TW TALK OF PR/SHIP AND GR//MING

Proshipping is disgusting and not okay, fiction affects reality and being an adult proshipper is just another way of self identifying as a creep

HOWEVER

13-10 YEAR OLD PROSHIPPEDS ARE IN DANGER, THEY ARE LIKELY VICTIMS, AND THEY ALMOST ALWAYS THE RESULT OF GROOMING

When I was 10 or 11 and on amino, jadebro shipper in his twenties dmed me. He asked me for a roleplay, I said sure. I was a child. He asked to do jadebro and he asked it to be nsfw. I questioned him because of the age gap. He assured me it was fine because "it was fiction" and "its just roleplay", he assured there content of it was fine. It was not fine.

Prohip enables adults to groom children and puts minors and especially very young fans at risk. Fiction affects reality.

Proshippers: "fiction doesn't affect reality!!!"

Bitch, ever heard of propaganda?

Ink has a psa for y’all

he looks wonky but that’s cuz this was weirdly rushed

If you're in a fandom of children's show, please note that you're in a children's space.

This show was designed for them and the fans are mostly their age. They're not invading your spaces, you've entered theirs. So try to keep your fanfics age appropriate and if you really can't do that keep it in a space for adults only.

And listen to children's voices, if they don't like how you're portraying children or their shows take that into account. It's always important to listen to an oppressed group about their representation and culture.

For example there's an actual problem where bronies have kind of ruined people's childhoods and exposed children to things they were not ready to see yet through their fanfics and art. Especially if the characters are children and like kids are seeing the characters they relate too, idk, fighting zombies to the death or something.

Taking a children's space and dumping 18+ content into it is not cool, they hardly have anything anyway. So just mind the boundaries, be respectful and enjoy your favorite shows.

people are going to get mad at me but pro shippers thinking fiction doesn’t affect reality is the whitest thing ever

let me explain

as a black person many people opinions about us are fueled by what was seen in books, television and movies. those portrayals of fictional stories with fictional characters had people thinking that the stereotypes about black people were true. from the mammy trope to the jezebel trope to the absent father trope. even though they were seen in fictional characters it had people believing it was ACTUALLY true. same with other races that weren’t white. so i think it’s sooo ignorant for white proshippers or proshippers in general to have that argument that fiction doesn’t affect reality even though there’s so much evidence that proves in fact…fiction DOES effect reality.

Me: Hey plz don't read this if you ship them :)

Ao3, eyes widening: you HARRASS people? you threated to kick their body like the football? oh! oh! Suspension for you! Suspension for you for One Thousand Years!

Am I the only one creeped out by the acceptance in the Pokémon fandom to crush on the literal child characters? I remember seeing a video and suddenly the guy mentions his video game crushes, and he mentions Misty and says he still crushes on her and apologises for crushing on someone slightly older, but not for Misty 😐😧🤢

No, you are not the only one anon. Many Pokémon fans (and fans of many other series where this happens) find this creepy.

I remember I was following a Youtube channel until this person posted a 'bingo' where, depending on your birthday month, you got a "waifu". But, among those "waifus" he put Misty and Himawari (Naruto's daughter). But aren't both characters canonically 10 years old?? Why is this 30+ year old man doing this?

It should be noted that the other characters he added were adult women (like Mai from Yugioh). Why is someone mixing children and adults as if both options were fine as a couple? 🤨 Perhaps the worst part was reading some comments from adult men saying 'I got Himawari, I love l_o-l-is'. Instant unfollow from my part.

people who say that we should not create or interact with problematic media lack basic understanding of how we as a society learn and analyze media. i dont mean that in a 'fiction doesnt affect reality' way, but in a 'fiction comes from reality, is shaped through us as a collective, and is a reflection of some of the deepest, truest parts of people'. if we ignore, if we condemn, if we ban media that has uncomfortable topics, we will never learn. we learn by looking at it and seeing why it is wrong. we hate by understanding it, not by just learning 'oh this thing is wrong so i have to hate it'. maybe for children who aren't ready to learn all of the deeper parts, or lack the comprehension skills to look at media critically. hate films made by bigots are awful, but banning them isn't going to fix the problem. if you don't want to watch them, you don't have to! but it's important for us to see why they were wrong. and see how that hatred spreads into our lives without us realizing it. same reason we study the holocaust (the nazis, btw, burned media that didn't agree with them. i'm not saying that people who say we should ban/hide information on topics that displease them are authoritarian right extremists but i am saying its a worrying connection). and commentaries that are about vile things happening by/to the protagonist (most of the time) are not encouraging the vile acts! if written well and written by the right people, commentaries are an insight to how these people actually think/feel, even if through prolonged allegories. we should not be crucifying some of the greatest social commentaries just because they're uncomfortable, because that is how we lose. if we do not understand, we cannot overcome! this is NOT me saying that people should just write about pedophilia, or incest, or anything of the sort just for fun. i do think that's gross at it's core, but that does not mean the writing/filming/ect is not important for us to look at as a society and go Hm. How Did This Happen?

You can objectify a character in the text. It doesn’t matter if they’re real or not.

Objectification ignores the personhood of a person and in the text, they’re treated like people. Or at least the non objectified characters are.

That’s like saying “you can’t kill a character because they were never alive”.

How are we supposed to discuss the objectification of female characters or people of color in media if people are ignoring what these words mean?

