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There’s something that’s been bugging me for ages about Marcelino and I could never quite grasp it until right now in this chapter when he quoted Ursula’s “and don’t underestimate the importance of body language” line from poor unfortunate souls.
I fully believe that Marcelino was originally written as a Gay Best Friend™. I have never seen a single adult man not only quote Ursula but the body language line who wasn’t a dogged homosexual. And when you realise that, literally everything else about his character comes neatly into perspective as the GBF™ stereotype. My theory is that someone in PB offices took a look at his character and was like “isn’t that a little reductive? aren’t we past this?” so the writing team changed his sexuality and slapped in a pregnant wife character as their way of fixing the problem.
#yes I know this is conspiracy theory tin foil hat territory and there’s literally no way to prove it BUT HERE ME OUT#name ONE straight man who would quote the full trifecta of not only Ursula from The Little Mermaid but a line from Poor Unfortunate Souls#and the BODY LANGUAGE line at that!#he might has well have started speaking polari!!!#I’M ON TO YOU PB!!!!#playchoices#choices#first comes love#choices first comes love#choices fcl
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sus…… 👁️👁️ { my pokésona - twice, unless..?! }
#pokemon#sylveon#atomian sylveon#pokesona#ditto#shiny sylveon#imposter#doppelganger#fairy type#illustration#cute#suspicious#atompalace art#atompalace#⚜️#atomian Sylveon smells a raticate#ditto’s making a good effort but atomsylv has an eye for detail…. uh oh#wanted to practice action lines and expressive body language!
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Sending you this ask solely cause listen bixels your art is great but I fear most people will hyperfocus on your design work (which is great, don't get me wrong) and not give you proper praise for the super clean way you do body language and action? So just, I'm telling you that I've been looking at that picture of Applejack on a horse for hours over here. It's so GOOD. The way you do movement in your art, the DYNAMISM of it all, the super clear grasp on anatomy -- it's super super good. Your fundamentals are so strong, I love your art so much.
Thank you! That’s genuinely really nice to hear.
#aragon-is-done#ask me#i came from 2D animation roots so even tho I don’t really animate anymore I’m glad#it gave me the tools to understand line of action and body language and posing
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it probably wasn't the smartest decision to start an ongoing 1000+ chapter webnovel when i know it'll consume my every waking thought but here we are
open for better quality | no reposts
#turning novel#터닝#kishiar la orr#yuder aile#when i tell you i read the manhwa in one go last night and then started reading the novel today bc commenters said it was good#and my god were they right#i'm 40+ chapters in so i've just passed where the manhwa is at rn and wow#first of all thank god there are high quality and easily accessible translations#second of all kuyu-nim has a way of making all the lines carry weight. the dialogue and body language cues especially#like i'm definitely not that far in but there are already a few lines i can point out that made my heart clench#and the tension between the two leads is so so palpable#kishiar is very enigmatic i'm very interested in finding out what he's really thinking and what his abilities are#and i really appreciate the way yuder's development is focused on him caring about others and relying on them#ok and third the fact that it's a slow burn romance but focuses heavily on the plot and politics and relationships is so good#based on the tags this could have been very tropey but they didn't go that route and i'm glad for it#in other news i'm upset about how yuder came out but i have to post him bc i will not separate them ;;;#thought kishiar would be harder to draw bc he's pretty:tm: and i struggle drawing pretty boys but yuder put me through the wringer fr#anyway!! i love them very much!! going a little insane over them as you can see!!
