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ozimagines · 29 days

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The Trouble with Robson…

So… I’ve seen some discourse on this site about James Robson… and I want in lol.

I’ve got a lot of thoughts about this man, and based on everything I’ve read from other Oz fans, I might have an unpopular opinion.

Please don’t get me wrong! Season 2-Season 5 he was a tremendous piece of shit. Like in every way possible it is to be a piece of shit. But that said I have two points: 1) that’s what makes him an good CHARACTER, not a good person, and 2) a redemption arc doesn’t mean that person is automatically forgiven, but are going down a better path and MIGHT be forgiven for their actions at a later date. It is with this, your honor, that I submit that Robson’s redemption arc was actually one of the better plot lines in Oz. (Please don’t hate me lol)

Okay, so Robson season two, pretty easy to characterize. He’s a Nazi. He’s violent. He’s a rapist. Very easy to hate. Season three, he’s lieutenant to Vern Schillinger in the Aryan Brotherhood. He boxes and such. In season four, he’s a menace, coming into his own character. He threatens on his own and has his own plot lines now. Season five is more of the same, at first, he rapes Peter Schibetta, he tries to ruin Beecher’s life, etc. He commits one of the more heinous of his crimes in my book when he kills the young Muslim man in the store room. A long, drawn out process that James is smiling through. He LOVES violence. More than anything he seems like he was made for prison. Then he learns about his gums, makes racist remarks to the doctor, one thing leads to another, he has black man gums and gets kicked out of the brotherhood.

He’s destitute and alone, which is all he deserves. But even Kareem Said finds pity for him and says “God is trying to teach you something. Please be smart enough to learn.”. What can even God attempt to teach someone like James Robson? He does what he needs to survive. He joins Cutler and agrees to be his prag. Here’s where some views from other Oz fans and I start to diverge. You look at videos on YouTube, many of the comments you’ll find say “good, he deserved it.”. The best argument I heard for this was actually from Funky Frog Bait on YouTube talking about misgendering murderers. Many people misgendered the nonbinary Nashville shooter. Why would you respect the pronouns for a person that horrible? Because, as Funky Frog Bait said in their video, it revolves around your opinion of gender as a whole. If you can just revoke someone’s preferred pronouns when they’re bad people, how “bad” does a trans person have to be to not have their pronouns respected? People of differing “politics” (morals) say different things, but if we apply this argument to Robson’s situation, I think it has to do with one’s overall view of rape. How “bad” does someone have to be before being raped is considered a reasonable punishment? For me, it’s never. For me, just as in never revoking someone’s right to their preferred pronouns, I also think it’s never justifiable to rape someone. So, no, I don’t think Robson deserved to be raped, even though he was a serial rapist himself, because there’s no situation where I think rape is a justifiable response. People may disagree with me, but I think it’s a slippery slope when you can deem someone as deserving of rape.

We learn during this time, as he’s being beaten and abused sexually by Cutler, that James was beaten and abused by his father as a kid. He confirms that this occurred while he was only five years old. His first introduction to life and sex was violence. Maybe this gives you sympathy for him, as it did me, but maybe you say fuck him, it doesn’t excuse anything. But I don’t think that it was meant to be an excuse, I think it was meant to be an EXPLANATION. I think we were learning how he became James Robson of unit B, not justifying his actions as James Robson of unit B. He was a child and the person he was supposed to trust most in this world gave him very harsh lessons very early on: no one cares about you, and do what you need to do to survive. He becomes demure and pitiful in Sister Pete’s office. One line that stuck with me was “here I am, 35 years old and I have nowhere to run.”. He’s been running his whole life. Running away from an abusive father and running away from his own actions. “I shame to think of what I’ve done. Look on it again, I dare not.” Is Cutler’s line as MacBeth in the play. It is an apt line for James. He’s been running from his own actions for as long as he could remember. Like I said, none of this justifies the lives he’s ruined and taken, but it does explain the inter-workings of a character that was pretty static for four seasons. That he survives. He tells Sister Peter Marie that all he does is run from things. I truly believe that some of the reason he was able to be as ruthless as he was is because he doesn’t let himself think about his own actions.

Finally season 6! He kills Cutler with some kinky play, joins the brotherhood, and it seems like he’s back, right? Only when he sees his wife, we see some of the shame come back. Some of the embarrassment of being taken in that way. If he feels this way now, he felt this way for however long his dad was abusing him. He loses it with her for calling him a “cock sucker”, which CLEARLY he’s embarrassed/ashamed about. He hurts her, and immediately, instantly, feels bad about it. I love learning the morality of immoral characters. With everything he’s done, why was hurting his wife crossing a line? Because she trusts him, just like little James trusted his dad. I think, personally, that he sees himself as her personal protector. Since he couldn’t protect himself, he became the protector for her, and then for Vern, but James isn’t stupid enough to think Vern can’t take care of himself. I think hurting his wife tore him up so much because he remembers when he relied on his dad for everything, and his father took advantage of his state.

