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nartml · 8 months

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Your misogyny is showing. Get your shit together

(First and last time I'll ever bother with such a rude ask, but I'll use this oh so sugary sweet statement to get some things out the way )

CW: Rant ahead, not Sakura or Hinata friendly, if you disagree and won't be nice about sharing your opinions fucking DNI, this isn't for you.

My misogyny 💀

Because I don't like Sakura and Hinata, I assume? Why is it always misogyny's fault with y'all?

Respectfully, I don't really care about Sakura and Hinata. I'm mostly indifferent to them, but they're fun to criticize, considering there's so many flaws to talk about.

Maybe I was harsh with my words when respectively bashing them, but what I said still objectively stands. Sometimes, not liking a female character has less to do with misogyny and more to do with the fact that they're really, really not that good.

But alas, I sincerely apologize for my just so disgustingly misogynistic words (in case you don't get it, I'm being 100% sarcastic)

In a bit less harsh, more analytical manner, allow me to rephrase:

Sakura is someone who doesn't fit in the Shinobi world. She's too delusional about her romantic fantasies regarding Sasuke to be able to properly advance in such a harsh environment. And Hinata, with or without her infatuation with Naruto, is an incapable kunoichi. She's far too timid and hesitant to be a warrior.

Now, those are not necessarily bad things. Not having what it takes to be a Shinobi can easily be considered positive; be it because you're a hopeless romantic and that hinders your ability to maximize your potential or because you just don't have the spine or endurance necessary to be a badass ninja. Those aren't reasons to violently hate on someone. Specifically about Sakura and Hinata, those aren't even the reasons why so many people dislike them.

Or at least I hope not. I'd understand the point of your ask better if I had said anything derogatory about their appearance, for example. Those types of haters are annoying, and I manage to turn into both Sakura and Hinata's biggest defenders the moment someone says shit that degrades Sakura for her chest or some other bs, and/or fetishizes Hinata in any way. Rest assured, I'm anything but misogynistic.

But oh shit, it's time we realized that Sakura's "feelings" for Sasuke were simply a shallow school girl crush. And that would've been okay, understandable, maybe even a little cute, if it weren't for the way she constantly pushed herself onto him, consistently referred to him as hers in her head, saw him as a trophy, a blank canvas to project her fantasies onto. She was disrespectful, and her confessions were sickening.

Because how dare you compare your loneliness to that of a genocide survivor? How could you make your supposed love's pain all about you? How could you be so ready to abandon your friends, family, life, and future just to follow him to someone who you know would cause him harm, when you so clearly don't even know or understand him? How could you try to minimize everything he went through, try to diminish all he's suffered in the name of "laughing and having fun like the good old times"? "What about me, Sasuke? I'll be in so much pain if you leave. Please, if there's even a small part of you that cares about me, stay". "I can't get close to you, I can't exchange blows with you, I can only whine and beg, it's pretty pathetic. There's nothing I can do for you".

These are all things she's said and/or done paraphrased. There's so much more I don't care to recall. And they're all very annoying.

Her sole motivation was Sasuke; he's the reason she talks about how she'll get stronger to catch up to him and Naruto, about how she wants to "save" him, or "protect" him, about how she wants to be able to "fight for herself next time".

But she never managed to really do any of it, because it was all so surface level. Her aspirations for life began and ended with Sasuke, a guy she ultimately doesn't know a single thing about. That's objectively pathetic.

I don't like her because of the way she treats Sasuke, because of the way she views him, because of the way she's so pretentious about her "undying love" for him.

I don't like anti-sasusakus who come at it from a "Sakura deserves better" perspective, because she got exactly what she asked for; now she even gets to parade around wearing that Uchiha crest like the trophy it is to her, while having done nothing to earn it!!!

But.

Honestly? They're not exactly wrong. Maybe she doesn't deserve better. But her character would, at least if Kishimoto even wanted to write that story.

What do I mean by that? I mean that Sakura, as a main character, does not benefit from her feelings for Sasuke. It's not that Sasuke isn't good for her, it's that her "feelings" for him aren't.

I'll use Naruto as a comparison. His feelings for Sasuke [No, I don't care how you interpret their relationship. If you want, they can be platonic feelings or familial feelings (you'd be wrong but who am I to judge), or romantic feelings] actually serve as his basis for self improvement.

Usually, in media, love is something that drives characters to be better.

Naruto's love for Sasuke is his greatest strength.

Naruto kept getting stronger, with Sasuke as his motivator. Naruto kept trying to understand him, to see things from his perspective, never held any sort of idealistic "Sasuke would never do that" train of thought.

Naruto got to better understand the injustice of the system through Sasuke and his love for him. Naruto initially fought to bring him back to Konoha, not because he wanted to play house with him, or because he wanted Sasuke to cater to Konoha's every whim, but because in Naruto's mind, Konoha is home and it's safe, away from Orochimaru's dirty hands.

But then once he finally understood Sasuke better, once they fought and he carried Sasuke's burdensome hatred with him, he let him go. He let him travel, leave Konoha, without ever asking for him to stay, because he gets it (Unlike Sakura, who still didn't get it, and did the exact opposite)

In Sakura's case, however, her "feelings" for Sasuke hold her back. Though that's a bit of conundrum, seeing as any sort of achievements she's made are directly linked back to her crush. Like I said before, he's her motive. No, it's specifically the shallowness of her love, the half-heartedness in her convictions to improve that holds her back. Her "feelings" aren't as genuine as she –or any of you– likes to think they are, and that keeps her from growing, from seeing clearly (i.e: in the long run, they hold her back)

They're proof of her superficiality. She's too caught up in romanticizing the absolute shit out of Sasuke, too caught up in using him to live out her fairytale dreams, too caught up in asking others to bring him back to her, or whatever. She's too caught up in whether Sasuke looks at her or worries about her to fight properly. And I mean "fight" both literally and metaphorically here.

So yeah, her "feelings" for him aren't good for her. It would've been a much better character arc, in my opinion, something that could be actually empowering that would give her depth, if she had ended up with Lee instead.

Because Lee is the exact opposite of Sasuke, in the sense that he's ugly in Sakura's eyes (I'll state here that I don't think Lee is ugly, bushy brows and all, he's very pretty to me), and so to end up with him, well. That would require Sakura to see past physical appearance.

Sakura tends to be very judgemental of other people's looks, and the way she treats them is often correlated to how beautiful she finds them.

But falling for Lee would've been a great way for her to move past the cover and read the book. Something which could then translate to her being less insensitive and judgy from then on.