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MY BRAINS NOT WORKING AND THE CUTE BOY I WORK WITH KEEPS CORRECTING MY GRAMMAR THIS IS SO AHAIWIAKSDHDGRRRRHRNE
#dhakaksdjs fuckdwkufeisfjsjajsueei#im using a translator and it keeps outputting 您 instead of 你 and he keeps calling it out like bro ur making it awkward#AND IM LIKE SORRY I CANT ACTUALLY WRITE IN THIS LANGUAGE IM REALLY DU M. BB#also he offered to take over the last part bc i was like hi its almost 9pm here and i literally cannot think anymore#like i am certain its a very easy last part my brain is just finished#i feel so bad bc i wanted to push this proj over the line#this company is so intense i am so baby i am so tired#hugging my cat and rubbing my gross face all over his gross body#me in vc trying to figure out how to say: it was broken earlier idk how it was fixed u saw it was broke tho right#but all that came out was: in the past it was….problematic… *20 yr silence*#before he awkwardly went: um its okay i dont think this is necessary also u have lint issues#and i was just like ya….i know 😭#its ambiguous to some of my teammates if i just dont understand them or if im fking dumb#its probably both im ngl#the blank stare i have on my face is first from trying to comprehend what the actual words they are saying mean#and then to comprehend what technical concept they are trying to convey#using like 50% of the information i managed to parse out#also im used to literally spending 30-40% of the working day talking smack#now i try to crack and joke and everyone is like three this isnt the time#three we are all gonna be hear past 9pm working this isnt the time
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I'm saying Joseph quinn purposely made eddie gay on his own accord. Like I think he read the script and saw exactly what we saw
#i think he was knowingly trying to make eddie come off as a gay man#looking at how he chose to play out scenes with joe keery i feel like he was doing something#he has played multiple gay roles goddamnit!#he had to have known what he was doing...#and thats why it was unintentionally a bury your gays too doe 😀#stranger things 4#stranger things spoilers#steddie#eddie munson#stranger things#and i dont think its that far fetched bc literally maya hawke and joe keery and the reason why robin is a lesbian#joseph quinn#edit: i cant believe i was right#i knew... from just analyzing the body lanaguage he choose to use in scenes with joe keery 🤨#but my suspicions were truly confirmed once i heard joe quinn improvised that big boy line#and now... real confirmation#i knew#that interview... he literally was trying to convey eddie as liking steve thru body language
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Fringe | Season 1 (2008-09), J.J. Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci
#fringe#fringefox#fringeedit#i don't remember everything about fringe but i remember the important bits#and things were foreshadowed so well in season 1!#also anna torv john noble and lance reddick carry the whole show so well#that you forgive the other actors uneven performances#(i'm sorry but joshua jackson in particular how are you so good on subtle body language and yet so hammy on line delivery)#also how could i forget MY BABY jared harris this is the role that imprinted him into my very soul#tv shows i watched in 2023#i made this#i just want a tag for the things i personally put out into the world
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Favourite Fleet & Clara quotes from High Vaultage
(Page numbers from my Goldsboro special edition, I'm not sure how they line up with page numbers in other versions. Spoilers for all of High Vaultage.)
p27: Clara had met Fleet only weeks before. She had just arrived in London and started work as a crime reporter, and pursued a murder case alongside Fleet despite his repeated objections, until he eventually conceded - as Clara had known he would - that they were making a good team, and furthermore proposed - as she hadn't a clue he would - that they go into business together.
p51: "There you are, Fleet. Where have you been?" / Fleet paused, made some confused looks between Clara and the room he had just left, and finally pointed at the door. "Isn't this the waiting room for detectives whose partners have run off? They were quite a few of us in there. Quite a lot in common." / Clara suppressed a grin into something more disapproving. "You're not as funny as you think you are, Inspector." (More below the cut.)
p70: [After Clara successfully sneaks into the Iron Bridge Club] [Fleet] should have known Clara would make it in. Her tenacity had been clear to him since she had first left the police roping at a crime scene of his. It was one of the things he admired about her, even if she didn't always check whether there was somewhere to land.
p76: [After Clara's business card strategies work on Cosgrove] Fleet glanced at Clara. She grinned back, eyes wild with pride, before tapping her bag and mouthing the word 'Posner'.
p116: [After Professor McCabe says “Top marks, Miss Entwhistle”] Clara beamed, and flashed her eyebrows at Fleet while elbowing him in the ribs.
p132: "Don't think you can shake me off, Inspector. I'll come with you." / " I'm not trying to shake you off. It's just late, Clara.” / "You're always trying to shake me off. Ever since we met. Despite my constant usefulness." / "I'd say occasional usefulness," replied Fleet, maintaining a straight face. / Clara, with some effort, twisted her grin into something approximating outrage. "Frequent usefulness, surely!" / "No, but I'll agree to "regular usefulness"." / "Deal.” / “And I asked you to join me in business, Clara. If I'd wanted to shake you off, that's a poor way to go about it."
p154: [From Fleet's POV] Clara really was the sort of person - indeed the only person he knew - who could find genuine joy and wonder in a building site.
p172: [When Clara fears for her life at the display of the Lanterns] She thought of her brother, her sister, her parents... Her ridiculous detective.
