment. The man was his hero, an angel from the sky, a god-like creature upon him. And then again a similar, oddly specific scene is featuring Bo-Katan rescuing Din's life for the first time. I don't believe in coincidence like that. AT ALL. And the scene itself doesn't have to be romantic either BUT the symbolism itself puts Bo on a high pedestal already.
The show highlights her importance in this very moment on the same scale as a man who found Din and made a Mandalorian out of him. It could both mean, that she will become a reason for Din's change in understanding of what it really means to be a Mandalorian, or that she will be a really important figure in his life. Just like his adopted father was.
With the perspective of what we know now (I'm writing this after S03E05) it's safe to say that this guess in symbolism is already fulfilling itself. Bo-Katan became part of Din's inner circle, someone who saved his life on a few occasions, someone he trusts whit his own kid, and even took to his family/covert. But most importantly, they help each other be better Mandalorians. We will yet discover how their fates will go this season, but JFC they literally playing 4D chess with the forms of storytelling that go THRU SEASONS It's funny to see now, how the pieces come together, but it's even more impressive knowing THE HINTS WERE THERE FROM THE START. And for my fellow shippers: Do you want a slow burn? It literally started in The Heiress episode right in front of our eyes🤡
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ninjiniz · 7 months
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It's hard to believe that the first glimpse we had of the Mandalorian people in Star Wars was Boba Fett (aka the man who has one of the most ridiculous death in cinema), and that now, the story of Mandalore is the most complex and interesting in the saga and the Mandalorians are warriors as badass as they are imposing.
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bojangos · 1 year
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more fun headcanons: arla fett was the original Nite Owl and trained bo-katan and the others before her capture
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