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asksythe · 10 months

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Hey just read your lovely hands fanfic and the concept of the blood pool being a prison for malevolent entities barred from the cycle of reincarnation is so COOL , is it a thing implied between the lines and we western audiences lack the cultural context to recognise it ?, or is it something you came up with if so can I have permission to incorporate the concept into my own fan works?

It is a cultural thing. It's not even implied in the novel. It's just outright stated. But it's one of those hundreds of tiny cultural details that probably fly over the head of the international audience.

Remember when the Wen people came back as bloody corpses to protect Wei Ying and fought back the fierce corpses riled up by the repaired Yin Hufu?

In this part, the novel describes the events following the first Sige of the Burial Mound. After the hundred cultivator houses slaughtered these defenseless elderlies, women, and children, they threw their corpses into the blood pool, thus forever barring them from reincarnation.

The phrase the novel uses is 永不超生 (lit. to never again be reborn, to be barred from the cycle of reincarnation forever). That's not a figure of speech. The novel is being literal. The Burial Mound itself is already a prison for all kinds of undead and ghost wraiths. The blood pool, by the novel descriptions, amounts to a maximum security cell. A ghost in the Burial Mound can eventually let go of their grudge/resentment and enters the afterlife/reincarnation. But anybody thrown into the blood pool doesn't have this option.

永不超生 is commonly portrayed in Chinese culture as a punishment by the authority of the underworld. That's not a judgment that a mortal is allowed to make.

The fact that the Hundred Houses carried out 永不超生 on the Wen is a detail that speaks of both their arrogance and their awareness of their guilt.

The Hundred Houses are well aware what they did to the Wen remnants is a sin. The custom of the time is, if you profess yourself to be the righteous side and slay someone seen as 'evil/villain,' it's customary to hang their corpses up for all to see.

Remember Nie Mingjue beheading Wen Xu and hanging Wen Xu's head at the gate of Uncleam Realm for all to see? NMJ is not doing that just because he has a vendetta against the Wen. He's doing that as part of ancient customs to declare to all that 'his kill is righteous,' that he doesn't need to hide it, and that Wen Xu and the Wens are villains that need to be put down.

That's the principle. Justice has no need to hide.

But not only did the Hundred Houses hide the corpses of the Wen remnants, but they also imprisoned their souls, hoping that would keep the Wen from coming back as grudge wraiths or for the karmic cycle itself to snap back for this sin.

The Hundred Houses built up the Wen remnants to be this evil army at Wei Ying's beck and call. So they need to be put down. But the truth is that they were just a bunch of elderlies, women, and children who spent all their lives being doctors (as they belong to the Qihuang branch, with their own pacifistic philosophy).

Had the Hundred Houses performed the custom and showed their supposedly righteous kill to the world, then the truth would out. That they were either liars or stupid, and that they best be prepared to repay for their transgression on both innocent Wens and on the authority of hell itself.

And that, my friend, is why the second Burial Mound Siege ended the way it did, and why the vast majority of those same cultivators left Wei Ying alone afterward. What do you think those same cultivators think when their victims break out of the supposedly unbreakable maximum security cell to save Wei Ying (another of their victims)? And then those same Wen souls entered the afterlife?

The Western vernacular for this part is: Karma is a tenacious bitch with a long memory. It doesn't matter how much they lie about their crime and act like they are righteous or how good they think they hide the proof of their deeds. Heaven and hell itself are watching.

....Sorry, I have some strong feelings about the treatment of the Wen remnants.

That is to say, feel free to incorporate it in your works.

#ask sythe #wen qing #wen remnants #wen ning #mo dao zu shi #mdzs

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maria-taiwin · 1 year

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I've read MDZS 4 years ago but still the whole process "Lan Wangji fights his elders for defending Wei Wuxian. After the fight, he takes wwx off to the Burial Mounds, where the other Wens are still there and pratically doomed. And then he leaves them and returns back to Gusu for accepting punishment of his act, and he knows the punishment would be a sentence of death, more or less, but he's ready to pay the consequences", there this whole journey "attacking/not staying/coming back" doesn't make sense to me. It only makes sense because the author needed Lan Wangji alive for wwx's second life. But if I try to search insight on the characters' motivations and logic... I see this choice just as a weak plot device. I mean, where the fuck were you going, Wangji?? If you are ready to die for justice, you should have stayed at Burial Mounds! (Yeah I know he couldn’t, but just for plot reasons. On an emotional level, I don't get this sequence of events)

Maybe I'm not reading perfectly between the lines, so if someone has other opinions - good or bad, but please do not fight - please let's discuss!