p176-178: Clara without her usual pep was almost unrecognisable. [...] Normally that sort of reply would at least elicit some playful scolding. Fleet grew concerned. [...] "Do you want to talk about it?" [...] " What do you want to talk about?" [...] He tried to think of more options. Not talking about things was Fleet's speciality, but for Clara this signalled a worrying malaise. Things were dire. He was going to have to resort to small talk. "Would you like to hear about my day?" A brief pause. "Yes," she replied, with a note of hope [...] Fleet remembered the mess he was in before he switched to the task of cheering up Clara.
p184: When he saw her, she noticed his eyes were shining with a rare zeal, and he appeared bursting to explain whatever he was thinking.
p187: Fleet had, after all, taken her under his wing, even if she did have to thrust herself there initially. She thought about the door plaque he’d had engraved with both their names on it as his way of inviting her to be his business partner – typical Fleet, refusing to tell her so much as his favourite breakfast food and then to go and do something like that. It was the nicest thing anyone had ever done for her.
p201: [After Fleet sees a magpie get electrocuted] Fleet looked at Clara, who thankfully had been facing the other way.
p214: [After Fleet falls into the frozen river] Clara, removing her cape and placing it over Fleet's shoulders
p225: [Clara] had read several books on the subject - Surreptitious Sleuthing, Introduction to Ingression, Undetectable Detection, to name a few - but she always seemed to pick up more from her partner, whose years in the police had left him full of [useful tricks].
p235: [While navigating the Brunellian tunnels for the first time] "I still think my way is more fun." / "Escape, Clara. Escape and then fun." / "That's a promise, Fleet. You've promised it now.”
p259: “That's too much topiary,” said Fleet [...] Clara's eyes lit up at this rare revelation of a personal opinion from her colleague. “I didn't know you had such strong views on topiary, Fleet.”
p293: [When Crowe increases how much he'd be willing to pay them to investigate on his behalf] Fleet knew his answer, but felt he had to see whether Clara was still in agreement. He looked to her, only to be met with an expression of astonishment that he had taken even this long to respond.
p337: [After their falling out] Where do you even begin, she thought, let alone end, with someone you've worked with so closely?
p338: [After they squash the scone Fleet brought Clara as part of his apology] "You want me to eat an exploded scone!" cried Clara, stifling laughter.”/ “I think it says a lot if you refuse.” / “Fine,” she said, grabbing the bag, pulling out the crushed scone and taking an enormous bite. / The corners of Fleet's mouth twitched. Clara was sure he almost laughed.
p341: [Before they go into the Church of the Mechanical Man to look for Helena Evans] Clara smiled, and punched him in the shoulder. / "Ow! What was that for?" / Clara realised that in her excitement at Fleet's plan she had landed her friendly thump with rather more power than intended, so she clarified: "You're a good one, Fleet.”
p371: [After Fleet gets shot in the shoulder] Fleet thought he heard Clara scream his name, but he couldn't be sure. Suddenly she was next to him, checking his shoulder.
p371-372: Clara turned to Fleet. “Now I have an idea.” / “What kind of idea?” / “A terrible idea. Just the worst idea I've ever had.” / Fleet looked towards the distant exit, which could barely be seen beyond the fire, and then back to Clara. “I like it.”
p373: [As they anticipate an oncoming wave of molten metal] Fleet felt a sensation he did not recognise. Something like calm. Then Clara took his hand and turned him towards her. For some insufferable reason she was smiling again. He couldn't help but return it. [...] Fleet realised Clara still had his hand firmly in hers, and she seemed to be saying something at him that he couldn't hear. He tried to listen, but she stopped speaking, shook her head, threw her arms around him and hauled him down onto the ground.
p375: [When Clara won't tell Fleet whether she knew they were going to be saved by Helena Evans] “And you don't think this might affect how likely I am to trust your plans in the future?” / “Does it?” asked Clara. [...] “No,” said Fleet. “It doesn't.”
p381: Clara stiffened her posture, as though she might salute. "Archibald Fleet, I challenge you to a battle of business." / "We're partners, Clara. We're on the same side." / "A point for whoever solves a case first! More for trickier ones!" / "But we work together..." / "Let battle commence!" she cried.