Then he finds out he has AIDS. He joins a support group for rape survivors. They talk about their experiences and James listens to all of them. He thanks them towards the end, saying it was good to “hear it from both sides” which we know is something he knew already since he was at least five. But hearing those stories, all of which are upsetting but some are straight gruesome, puts FORCES him to face his actions. He can’t run anymore, his lifestyle caught up with him. Am I saying he deserves AIDS? 🤷‍♀️ Chissà. Who’s to say? He has it though. There’s a deleted scene where he lets Clarence rape him (I understand “lets” and “rape” don’t make much sense together but I don’t think coerced consent is consent at all so it’s still assault), and it gives Clarence AIDS. Robson says something interesting, with his classic smile on his face. “Retribution. It’s all about retribution.”. That’s what Oz is about. Retribution. It should be about Rehabilitation, but it’s all about Retribution. This is where James’ story ends on the show. With him moving to unit F, the AIDS unit. Finally, even if only physically, is he forced to face his actions.

This is why I think his story was beautifully written. He’s just a meathead in the beginning, but we learn about his morality -because he does have a code, even if it’s not a good one-, his past, and his future. They took a character that was frankly very flat and gave us a wide enough view on his life and character to confuse our anger into sympathy into more anger and into sadness. I don’t know if anyone else felt this way but my heart just dropped when he mentioned his dad. James Robson never stood a chance. He was a monster in training since he was five. But no one deserves to be raped. (A good reference is Adam Gunzel who was a BIG prick… but never deserved that shit.) Anyway these are just some of my thoughts on one of the most interesting characters in Oz (to me at least) and gave us an actual character out of a plotless muscle man.

One thing I think we can all agree on:

Retribution. It’s all about retribution.

#hbo oz #James Robson #would love to hear other takes on this #I just had to add my two cents #I don’t think there’s anything wrong if you don’t feel badly for him #but I do #no kid deserves that

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wawamouse · 4 months

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#oz meme #oz hbo #kareem said #ryan o'reily #miguel alvarez #scott ross #chucky pancamo #shirley bellinger #diane whittlesey #james robson #bob rebadow #chico guerra #agamemnon busmalis #kenny wangler

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scurvyratt · 3 months

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Oz text posts!

#oz #hbo oz #oz meme #miguel alvarez #chico guerra #kareem said #vernon schillinger #James Robson #Diane whitelsy #chucky pancamo #Ryan o’reily #okay I know I said I was gonna post last night #but I got distracted by skewl #schillinger would rage on Facebook about femboy hooters #and then secretly go there 💀#Robson…#sorry your dad did that to you..#doesn’t give you the right to rape people lol

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mariocki · 2 years

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Second City Firsts: Girl (BBC, 1974)

"Listen, the first week I was here, I slept with the company sergeant major."

"But she's old, she's awful!"

"That was four years ago."

"But still, old Jackson? God, she's like a monkey."

"Yeah."

"I just don't know how you could."

"Oh, I enjoyed it. It was a thrill the next morning, when she marched on parade. Waiting for the look that might or might not pass between us, seeing straight through her immaculate BD blouse. Knowing her in weakness - and then in strength."

#second city firsts #girl #single play #queer tv #1974 #classic tv #bbc #james robson #peter gill #myra frances #alison steadman #eileen mccallum #stella moray #barry hanson #tara prem #if nothing else ever came of the bbc centenary celebrations‚ i would remain forever grateful for the opportunity to see this single play #an immeasurably important piece of british tv history; mostly known (if known at all) as featuring almost certainly the first kiss between #women on uk tv (although debatable‚ but this is certainly the first undeniably romantic kiss between two wlw in specific context) but this #is much more than the kiss. more or less a two hander between a young Steadman and the late Myra Frances‚ as the young trainee soldier #about to leave the force and her superior officer and former lover; lesbians had appeared on british tv earlier‚ but often shrouded in #euphemism (Public Eye) or tinged with a sense of sorrow‚ shame or pity (The Main Chance and others). this is the first depiction of wlw in #old tv that is not only direct‚ it's brash‚ defiant‚ perhaps brave even. Frances (in an absolutely brilliant performance) has no need for #shame or for repression: she's a self described dyke‚ who speaks variously of her pride in her conquests‚ her distaste for men and for #heterosexuality‚ particularly in patriarchal ideas of homemaking and 'traditional' family units. she describes the army as the natural #place for her ('All girls together' she says‚ dripping with.. what? sarcasm? irony?). there's more at play here too: the disparity in age #and experience between the two women‚ the power imbalance in their respective ranks‚ but it's all written so beautifully‚ so delicately. in #a little more than 25 minutes the two (Frances in particular) create a snapshot of something so very real and human and honest and yet #largely unseen (then and to some degree still)... the kiss when it comes is almost astonishing in its passion and its realness. no delicate #blocking or hesitant peck; it's a lovers kiss‚ and it says more about the characters and their situation than dialogue ever could #a genuinely astonishing and deeply important piece of tv history. if you have iplayer access i cannot recommend enough that you watch this

