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brunoartist · 3 months
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Raven
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paiislley · 2 months
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“I’m afraid, but that doesn’t mean I can’t fight back!”
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aka-seco-svart · 4 months
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AZARATH 🇵🇱 - Saint Desecration (Official Album Stream)
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catluniscia · 2 months
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I don't think I ever drawn Raven, I know I have done collabs and colored her plenty of times. I am a huge fan of her character, I relate to her oddly enough…if you know the terror of trigon arc especially in the animated teen titans show you can get an idea how.
But like I said I never drew her, there are many good outfits she had…okay not the new 52…but no one likes the new 52. I know I made a design with my own touches, outfit is simple but can still be complex if that makes since. Also yes I decided to make her awkwardly floating…I think even if she does float around she is gonna be shrimping. I also see her more lanky, and maybe a little too thin, you know she lived a near monk like life style on azarath and you know inner demons.
I just remember when she used to have sharper features and the creators noticed her changing and used that as a plot point aka her more demonic side was trying to take over, great way to explain a change in style for her. I really love Raven.
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ravensvirginity · 3 months
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do you have any thoughts on raven and azar?
yes!!!
I think their dynamic is so unique and pivotal in making Raven who she is. Azar is both Raven's surrogate mother and the goddess she prays to. I think that creates a unique sense of loyalty, as well as makes the thought of disappointing Azar incredibly personal and horrible to Raven.
Azar, was, of course, not a very good mother figure to Raven. She took her away from her actual mother and permanently damaged their relationship so that Raven could be raised to control her emotions. She taught Raven specifically to behave and use her powers in a way that would make her more vulnerable to Trigon, because she was always planning for Trigon to take Raven over, and then for Raven to die to defeat him.
I think that Azar did have some genuine care for Raven, but had a strong "for the greater good" mentality about her. She raised Raven in the most isolating and damaging way possible, but she justified it to herself by using Raven as a sacrificial lamb that would pay for a sin that wasn't her fault.
I think it's the epitome of Azarath's philosophy. We know from Raven that they likely had the power to defeat Trigon without her, but they were so determined to stick to their pacifistic ideals that they would rather let him continue hurting countless people than use it. They would rather raise an innocent child to become evil and die to get rid of the problem than actually face it head on themselves.
I think it takes Raven a long, long time to even let herself consider that maybe the way Azar raised her wasn't right, even after her death and rebirth. If anyone else tries to bring it up to her she'll have a million excuses for why Azar did what she had to do. She still treasures the memory of Azar, and prays to her when she needs help.
I think if she ever managed to realize how bad the way she was raised really was it would be a crisis for her. She worships Azar as almost a goddess, and losing that would be so painful for Raven, even if she realizes it's the right thing to do.
I think Azar vanishing as a character in the last 20 years of comics was such a mistake!! She adds so much depth to Raven's character, and there's so much unexplored story potential with them. Azar has a bunch of little lore bits that have no elaboration: there were 2 Azars before her, and it was a matrilineal title, but the Azar Raven knew never had any children. The first Azar managed to take her congregation and completely separate from Earth, forming a society that exists between dimensions. We don't know where they came from originally, when exactly they separated, or why they felt the need to do so. There's so much story potential!!
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hardcore-lonewolf · 6 months
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#Wildbird, #Darkfang, or #BBRae?
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pinkiestmeatpie · 6 days
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I’d be tired of raven too
(AWSOME TTG AU: Its All About Me)
-lmao guess what
-what?
-I MADE THE AU
-holy shit
(ttg is dead and everyone hates it but some people don’t care,like me!!!1!1!!1!1!)
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loloalin · 1 year
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Raven Analysis (Part 2)
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Note: Link to my previous post
Moving on, we see Azar train young Raven to submerge her emotions, so much so she is barely allowed to even see and develop a relationship with her mother, despite her mother wanting to be there. Here is where a lot of the tragedy about Raven's character comes in for me.
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Understandably, Azarathians are trying to save the Earth and take responsibility for Raven without killing her...but uhh...they are. They've been killing her since birth. In order to save the lives of others, Raven has been deprived in so many ways of a life of her own.