[Sakura fans love to point out that she might say rude stuff, but then she regrets it, so it's okay! To that I say, it hardly matters that you regret something you say and promise that you'll be better, if you're just going to repeat the process the next day]

That said, she didn't even have to end up with anyone. She could've remained single, after realizing how wrong she was about Sasuke. She could've stopped pining after him, and gotten herself a goal that is bigger than just ending up with him.

But that's not who she is. That's actually, an entirely different character. That's not how Kishimoto wrote her, and criticizing him because of that is stupid. He knew what and why he was doing it, and the narrative some of you adopt, the one that goes "no, I'm better than so-and-so, this character should've been that way instead", is exhausting.

Sakura fans never represent her how she canonically is. Truly, 100%, the way she's depicted in the show. They nitpick which parts of her they like, and ignore the rest. You guys love the version of her that isn't shallow, that understands Sasuke, that is assertive, that is 3-dimensional; a person whose hard work actually comes to mean something, who is much more genuine about her love for Sasuke, who is by all means an independent badass. The Sakura who is selfless and understanding and a go-getter badass. And that's okay, I guess. But at least admit it.

It's always an outsider commenting on how "she's better than Tsunade" because they saw her punch one time, or "her feelings for you have matured" (something cancelled out entirely by Sakura later). It's always "I've caught up to them" after something that amounts to nothing significant. We're told she's great. We've yet to see it for ourselves, outside of those five? Six maybe? Eight is my being generous. Truly iconic scenes that she has in the entirety of the manga.

I stand by my closing line on her post.

She's foolish, and too caught up in her own romantic, fantasy world to substantially thrive in a reality as cold-blooded as the one she was born in.

And that's all she'll ever be.

As for my girl Hinata. I absolutely stand by everything I said on that post. Not taking a single word back. Maybe Sakura has a few redeeming qualities; like I said, you could explore her character outside of her crush on Sasuke and make a true badass out of her. (While still acknowledging the fact that that's not who Kishimoto wrote her to be)

But Hinata? There's no character to explore. Period. She's nice. Sweet. Kind, maybe? Sweet. Did I mention nice? I should probably not forget to say that she's sweet. Let's not omit that she's privileged and doesn't care one bit that her family is a-okay with slavery!! OH, and she can cook well. She also has those big boobs. And all her symbolism with Naruto was ripped off sns, coincidentally.

She's very passively likable, and the definition of forgettable. Like it or not.

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As for me, I should make it clear here and now that I am no misogynist. I like to think of myself as a very passionate intersectional feminist, who gives credit where it's due.

These two ladies? They don't deserve the aforementioned credit.

Have a great day 💞

#anti sakura fandom #anti ss #anti the last #sns #anti hinata #anti sakura haruno #anti sasusaku #anti naruhina #anti nh #naruto ramblings #my stuff #y'all need to get yourselves some of those shiny critical thinking skills #they're very useful #respectfully fuck off 💕💕#long post #pro sasuke #pro sasuke uchiha #anon #my anti ss agenda

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angorwhosebabyisthis · 3 months

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on the one hand i'm like, i know there are some pretty obvious reasons Powerful Cosmic Big Good Beings(tm) in fiction tend to in fact be some of the worst bastards in a series, and my sentiment toward them ends up being I'm Going to Fucking Fight You Actually.

namely: they usually have enough power to do some absolutely horrific stuff--through action, inaction, or both--on a massive scale. like full-on 'pokemon villain you have to stop from causing the apocalypse at the climax of the game, because they've decided they have the right to make that call and have gotten their hands on the means to do it.' and often the call that the Big Good makes is portrayed as the right, justified, well-informed thing, which inevitably ends up revealing some pretty disturbing beliefs on the part of the creators.

often they mean well and just haven't thought it through, but a lot of people are operating on some real pokemon villain shit that they haven't questioned yet because it hasn't come up in a context extreme enough to follow to its logical conclusion. 'if you could press a button to kill every trauma survivor in the world to end their suffering, would you?' is not a situation most people will ever be in, and put in those terms they might realize how monstrous that would be and say no. but they might have the philosophy in the back of their head somewhere, influencing their beliefs and interactions with the world, that survivors would be better off dead than traumatized but alive, and that someone else could ever have the right to make that decision for them.

speaking of which. a major reason i have mixed feelings about the ending of sdmi is that the new 'happy' timeline is portrayed with a deep, creeping sense of loss and unease, which seems intentional; otherwise it would just be incredibly upsetting and i would straight up hate it with a passion. whereas i am REALLY bothered by the fact that the nova entity is treated as a kind, benevolent guiding force to lead the heroes where they need to go, and not the single most evil motherfucker in the show surpassed only by the nibiru entity.

she directly, intentionally orchestrated the genocide of an entire timeline, up to and including literally erasing them from existence. she manipulated a bunch of children into doing this without telling them what would happen. the gang are the sole survivors of the murder of every single person they ever knew, and they will have to live the rest of their lives knowing the nova entity used their hands to do it. the only real way she was 'better' than the nibiru entity here was that she decided to cleanse the world with fire so she could make some new people to be happy, instead of ending the possibility for happy people to exist ever again.

like. the nova entity would actually make a fantastic villain played as a foil to the nibiru entity. god damn.

eldritch cosmic Big Good characters are usually treated as some kind of, like, force of nature that arbitrates what the ideal world would look like, and maybe just needs some help from the heroes to make it happen. at worst, they're treated as being too eldritch and above the understanding of mortals, mutual or otherwise, to be held accountable for the decisions that they make. at worst in that case, the heroes are frustrated with them for not being much help, but then things just move along and that stops being considered a Relevant Issue to Address. maybe, maybe the results of those actions are treated as a bad thing, but the person actually responsible gets off squeaky clean.

the consequences of the noventity ending the world are unnerving and bittersweet at best, and the uncomfortable question is left in the air of whether the gang might have done things differently knowing this would be the outcome. the noventity herself is a benevolent hero who saved them all in the end.

and like. that's not how it works. if you're a person making decisions, you are a person making decisions. you are accountable for those decisions. there are a lot of really, really interesting stories to be told exploring the nature of that dynamic with '''higher''' beings who really are working on a different scale than us--with maybe a genuinely deeper understanding of a lot that's going on in the world, just from time, experience, and capacity to hold and process information--and still don't get to decide what's best for us.

i am both fascinated by the potential for stories like that and really frustrated by the way they're handled in fiction, and the way that plays out tends to treat them as Not Actually People and therefore Not Actually Characters, which means it's easy for them and the bullshit they do to blend into the narrative unless you deliberately stop and turn the spotlight on them. so i do.

on the other hand, it is really funny to me that in practice this means my response to Big Good Entity characters is consistently just

#sdmi #scooby doo: mystery incorporated #sdmi nibiru entity #sdmi nova entity #genocide cw #anti survivor cw #SDMItag #on the flipside i also really enjoy taking characters who are supposed to be Mindless Eldritch Single-Minded Incarnations of Pure Evil #and being like no i think you are a Rancid Guy (gender neutral) using that as a cover for being Rancid #what's up with that. bring me my microscope #but this post is long enough already so that's for another time #long post #SDMIcrit tag #also including #LL tag #LL entity #LL crit tag #because it is very much relevant to that too #me hauling the lorien entity and the nova entity by the ear: GET BACK HERE

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juniperhillpatient · 2 years

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Can you explain to me how it is that Zuko and Jet are foils for each other?

