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Disaster Lineage vs. Their Padawans in the matter of being insulted
Anakin: Ahsoka, pay no attention to them. The worst you can do to them is act like they don't exist.
Ahsoka, disappointed that she can't bite them: Yes, master.
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Obi-Wan: Anakin, think. This isn't how Jedi behave.
Anakin, reluctantly relinquishing his grasp on his opponent's jugular: Yes, master.
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Qui-Gon Jinn: Excuse me- do you think you can say that to MY PADAWAN?
Obi-Wan: Master, no.
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Dooku, handing Qui a knife: Defend your honour.
Qui-Gon, shaking: I don't think this is how Jedi-
Dooku: I want no excuses.
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Master Yoda, steadily pushing Dooku forward like he has wheels: MAKE HIM BLEED, YOU WLL
Dooku: MASTER NO
Yoda: A WUSS, A JEDI IS NOT
Sifo-Dyas, scrambling forwards: NO!!
#Disaster Lineage#Anakin Skywalker#Ahsoka Tano#Qui-Gon Jinn#Obi-Wan Kenobi#Master Dooku#Master Yoda#Sifo-Dyas#Padawan Tano#Padawan Skywalker#Padawan Kenobi#Padawan Jinn#Padawan Dooku#A bit of Padawan Dyas#Incorrect Quotes#Star Wars: The Expanded Universe#Star Wars: The Clone Wars#Sw#Is this a bit out of character for Yoda? No. Absolutely not.
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by the way, having dooku's tipping point be killing yaddle in TOTJ is kind of dishonest. since he killed sifo-dyas when valorum was still chancellor, yaddle is confronting a fully fledged sith lord (because he's already received his 'darth' title) who has already killed his best friend in service of the dark side. not much tipping over left to do. i'd much rather have seen that part of dooku's story animated rather than pastalony bringing in a council member just so he could make her an ex council member out of nowhere.
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It’s always confused me how Sifo-Dyas had visions of a horrible doom future and came up independently with this idea that the only way to prevent it was ordering up a clone army. And yes, I understand “see Order 66/the Republic attacked by an army, decide they need an army TOO” but it just doesn’t logically flow very smoothly. When have the Jedi used an army? Why leap to that as a Plan A?
But it makes a lot more sense if he had visions of the Clone Wars. Visions that specifically included the partnership between the Jedi and the clones.
So he would have seen brave, intelligent clones working alongside Jedi, collaborating on a thousand different worlds. He would have seen them covering each other’s back, fighting side by side against literal and figurative monsters. He would have seen the Jedi Order fundamentally changing and growing alongside these people, perhaps even the future that never came to pass after winning the war. And the connections during it: Jedi wearing armor, forming bonds of respect and camaraderie, clones attached to “their” Jedi. Family units developing. Friendships, romances, sibling relationships...
He would have seen Cody throwing Obi-Wan his dropped lightsaber for the dozenth time. And as a lifelong Jedi, he would have deeply understood the significance of that act. The trust.
If Sifo-Dyas truly believed the battle for the end of their world was coming, maybe for him, it wasn’t about just getting an army, it was about making that army. One built on mutual respect and absolute trust. It was seeing those exact people and the connections that would bloom there, and working backwards from that conclusion to make it exist.
#Sifo-Dyas just watching the Clone Wars 2008 series in his head but missing the last season#he’s like Dooku I only have one question why is your bed so big two questions what the fuck is up with your monogrammed pajamas#but really this question fascinates me about what exactly Sifo-Dyas saw and what he thought he was doing#especially because the war would have been won without direct sabotage from the Sith the clones never would have betrayed the Jedi otherwis#the jedi and clone after a won war peacetime AU kills me#the clone wars#projedi#clones#jedi order#sifo-dyas#I realize I tend to view Sifo-Dyas positively#and there could be much more cynical readings of the Clone Wars#but I'm just talking this out
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I think something to bear in mind about Tales of the Jedi episodes "Justice", "Choices" and "The Sith Lord" is that they're seen through Dooku's point-of-view.
And Dooku is an unreliable narrator. He *embellishes* events to fit his own rationalization.
In The Clone Wars Season 6, when talking about Sifo-Dyas, who witnesses confirmed Dooku killed/had assassinated, Dooku says "Sifo-Dyas understood, that is why he helped me!"
No, Dooku. He didn't. You murdered him, then stole his credentials.
And most of Dooku: Jedi Lost is basically Asajj making up her own mind of him based on Dooku's *likely altered* recounting of the facts... and these three short stories are pretty much the same thing.
Dooku is essentially bullshitting himself.