Her biological mother may as well be a stranger. The closest thing she has to a parent besides Arella is a goddess who has taught her to not experience or feel anything, but INSTEAD, take OTHER PEOPLE'S BURDENS ON AS HER OWN AND HEAL THEM WHILE NEVER BEING AFFORDED THE SAME GRACE.
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Again, the question is raised, should Raven live like this? Should she feel guilt over what she is naturally and is this truly the right way to nurture her power if we accept that she's capable of good? We know that Raven is a hero, but is her transformation into becoming a hero a good one? Are the Azarathians truly acting noble here in essentially forcing and gradually killing the life of a child who didn't ask to be here, whose mother didn't ask to be saved? Raven is literally a sacrificial lamb!
So imma speed things up to get to the really good stuff. Azar passes her teaching duties to Arella and to her credit, tells Arella not to fear or shun Raven. But uh...Arella does fear her at times. And they still have a shitty ass practically nonexistent relationship..again, that will impact Raven greatly.
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Thankfully, Arella's motherly instinct and understanding shows up when Raven starts to have nightmares of Trigon (who she hasn't met yet aside from when he saved her as an infant). The time for truth has arrived...and lemme tell you SO MUCH IS ANSWERED
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These people, these humans who have deprived Raven of knowing what life means, made her into a self-sacrificing being, burdened her with so much pain and disallowed her from releasing it...are the same ones responsible for her and her father's creation.
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Their selfishness, cowardice, lack of accountability in facing THEIR OWN EVIL led to the growth and birth of a greater, stronger one. Look at Azar's own words when she is in Raven: "I expunged the darkness in their souls, KNOWING ALL TOO WELL THAT ALL EVIL FINDS ITS WAY TO YOU "
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Azar knew. They knew. And they were content in having their own peaceful realm knowing they set the path for an unfathomable evil to form and wreak havoc. It's sick. And it shows that not only is Raven's struggle a theme of good vs evil...it is also a struggle of humanity vsaccountability. She is burdened by the evils of demons AND humans alike. The fear that humans have for her is a projection of the fear they have for themselves, the fear we have for ourselves of what we're capable of accomplishing at our most depraved states.
The hatred we have towards demons/satanic beings...which on a lower level are the monstrous parts of ourselves we don't want to face or accept. Not all of us of course, I'm just speaking generally. NE Ways tho, Raven, someone who didn't HAVE TO BE here, now has to deal with all of this because humans say so. Should she feel guilty? Should she feel responsible for them? Consider Trigon. He's as evil as evil gets...we all know this. He's destroyed universes upon universes with no remorse, just because he felt like it.
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But is he 'wrong' to do that? The demon has been alive for a long enough time to know how he originated. To know WHO is responsible for his creation. When he finally meets Raven, he tells her straight up what she has always partly felt no matter how hard she tried to control it, she knows that they hated her.
Not all Azarathians, again, but she knows that many did. That many feared her. And she's hated them in return...taking her life away from her and having the audacity to hate her all the same while, THEORETICALLY, she shouldn't even pity them. And Trigon has chosen not to. He has chosen to make the most of what nature gave to him....one could say that he doesn't just represent evil, but also KARMA.
But again...we have the question of choice. CHOICE. Trigon is the sum of all great evils, but now we know, that both his and Raven's evil has a very human side to it. It would be incredibly hard, draining to do it no doubt, but this suggests that Trigon COULD have chosen to face that evil, and in facing it, decided to do better, to be better, to transform himself and put SOME of his great, dark powers to good use. He didn't. But you know who can? You know who decides to, and thus makes her so greatly heroic? Raven.
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Despite proclaiming herself Trigon's daughter, manifesting that great power, knowing what she is capable of and knowing she is carrying the burden of humanity's sins, she constantly makes the choice to fight for them.
She sees the true potential in humanity, against all odds, to be great, to be FORGIVEN, to be worthy of her sacrifices. No doubt she's been heavily influenced by Azarathians to hold humans on a pedestal, and it would take years and years to undo that training, but she still has a choice to make in all of this on whether she wants to CONTINUE fighting for humans. She does, and this origin shows how noble of a being she is to do that in spite of all she's faced and the limited 'life' she lives as a consequence.