#lan wangji #wei wuxian #mdzs #mdzs meta #mdzs novel #wen remnants #wangxian #really I always had this doubt #I was so ??? when I have read that part #I already talked with another person but still I'm not convinced #danmei #danmei novel

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neverdoingmuch · 7 months

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when wen ning first wakes up in the burial mounds, wen qing and wei wuxian are both really overprotective of him as he’s getting used to his new body, so to speak, and they’re still trying to make sure there’s no other issues with him like idk falling apart. so he’s stuck watching all the other wens running around, doing the farming and cleaning and cooking and building their new home, and wen ning feels really useless and left out.

but then one day a-yuan runs up to him and is like !!!! are you busy?? and when wen ning is like uhh no? a-yuan just beams at him and is like wait here! and runs off into wwx’s cave and comes back with some ink and paper and just plonks down onto the floor in front of wn and starts drawing him. wn just panics and sits stock-still for like three hours until wwx comes over and is like ah wow a-yuan you’re so good! can you draw one of me and wn? and a-yuan is like mm!! and he eventually ends up drawing the entire family and yeah,, they’re all red blobs except for one black blob but everyone loves his art regardless.

and so a-yuan starts drawing more and more. paper is hard to come by sometimes but the wens always make sure a-yuan has enough that he can keep drawing. he draws his uncles and his aunts and wwx (when he comes out of his cave). but everyone is always really busy, and wn ends up being a-yuan’s main model and favourite subject to draw. and yeah wen ning still feels kind of useless and uncomfortable in his own skin in a way that he’s never felt before, but when a-yuan clambers into his lap to show off his latest art, wen ning never looks like a monster in a-yuan’s drawings.

(and then when all the wens die and wn is locked beneath koi tower, a-yuan forgets them. but whenever he gets the chance to draw at the cloud recesses his people always wear red and sometimes have black veins.)

#mdzs #modao zushi #wei wuxian #wen ning #lan sizhui #wen remnants #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #cql #the untamed

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sepia-mahogany · 11 months

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Can we take a moment to appreciate how awesome Wei Wuxian is? Like in face of literal hell he remains true to himself, even when he knows it won’t be easy, that he’d be potentially harmed and his reputation destroyed only at best and being hunted down, tortured and killed at worst because of a simple association with Wens. despite that the moment he sees they are innocent people suffering atrocities, thats enough for him, he steps up and becomes a shield for them. Like at the point where Wen Qing comes to ask him for help, he’s a well-respected and powerful person in Cultivation World, and she has no power, nothing to offer, and frankly he could just look the other way like everyone else, refuse to help Wen Qing and maintain his position of power with a stable future, and yet he throws it all away without hesitation to save her and her people. And he doesn’t turn back, even when his ‘friends’ leave him, when his Sect Leader makes him choose between his position and the innocent people and he still chooses to protect them (but in return looses protection as well). Like, the courage it takes to choose the hard part and actually follow through with it is not something you happen to do on a whim. Even until the end he speaks for them who can’t for themselves, protects them against the world until he’s killed for it. He doesn’t do it for any benefit and only gets scorn from others for it. Wei Wuxian has a true heart of gold, one filled with compassion and kindness, he lives by his principle of ‘don’t remember what you do for others, remember what others have done for you’ and repay them and he gives and gives until he literally can’t anymore.

#mdzs #wei wuxian #wen qing #wen remnants #like even lwj takes time to come around #but wei wuxian did not hesitate #in that moment he was at the moral high ground in comparison to all other characters

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ninjakk · 1 year

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Do you know what always really gets me every time I read it? During the second siege of the Burial Mounds, when the poor old corpse of Granny Wen makes her appearance...