"I think the audience needs to understand that [Dooku] was a Jedi and a good person and he starts out trying to do the right thing. And often when we’re trying to do the right thing and we take it to extremes, we don’t realize it. Suddenly you’re on the wrong side of things, and then it gets harder and harder. "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny" is as simple as saying when you lie, it gets harder to tell the truth. You tell one lie, another lie, another lie…"
- Dave Filoni, Nerdist, 2022
My headcanon is that these episodes are the "tale" Dooku told himself to rationalize his dark deeds. They're the lie he repeated, over and over, until he finally believed it.
It's why a complex character like Mace Windu is portrayed as a one-dimensional "teacher's pet/stickler for the rules". That's how Dooku sees him: a drone who parrots the Councils every word.
Conversely, when Dooku says "I've been warning them about the incoming Darkness"...
... dude, you're an accomplice of the incoming Darkness! You were working with the incoming Darkness for years before your old Padawan became a victim of it and you're still helping it now!
Like, I gotta question whether Yaddle even said "you were right" or if that's Dooku's warped perspective acting up.
At some point, he'll stop lying to himself and just unabashedly accept he's a monster... but, clearly, not at this stage in his life, beside the occasional moment of clarity, as seen in "The Sith Lord".
#mind you I know that out-of-universe Dave Filoni actually agrees with Dooku's points... I openly admit this is just my headcanon#the narrative frames Dooku as objectively right (even though he isn't)#tales of the jedi#tales of the jedi spoilers#totj spoilers#Dooku#Count Dooku#mace windu#qui-gon jinn#sifo-dyas#darth sidious#yaddle#in defense of the jedi#jedi order
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i realized that i never actually shared one of my favorite Sifo doodles here??
(aka sometimes Dooku has to go on missions and leaves his Padawan with Sifo-Dyas who’s temple bound anyways.)
(jedi enrichment for all parties involved)
Boli start actually sharing art for her fics 2k23 challenge
#based on my hc that the jedi equivalent of dads tossing toddlers up in the air#is them spinning their kiddos around with the force#it's good training!#(sifo claims)#star wars#my art#art for my fic#random boli thoughts#sifo-dyas#yan dooku#rael averross#jedi being jedi
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I am here showing appreciation to what I think is a vastly underappreciated source of shenanigans in the sw fandom.
You cannot and will not convince me that Yan Dooku, Jocasta Nu, and Sifo-Dyas were not absolute menaces as knights. And maybe they kissed.
#I am also a firm believer in blue haired Jo#She deserves to be fabulous#Yan dooku#sifo-dyas#Jocasta Nu#jedi knights#star wars#Fucking with the timeline is my favorite pass time#art
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On the note of the last post. I'm just constantly turning over the idea that Dooku KNEW what was in his future.
I think it's very intrinsic to both his and a lot of the Sith's descent that they think they can outsmart Sith ideology. I imagine Dooku thought he could get by learning and not falling into it himself. He was fed up with the Jedi, yes, but that didn't mean he immediately flipped sides. He still respected them and was respected in turn.
But that's not the way the Sith work. It's not possible to just dip a toe in. The Sith know how to get to you, to get into your head, and to draw you in before you even notice it, and by that point you don't even want out.
And I think it adds another layer if Dooku knew. If he was told by Sifo-Dyas for decades to be careful, that he was destined to fall, that he would lose, and yet. He still does.
#something something self fulfilling prophecies#personal#star wars#star wars prequels#sw prequels#sw#tcw#sifo-dyas#dooku#dooku jedi lost#yan dooku#master dooku#count dooku#sw sith#star wars sith#sith#jedi#star wars meta#star wars analysis#sw analysis#sw meta#fandom: star wars#type: meta
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*on mission*
Dooku: Someone will die.
Jocasta: ...of fun?
Sifo-Dyas: No no no someone’s really gonna die.
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one of the many funny things in canon is just sifo-dyas' entire existence. like, what do you mean, you just accidentally created a character on whom the entire saga kind of hinges and whose figurative ghost haunts every major event long past his death, because, like, the clones. you're telling me you made a typo and now OOPS count dooku had a seer best friend who was actually (?) the one to order the clones and whose relationship with dooku was pivotal to dooku's fall? whose murder may have been dooku's tipping point???? and we, like, never get to see him?????? HELLO???????
#sifo-dyas#star wars#by the way i am still slightly unclear on whether or not sifo was ACTUALLY involved with the clones#at this point i am just shrugging and sighing deeply
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sifo-dyas, a seer, is from the area of space known as "Cassandran worlds".... teehee
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Dooku, sipping tea: Wow. The tea is bad.
Sifo-Dyas, walking over: The tea is bad?
Sifo: *sip*
Sifo: The tea is bad.