Kind of random, and no disrespect to Christians, but I find Raven to be an Anti-Christ while Christ-like at the same time...and I wonder if Marv did that intentionally. She's the daughter of a Satan-like who is meant to wreak evil on the universe (obviously Anti-Christlike). But, like Jesus, feels the burden of humanity's sins, chooses to continue carrying the guilt and weight of it despite having the option not to, and ends up sacrificing herself (both figuratively and literally) for their sins. Just a cool connection I made.
So, in conclusion, Raven is a symbol not just for darkness and destruction, but also hope, fighting against all odds, transformation, and redemption. Her origin and the way it sets up the complexity of her character is magnificent, much respect to Marv. I've said it over and over and I'll say it again, I wish more writers understood this about her character and understood how many different ways she can developed to reach her full potential, not just as a literal powerhouse, but a figurative one too. I don't think there is any other comic character, who could redefine the meaning of evil and reshape or...fuck that, create a new multiverse with this knowledge the way she can. There's a world of stories to be told about her realizing her ability to be heroic for countless, different kinds of beings. Anyways, that's all. If you have thoughts let me know, and once again, thanks for reading.
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linkspooky · 1 year
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Really liked your top Teen Titans ship post. That Harley/Batman one has me all kinds of intrigued and you are more than right on Dickkory. But. I gotta know. How in the world are Terra and Raven the same character??? I've been puzzling over this for like half an hour and I know it's gonna drive me crazy. 😂 Thanks.
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They are the same person, this is the hill I'll die on. I understand why you can't really see how they are the same character, because their relationship is literally all just subtext. SO basically text is what's written and directly stated, subtext is what you as the reader infer it's interpretation. Reader interpretation is really important though, and good comic book stories will build on subtext that's originally present in the stories intentional or not and add to it. The Harley and Ivy gay relationship started out as subtext, it's text now, stories change over time etc. etc.
Comic books are also an adaptive medium, cartoons make adaptations of these comics based on the show creators interpretation, then those adaptations are sometimes cycled back into the comics too. I mean, there's a reason that there are two Judas Contract interpretations Teen Titans 2003, and the solo Judas Contract movie and Terra has big interactions with Raven in both.
ANYWAY, Terra and Raven are the same person in different fonts explanation underneath the cut!
In the original comic, Terra and Raven's relationship does not have nearly as much interaction as in the cartoon adaptations. However, there is something there. It is basically this, Raven is the only one who notices that something's off with Terra, because her empathic senses detect the isolation and emptiness inside of Terra. Raven points this out several times to Terra and other people, avoids Terra when the rest of the group welcomes her, in, later on Terra wants to take on Raven herself because she sees her as self-righteous and stuck up.
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This is why I say subtext, when you read between the lines and look at both characters they actually are incredibly similar.
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They are both bastards, in the sense they are unwanted children conceived out of wedlock that their parents didn't try to raise and handed off to someone else. Terra is half-princess, her life is controlled by the fact she's connected to the Markovian bloodline, but they're ashamed of her and don't want her around (all except for Brion).
Capes on the Couch's Terra Episode, does a good job on how a child basically being punished by the decisions of their parents they had no control over can both hurt their developmental years, and also due major damage to their self esteem. It's a horrible thing to teach a child they are basically unwanted when they're not the ones who made the decision to be born into this world.
Neither Terra or Raven wanted to be born, and yet they are essentially punished their entire childhood for this fact, either by neglect by Terra (the royal family only wanted her around to experiment on her then sent her back to America when her behavior shamed them and they found her unsavory) or Raven who like had no choice in being born and yet the society she was raised in told her she was an innately an evil person (when she was like five) her emotions were evil and if she didn't continually fight against them she would be exactly like her father. Raven's mother joined a cult and tried to marry Satan, Terra's mom decided to have an affair with a king, however they both take no responsibility, hand their kids off and it's Terra and Raven who have to deal with this. Terra and Raven basically also never had parents or a childhood. Terra's sixteen and she acts like both more mature than everyone around her, and a miniature adult, and she's convinced she's this cunning manipulative mastermind and I'm like hmm I wonder if that's a survival mechanism because no one ever bothered to raise her and she had to take care of herself.
They both are born with powers they don't want
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Terra has incredible powers to move the earth that are hard for her to control, and in several continuities literally result in her death when she loses control and drops the entire earth on herself and crushes herself. Raven was born the daughter of a demon and the only way she was taught to control her emotions was to suppress them entirely.