The figure was smaller than the others and stood hunched over. There was a gaping hole in its skull, suggesting it had been bludgeoned to death. Soaking in the bloody water had left its sparse white hair stuck to its forehead, and with its skin and flesh half decayed on top of that, it was a repulsive, terrifying, and uncomfortable sight to behold.

Vol 4, Chapter 19 - 7S

I know that most of us will agree the first siege was totally horrifying and completely unjustified - after all WWX only fought each time because he was defending himself. But come on?! How can any cultivator even justify hitting a defenceless old lady with such force that they smashed a massive hole in her head?! Which utterly disgusting creep did that!?

I've seen a few people defending the siege in the past, for some bizarre reason, mostly in an attempt to justify JCs actions at leading the whole thing. But seriously, someone caved that woman's head in and then unceremoniously threw all of their corpses into the blood pool!

And even after all of that, whatever remained of the murdered Wen remnants managed to muster up the remaining strength they had left and save not only WWX, LWJ and the juniors, but even some of the people who killed them and disrespected their dead bodies so brutally, many years ago.

Yet some people in the fandom still call WWX the "bad guy" during his reluctantly titled YLLZ era, when he was literally a radish farmer living on a desolate mountain, playing with a toddler and keeping innocent people safe. Oooo what a diabolical man he was *shakes fist *

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #mdzs novel #wei wuxian #burial mound #yiling laozu #wen remnants

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wutheringskies · 8 months

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Jin Guangyao and Wei Wuxian aren't the same.

Jin Guangyao is one of the best written characters I've come across. A villian that doesnt look like one, doesnt act like one, is likeable, has strong motivations and a defined personality and extremely fun to read fanfics about. But what I dislike is the role that fanon gives him; specially his role in the story with allusions to Wei Wuxian, casting Jin Guangyao as someone similar to Wei Ying. The "poor children turned to forced villains" trope. This meta is about WHY that's NOT true.

The humiliation of his mother didn't give him the right to burn down an entire brothel. (personally, I found it satisfying but). The desire of acceptance from his father was a motivation for his crimes, not a factor that validates those crimes. Often, Jin Guangyao is treated as the counter part of Wei Wuxian. They both share only three similarities, however:

1. Both came from low backgrounds and struggled a lot in their childhoods. Meng Yao had food, but witnessed constant humiliation. Wei Ying had nothing, and then got tangled into the fucked up dynamics of the Jiangs.

2. Both were found to be much different than what people believed them to be. Wei Wuxian was supposed to be evil, hateful, a murderer who kills just to satisfy his blood thirst and need for power, a monster. Jin Guangyao was supposed to be the guy who worked hard and rose to the top, humble, kind, honest and pure of heart.

3. Both had their reputations destroyed from targeted rumor mill.

That is all.

Other than that, Jin Guangyao is NOT at all similar to Wei Wuxian by any measure. He had to do bad things because he desired power, and to gain, power in a corrupt world, you need to be even more corrupted. He killed all those who looked down upon him (not bodily harm him). He clenched his teeth and killed everyone who protested against him or questioned him. He silenced everybody before they could silence him. He isn't SOLELY responsible but he only played the cards that would bring HIM benefit, not the cards that were righteous, or good, or kind.

Wei Wuxian never desired power, was willing to give up a limb for the safety of his sect. When has he ever raised his sword or his flute if not in self defense? When has he ever attacked first and when has he ever killed an innocent? The only innocent he's most directly responsible for is Jin Zixuan and that was too, in an ambush, where he was asked to back down.

Not just that, everyone is always talking about the Nightless City massacre but never about the Burial Mounds Seige 2.0 where all of the cultivators WOULD have DIED, if not for Lan Wangji and Wei Wuxian.

If your reasoning behind justifying Jin Guangyao's actions and murders is the "intention" then you come across as hypocritical if you condemn Wei Wuxian for the Nightless City massacre, ignoring everything that led to it. His prowess in cultivation, his natural genius, and his terrifying powers that he built himself even after losing a core are not crimes that he should be punished for, but he was. Because he's supposed to be just the son of a servant. How dare he be so powerful? So many attempts on his life were made and he survived them all. So many attempts to summon his soul, and they didn't work.

