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miwiromantics · 1 month

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ok but uhh I don’t know if this has been pointed out but:

This.

And this.

Are the same right.

(Edit: I’ve been having this in my drafts for almost a year omg…anyways finally posted lol.)

#byler #stranger things #will byers #mike wheeler #el hopper #henry creel #will Byers parallels #Henry creel parallels #I think it’s been pointed out #but idk #I’m doing it again #if it had been said then I’m blaming the hive mind #lol #stranger things season 2 #stranger things season 4 #vecna #idk what to tag #st

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henrysglock · 10 months

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I, personally, never got over this one

#[face in hands] god #henry creel #el hopper #will byers #st parallels #stranger things

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gellertalbus · 1 year

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The Fallen Angel, Alexandre Cabanel (1847) // Jamie Campbell Bower, Stranger Things (2022)

#any doubts jamie is literally a work of art?#jamie campbell bower #the fallen angel #parallels #henry creel #vecna #jamie bower #art #gellert grindelwald #jace wayland #caius #lucifer #young grindelwald #stranger things

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erikiara80 · 1 month

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About Will

Last year the Duffers said that in S5 Will takes center stage again, and now they're even telling us how the season starts, with the flashback of Will in the UD. That's why I think the reveals about him should be huge, like the ones about Henry and El in S4.

This makes me happy. Will and his story are my favorite thing, and I have so many questions.

Was Will really just in the wrong place at the wrong time, a random victim who later became the brother of Vecna's actual target, Eleven?

Maybe. But I'll be honest, I think this would be disappointing. Most of the audience already believes that. All these years, all the mystery surrounding Will, and in the end it was just to hide Vecna, who was introduced in S4, so when we see S5 it's not even a plot twist anymore? Hm.

There could be an interesting parallel with Henry winding up in Dimension X tho. Wrong place at the wrong time. But Henry developed powers. What about Will, who ended up in the UD? Also, if he was just in the wrong place, why did they make his abduction so different from all the other attacks? It's just because it was the first one and they wanted it to be cool? Again, disappointing, imo. And if the reason was just "make the scene cool", I don't know why in other seasons they kept making parallels between the Demogorgon opening the Byers' door, something it only does in 1x01, and El opening a LOT of doors with telekinesis.

I think it's more likely that Will's flashbacks in S5 will be like El's flashbacks in S4. They made us believe that Eleven killed all the other numbers, only to reveal later that it's not what really happened. I expect something like that for Will too. Maybe at first, everything seems to confirm that he was just a random victim, and then we find out that it's not true. Or he was a random victim, but then, like Henry, he developed psychic abilities.

Speaking of that

Does Will have powers or not?

I am a Will-has-powers truther, this is not a mystery lol. But does it make sense in the story? (some thoughts here) Does he have powers like Harry Potter, or the Turtle (here), or Bastian, or he's like Peter Bishop, Marty McFly and Frodo Baggins? Noah said that Will's superpower is his heart, but you know, you can have that and also powers. Plus, in S4 they connect the concept of time travel to emotions, so if there's a timeloop or something like that, and Will's name is on the grandfather clock...

Maybe his abilities are different from anything we've seen. Maybe something more connected to the UD. I'm just saying, why making him a wizard/cleric, if he's just a normal kid?

For example, they never really explained why he's still so connected to Vecna and, I suspect, the UD (because he is also like Radagast, and the kid in Poltergeist, who gets kidnapped because of her powers) Yes, Max seems to have answered that question: when Vecna makes a psychic connection, you are marked. In fact, at some point she even says that she can still feel him. But when she's in his mind lair, she doesn't feel his thoughts. She says that he was surprised and didn't want her there... but he actually says that. Also, they would really answer the questions about the big mystery of Will's connection to Vecna like that, when he's not even the focus of the scene?

That's why I think the answer is more complex for him. Max can't feel Vecna's thoughts or feelings, Will can, like Harry can feel Voldemort. Could the reason be that he was connected to the hive mind? We can't be sure, he's the only one who survived a possession. There are no particles left in his body (as far as we know) or he would've died in S2. So, why is the connection still there and so strong, that the moment he's back in Hawkins, he can feel that Vecna is hurting and wants to destroy everything?