Thank you so much for choosing to ask me, I love rambling about Avatar so much 💖

Hmm, I'm not necessarily sold that Zuko & Jet are truly character foils. It's possible I said that they were in the past, but I don't remember saying it. Having thought about it just now, I think I would say that they're more like characters who have a lot in common. TLDR: Zuko & Jet are very important to one another's character arcs & they have certain parallels, but I would not say they are narrative foils.

Character foils are characters that exist to completely contrast another, & sometimes to show what their foil could be under different circumstances. For example, Katara & Azula are fairly clear-cut (in my opinion) foils. Prodigy benders with less naturally talented older brothers & distant father figures & missing mother figures. The key difference is that Katara got the love & affection Azula never got while Azula got the privilege & opportunities for training Katara never got. Also, their personalities are pretty much opposite with Katara being warmhearted, compassionate, & idealistic & Azula being cold, calculating, & pragmatic (not to even get into what they represent to one another as opposing elements & on opposing ends of the war because already I'm making a question about Zuko & Jet about Azula & Katara lol)

Zuko & Jet don't exactly have that clear-cut character foil relationship, although they are important narratively to each other & they do have parallels. Zuko is a banished prince searching for redemption & honor in his father's eyes. Jet is an orphaned rebel seeking revenge for the loss of his family & his people as well as caring for other orphans. I don't actually see anything with their backgrounds to represent the whole "in another life this could be you" thing. & aside from Jet being charismatic & Zuko being awkward, their similarly violent & angry outlooks on life are too similar for them to contrast one another in that way.

If you ask me, Aang is Zuko's foil. "But Rose, you just said that Jet didn't have enough similarities with his background to Zuko, how does Aang?" Hear me out. The entire narrative of the show focuses from day one on the contrasting values & personalities of Zuko & Aang. Zuko is angry & brash. Aang is soft & kind & carefree. That's to not even get into the fact that Zuko is fire & Aang is air & that Zuko represents the Fire Nation & Aang as a sole genocide survivor represents the harm the Fire Nation has done.

"The Storm" (one of my absolute favorite episodes) is where we really see it drilled in that Zuko & Aang's fates are intertwined & that their stories are connected as more than just enemies. We see in flashbacks as Aang, scared & overwhelmed, runs away from his duty to the world. Meanwhile, we also learn the story of how Zuko was banished. These stories are presented to the audience directly as parallels, showing that the two aren't so different after all. & before anyway says "but they don't show what the other could be in another life" to be clear, I said that could be the role of a foil. But also a foil can just highlight certain traits in a character & contrast their values with another (which - that's Zuko & Aang's entire story even when they reconcile they can't agree on things like murder & revenge)

We also get our first hint in "The Storm" that Zuko can reconcile with his foil & become a more peaceful, better person in both the information that Zuko was burned & banished for wanting to protect innocent lives & Zuko's decision to prioritize his crew's safety over capturing Aang.

Anyway, that was a tangent - Zuko & Jet!

Yeah, I don't think they are foils. Zuko & Jet are two very angry young teens who have suffered more trauma than anyone their age should because of the war. But when they finally meet, it's not to contrast them as people so much as to compare them.

Zuko & Jet meet when they're in similar parts of their character arcs, which is fun. Zuko is starting to consider his uncle's idea of a quiet life in Ba Sing Se. Jet is reconsidering his violent ideals & willingness to hurt people. They meet & both agree to steal food for the other refugees.

Jet experiences shock & betrayal when he begins to suspect that Zuko & Iroh are firebenders. We all know how that goes down with the iconic "I'll give you a show!" showdown :D

...& less fun, we all also know how this entire arc ends up going for both characters. Jet loses his life & it's turned into a cheap joke rather than at least given narrative significance & Zuko gets a redemption arc. What? No, I'm not bitter.

Anyway, I think that Zuko & Jet both experience a lot of anger for very different reasons. They both represent some of the show's not so black & white exploration of morality in war & when it comes to child soldiers. They've both experienced loss (Jet with his family, Zuko with his mother). Their roles in one another's arcs are significant. But that doesn't necessarily mean they are "foils." Actually, I think that their angry personalities & shared penchant for the dramatic (see: their fight scene) make them significantly not foils.

This got long it's just that I love talking about what different characters represent to each other - anyway I love Zuko & Jet & I wish we'd seen way more of them interacting. They are narratively significant to each other. I just wouldn't necessarily say they're foils.

#zuko #jet #aang #atla meta #my atla post #i'm not sure how well i explained this #i kept going off on tangents lol #but yeah i think they are narratively significant to each other but not foils

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hello-nichya-here · 2 years

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Has Azula ever killed anyone besides Aang? Also her 'war crimes' in her villains wiki are so far-fetched and ridiculous

No, she has not. And since we're talking about her "crimes."

Murder - Iroh was a general for decades, no way he didn't kill anyone this whole time. Ursa killed Azulon. Zuko sent an assassin after Aang.

Attempted mass murder - Again, Iroh tried to take over Ba Sing Se, and Zuko threatened to kill everyone left in the Southern Water Tribe.

Fraud - Mai and Ty Lee also commited identity fraud, so did Zuko and Iroh, and even the Gaang when they were undercover on the Fire Nation.

Kidnapping - Zuko's goal for the longest time was kidnapping Aang, and he did try it MANY times.

Theft - Katara stole that waterbending scroll, Zuko and Iroh robbed Song's ostrige-horse, Zuko robbed a bunch of people after The Swamp, and "The Runnaway" was basically the Gaang scheming and eventually robbing people for an entire episode.

Terrorism - Zuko burned Suki's village, Aang and Katara blew up a factory, and the Gaang's actions in Ba Sing Se would probably fall under terrorism under that city's legal system.

Torture - Azula is literally never shown torturing anybody. We saw her stopping a torture session for fuck's sake.

Animal cruelty - She threw bread at turtleducks, and so did Zuko - who didn't see anything wrong with it until Ursa was horrified. Why is it only wrong and unacceptable even for a child when SHE does it?