#High Vaultage#Victoriocity#Clara Entwhistle#Archibald Fleet#There's just so much care and affection and trust and respect and understanding and humour between them#in the midst of all their differences#One of the nice things about the move to book format#is the chance to see more inside the characters' heads and to know more about their body language#And you can really tell the attention they pay to each other#like all of the times one of them looks over to the other to check in or to express a feeling#Almost all of the times Fleet smiles or almost-smiles in the book are at something Clara says or does#I had a system of pencil symbols for annotating as I was reading#e.g. an asterisk for every bit that made me laugh#a little heart for the sweet moments for character dynamics#so this is a good chunk but not even all of the lines with hearts next to them#Btw I'm in the process of writing a long ass post about the potential to read Fleet and Clara's dynamic through a QPR lens#which I'll post after all the S3 episodes are officially out#I guess lmk if you would like to be tagged in that#Inspector Fleet#Clara & Fleet
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THE JUDGMENT DAY on WWE RAW | 6-19-23
#the judgment day#finn balor#damian priest#rhea ripley#dominik mysterio#wwe#my gifs#something something body language#the gentlest of touches#line of sight#etc etc
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Me: *shoves N into the same room as Narry*
N: NO! I'VE SEEN ENOUGH MEN THIS WEEK! ARE YOU TRYING TO TRIGGER MY PTSD?!
Me: Oh come on it will be fine! Just say hi! It will be good for you to have a friend at the collab! *pushes her towards Narry*
N: *stumbles and then dusts herself off before giving Narry a look of disgust.*
Me: Say hi!
N: Eat sh*t. *flips of Narry*
Me: *facepalms*
The Narrator looks at N patiently and nods.
"Well... Hello to you too." He replies simply, he vaguely thinks to a certain adventure line he knows and opts to take a more composed approach.
"You are in the marching band collab as well? I can't wait to see you there on the day of performance, then. What instrument are you playing?" The Narrator asks curiously.
#asks#tsp narrator#tsp rp#rp#(ooc: saw that N is a teenage girl narrator and my mind just went OMG ANOTHER TEEN GIRL IN A PARABLE)#(*points to my daughter* LYNNE MY BEAUTIFUL ADVENTURE LINE I LOVE IT SM AKSJDH)#(anywho i went with a more writing based response since i wanted to add narry's physical body language)#(i hope thats alright!)#tsp#narrator tsp
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Red Tape tied in a bow (P1 | P2 | P3) (Patreon)
Also decided to give a go to the caption thing again since this one’s rather dialogue-heavy!
[Panel 2]
Peepers: Uhm...sir?
Hater: What.
Peepers: Could you- do you have the full paperwork on our health plan?
[Panel 3]
Hater: Health plan? Peepers what in grop’s name are you talking about??
[Panel 4]
Peepers: It’s really no big thing, I just wanted to see what was (and wasn’t) covered-
[Panel 5]
Hater: Commander Peepers. Are you planning to commit insurance fraud on my dime? And you’re asking me how?
[Panel 7]
Peepers: P- hahahaha! I would never dream of it, Lord Hater!
[Panel 8]
Hater: Then-?
Peepers: I just want to see what’s covered, sir. Like I said already...
[Panel 9]
Hater: Hrmph. It’s all personally approved by me, so feel free to ask, Commander.
#Doodles#Wander Over Yonder#Commander Peepers#Lord Hater#Oh I had an InOrdinate amount of fun with this lol#Bunch of quiet little inspiration pieces all clicked together into a full page in one sitting that was too fun to set down and go to bed lol#First of all doodling Peepers in a binder? Sparks joy completely#He's not satisfied tho - I considered angsting it up a little or having a discovery mini plot but I feel like those are so done :P#Rather just let him skirt the line and see how close he can get without tripping over it! :D#Hhhhh they're both so fun to drawwwww <3 <3 <3 Peepers with his expressive body language - his leg tucked behind the other in the second!#Also that BG >:3c Hater's room is cool haha#And then Hater himself ah ♪ His face is especially satisfying to work bit by bit until he looks like himself! :D#I was mostly striving for consistency in these so a lot of his expressions are quite similar to the preceding panels - hopefully noticeably!#The ones of him backlit and in profile tho were also very fun! ♪♫ Peepers' posing in the latter as well ahh :D#Even with that I still feel a bit restrained I wanna push him even further!! Cartoony!!! I get excited with every step closer hehe#Also thinking a lot around their early relationship ahh ♪ We never got to see their backstories ouq It's a shame#But we do see Hater and Wander's early dynamic and how Hater changes the more he's exposed to him lol so it's fun to extrapolate from there#A semi-serious paranoid evil electric skeleton man still getting used to having to depend on others <3 Until Peepers proves himself#I mean if he's already a Commander by this point he must've been doing something right but for Watchdogs that's a kind of low bar lol#It's fun to think he was motivated for his own selfish(?) reasons until he started seeing Hater as a proper comrade :)#But until then >:3c Trust very shallow all the way around! Awkwardness and uncertainty! Ah! <3
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he is so cute :)
#media blitz#i spent so much of this video just admiring the incredibly clean line of his shave#but also his body language around the solo era section oooooohhhhh boy lol#but also being v happy that he now has even 1 iota of an idea of how much folie is loved#but mostly staring at his extremely well kept jawline of stubble
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quoting the entire revised act four scene fourteen from the cursed child because it needs to be tattooed onto my brain:
SCORPIUS and ALBUS run into a room, and up a staircase where they are loitering and talking to one another. ALBUS is a few stairs above SCORPIUS, and is looking down on him. Enter ROSE who hides at the bottom of the staircase and listens to them.