Why in S2 Will knows that the evil wants to kill everyone but him? And why would Vecna/Mind Flayer want to kill everyone but a random kid with no powers, whose only ability was to hide from a monster for a week? Henry Creel considered all the lab kids, people with powers, inferior to himself and Eleven, but for some reason he wanted a sensitive child who's just good at hiding? It doesn't make sense to me.

In the game, they seem to give us the answer. Well, they don't explain if Will was just in the wrong place at the wrong time on Nov 6, but they say that the reason he is the key and Vecna wants him, is that he wants to use him to find Eleven.

Ok

If this is true... Henry/Vecna needed Eleven to open a door, so he makes her make a psychic contact with a Demogorgon. When the gate opens, he lets the creature kidnap/kill random people. Then realizes that he can find Eleven, if he uses the only victim he is letting hide in the UD because, reasons. But when she finally is in the void with Will, instead of killing her, he interrupts the contact with Will, goes to Castle Byers, takes him to the library, and impregnates him with a little Demogorgon. And then? What would've happened if Joyce hadn't found Will? We still don't know if the tendril was killing him or giving him oxigen, like the facehugger does in Alien (the parallel with Sarah could be a hint tho), because we don't know what happened to Barb. If she died in the pool and then was taken to the library, or if it's the tendril that killed her.

If Will was actually dying, then the answer in the game doesn't make sense. If Vecna just wants to use him to find and kill Eleven, he wouldn't have tried to kill him. Unless that whole process was supposed to turn Will into Zombie Boy, a creature of the UD, similar to Vecna, who could find Eleven. That's a bit complicated, tho.

Not to mention the whole possession in S2. Again, let's say that Vecna didn't want to kill Will in the library, but just turn him into a monster. He failed. So, when Will is home, he makes him have visions, then possesses him, with the intent of killing everyone but him. Because he wants him to find and spy Eleven. But in the 1959 flashback, in TFS, and in the game, we see that Henry can read any mind. So, sorry but why does he need Will, specifically, to find Eleven?

Also, if the particles can just possess you in a vision and then appear in our world, why didn't they possess more people? Easier to find El, and even if you lose Will, you still have the others. It's what the Mind Flayer does in S3. The big difference? In S3 the particles are already in our world.

So I wonder if Will is the only one Vecna/Mind Flayer can possess like that, because they were already connected before the possession

Ok, in S3, the Mind Flayer takes a guy named William because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And then he uses him to build a monster that finds Eleven and takes her powers. So, maybe the 'wrong place, wrong time' is true, but the rest... is interesting. Jonathan says that they built Castle Byers the way Will drew it, and MindFlayer!Billy tells Billy to build what he sees. Also interesting that there are two Billies. It reminds me of If I go there will be trouble, and if I stay it will be double (different timelines, twin imagery, Henry and Edward, Richard and Martin. And Will and Eleven?)

So, my theory is that Will and El are more connected than it seems, and that's why Vecna needs Will. And maybe he is also using him to "build" his army, and make the UD spread? I don't know.

But for all these reasons, I think it would make more sense if Will wasn't just a random victim, or at least he's developed some ability.

Will has parallels with Cerebro (here) and Nancy says that the lights came to life when he was in the UD, a parallel to what Steve says in S3, (Let there be light) after Will senses the Mind Flayer for the first time at the mall. When he's watching a zombie movie. There's also that beautiful theory (I don't remember who posted it, sorry) about Will being connected to the light particles and using them to destroy the black particles of the Mind Flayer.

Light particles that look like fairy dust -> Will being called fairy. Lights that come to life -> a battery

I think I've found some big hint that this theory might be correct. Anyway, it seems that Will is connected to the very existence of the UD. Not saying he created it, but if lights came to life when he was there, maybe if they interrupt the connection, that place, whatever it is, will cease to exist.

#st s5 spoilers #st s5 #will byers #will has powers #el hopper #henry creel #the first shadow spoilers #st: tfs #st s5 theory #st vecna #st analysis #st parallels #stranger things

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givehimthemedicine · 1 month

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To my surprise, our new home provided a discovery.