Attempted fratricide - Zuko tried to kill Azula too. They were opposing sides of a war, people. It's fair when one of them does it, it's also fair when the other does it too.

Abuse of power - That one is correct. Random question: remember in The Swamp when Zuko said "These people should just give stuff to us? Doesn't that just scream "Kind, just prince"?

Treason - Azula never betrayed her nation or her ruler, and the coup in Ba Sing Se involved Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee. Ursa helped Ozai murder Azulon and then forged his will so Ozai could rise to power. Also, Zuko, Iroh, Mai, Ty Lee, Jeong-Jeong and Piandao all commited treason by changing sides- the Fire Nation laws are unjust, but they're still laws. Treason isn't always bad.

Aiding and abetting - Iroh, Ursa, Zuko, Mai, Ty Lee, Aang, Sokka, Toph, and Katara are all guilty of this as well since they've all helped other people commit and/or hide their crimes.

Unlawful imprisonment - Again, Zuko's whole thing for a long time was taking Aang prisoner, so why is Azula the devil for imprisoning the Kyoshi Warriors and Iroh (the later being someone Zuko also helped imprison)? As for Mai and Ty Lee, remember: just because it happened to the characters we liked, doesn't mean it was unlawful. They broke Fire Nation law, and Azula had them arrested. Plain and simple.

Psychological abuse - She did cross that line a few times, I'll give the Azula haters that. Oh, random question: remember when Zuko would yell at Iroh for the smallest of things, betrayed him, had him imprisoned, and then said "You're crazy! And if you weren't in prison, you'd be sleeping in a gutter!" when Iroh refused to help him while Zuko's knife was still firmly on his back? Also, remember Iroh being totally okay with Zuko acting completely unlike himself because it gave him the son he always wanted? Also remember Ozai emotionally abusing BOTH of his kids for years, not just good boy Zuzu, but also the "evil" Azula?

Crimes against humanity - Yall remember Zuko supporting the Fire Nation just as much as she did, thretened to kill everyone left at the South Pole, burned Suki's village, and sent an assassin after the sole survivor of a genocide, right? And that Iroh sieged Ba Sing Se for 600 days, and that was just ONE of his missions during his time as a general? And that Mai and Ty Lee helped her with the coup at Ba Sing Se? That was all kind of a big deal?

Vandalism - Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee did it too, and were just as pleased with themselves as she was. Toph destroyed a wall of their home in Ba Sing Se just for the lols. Aang and Katara blew up a factory.

Corruption - ??????????????????? QUE? I'm assuming this is refering to the whole Ba Sing Se thing, and once again, Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee are just as guilty of this.

Endangerment - It's a war, that's kind of important. Also, Hakoda and all the parents involved in the attempted invasion of the Fire Nation would fit the definition too even though they didn't really have a choice, and Iroh sent his 16-year-old nephew to a battle to the death with his 14-year-old sister - which reminds me: AZULA IS A CHILD SOLDIER! Ozai (and Iroh) endangered her (and Zuko). There isn't a single adult in the show that doesn't fall into this category at some point for fuck's sake!

Usurpation - Again, Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee helped with Ba Sing Se, Mai's father was rulling Omashu without having any right to do so, and even Ursa is guilty of that by helping Ozai kill Azulon and forge his will.

BONUS - Things that were not on that list, but that I've heard other people in the fandom saying are part of her list of "crimes":

False surrender - Aang pretend to surrender to Zuko in the second episode and then proceeded to wreck his shit.

Disguising herself as the enemy and not taking off the enemies' uniform during battle - That was part of the plan of the Northern Water Tribe in book 1's finale, and the Gaang also did this in the beginning of book 3.

Using child soldiers in battle - Again, SHE'S A CHILD SOLDIER TOO! Are Aang, Sokka and Katara criminals for fighting alongside Suki, Toph and Zuko? Were Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee criminals for fighting alongside Azula? Are all the adults in Kyoshi Island criminals since all the Kyoshi Warriors are teenagers? When exactly did Iroh have Lu Ten first join him in battles? Oh, wait, we don't need to know that one since, again, he sent a 16-year-old to kill a 14-year-old, so he's already guilty anyway.

WHY ARE THINGS ONLY WRONG AND "WAR CRIMES" WHEN AZULA DOES THEM? EVEN WHEN BY THE VERY DEFINITION OF HOW WAR CRIMES WORK SHE GETS A PASS SINCE SHE'S A LITERAL CHILD SOLDIER?

#asks #azula deserved better #azula meta #fandom fuckery #atla fandom problems #fuck this fandom #anti azula bias #azula bias

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badass-at-fandoming · 3 years

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ROYAL BLOOD 2 ENDGAME, KIDDOS.

Part 1. Part 2. Part 3. Part 4. Part 5.

Fair warning that the subject matter in this post is...um, hella dark. CW for history of genocide, attempted murder, suicidal ideation, death, injury

Where we last left our heroine, she and Amy were eating a nice dinner together, when they're interrupted by...Chancellor Dmitri??

"Oh noes, Kane attacked Jay!" Chancellor Dmitri says, which totally doesn't raise ten red flags in my brain. "You better come with me!"

Chancellor Dmitri guides an unsuspecting Dorothy to the warehouse that Alex Miller first met Logan Harris in (they re-used the same background art lol). Dorothy calls her friends' names...only for Dmitri to strike her down.

THE SCENE SWITCHES. Safe in the club room, all the men debate how to proceed with their investigation. The bickering is interrupted by a distressed, red-eyed Amy rushing into the room screaming that they gotta save Dorothy.

Everyone is !!!! The red-eyes aren't from crying. Amy LITERALLY has red eyes. As fast as she can, Amy lore-dumps on us that she is a hybrid. Her father, Dmitri, kidnapped Dorothy and plans to kill her. Save her please!

Everyone bends their minds to how to find Dorothy. The werewolves know her smell--but on a crowded campus it would take a long time to sniff her out. The vampires can vaguely track her because they're full of her blood (yes, Dorothy is sexily donating blood to all of them still), but that's also an inexact measure. Only with their powers combined...!

Jay steps forward. He is full of werewolf blood and Dorothy's blood. Either there's some confusion in the translation or the writing itself, but he says the werewolf's ability to read memories in the blood will help track Dorothy down? IDK how that's relevant, but I stopped caring when I saw this CG:

[[Image ID Royal Blood 2: Secret Lesson Lars Hegner and Jay Russell CG, Lars and Jay sit on beige sofa together. Blood trickles down Jay's wrist from two puncture marks, and he winces in pain. Blood drips from Lars' mouth and he looks at Jay in wonder.]]