They are both given these huge powers that they didn't really ask for, and those powers changed the course of their lives. If Terra didn't have geokinesis, she'd probably just be a slgihtly unstable runaway kid and not a mercenary. Raven's entire life is defined by trying to control her powers and use them for good.
So, then the difference between them is that Raven decided to use her powers for good, and Terra made the selfish decision to use her powers above herself. Raven is a better person because she rose above her circumstances, instead of just using her circumstances as an excuse to hurt others. Au contraire, mon friend.
Repression / Expression, Selfish / Selfless, and the Dark Phoenix
A huge part of Raven's character arc that almost everyone ignores is that Raven was heavily abused, not by her father, but by the monks of Azarath. Raven was raised in a cult. Raising a child far away from other people, not allowing them regular interaction with other children, not letting them be with their mother, and most of all TEACHING THEM THEY ARE INTERNALLY EVIL is not good parenting my dudes.
It's not so much Terra chose to be evil, Raven chose to be good, as Raven has literally been brainwashed by a cult to believe if she is even a little bit selfish, if she expresses any negative emotion at all, then she's exactly like her father and evil. If you've ever read Bungo Stray Dogs, I compare Raven to Atsushi a lot.
Basically, in Bungo Stray Dogs Atsushi is an orphaned character who has the ability to turn into a Tiger. An ability that he cannot control, an ability that went out of control and murdered a man when he was young. His caretaker covers up for the murder, and tries to teach him to control that power but in the worst way possible. He isolates Atsushi, keeps him in a cage to punish him when he loses control, and he ends up teaching Atsushi if he doesn't use his power to protect others, then he's worthless.
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It's not even that Atsushi wants to be a hero, it's that he has to be a hero otherwise he doesn't even deserve to live. Atsushi is incredibly dysfuctional because of this, he has black and white thinking that he applies to himself, he can't forgive hinmself, he has to be a completely selfless doormat because selfish people are EVIL! Atsushi has literally no identity outside of being superhero.
That's something a lot of people miss with Raven's character, she tries to fit in with literally having any kind of life outside of being a superhero and she always fails, because that is what Azarath taught her two "A person incapable of protecting others does not deserve to live" she doesn't deserve to be a normal person because she has to continually atone for being trigon's daughter. She's fundamentally born evil and must continue to work to prove she is not.
The real difference between Raven and Terra is that Raven represses herself to extreme extents to try to be a hero like the people around her to expect her to be, whereas Terra externalizes all of her trauma.
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Terra LOATHES the expectation that she has to use her powers to help others, she thinks being a hero is STUPID AND DUMB. SHe chafes so much under a good girl image that she decides to embrace a villainous one instead, because that at least feels liberating to her.
If Terra were in Marvel instead of DC she would be working with Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Her powers have basically ruined her whole life and made her different from others, but it's also literally the only thing she has because everything else in her life is unstable, and by the time she gets with the titans she can't trust anyone. The royal family essentially tried the same brainwashing on Terra, because they only gave her her powers to be in service to them and make her a hero, and Terra said FUCK IT and decided to be NOT THAT. Raven formed her identity by repressing herself and trying to serve everyone's expectations, Terra's identity is expressed and she makes herself in defiance of what everyone expects her to be.
Now, now, now you say, well Raven still tried to be better than her father. However, this ignores once again that Raven's repression is not healthy, and just like Terra, she also turns evil fifteen squintillion times. Now this is where we get to the difference between text and subtext again. In the text Raven never chooses to turn evil, her father takes control of her body and makes her, or she gets possessed like when she ruined Kory and Dick's raven. Subtextually though, Raven is pulling a dark phoenix arc.
This is where we briefly touch upon something in another comic as an example DARK PHOENIX ARC, if you've read the X-Men comics is literally the most famous X-Men arc of all time.
The gist is that Jean Gray, a character who was until this point one of the most token good girl of good girl characters has an incredibly strong and hard to control power called the "Phoenix" that is repressed inside of her own head to try to keep under control. Jean Gray represses herself, limits her agency, and pushes her power away instead of trying to control it. However, the Hellfire Club ends up interfering with Jean and unelashing this suppressed power. THe power in its totality overwhelms Jean, and destroys her original identity and she renames herself "Dark Phoenix" and all of the powers she was repressing now come to the forefront, she becomes a force of destruction through the completely unrestrained use of her power.