Scorpius (excited): I can’t quite believe I did that.
Albus: I can’t quite believe you did that either.
Scorpius: Rose Granger-Weasley. I asked Rose-Granger Weasley…. to be my friend!
ROSE frowns in confusion and at the bottom of the stairs.
Albus (also excited): And she said no!
Scorpius: But I asked her. I planted the acorn. The acorn that will grow into our eventual… allegiance.
Albus: But you do know that Rose hates you?
Scorpius: Correction, she used to hate me, but did you see the look in her eyes when I asked? That wasn’t hate… that was pity!
SCORPIUS is smiling with glee, whilst ROSE cringes.
Albus: And pity’s good?
Scorpius: Pity is the start of a foundation on which to build a palace — a palace of harmony.
They laugh briefly, even ROSE has to stifle herself from her own amusement. Then ALBUS becomes serious and goes quiet. He steps down towards SCORPIUS until they are close together, and then puts a tender hand on his shoulder, almost intimate in the moment of it all.
Albus (quietly and very softly): And that’s who you want? In your palace?
Another silence. SCORPIUS looks confused, ROSE looks sad. She realises his longing.
Scorpius (floored by the sudden sentimentality of the moment): Yes… I— I think. Right?
ROSE steels herself, and emerges from her spot under the stairs to meet them from the bottom.
Rose: Hi.
SCORPIUS and ALBUS turn to her immediately. ALBUS’ hand is still on SCORPIUS’ shoulder. ROSE looks at the both of them intently, and neither boy knows quite how to reply.
Rose: This is only going to be weird if you two let it be weird.
ROSE looks between both of them very purposefully. ALBUS grows self conscious at this and quickly removes his hand from SCORPIUS’ shoulder.
Scorpius: Received and entirely understood.
ROSE looks at ALBUS.
Rose (very gently): Are you okay?
Albus (smiling at her but a little weak): Yeah.
ROSE smiles back, and exits. Another momentary silence.
Albus: Maybe pity is a start.
Scorpius: Are you heading to Quidditch? Slytherin are playing Hufflepuff — it’s a big one —
Albus: I thought we hated Quidditch?
Scorpius: People can change.
They both start walking down the stairs in the direction of where ROSE left.
Scorpius: Besides, I’ve been practising. I think I might make the team! …Eventually. Come on.
SCORPIUS starts walking off but ALBUS stops on the bottom stair. SCORPIUS looks back at him.
Albus: I can’t. My dad’s arranged to come up—
Scorpius: He’s taking time away from the Ministry?
Albus: He wants to go on a walk— something to show me— share with me— something.
Scorpius: A walk?
Albus: I know, I think it’s a bonding thing.
Both SCORPIUS and ALBUS pause before simultaneously and very dramatically pretending to vomit. They laugh.
Albus: Still, you know, I think I’ll go.
SCORPIUS reaches in and hugs ALBUS, who is a head taller than him due to the height of the stair he’s still standing on. ALBUS is frozen for a moment before he reciprocates and they are still. When ALBUS breaks the silence, his face is pressed so very close to SCORPIUS’.
Albus: What’s this? I thought we decided we don’t hug.
SCORPIUS dislocates from ALBUS.
Scorpius: I wasn’t sure. Whether we should. In this new version of us.