What am I supposed to do with this??? Do I ship Lars and Jay now? Fellas, is it gay to stare deeply in another man's eyes and feel his feelings of love and recognize your common humanity and common monstrosity? As those two stare, Andrew's like "Guys, can you please process your bi awakening later? We have to save Dorothy!" asdfghjkl;'

ARE WE READY TO SUFFER >.<

Our heroine wakes up in Dmitri's clutches. He reveals "his hybrid form" and rhapsodizes on how hideous it is, but the sprite is literally just him with red eyes now?

[[Image ID Royal Blood 2: Secret Lesson screenshot of Chancellor Dmitri. A tall man with salt-and-pepper hair, Dmitri stands upright in a grey pinstripe suit. He looks like a perfectly normal human, except for the red eyes. But those could be contacts, come on. He says, "You are one of the few humans who have seen this form."]]

We enter a dialogue that gifts me shivers of memories from my indigenous studies class. Especially since this story is set in the USA. Dmitri is the sole survivor of the earlier genocide of the hybrid race. He ran as his parents burned. He found an injured human, Adriana, in the wilds, they took care of one another, and they fell in love. Adriana birthed Amy, but the birth was complicated and her health never recovered. Because of his frequent trips into populated areas for medicine, Dmitri became a known entity on the supernatural scene. News of a lone hybrid spread and reached Baron Hegner and Duke Russell's ears. They came to murder him and Amy, but Adriana sacrificed herself so he and Amy could escape. He raised Amy alone and in hiding, half-loving her, half-detesting her for what she "cost" his wife.

Dorothy is deeply moved by this story. She correctly deduces that Dmitri has been killing werewolves and students in order to re-ignite the race war. He hopes the war will eliminate both supernatural species. She then offers herself as a willing sacrifice, saying she understands and pities any creature that can only think in terms of vengeance and pain.

Girl, what the FUCK.

Like so many puzzle pieces clicking into place, elements of the story now made sense. He ordered the Russells away from humans because he didn't want them humanized. I initially brushed off the weirdness of his decision to assign an inexperienced psych student as the Russell's therapist. Main characters get assigned unearned importance and unreasonable tasks all the time. But Dmitri wanted and expected Dorothy to fail. He killed his own students to spark racial tensions, and he made everyone room together to stoke the flames higher. When he realized Dorothy was succeeding--that, out of love for her, the Russells and Hegners learned to work together--he tried to kill Dorothy and shatter the cooperation. Stellar storytelling right here.

Dmitri is like ??? at Dorothy's offer. He doesn't get long to contemplate because Jay, Andrew, and Lars burst through the door. Dmitri grabs his Dorothy-shaped leverage. Theo crashes through the window behind him, rips Dorothy out of his arms, and yeets Dmitri into a concrete wall. Dmitri is like [insert generic villain monologue here] until Amy pushes past the boys to beg him to give up.

Not even for his daughter does this man stop. He mentions a bomb--but before he can mention more, Kane breaks through the OTHER window (LOL) and immediately starts beating the shit out him. Unlike Theo, Kane intends to kill Dmitri. You can stop him, or you can let the scene play out. I only played through a bit of the "kill Dmitri" route before I got the willies. Apparently with his last breath Dmitri blows up the building with everyone inside it.

If you stop Kane, Dorothy insists we take him to Baron Hegner and Duke Russell--the elders basically. This pseudo-court scene seemed very topsy-turvey to me. The narrative framed the scene as a great reconciliation and ushering in of a new age of peace and justice. I'm not an expert, but I have been involved in meetings with Native Americans that focused on reparations and justice after genocide. Even as a simple note-taker, my role as a white person was to listen. As part of the oppressive group, my duty was to, finally, listen, and let the indigenous people tell their stories and control the narrative. Spit the poison out, as it were.

So I went in expecting this, but got a...weird, uncomfortable experience. Understandably, Dmitri spits vitriol at the men who decided to decimate his people. Edmund and Baron condemn him and Amy to death, until Dorothy steps in and says they should live. Baron and Edmund unburden THEIR hearts about how guilty THEY feel about committing genocide, like they're relieved they got that off their chests. Um. What??? Listen. Dmitri murdered five children, and there should be consequences for that. Baron and Edmund murdered HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN and there should be more consequences than repeating why they "had to" do it and feeling better about themselves.

Amy goes to live with the Hegners. Dmitri is put...somewhere.... He's not in the next game, so I guess, he's just in the Russell's basement like some sort of unaddressed Gothic nightmare?? Edmund and Baron then ask Dorothy to edit their werewolf and vampire peace treaty, and she promises to make everyone happy, which is?? a possible thing to achieve I guess??? (it's not. it shouldn't be)

This started out as a rom-com, Jesus Christ.

As I'm reeling from whatever the fuck THAT was, Dorothy moves right along back to thinking about boys. While drafting/editing the treaty, Dorothy can stay with her parents and the Hegners ooooorrrr the Russell brothers at their castle. The narration mentions next Halloween not being that far off, even though it was Valentine's Day an episode ago. So I guess we're supposed to assume that Dorothy drops out of school temporarily to edit the treaty. Okay.

If you choose to stay with the Russells: Dorothy learns many old languages and supernatural history to inform her work on the treaty. Sophia points out that Dorothy's greatest historical resources are right beside her. Why not interview one of the brothers for their take? If Dorothy asks Andrew for help, he...isn't very helpful on that subject, but they DO boink on the sofa, haha. Out in the garden, Theo reminds Dorothy how her sincere feelings and friendship with the Hegners changed him: he once hated werewolves, but now he sees them as fellow people. We see a little of the cheerful, sunlit Theo from the first game shine through, the writing connecting the very different depictions of the character. #Nice In the library, Jay encourages Dorothy to do her best: as long as the edits are from her, they will be good.

If you choose to stay with the Hegners: Dorothy learns many old languages and supernatural history to inform her work on the treaty. Amy has been a big help. Days before the presentation of the treaty, she can tell Dorothy is way too stressed to get anything done, so she arranges for the boys to invite her out. If you go out with Lars to the town festival, he notes Dorothy's stress and reminds her that her happiness is most important. She wins him a prize at a game booth and gives him a sweet kiss ❤️. If you choose to go out with Kane by the docks, Kane and Dorothy walk on the lake shore together under the moonlight. Kane reminds Dorothy of her power: she brought three elder vampires, a young werewolf, and his crotchety self to heel, so she is an expert! Everyone should feel lucky she's deigning to edit the treaty at all! He is not blushing why would you think that!! hahaha.