Is surviving a crime? For the Jiang Cheng stans who always thrust the survivor narrative onto JC, this is a question for them. Was Wei Wuxian wrong to have survived incidents in which he was being attacked? Should he have died for doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than having a different voice? For standing against a structure that always prioritizes one being above all, being the ultimate voice that cannot be questioned?

Here I'm going to quote some parts from the ExR translation of Villanous Friends:

He Su, “What was the irresistible trend? What was stirring up trouble? Jin GuangShan wanted to establish the position of chief cultivator only to imitate the QishanWen Sect in being the only ones at the top. Do you think all the world is ignorant? You frame me like this only because I spoke the truth!”

When you really succeed, all of the world of cultivation would see the true face of the LanlingJin Sect. Do you think killing me alone would put you eternally at ease? How wrong you are! We, the TingshanHe Sect, teem with talent. From now on, we’ll unite and never surrender to you Wen-dogs of another skin!”

Sounds familiar?

After a few laughs, he continued, “Sect Leader Jin, let me ask you something else. Do you think that, because the QishanWen Sect is gone, the LanlingJin Sect has all right to replace it?”

Wei WuXian added, “Everything has to be given to you? Everyone has to listen to you? Looking at how the LanlingJin Sect does things, I almost thought that it was the QishanWen Sect’s empire all over again.”

Wei WuXian, “Did I say something wrong? Forcing living people to be bait and beating them up whenever they refused to obey—is this any different from what the QishanWen Sect does?”

These were voices that questioned the greater powers. This is what happened to these voices:

Jin Guangyao: That’s not the way to go about things, is it? The TingshanHe Sect rebelled and schemed to assassinate Sect Leader Jin with all its forces before it was caught red-handed. How could that be called without a reason?”

Flashback to Wen Chao, asking if the disciples in the Xuanwu Cave were rebelling when they protected Mianmian who was asked to be the live bait of a monster.

Also, flashback to Wei Wuxian standing up for the Wens and being called a rebel when he stood up for the Wens who were being used as live baits to strengthen the Jin.

The ones over there cried, “Brother! He’s lying! We didn’t, we didn’t!”

Flashback to Wen Ning "losing control" at Koi Tower probably due to Xue Yang's invention. But the point to be taken away is that Sect Leader He Su's younger disciples, who are harmless, are framed as murderers. A position similar to what Wei Wuxian was put into.

He Su, “Utterly nonsense! Open your eyes and fucking look! There are nine-year-old children here! Old men who can’t even walk! How could they rebel against anything?! Why would they assassinate your dad out of nowhere?!”

Funny how the evils of society comprised of old grandmas, uncles, a toddler, a doctor, a fierce corpse, and a cultivator with no status, no core, no money, no voice living in a cave with a pool of blood, digging the Burial soil to grow some potatoes.

And not those who were sitting on their thrones, reveling in riches and ordering people around.

Jin GuangYao, “Because you made a mistake and committed murder, Young Master He Su, while they refused to accept Koi Tower’s conviction of you, of course.”

"A mistake" reminds me of the incident at qionggi path. Even if Jin Zixuan hadn't died that day, they would've kept cornering Wei Wuxian until he'd have no other choice but to go on the offensive (which is what he did.)

Turns out even being sooo powerful that he could shake mountains, he eventually died.

Yet, at such a place, nobody would listen to his protests. Sitting before him were two villains who already treated him as though he were dead. What they enjoyed was precisely his dying struggle. Smiling, Jin GuangYao leaned back, waving his hand, “Hush him up, hush him up.”

"You shut them in live?"

Xue Yang turned around, curling his lips, “Wei WuXian never used live humans, but I wanna try.”

So, Xue Yang is an actual demonic cultivator who's protected by the Jins, murdered 2 entire clans and this is the third one and godness knows how many more. Absolutely very few people give actual fucks about what cultivation methods to employ. The one who really cared was perhaps, Lan Wangji.

Jin Guangyao as you can see isn't being "forced" to kill people because he's of lower birth and nobody accepts him :(

He's killing people to silence those who speak against his and his father's (and they both are one and the same entity. he's acting on his father's orders which he could've disobeyed and run away but he would lose his sect reputation and standing.)