And a newfound sense of purpose.

#this is your new home!!#my mother somehow knew!!#the creel urge to dig #eleven #henry creel #or. whatever #gifs #mine #parallels

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fromaliminalspace · 1 year

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Henry Creel & Eddie Munson: parallels

#eddiemunsonedit #josephquinnedit #jcbedit #stedit #strangerthingsedit #eddie munson #henry creel #vecna #stranger things parallels #kas theory #stranger things 4 #joseph quinn #jamie campbell bower #dustin henderson #max maxfield #el hopper #victor creel #jason carver #stranger things #Liam's stuff #Liam whispers into the void #gif #cw eye gore #just in case. bc of victor #cw eye strain #bc of baby henry's shirt that turned out really weird and almost glitching for some reason #well. hopefully the whole idea will make at least some sense outside of my head!#where it's been brewing ever since vol.ii and interweaving with the kas theory #to the point of me also starting a fic exploring all the suspicious coincidences which there are even more of that i can show in one gifset #though i kinda considered adding the parallel of henry framing his father for his murders and hawkins laying the blame for them on eddie

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asexualenjolras · 1 month

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Mike's speech to Eleven in Stranger Things S4E9 holds so much more weight after watching the First Shadow in London.

He tells El: "I love you with your powers, without your powers. I love you for exactly who you are. You're my superhero. And ... I can't lose you."

And it mirrors Eleven and Henry together so nicely.

Because we know Patty Newby thought of Henry Creel as her superhero - that was their thing and they constantly talked about him having super powers in the same way Max, Mike, Will and the Squad do with El. And Henry liked being Patty's superhero, and he felt loved for the first time in his life. He felt understood by someone for the first time in his life; by someone that also felt like an out-cast, and also felt like they didn't fit in and weren't "normal".

And we also know that Henry did lose Patty. Because Dr. Brenner isolated him away from her. He isolated him away from everyone and everything.

And he lost who he was because of that. And he became the weapon that Dr. Brenner wanted him to because of that.

If any part of the Henry Creel we meet in Stranger Things: the First Shadow is still there in Henry/Vecna/One, the realisation that Mike is Eleven's Patty must hurt him deeply.

They have so much to work with.

If Eleven finds out Mike loves Will, for example, then El will have to come to terms with losing the person that believed in her.

I'm interested to know what the Duffer Brothers might do with this in ST5.

Because we know Eleven experienced the same bullying that Henry did during her time in California. And we know that Will Byers has also been feeling isolated and alone his whole life, so maybe we'll see those similarities between Will and Henry start to creep into the story a lot more.

I'm excited. And I'm nervous.

#stranger things #henry creel #mike wheeler #mileven #eleven #stranger things the first shadow #st tfs #patty newby #millie bobby brown #finn wolfhard #byler #the first shadow is so good #and the parallels between Eleven and Henry are there #and so are the parallels between Henry and Will #the duffer brothers have so much to work with

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conflictofthemind · 6 days

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Let's talk about the insane Paranorman (Norman/Agatha) x Stranger Things (Will/Henry) Parallels

"Once upon a time, long ago, there was a little girl. A - a little girl who was different... Who was different from the other people in her village. She could see and - and do things that no one could understand. And that made them scared of her! She turned away from everyone and became sad and lonely, and had no one to turn to. The more she turned away from people, the more scared they were of her. And they did something terrible! They became so scared that they took her away, and they killed her! And even - and even though she was dead, something in her came back. And this part of her, wouldn't go away even after three hundred years! And the longer it stayed, the less there was of the little girl."

Will and Norman are both associated with zombies. For Norman, this is his obsession with zombies in pop-culture and old horror flicks (also similar to Will's own nerdy interests). For Will, this connection is quite literal as he came back from the dead. They're also both called Freaks. In both medias this is heavily associated with the characters' perceived queerness and their persecution, including the metaphor of their stories, is about homophobic oppression.

Norman and Will develop a psychic connection with the 'villain', who is able to send them into trances where they see visions, and eventually even whisper in their ears when the connection becomes stronger.