No matter who or where you choose, Dorothy ends up nervous before her speech on the Halloween Treaty party. She dithers in her ready room until Sophia says her partner is waiting....

Choose! Your! Man!

Well, broadstrokes of the endings are very similar. Your [Man of Choice] guides Dorothy from her ready room to the great hall. Nerves eat at her, and he says a reassuring statement that she's awesome. Baron and Edmund put in a kind word before Dorothy mounts the podium and gives her presentation on the new Halloween Treaty. She thinks of her special memories from the past year and of her man. She explains she made this treaty out of love: love for the supernatural people in her life and love for how they've changed her.

The treaty is a roaring success. If you chose Kane, he also stands up and tells everyone to put their money where their mouth is. He, the great and intimidating Kane, supports Dorothy and her treaty, and if anybody disrespects it, they'll answer to him, haha. Nerd.

Dorothy soon feels overwhelmed by the congratulations and handshaking. [Man of Choice] whisks her away....

Theo's ending: Uh oh Dorothy's wearing new heels, and they've been bothering her. Theo uses this excuse to whisk Dorothy away in a princess carry. Secure and secret in their corner of the castle, Theo massages Dorothy's feet and compliments her on speech and treaty. He's sure it will last for years. He promises to love her all her days. The course of their love will not run smooth, but they will make the best of it. CG of feetsies

[[Image ID Royal Blood 2: Secret Lesson Theo Russell CG 3, Dressed in a dove grey suit, Theo kneels before Dorothy as if in supplication. He kisses her foot. Dorothy sits and wears a pink gown bespectacled in ruffles and pearls.]]

Honestly, Theo's romance made me feel like an incredibly shitty person. Dorothy and Theo treat the others horribly. Dorothy can feel guilty all she wants, but the game forces her to/she willingly cheats on her other partners multiple times. Andrew's obviously heartbroken, to the end. While I intellectually can name the arc tropes (infidelity, lust, the fantasy of saving/healing the man), they all rubbed me the wrong way. Almost like a therapist sleeping with her handsome patient.

Jay's ending: Jay watches Dorothy dance with Andrew (or Theo: you pick). Andrew says he's glad he met Dorothy and will treasure their time together, the long and short of it. Dorothy finds Jay and takes his hand. She whisper-asks him to take them to his secret reading room on campus. The couple speed there, and Jay compliments Dorothy's treaty: this old advisor to the Emperor says he couldn't have done it better. High praise! Jay goes on to thank Dorothy for choosing him. She was surrounded by suitors, and somehow she found a way to love the quiet, awkward one, haha. They promise to love each other until Dorothy's death, and afterwards. Jay further promises to "not mourn like an idiot" (LOL) but cherish all their memories in his heart. Dorothy asks Jay if he'll help her with a new project. Together she wants to write novels about their lives, so there will be a record that Jay can enjoy like an old photo album. He agrees while showering her in sweet kisses.

[[Image ID Royal Blood 2: Secret Lesson Jay Russell CG 2, Jay and Dorothy lay across a green sofa. Wearing a light blue suit, he holds her close and presses a kiss into her temple. Dorothy laughs under the many tiny ruffles of her matching blue-and-white dress. Apologies for the bad quality: this is a screenshot off the Internet.]]

Jay's more mature romance was certainly...there. Surrounded by more high-strung characters, our quiet and emotionally oblivious Jay was easily overlooked. He didn't get as many scenes or CGs. Heck, towards the end there, he's almost literally written out of the narrative. Not dying takes a lot of energy okay! I feel bad for Jay fans who play Royal Blood 2 because such huge portions pay no attention to him at all. That being said, his few scenes do pack a punch, especially his opening exhibitionist kink, love confession, and ending. I think Jay x Dorothy make a more fitting couple than Theo x Dorothy. She can draw out Jay's authentic self, and he's her pillar of support during troubled times. They also tend to have more sense than other characters.

Lars' ending: Before the speech, Lars and Dorothy laugh over how they feel like they're going to prom again since they're wearing the same outfits, haha. Kane stops the pair in the hall, and he and Dorothy have a bittersweet conversation about their different life spans. She wants to stay mortal, has no interest in becoming supernatural, and feels she has plenty of time to prepare Lars for the inevitability of her death. OUCHIES. After the speech, Lars whisks Dorothy away...to the same hotel balcony from their prom after-party! Lars apologizes again for being too chickenshit to fess up his love during high school. So much drama could have been avoided! To build a better future, Lars gets down on one knee and proposes! OMG. He promises to be a good husband and remain faithful to Dorothy to her very last day.

[[Image ID Royal Blood 2: Secret Lesson Lars Hegner CG 3, With the full moon behind them, surrounded by swirling ginko leaves and tivoli lights, Lars gets down on one knee and proposes to Dorothy.]]

I went into Royal Blood 2 as #TeamLars all the way. I liked him in Royal Blood 1; I love friends-to-lovers. Since they're both navigating their first year at college, Dorothy and Lars embark on a parallel journey and learn together who they want to be as people and as romantic partners. It could be argued that Royal Blood 2 isn't just Dorothy's story, but Lars' AND Dorothy's story. ...But that also means they both showed their asses, haha. Based on his intense moment with Jay and Lars' promise here, it's implied that Lars will become more awesome in the future...but we don't get to see that in this VN. Within Royal Blood 2, Lars had almost net zero character growth. He digs himself into a pit, climbs out of the pit, and makes baby steps towards unlearning his bigotry. He grows into the Lars I like off screen, between the two books.

Andrew's ending: On the way to great hall, Dorothy tells Andrew something she's not told anyone else: she's thinking of writing a book about their romance! She wants to write popular novels to get humans thinking what it would be like to live with supernatural people. She'll portray how the benefits far outpace the challenges. Then, when the Masquerade breaks, humans will welcome it. Andrew is very excited to design every character's outfit, haha. Dorothy asks about his painting, and we get a glimpse to sads. "Maybe later," he says, hinting at the next game lol. After the speech, the minute Dorothy feels uncomfortable, Andrew grabs his girl and is like "BYE BITCHES LOL." Using some blood sorcery, he whisks her away to the city of their "first" meeting. Andrew, my beloved, never change, haha. While Dorothy pins him to this alleyway wall, Andrew thanks her for choosing him, and continuing to choose him. Between kisses, they build castles in the air of places to travel, of settling in this city, of living in a vibrant present.

[[Image ID Royal Blood 2: Secret Lesson Andrew Russell CG 3, While wearing a bright red dress, Dorothy kisses Andrew in a stone alleyway. Ivy crawls up the building as Andrew kisses back with equal fervor.]]