ALBUS smiles at him as SCORPIUS walks off without him. SCORPIUS smiles at him when he looks back.
ALBUS (still smiling, full): I’ll see you at dinner.
#ik i added way more stage direction then necessary so it doesn’t actually resemble a script#but i needed to bc it was the acting and body language and the way they said things that were romantic. not actually what they said—#but how they were saying it. long gay silences abound here.#so im glad i sat so close to the stage that i could literally see their facial expressions- it was important for this scene#plus!! it was really only some tiny changes that made such a huge difference like the ‘in my head’ part being taken out of scorpius’ line#and rose saying ‘itll only be weird if you TWO let it be’ changes the whole meaning as well#and she asks albus is he’s ok which makes him continue with ‘maybe pity is a start’ symbolising how its she and him who will rebuild their-#-relationship#but when i tell you albus’s face was SO CLOSE to scorpius’s GAH#and he was talking so very lovingly to him… bruh#harry potter#hp#hpcc#cursed child#scorbus#harry potter and the cursed child#rose granger weasley#scorpius malfoy#albus severus potter#albus potter#harry potter next generation#rose weasley#albius#scorpius x albus#rgw tag#scorpius hyperion malfoy#hp nextgen#rewriting
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naur i've said some version of this before but i truly think will h2o just add water would have been far more sympathetic with a better actor. i am sorry to that man but luke mitchell's line delivery, expressions, and overall charisma are piss poor, i truly do not believe a word he is saying as will benjamin which makes the character fall completely flat. characters like zane, charlotte, hell even the villain girlies like miriam and sophie are far more sympathetic and believable precisely because their actors know how to do just that: act. even nate is a more compelling screen presence because you can tell jamie timony believes in his performance. will's actor phoned it in, and it shows
#every time he's on screen it's just *stilted body language* *wooden line delivery* *vacant expression*#not to be a hater on main i'm sure dude has come on leaps and bounds in the acting stakes since but will would have been more sympathetic#relatable and likeable with a different actor i said what i said!#h2o just add water#.txt#h2o#anti h2o season 3#anti h2o season three#anti will benjamin#just in case
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*this isn't organized.
I think it's sad how little opportunity Josh and Simon were given to develop. Like, at all. Even their dialogues sounds terrible, almost like they're speaking for the game instead of as actual human beings. [Edit: Ha, this is so funny I'm keeping it in. "As actual human beings" bruh]
A scene on the Capitol park chapter is the clearest example of this. If he's still alive, Simon says (ha!); "Our broadcast is all over the news. Now the humans know what we want. We have to think about public opinion." Or something similar. At first it sounds like normal conversation, right?
Until you realize he's talking to Josh and North who all have the same amount of information as him so they already know what he's saying is true. And Markus isn't there so he can't be speaking to him. Which means he's talking directly to the player, literally spelling out everything for us and it makes me 😭😭😭 is that what people sound like irl? Like mouthpieces?
He's literally telling us "public opinion is really important in this game, just so you know. Think about all those blue arrows you're going to get *wink wink*" to remind the player to go pacifist.
For all the terrible ways David Cage handles North's character, in contrast to the other two Jericho leaders, she looks so fucking well written lmao. Most of what comes out of Josh's mouth when he's talking about the revolution doesn't sound like it's personalized. He's just spewing words to push the player in the direction the game/David Cage wants. Where's the personality? Where's the fucking motive behind his words???
Anyways, I could talk on and one about how unfair that shit is but that would be too depressing.
JOSH
I've talked about Josh here and there but never this indepth
From what we see of Josh, he's pretty opinionated. Just like North, he has his own set of beliefs and he's willing to die for them. Unlike North though, we never know why. And sure, he doesn't have to spell out all his motivations but it would have been nice if we'd known why he so strongly believes freedom can be won with dialogue. Especially in a world that is determined to prove him wrong.
Because ignore how happy the pacifist ending looks, there's androids still being executed while Markus is giving his hopeful speech. And the ending tag literally says "androids won their freedom. For now." What kind of ominous sentence is that?
Anyway, Josh reminds me of Rose; pacifism that exists not because the person is naive but they've choosen peace while being surrounded by violence. In DBH, choosen violence is easier and it pays off more. So while that doesn't necessarily make it the wrong option, it does make the people who go against it stand out.