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shirehumpfrey · 10 months

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#memoria #apichatpong weerasethakul #cgi #james robson #cinema #slowburn #sci fi #Youtube

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hello-nichya-here · 3 months

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My love for MJ aside, speaking purely as someone who is looking into all the accusations against him and trying to be as unbiased as possible, it's CRAZY how the fans are labeled as being "in denial about the truth" when they are clearly correct in saying there's more than enough proof of his innocence.

Literally EVERYTHING is on Michael's side: eye-witnesses, videos, recorded phone calls, documents, and well-over a decade of FBI investigations, all of which contradict every single part of the stories about the supposed child abuse.

The proof of his innocence goes from "The pictures police took of Michael's genitals did not match the description the kid provided" to "This family that claims Michael kidnapped them and forced them to sell all their stuff, including their house, so they'd be dependent on him was confirmed to be lying since they still owned all the things they said they were forced to sell", all the way to "Michael wasn't even in the same country as the supposed victim at the time, and in fact, the very ROOM in which the the abuse allegedly happened did not even exist yet"

Not to mention proof that first "victim" (Jordan Chandler) was coerced by his abusive father into accusing Michael, that the family of the second "victim" (Gavin Arvizo) already having a history of scams that included lying about sexual abuse, and the Leaving Neverland documentary (that talks about the alledged abuse of James Safechuck and Wade Robson) was discovered to be copying an erotic book written by a confessed pedophile that wanted to share his fantasies about Michael abusing children.

Meanwhile all the people who say he was guilty have as proof is "Well, I saw an interview with the pedo that wrote that pornographic book and assumed it was true" or "I heard on a TV show 30 years ago that he was guilty and paid hush money to the victims and never checked that the investigation was still going and that the boy was even allowed to testify in court if he wanted to" or "This maid that was fired for stealing stuff from Michael's home claims she saw him molesting Jordan Chandler in Neverland - even though Jordan says he was abused during the tour, not in Neverland, so even if you were to believe his story you'd still have to assume this woman is lying."

It really is no wonder the 1993 and 2013 allegations did not even managed to get a proper trial with how little there was to work with, and the 2005 one led to Michael being found innocent of all charges in record time - I strongly suspect that if it wasn't for the former case, it wouldn't even have made it to court in the first place either with how nonsensical it was.

#michael jackson #mj innocent #michael jackson innocent #jordan chandler #gavin arvizo #james safechuck #wade robson #leaving neverland

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geordieandhisvicars · 8 months

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this man. i love this man.

#geordie and sidney date night #geordie keating #grantchester #robson green #sidney chambers #james norton #s1e5

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morse-perez-and-davenport · 11 months

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James Norton with Robson Green on his last day of filming Grantchester

#james norton #robson green #grantchester #sidney chambers #geordie keating #grantchester behind the scenes

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garadinervi · 1 year

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Ernest M. Robson, The Orchestra of the Language, with the editorial assistance of James T. Kennedy, Jr., Drawings by Marion M. Robson, Jacket design by Julio Granda, Thomas Yoseloff, New York, NY, and London, 1959

#graphic design #art #fluxus #music #sound #visual writing #visual poetry #sound poetry #book #cover #book cover #ernest m. robson #james t. kennedy #marion m. robson #julio granda #thomas yoseloff #1950s

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miriam-heddy · 1 month

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It’s not a slashy show, but if you like watching really deep male friendships develop, you should absolutely watch Grantchester (2014-2025). The entire thing is brilliant.

#grantchester #james norton #tom brittney #al weaver #robson green #tessa peake-jones #buddy romance

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anatomyofjamesyates · 10 months

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ozimagines · 10 days

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request: what powers would each character have in a superhero comic AU (had a dream about this weeks ago and keep meaning to delve into it myself, but curious to see what others come up with...)

Thank youuuuu this gave me something to do while I’m bed-bound! Also super creative ask!

Oz Prisoners’ Powers…

Tobias Beecher: Telepathy

Chris Keller: Telekinesis

Vern Schillinger: Necromancy

James Robson: Super Strength

Agustus Hill: Super Intelligence

Bob Rebadow: Camouflage

Agamemnon Busmalis: Animal Communication

Simon Adebisi: Acid Form

Poet: Mimicry (copy others)

Ryan O’Reily: X-Ray Vision