This might be my favorite romance in Royal Blood: my main gripe is Dorothy can't stay faithful throughout. I'm of the rare opinion that Andrew deserved better than how Dorothy treated him. Usually I think the MC deserves better than how the LI treats them, haha. I like the pairing though. Dorothy reminds Andrew to slow down and think, while Andrew gets Dorothy to loosen up and embrace new experiences.

Kane ending: After the Dorothy's speech, and Kane's follow-up threat/speech, he takes her hand and is like, "Babe, let's blow this pop stand." They make it as far as the car before the urge for smooches becomes too much, hahaha. Dorothy thanks Kane for watching over her from the shadows all this time, and finally letting her witness the kindness he hides under all the bluster. Kane says he isn't convinced that a mortal-immortal romance will end well, but he's willing to do anything, sacrifice anything, to be with Dorothy. They will have their happiness, even if Kane has to wrench it from God's bloody fingers.

[[Image ID Royal Blood 2: Secret Lesson Kane Hegner CG 2, Kane crowds Dorothy in the backseat of a car. He kisses her hard with passion, and Dorothy succumbs with pleasure. She wears a black gown with white roses at the waist and throat.]]

My favorite romance route for Royal Blood 2 is a tie between Kane and Andrew. Kane is solid angst, while Andrew makes me happy, haha. For a hidden route, Kane gets a lot of screen time. His rough edges are quite sharp, and he's a definite tsundere. Like Dorothy says, underneath that hard exterior is a man who loves, and loves fiercely. He can see the big picture when others can't (or won't). When he's not on screen, other characters comment that Kane is running himself ragged investigating the murders and trying to protect his people. Homework assignments and romantic dates would pale in importance for me too! My one dislike is a lifetime with Dorothy doesn't soften him up. At the end of the route, he says he still hates vampires, but will set aside his prejudice for her. Which. Hella sketchy, dude :| My last reason for liking his route is it does fit well with the events of the next game, as other reviewers have noted.

The Kane ending nets you an absolutely heartbreaking epilogue. An undisclosed amount of time later, Kane shows up at the Russell's castle under the cover of darkness. The brothers greet him with surprise and confusion, until Jay gets a light bulb and asks, "Kane...what happened to Dorothy?" 😭 Shaking with held-back tears, Kane confesses that Dorothy was diagnosed with a terminal illness, and he begs the brothers to turn her into a vampire. Save her! The brothers, however, turn him away. They've talked with Dorothy about this a million billion times, and she wants to remain mortal. They're not going to Embrace her without her permission (or Edmund's permission). Kane gets down on his knees and begs, and they're like...bro...we can't. 😭😭😭

The normal epilogue is slightly happier? Now an old woman, Dorothy is an urban fantasy novelist, and we see her do a television interview about her upcoming retirement, after a successful forty year career. Her flagship series, Royal Blood, is popular all over the world. Hah! I see what you did there, Cinamon Games lol. The interviewer jokes that her writing is so vivid, it makes the interviewer believe vampires and werewolves are real. They ask what Dorothy would say to her characters, to bid they goodbye. Dorothy looks out into the studio audience, where Lars, Andrew, Theo, and Jay sit, and she thanks them for giving her a wonderful life full of happy memories. D'awwwww. Sweet.

Except the part where you turned down being a hot vampire MILF! What the heck, Dorothy. XD XD XD

And that's Royal Blood 2: Secret Lesson! Whew, what a ride! This was a STORY. Do you see what I mean when I say it feels bloated yet not long enough? Lars, Theo, and Andrew would've been enough, but that would disappoint Jay and Kane fans. Who was your favorite love interest? Who do you want to kick in the pants? There's a full playlist, all endings included, here on Youtube. If I tried to manage a plot like this with my Moonrise characters, I would lay down and scream.

Thank you for reading this epic! Have a great rest of your day ❤️❤️❤️

#cinamon games #maybe: interactive stories #royal blood #route review #text post #holy fuck this post is long #i'm going to take a nap now

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mrknifes · 3 years

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wait .... brucehal but evil. tell me about that.

Oh boy.... You have awoken the special interest <3

Okay but honestly I say "villain AU" when I post about them, but only in the sense that they are antagonists to other heroes, not necessarily evil on a moral level. They're more morally grey/anti-heroes.

But anyways it's just an AU I thought up where Bruce & Hal are More Fucked Up Than Usual.

Bruce's side requires a little more... Context. It's kind of inspired by both his golden age backstory, and his current one in rebirth. In his golden age back story he was taken in by his uncle Philip, who was never home, because he was always away on business. Instead, he was raised by his uncle Philip's maid.

Now, in rebirth, Bruce is raised by Alfred. But at some point Bruce's mental health deteriorates to the point where he has to send teenaged Bruce to a group home for boys, because he doesn't know how else to help him.

Needless to say, Bruce experienced much more trauma as a child than solely watching his parents get murdered. Growing up like that, he's bound to have gone through a lot of stuff. (Speaking from experience as someone with an unstable childhood.)

So I couldn't help but think about what Bruce would be like in those settings (getting passed around, having an absent parental figure, etc.) But without the positive influence from the likes of Alfred or Leslie. (And some of his friends / role models.)

So Bruce is more unhealthy & prone to crossing lines he normally wouldn't.

As for Hal, uhhh.... Not so much thought was put into him, to be completely honest. There's thought there, just... Not as in depth.

I've always been fascinated by Red Lanterns because they're always vilified by the Green Lanterns and other Corps, but when you actually take the time to understand them, they're very justified in the way they act most of the time. If you don't know about Red Lanterns, they're essentially made from trauma victims, typically people who are helpless in the face of abuse and the stripping of human rights. (Or alien rights in the case of non-humans lol.) Their ranks include but are not limited to: prisoners of war, survivors of genocide, rape victims, etc. Their rage is born out of a desire for justice.

So I was like... Wow the red lanterns are so cool. I wanna do an AU where Hal is a red lantern. That's kind of. It.

Although I can say I'm definitely taking the Injustice concept of red lantern Hal hating himself and running with it. So he's definitely got some issues of his own.

I have yet to come up with the reason for him becoming a red lantern but it's easy to draw inspiration considering the stuff he's lived through.

Anyways UHHHH idk what else to tell you that's just what's been flavoring around in my little pea brain <3

#i am so glad u asked i love infodumoing about my faves #asks #answered #griefiary #ok to reblog #north.txt

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hello-nichya-here · 2 years

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Do you think it was offensive to have Aang date/marry since he was a monk?