But also, his stance could come from a place of fear. There's also that to consider. Maybe he's scared of what the humans will do if the revolution kicks off and he'll prefer they stay silent. Because that's his reasoning against the Stratford Mission
He's the one that expresses hesitance the most to the other missions Markus assigns. North is usually the first to agree with Simon agreeing too. But then in Freedom March, Josh is all for the March but Simon (later on) and North are hesitant. It makes me think Josh prefers taking risks when he's sure it'll actually pay off. Because like he says, that mall and the surrounding areas will go down in history. No matter the outcomes.
We also don't know anything about his past except that he was a university lecturer and hot attacked by his students. It's a shame this information doesn't come from Josh himself but from the character gallery. I wonder how long he's been teaching for?
His relationship with Markus is also very impersonal. He doesn't seem to like him much no matter which route you take but will somewhat tolerate him if he's pacifist. I think they're differences are beyond what Markus chooses for the revolution. He also doesn't like North much and Markus and North have a few things in common; they're action oriented, have a tendency to take risks with unknown chances of it paying off and Josh might not like that the risks they're taking could mean the end of android life if it fails.
He starts to warm up to him in night of the soul though but Markus has to save him first.
This adds to my theory that Josh chooses peace because he's cautious. He doesn't like the risky decisions Markus makes because he's scared of the consequences.
SIMON
I think Simon falls somewhere in the middle of the Violence - Pacifist scale. I wouldn't say neutrality (it's not the word I'm looking for🤔) but being able to go both ways should the need arise. Some people in the fandom frame him as a coward and I think that proves to be incorrect when you start thinking about it.
He's usually not vocally opposed to any options the player chooses and will be supportive. If you choose violence, he's ready to fight but if you choose pacifism he's also ready to march. But, he chooses to back down in some moments: high risk moments with opportunity to retreat.
It's almost like he's willing to take risks but when there isn't much on the line.
He agrees to missions when it just his life and the lives of the other three at stake but when something greater is on the line, he backs down. For instance, he'll agree to the spare parts mission, but will express hesitance after the bags of thirium have been gathered. His reasoning is because he doesn't want to lose the spare parts they've gotten and the mission be for nothing.
"We can’t bring them back with us. It’s too dangerous!"
"This is suicide, Markus. Our bags are full. We got what we came for, let's go before they catch us."
Hmm.
And in the freedom march chapter, he agrees at first. Not strongly though. He simply suggests if Markus wants to go through with the March, he should convert more androids to increase his chances of success. He disagrees later on; after he realizes that things might not go well and with the hundreds of androids gathered, that means more casualties.
"And dying here won’t solve anything. Markus, we need to go, now, before it’s too late."
It's insanely difficult to get a read on the guy though: he's really non vocal. He hovers in the background during conversations, only getting involved when it looks like conversations are getting heated. Does that make him the glue of the team?
He's also been in Jericho the longest of the four. Unlike Josh we never even know what he operated as before deviancy but I guess it's easy to see that he was most likely taking care of a child. If he's also been there for a while, did he have some form of "power" in Jericho? I like to think so.
But North also seems important too but she hasn't been in Jericho for very long so I can't say I see her as the pre revolution leader. She gets her opportunity to shine when Markus arrives and she's suited for more action oriented leadership. She seemed eager to get out and do stuff; if she was Jericho's leader before the game starts, it would show.
I wonder if Simon had a similar experience with Daniel though. But instead of acting on his feelings of betrayal, he choose to run away instead.
That's about as much as I can think of for Josh and Simon while still remaining within canon. Outside canon though, it opens a world of possibilities. I suppose it's no secret that I'm not a big fan of Simon's fanon characterization (especially in relation to Markus and how their relationship tends to take on tones of racial prejudice) so I won't be talking about that.
But Josh though, I can talk about him——he's an almost blank slate in the fandom since people tend to forget him.
#i know Markus doesn't talk much#most of his earlier chapters are like 2-5 lines each#but Simon is ridiculous#it was actually funny#how little he said. how am I supposed to pick your brain apart if you won't say something#i don't like using body language because that can easily be misinterpreted#especially if you're terrible with body language like me#but he makes it worse by just not saying much#detroit become human#dbh josh#dbh simon#type: text
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this frame belongs in the louvre tbh
#marshall adams i think we should kiss#i'm obsessed with the composition the lines the lighting the body language all of it#dont you just love when tv is Good. Great even#better call saul#bcs spoilers
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