Raven and Jean Gray share a lot in common, it's not particualrly subtle, however the point of the Dark Phoenix is that Jean Gray is that she could have learned to control her power and grown into her womanhood, and instead she never tried to work with her power sealed it to the back of her head, until she couldn't anymore. That's the thing about repression it's unheathly.
To give another example on why repression is BAD. Have you ever seen the movie Carrie? An incredibly similiar arc, a girl who was horribly abused not only by her religious mother, but also the people in the school around her suddenly develops a psychic power. In isolation, Carrie grows more and more unstable but is still trying to be a normal girl and get along with everyone. She eventually reaches her breaking point when the blood is dropped on her prom dress and from that point onward, Carrie completely snaps and decides to burn down the prom gym and rampage on the town.
All three of these characters are Carrie to a different extent, Raven wasn't taught to be herself just to suppress herself because she's evil deep down inside, Jean Gray was too afraid of her power so she sealed it away inside her own mind, Carrie was continually taught by her religious nut mother she was fundamentally evil and was not allowed to be a normal girl and was isolated in her highschool. They repress, they repress, they repress until they can't anymore and then they explode. Terra is just like, same superpowers, same isolation from other people, she just skips the repression phase and goes straight to the explosion. Though, you could argue that Terra continually living under the false identity as a hero IS her repression. Terra pretending to be a generic good girl hero not only makes it so the Teen Titans can't reach her in time, but living under a false identity for so long just makes her LOATHE the Teen Titans more.
Terra and Raven are the same person in that both their childhood / formative years, and their sense of self was destroyed by both the cicrumstances they were born under, and the powers they were born with, neither of these things they chose for themselves. They are both reacting to the abuse they suffered throughout their developmental years, Raven's coping mechanism is to be completely selfless, Terra doubles down on her selfishness. At the same time, this is horribly unhealthy for both of them, they both snap because neither of them know how to live as people in any healthy way. Terra's mystique, Raven is Carrie on Prom Night, neither of them are having a fun time.
The biggest thing they have in common though is they are both lonely little girls. I think something a lot of people don't understand about Raven's character because they're more familiar with the cartoon version than NTT is that Raven was not a team player. Raven, for the vast majority of the comic kept entirely to herself, showed up to say something ominious, teleported away. Raven is horribly isolated, doesn't really form emotional connections to people, and convinces herself that other people don't care about her.
You have one girl who only ever engages people through a fake persona, nobody on the team ever knows the real Terra, she sees every relationship as a transaction of a manipulation, when people try to show her concern or empathy she can't see that because she assumes they're looking down on her.
You have another girl who's teammates just don't get, and who basically interacts with all other humans as a space alien, because she was raised so far outside of society and she doesn't believe she deserves to have relationships with people in the first place. The second Terror of Trigon happens in the first place, because Raven has been getting more and more isolated and struggled with her father's powers and no one on the team notices because no one pays attention to Raven and when they try to she brushes them off.
You have two girls, one of them is always at the center of attention, the other one is always off in some dark corner and both of them are equally lonely and that's the greatest thing they have in common. I
If you're more curious on my take about the Terra and Raven foiling, I am writing a fanfic where Terra and Raven are the two main characters, here!
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badbinx666 · 2 months
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No one goes into my room... without me
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bluethepineapples1 · 1 year
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Musings on Raven, Azarath, and the Rejection of Evil
Azarath's treatment of Raven is very interesting in New Teen Titans in that essentially, Raven is both their attempt at penance but also a repetition of the cycle that composed of their mistakes in the first place.
Trigon came to be through Azarath's denial and rejection of their evil. He is the personification of the evil in Azarath and it is why he haunts them. Raven is a similar personification of evil. She is very much a part of who Trigon is, and her siring is in many ways the fault of Azarath. But where Trigon was the evil they rejected, they gave Raven a home. They let her in their borders and let her live instead of casting her out or killing her. They kept Raven with them and nurtured her. Where Trigon was evil denied and rejected, Raven is evil accepted and reformed.