I don't know much about Tibetan monks, so I don't know if they the type of monks thst have rules against it, but even if they do, we need to remember that:

1 - While the air nomads are obviously inspired by Tibetan culture, they're not meant to be an accurate representation of it, and we don't know if the monks in the Avatar world are celibate and not allowed to marry, if they're allowed to marry but not to have sex, or even if they're allowed to do both because it is never explicitly stated in canon.

2 - Even if they do have rules against it, we cannot forget the whole SOLE SURVIVOR OF A GENOCIDE aspect of it. If Aang did make a vow of celibacy, he did it in the context of "This will affect me personally, but not my culture, my people, or the world", but that context is not the one he lives in anymore. A random air nomad amongst many deciding not to have kids is not a problem. Dozens or hundreds of air nomads amongst thousands or millions deciding they're not having kids is not a problem. THE LAST AIRBENDER not having any kids and thus having his culture die with him is a HUGE problem. Gyatso killed firebenders in an attempt to save other airbenders, and Aang was essentially given a pass to kill Ozai to save the whole world (despite not going through with it) - why can't Aang break a celibacy vow to make sure his culture, his people, won't disappear? Why not have all the new air-nomads be related to the Avatar that ended the very war that nearly wiped them all out?

#asks #aang meta #air-nomads #airbenders #avatar meta #atla meta

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Also remember Jahn literally saw all of his comrades killed during the fiercest battle of the Scouring and as far as he knows from Zephiel, is the last true dragon, PERIOD. That would make someone distrustful. Imagine a Vietnam vet stranded on an island for years..whom also thinks they're the last person of their race alive and the enemy still wants to kill them, you try talking sense to them. Short version, Athos circumstances were much difference than Jahn's.

Well, so Jahn doesn't consider Idunn to be a true dragon?

Because he and his comrades destroyed her soul or because she was a divine dragon, thus not a "regular" dragon like him?

I doubt a Vietnam vet could send illusions from his stranded island to look for someone, but supposing he can because he drank some sort of radioactive Dr Pepper -

He thinks he is the last person of his race alive, save for the mute and recluse old woman living near, whom he and his division, uh, abused to the point where she lost her soul.

Roy, a young vietnamese man, asks him to tell him his story. Jahn doesn't see why not, and accepts if Roy proves himself worthy, that is manages to survive and capture 6 flags.

If Jahn thinks Roy is out to kill him, he would not be bothering with this farce and would have killed him before telling him his story, but maybe he is really bored - the old broken woman sadly doesn't talk a lot. Also, earlier, Jahn met Zephiel, an older vietnamese man, who didn't want to kill him on spot. So he knows they're not all trying to kill him.

-Roy listens to the vet's story, and the vet even manages to explain that everything he was taught in his highschool was bullshit. He still manages to slip some disgusting takes like "you vietnamese people are truly odd and don't think like we do".

At one point, Jahn fully embraces his nauseabond views and says "vietnamese and american people can never live together in harmony, the gap between our species is impossible to fill."

Roy, in 2021, tells him it is nonsense, everyone can live together, he went to Chuck'n'Cheese in Dubai where he met both people from those different states eat the same junk food, and in his group, one of his love interest has an american and a vietnamese parent!

Jahn pulls out his rifle gun : "Rubbish… I have no intention of listening to such nonsense."

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If you just TOLD Athos about Arcadia rather than SHOWING it to him, I'm 100% sure he'd react just like Jahn did. Note he specifically mentions trying to deny what his eyes showed him, Jahn never went to Arcadia.

This is where I disagree anon, I don't think Athos, if someone told him about Arcadia, would answer with "I refuse to hear any of this" and "Now, enter my domain. Let us see who has more power!"

Maybe he would not believe it. "I can't believe it," "It can't be real", "This must be a mirage", "Is it a trap?" or "You're lying".

Not "I don't want to hear this".

can we add to the irony that athos was traveling with a dragon fucker and didn't want to believe dragons and humans could live together? granted, i'm not sure nergal told him about his wife and kids

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For someone always talking about Edelgard's prejudice against lizards, you're remarkably pro-Scouring/Anti the sole shellshocked survivor of the war that not only destroyed his entire society, but basically wiped out his race.

Ah.

First of all, Edel's prejudice reeks of racism, and I am in no way defending of being pro anyone who says "X must be erased because of their race".

Jahn's side lost the war, yes, in a way, he is a victim of the Scouring.

On the other hand, clinging to his old prejudiced beliefs and refusing to listen to someone telling you that maybe everyone can live together, to the point of using force against him by making six altars with illusions before asking him to fight is... being too stubborn, to put it lightly.

Also, the war didn't destroy Idunn.

Jahn and his comrades did.

He know Idunn is still alive, and knows Divine Dragons ran away - so he knows he is not, technically, the Last Dragon. But Idunn isn't a Dragon anymore, because Jahn and his comrades destroyed her soul.

If you want to compare to FE16, Rhea, despite being a survivor from a human led genocide, still believes in them and cares about them. She might have doubts that they can all live together, but she doesn't want to eradicate them.

Macuil is the closest dragon, he is sour and hates humans for what they did. He doesn't tell his story to Claude and pals - he tells them to fig off his lawn, and when they don't, he becomes violent.

But Macuil wasn't seen attacking a human who said "humans and nabateans were both brought to this world, they can understand each other". Macuil didn't crush Rhea's crest stone to turn her in a mindless beast to birth infinite White Beasts to fight against humans.

Edel and Roy are complete opposites - both Edel and Jahn are prejudiced and don't want to change, Roy wants everyone to live together.

Yes, Jahn might be justified in thinking Roland wants to kill him, thus react negatively to his words, but Roy isn't Roland.

Rhea, Seteth, Flayn and Indech all know Catherine isn't Charon, and don't want to kill her for what her ancestor did, nor fear that she will transform them in a portable knife like Charon did with their sibling.

In short : I'm not dissing on Jahn because he is a dragon and a victim of a war that saw a majority of his race disappear -

I am dissing on Jahn because he is prejudiced and refuses to reconsider that dragons and humans can live together, to the point of killing (if he could) the naive idiot who came to his lair, listened to his story and came up with this answer.

I am also dissing on him because while he thinks dragons don't have emotions, save for very specific ones, he does not seem to regret or mocks the pity given to Idunn, another naive idiot he and his allies destroyed, to the point where Jahn himself doesn't consider her a dragon anymore.

#anon #replies #FE6 #jahn stuff #FE16 #mention?#even the laguz kings pre FE9 while not wishing to be buddy buddy with beorcs #weren't thinking their two species cannot coexist? Only Daien people thought that and some Begnion people #and they were seen as bad racists #it's as if Ike says to Tibarn laguz and beorcs can live together and Tibarn refuses to listen and charges his skill to kill him

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