The 'villain' part is in quotes because, while they both occupy the role of the antagonist within their stories, the line is not so cut and dry. We learn that both Agatha and Henry were young kids (11 and 12 respectively), who started showing signs of magical powers, which led their conformist societies to be afraid of them.

The Puritan courts sentence Agatha to death on charges of witchcraft, where she curses the seven jurors to die and never find rest. Henry's story proves more complicated.... but you can see the parallel. Paranorman is in a way the kids movie version of the Henry/Will plot in Stranger Things.

Paranorman ends with Norman confronting Witch!Agatha at her grave, where he is able to pull through to the little girl that still exists inside of her and wants to be laid to rest.

It had been tradition up until this point that the people with the 'gift' to see the dead would read her a bedtime story to make her go away for another year, her soul still unrested and in agony. Norman's decision to try and talk to her himself is what broke this 300-year cycle, allowing her to pass on peacefully and saving the town from yearly destruction.

...I think we will see something similar in Season 5 of Stranger Things. I don't think that's too much of an unpopular or an undiscussed opinion at this point in time, so I won't push it too much further. Look up other people's posts on the topic; I'm sure they could articulate much better.

But the specific parallels between these two pieces of media are so stark that I wonder if this was another piece of inspiration and evidence we can add to the pile. Especially with the text: society oppresses people with powers for being different // subtext: society oppresses queer people theme they share in common, and the amount of 80s horror references that exist within Paranorman.

#will byers #henry creel #stranger things #paranorman #st parallels #so many things you see in paranorman that you wouldnt ever see in another kids movie... bless laika studios

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elevenenthusiast · 2 months

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Spot the difference

#parallels #stranger things #star wars #vecna #henry creel #eleven #obi wan kenobi #darth vader #anakin skywalker

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willbyersabyss · 11 months

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Henry and Will confessing under the veil of someone else

#has someone pointed this out already #byler #henry creel #will byers #parallels

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i-find-the-beauty-in-chaos · 9 months

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IT'S THE SAME LOOK OMG

#god these parallels make me INSANE #stranger things #billy hargrove #eleven #henry creel #bileven #eleven x 001 #eleven x henry

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henrysglock · 10 months

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(based on the “Always An Angel, Never A God” trend)

#now some of you are going to hate me for this #and before you comment just know: i do not care. i post for me and like 3 other people.#anyway #it’s the parallel-foil-ism of it all #henry creel #will byers #stranger things #my meme

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ccirillahir · 2 years

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Will Byers and Henry Creel | Parallels

4.09 - “The Piggyback”

2.02 - “Trick or Treat, Freak”

2.03 - “The Pollywog”

#strangerthingsedit #stedit #stranger things #will byers #henry creel #dailystrangerthings #tvstrangerthings #strangersource #stranger things spoilers #mine #they have so many parallels its insaneee

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erikiara80 · 7 months

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Will's kidnapping was totally random. This parallel with the girl that Vecna calls the chosen one to break the world is just a coincidence

The creature was just attracted by his blood

The Demogorgon is a ferocious predator, like a shark. it just wanted to kill Will

Well, the chain lock trick is cool, but they just wanted to make the scene more mysterious. In the show there is no evidence that only people have telekinesis...

Ok, but it only happens once!

Yeah. The vanishing of Will Byers was just a coincidence, because in the UD there are only monsters, not angry, smart men who have been planning their revenge on the world for years. And were just waiting for someone to open a door

#will byers #will has powers #henry creel #max mayfield #st vecna #henry/vecna/001 #henry/vecna/one #dr brenner #st parallels #stranger things

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disdaidal · 2 years

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001 & El snapping

for anon ♥

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11byers · 2 years

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#girlbosses

STRANGER THINGS 3.03 | 3.04 | 4.07

#stedit #strangerthingsedit #dailystrangerthings #tvstrangerthings #max mayfield #el hopper #henry creel #stranger things #st4 #st4 spoilers #this was actually gonna be a serious parallel for the theme of 'rules' in st but i couldnt figure it out so you get hashtag girlbosses #myedit #also idk how to colour gifs anymore i have no idea what im doing

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