But Azarath's cycle is only half-broken. While it is true that they housed and raised Raven, they still kept her separate from the rest of them. Even as she exists in Azarath, Raven is someone who is still very much rejected and kept away from the wider community (like Trigon when he was first cast out). Worse still, Azarath had identified the "source" of the evil in her - her emotions as Trigon's gateway - and proceeded to train her such that she effectively denies and rejects these emotions too.
They raised her in a perpetual state of alienation. She is alienated from her mother, alienated from her peers, alienated from her own emotions.
Alienation and separateness are such strong themes between Raven and Azarath for these reasons. And this is why it is so important that Trigon's defeat was two-fold. First that Raven does succumb into the evil thus ending her alienation from her emotions. And second, that Azarath inhabits Raven's body and channels their power through her. The Azarathians are finally embodying the evil they rejected.
In these ways, the alienation and rejection of evil that birthed Trigon is reversed and it is through this connection and embodiment that he is defeated.
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tzigone · 7 months
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Shower thought - I wonder what grocery shopping was like on Azarath?
Just no idea. We don't see any of "normal life" there. Heck, we don't see much of that sort of life on Themyscria, from what I recall, and we've seen way more of it.
Still, I don't have any idea of societal structure, educational systems, employment options, housing types, etc. on Azarath, and was just thinking about how Raven felt about her mother's home planet - in what ways the same and different.
They chose, understandably, not to go the fish-out-of-water route with Raven and Kory (I know we had the college thing, but that's not quite the same). Plus we basically skipped their first month since we had the montage with Vic and his dad. And Raven had been bouncing around a bit before that.
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Raven in the Tales of the Titans #2 variant cover by Christian Ward
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jackdoe · 9 months
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This is kind of a weird one but,
Headcanon: the faith of Azarath is an offshoot of Manichaeism. It is dualistic, like its parent religion with several key differences and practices. The major of which is that Azarists recognize the existence of 7 prophets rather than 4, the latest of which is ofcourse Azar. There is only one practicing Azarist left (Raven) yet Azarist scripture has been found all across Eurasia.
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ravensvirginity · 8 months
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does anyone else think letting Trigon's bride stay with us was a bad idea??? :/ we worked so hard to preserve our peace here and we're just letting something evil come live here... like ok. lol.
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🌌chaste-devotion Follow
not cool man
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🕊️coman-official Follow
i told you in dms already that the high council has made their decision.
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to everyone sending me anonymous disagreement over this post: i didn't know azar already gave arella an account, okay?? honest mistake. i just don't want trigon to kill us all. didn't know that makes me a misogynist :/
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🦸‍♀️funnymonkman Follow
Do you miss the color of the sky?
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Which one?
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🌌chaste-devotion Follow
come on man
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📘juris-official Follow
i suggest you go meditate. the evil nature of this post greatly concerns me.
#I knew taking in Trigon's daughter was a bad idea :/
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🦢azarslight Follow
just saw juris walk past holding raven. called it when i said the innocence of a baby would win him over
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🌌chaste-devotion Follow
ummm why's he headed to the great door lol
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🦢azarslight Follow
HES WHAT???
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um.
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anyone else think that azar's looking kind of sick lately? i think it's probably from tutoring trigon's brat :/
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🌌chaste-devotion Follow
that's kind of going too far don't you think??? for azar's sake she's just a child
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🕊️coman-official Follow
Once we find OP they will be excommunicated.
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🌾peaceful-contemplation Follow
MICE ATE THE GRAIN AGAIN... azar protect us this winter
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should I tell Raven what periods are before I die :/
yes 0.01%
no 99.9%
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WHERES MY DAUGHTER ::'( >::(
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macabrecabra · 3 days
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Giv Blorbo fact? Any blorbo...any fact...
Ohhhh! Let's see..... Azarath has a habit of always covering his mouth when in public or when he is talking to people. It is a subconscious habit and he doesn't realize he does it unless people point it out.
It is a habit from growing up and people pointing out how sharp his teeth were/abnormal they looked to his home culture. He still is extremely self conscious and it plays into his trauma as well that he is the only survivor of his entire family that were wiped out for being "impure blood"... his teeth always a reminder that his lineage was mixed with something wrong.
Now he is doubly self-conscious because of the vampirism disease he has. He just really has a subconscious tick to cover it that is a super hard habit to break...
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