Jocasta, coming in from the other room: Bad tea? *sip*
Jocasta, nodding: Bad tea.
Cin: Wow. Is the tea bad?
Cin: *chokes*
Cin: The tea is bad.
Plo Koon, walking in from the hallway: Did someone say something about bad tea?
#Master Dooku#Sifo-Dyas#Jocasta Nu#Cin Drallig#Plo Koon#i haven't posted these in a while so here. a peace offering#Star Wars: The Expanded Universe#Star Wars: The Prequel Trilogy#Star Wars: The Clone Wars#Sw#Incorrect Quotes
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Sorry, yeah, Satan told me it's the day to copy out Sifo-Dyas's last words over Oba Diah from the novel Force Collector by Kevin Shinick and put it on tumblr: (just pulled out his relevant lines)
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He looked like a man who'd taken a beating, and he rocked back and forth in an effort to hold his footing.
"This is Master Sifo-Dyas, en route to the desert moon that orbits Oba Diah. I'm with... with... Silman, flying emergency survival capsule number seven-seven-five-one-nine, and our long-range transmitter has been knocked out. We're under attack by the Pykes, and I'm preparing to jettison this projector in hopes that it will be found and -"
Sifo-Dyas came back into focus. "And the truth is, we won't make it out of this alive." He looked exhausted and frightened but determined. "If that's the case, so be it. This is what it's come to - and I want... I want everyone to understand that I've done my best. Some may disagree with my methods, but these are desperate times and someone, somewhere should know: as you are aware, I've seen a vision of the future that I feel warrants an army. You've disagreed with me, but I felt I had no choice. Therefore I have ordered one: a clone army from the Kaminoans. Something must be done, and I made that decision. It may haunt me, and," --more static, garbled shouts from someone else in the shuttle-- "or then again, maybe I won't have to live with that decision very long at all."
Then, to anyone who might find the message and hear it, or to the Jedi themselves, he added,
"Come find me!"
#it's the come find me that just kills me#the lost one#it's actually amazing how much I love this for him#I didn't know I needed to read him sane and brave and collected at the end of his life but yeah it made me feel things#sifo-dyas#sifo dyas#⛏️⛏️⛏️#clones wars#star wars books
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BONUS stuff from the AOTC screenplay...
1. Yoda probing the Dark Side.
In an earlier draft of the Attack of the Clones screenplay, Scene 51 (which I've already talked about here) ends with this comment by Mace, where he explains what Yoda is doing up in his quarters, followed up by Scene 52, showing Yoda meditating:
And it turns out, this is actually a mini plot point in this draft!
Since Qui-Gon's death, the Jedi are actually on the lookout for the remaining Sith Lord, waiting to sense even a trace of him... but then this happens.
And, like, nobody saw it coming! What the hell!
So that leads to this other cut scene (originally set right after Obi-Wan tells Anakin that Padmé "was happy to see us"), Scene 12, which features an evening conversation between Mace Windu and Yoda.
When Yoda says "the dark side of the Force clouds everything", that's not just an expression to say 'he doesn't know'.
The Dark Side has tainted everything around the Jedi, and THAT'S why the Sith have an advantage. Because they're used to it. They were 'born in the dark, molded by it'.
As a result... in this situation, they're the only ones who can foresee the possibilities of the future, while the Jedi are pretty much walking blind, in a fog.
It's not just that the Sith Lord is a master politician and the Jedi are politically inept. It's that, right now, he's the only one who can truly see the future and roll with it, while the only thing the Jedi can do is go forward, have their guard up and hope for the best.
Which a concept explored in the non-canon comic Sithisis from Star Wars: Visionaries (which, if I recall, was created by Derek Thompson after his regular interactions with George Lucas and a 45-minute interview with Ian McDiarmid)!
2. "Sifo-Dyas", aka Sidious
Okay, so some of y'all probably already knew this tidbit. I did, but didn't know it was in this draft of the script so it was a fun surprise:
Sifo-Dyas was originally a pseudonym used by Darth Sidious.
Throughout the script, his name is spelled "Sido-Dyas" (which sounds a lot more like "Sidious").
And when it comes to the mysterious Sido-Dyas, the Jedi talk about him like they've never heard of him before and full-on say he's an imposter.
At some point, there ended up being a typo in the scene where Obi-Wan talks to Lama Su, and the word was mispelled "Sifo-Dyas" and eventually Lucas decided to make him a different character.
Also the Tyranus who hired Jango Fett is referred to as "Darth Tyranus", in this draft, which I guess was changed because it was gonna be to obvious.
But it does indicate that after TPM, they concluded that Darth Maul was the Master, not the Apprentice.