I feel like some authors are so scared of being criticised that they’re trying to actively sabotage peoples ability to critically analyse a text. I mean I know it can be stressful trying to always send the right message and have good representation but you have to be confident in the messages in your work and try your best like the rest of us-

How to you treat different characters can show how you treat different people. What you write can reflect who you are. We have to stop being scared of our own reflection.

Your books will influence how you and others see the world. Take responsibility for your power and wield it in a way that makes you proud.

More random musings but I’m starting to think the whole “fiction affects reality” is one big con game to prevent people from looking deeper and seeing/solving the real systemic and institutional issues.

Like for example the whole Jaws Effect myth where a 40+ year old movie is blamed for the death of millions of sharks a year. Spoken of so matter of factly and with the implication that before Jaws people had no thoughts or fear of sharks before then, and as if sharks weren’t hunted by the millions before Jaws was even a glimmer of an idea in the author’s head(let alone greenlit to become a movie)

People who so confidently cite “The Jaws Effect” as proof that “fiction impacts reality” never seem to ever be aware of real life events that inspired Jaws and some of it’s characters

 https://www.history.com/news/the-real-life-jaws-that-terrorized-the-jersey-shore  (most cited inspiration)

https://historydaily.org/black-december-sharks-attacks-bomb-ocean(I suspect these attacks might also have been an influence on the story)

They’re not aware of various books, news stories, and documentaries that all paint sharks as vicious predators(the term shark infested waters was around long before Jaws came around)

https://www.amazon.com/Shark-Attack-Victor-Coppleson/dp/0207153507 (first published in 1958, a supposedly scientific book that popularized the rogue shark myth central to Jaws, and convinced people to change the term of shark accident to shark attack)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXBWW7ecdzw&t=181s The shark menace

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/150-years/sd-me-150-years-june-15-htmlstory.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLd359WJZQ4 Tv spot for the non-fiction documentary Blue Water, White Death9also titled Man-eater)

Even moving away from from non-fiction creating a aura of fear and suspscion around sharks there were killer shark featured in movies before Jaws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzxeYrmyr7k 1950 movie called Killer Shark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyDGRZE6Jp0 1965 James Ball scene feature a shark pool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pEvib3iJWw (movie has multiple titles of Shark!, Caine, and Man-eater) released 1969 and a piece of gruesome trivia a stuntman was killed by a shark during the making of this movie.

So yeah people did not have a very good opinion of sharks before Jaws was created. The real kicker is that none of those things I listed are why sharks are hunted as much as they are.  Nope that’s all down to good old human greed and capitalism.

Shark and ray fishing is a multi-billion dollar industry https://fishgame.com/2021/09/shark-ray-meat-a-2-6-billion-trade/

https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/46967/100-million-dead-sharks-its-not-all-about-shark-fin-soup/ The most commonly cited reason for shark fishing in shark fin soup, but shark meat in general is sold and eaten. Cartliage from sharks is used in various supplement, and squalane(made from oil in the shark liver is used in cosmetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalane) Shark meat has even been found in pet food https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/endangered-shark-meat-might-be-hiding-in-your-pets-food-180979682/

Blaming Jaws for the death of millions of sharks every year is just a lazy way to avoid taking a long hard look at their own action/purchases and never need to question if they might possibly be fueling the demand for dead sharks.

But do the people who quote the Jaws effect as their proof and justification of “fiction effects reality” know or care about any of that. No of course not. Do they care probably not. Because at the end of the day “Fiction impacts Reality” is the same as the claim of “pro-life” from republicans. It’s a piece of leverage that they use to justify being able to tell you what to do. It’s a club to beat you over the head with. Because antis are really just the conservatives of fandom, everything they say and do is about them having power and no accountability. 

When it comes to fiction affecting reality, I think the author's intention and the type of story they're writing matter the most. For example, a story that is intended to be educational about certain topics or a fictional character that is inspired by some indigenous culture could have an impact in people's worldviews and behaviors in real life. The reason why I decided to educate myself about CSA and grooming is because of a comic with a main character who goes through these things.

And I'm not saying fiction alone should be blamed for people's ignorance regarding things such as toxic relationships, abuse or racism. Education should always be the primary source of reliable information, but fiction can be an effective eye-opener when it comes to making people actually think about real life issues.

"Fiction doesn't affect reality" ok then suck my fictional balls

Whenever I see someone rambling about how many puritans there are on Twitter or tumblr about 80% of the time I check their blog and there's either Loli/pedo shit, incest, shit about raceplay, conversion therapy kink, or actually romanticizing abuse

Adults are a demographic and children are a demographic.

Adults have privilege and more rights then children. Children are the oppressed group on this subject.

Adults who fantasize or making art about about hurting children are not doing something harmless. They are normalising and supporting violence against a minority that is already brutalised in our society.

Yikes imagine getting triggered over what people think of FICTIONAL characters. Lmao get a life and stop psycho analyzing people over what they like in fiction. If you're online, deal with it instead of complaining. First world problems 🙄

Imagine having nothing better to do than leave anon hate in some arseholes tumblr inbox.

Look here dumbass, fiction DOES reflect reality. And bad stories need to be called out and analyzed.

I'm sorry the fact that I like to use my brain and analyze media as a hobby offends you so much.

Why don't you go do something productive? Like, go chop up some wood. Then, you can use that wood and build a bridge and get over it.

huh interesting because fiction sure does seem to have an effect on your reality given how mad you get when you see a drawing of your precious waifu with darker-than-snow-white skin. i thought the only people who get upset over drawings are sensitive snowflake lib libs?? 🤔🤔