3. Are Yoda and Padmé friends...?
Okay so there's this moment here:
Yoda taps Padmé with his cane!
Thus CONFIRMING that poking/tapping/hitting people with his cane is Yoda's love language!
Seconds later, there's also this line where Yoda tells Padmé to reign the selflessness and politics back and accept their help:
First off, I'm just picturing Padmé just casually kneeling so she can be at Yoda-height and I'm dying!
But also, like... he calls her "Padmé". They're on a first-name basis!
To me, that's gotta be an implication that in the 10 years between TPM and AOTC... I dunno, Padmé visited the Temple while Anakin was off-planet or just met Yoda at a meeting, and now they've formed a bond and they're pals.
If that's the case, then their Ilum mission in Clone Wars (2003) takes a whole new aspect.
And if we're rolling with this idea... how much of Padmé did Yoda see in Luke?? None? Some?
I think it's a case of when Luke is screwing up royally "he's just like Anakin ffs" and then the few times he's actually listening "nice to see you inherited some of your mother's sense!"
Bear in mind, these bits of dialog never made it on the screen but they did make it to the "final" version of the screenplay published in The Art of Attack of the Clones. So if I had to guess the reason for deletion, it was probably for pacing purposes.
Bonus:
Yoda introducing the younglings in his care is such an adorable thing.
Just in general, this scene is great. George Lucas had this to say in the AOTC commentary track:
"This is a chance for me to play with that more mischievous side of his character and get away from the 'official, serious Yoda' that ends up [...] on the Jedi Council, where he really isn't allowed to be as fun and tease people. In this environment with the kids, he's able to lighten up a little bit, which I really wanted to do for his character. It's much more what his character is in the other movies, especially in Empire Strikes Back."
But also... like Yoda is hyping up the younglings! Is that a thing?
Did Dooku & Yoda have competitions and introduce their respective clans like hype men? I'm picturing a scene where Yoda's like:
Yoda: "To a competition, the mighty Bear Clan challenges the Thranta Clan!"
Bear Clan younglings: "GROOAAAAH!"
And Dooku is like:
Dooku: "The gallant Thranta Clan is ready to clean the floors with the Bear Clan whenever you want!"
Thranta Clan younglings: *POSE MAJESTICALLY*
Glorious...
#I may have had a bit too much fun with this post#star wars#attack of the clones#aotc#yoda#dooku#sifo-dyas#sidious#padmé amidala#padmé#mace windu#george lucas#jonathan hales#script analysis#bts tidbits#long post
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side-eyeing star wars timelines yet again because they have dooku becoming a council member in 42 BBY, the same year he leaves to become count of serenno. that would make it a very busy year for him. rael introduces him to palpatine, he joins the high council, and then leaves the order. that all happening within a single year is hilarious enough in itself.
however.
however, they list sifo-dyas as joining the council c. 39 BBY.
circa.
i could have some real hilarity with this by choosing to interpret that circa 39 BBY as actually 42 BBY, which is really a small amount to use for a circa, given that the majority of the real world dates i use are usually something like 'early minoan i began c. 3100/3000 BCE'. three years difference is easily covered by that circa.
wait i can make it even better by having dooku's seat go to jocasta in 42 BBY and then having her resign for council of first knowledge reasons in 39 BBY so sifo gets the seat.
#keeping up with the kardashians#dooku#sifo-dyas#trying to figure out the jedi council structure for 34 & 33 BBY and it's BEING ANNOYING
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people who make Sifo-Dyas a poor little meow meow are Wrong actually. the man spends about as much time of his week in different horrible versions of the future than he does in reality, i know for a FACT that he does the most batshit insane things 24/7.
POV you’re a Temple Guard and something just set off the alert in one of the top secret vaults of the archives, but turns out that it was just Master Sifo-Dyas who, dressed only in a red nightgown he stole from Master Koon, is hanging off the ceiling bat-style trying to hot glue the star wars equivalent of mouse traps to it because apparently ‘they will be coming from above’.
who ‘they’ are is not elaborated on and if you try to remove him from his project he starts threatening to sicc Master Dooku onto your neck (it’s an effective threat) (because it happened before)
anyways, tldr: people should produce more unhinged on main Sifo content
#sifo-dyas#jedi#jedi temple headcanons#my credentials are that sifo is my blorbo and i studied him under the microscope#LET THE MAN GO HAM#if ANYONE is a poor little meow meow its DOOKU#but not sifo. never#random boli thoughts#this fandom generally doesnt make the jedi half as unhinged as they should be#they are magic space wizards for fucks sake!#let them go wild!#more unhinged jedi content please!
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Silliest Star Wars name, round one
PLEASE VOTE BASED ON SILLINESS OF NAME ONLY!!!!
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