Why does his reputation and standing mean more than the lives of all these 70 people ?

Were they trying to kill him? No.

Did they attack him first to the point he would lose his life? No.

Would they have thrown him into a whore house? No.

Let us please not compare Wei Wuxian and Jin Guangyao.

MXTX wants us to know what's said and told may not be right. Wei Wuxian isn't fond of the techniques that are used to confirm Jin Guangyao's demise. He's critical of how nobody else is concerned. He's unsure of what NHS's motivations are - does he now want complete power? or did his plan only extend up to his revenge? He's critical of how only yesterday people were all over this guy and today they hate him. Critical of how society works on what is favourable and not what is true.

But he's not SUPPORTIVE of Jin Guangyao. He's sympathetic to people turning onto you, but not empathetic towards Jin Guangyao. He believes Jin Guangyao to be a cruel man.

Those are two different things.

Nobody knows better than Wei Wuxian how it feels to be set up at every step:

1. Firstly he was used as a punching bag for Madam Yu and an emotional one for JC throughout his childhood

2. The Wens completely played him up, setting him as the cause of LP's fall.

3. Then, he was played by the Jins and the cultivation world until his death by validating JC's jealousy against him, by villianizing him and estranging him, by setting up the ambush, by sending JZX, by making false promises, by not checking for validity, by controlling Wen Ning, by setting up the seige parade, by getting JYL there, and finally the seige. (even after his death disrespecting his all)

4. He was brought back to the world on the revenge plans of NHS and tossed like a tennis ball from the plans of NHS and JGY. Yi City arc? children would've died -> NHS. Burial Mound seige 2.0? everyone would've died -> JGY. if LWJ wasn't with him at every step of the way, Wei Ying would've once again been in such a spot. Without any status or authority he would've gotten no help, no aid, and been villianized once more. He would've been stabbed and captured with nobody to save him. He would've made himself the bait without anybody to fight the monsters off.

Each of us have individual capacities and also, each of us have the one thing we cannot let happen:

1. Wei Ying can't let injustice prevail and sit by the side doing nothing

2. Jin Guangyao can't take in being stripped of power and being a lowlife again.

Those are two very different things. JGY made every decision he could to escape his grand fear, which was personal. I don't condemn his motivations personally cause I find them hot. Similar to how I find his character hot. Yet, he's not the hero on the opposite spectrum. He's not the lowlife who was killed because people can't handle people from lower birth statuses being on the top chairs for making decisions - but that is also true - but is not the reason behind his tragedy. Not the sole reason and also not the most important reason.

The most important reason is as it is said: he believes himself to be different and values his life over others, similar to Xue Yang. Their personalities vary greatly, yet his "true" friends were Xue Yang and Su She. (He showed glimpses of the truth and of his reality to LXC. So, he's hiding the truth and LXC doesn't wish to dig deeper anyways thus not a true friendship.) One wished to take revenge in extremely unfair shares, a clan for a finger. A clan for a son. The entire cultivation world could die but he couldn't be badmouthed or put on trial or killed. The other - Su She, wished to be recognized by those who he equally hated, despised and considered arrogant and also was jealous and envious of. So, these two traits - great desire for revenge onto everyone who's ever said anything mean about him, and the desire for power. You may argue how this developed from his childhood trauma but you can't argue that this justifies his cold blooded crimes because it doesn't. Another thing I'd like to add is that, his friendship with Lan Xichen also shows his personality; not wanting to take the messy, big path (such as showing up to your own death planning party, or planning a death party) and his relatively calm nature. Yet just like the friendship it is fragmented and fake; a composure that is stuck onto the cold, and hot brimming desire for power.

There was one character who had to kill a large number of people or would have no other option left and it wasn't Jin Guangyao. There was one character who was hated by society solely because of his background and his desire to protect people and it wasn't Jin Guangyao. There was one character who had to give up everything for what he believed in and it wasn't Jin Guangyao. There was one character who ended up being the indirect reason for the passing of loved siblings due to the unjust society.

and it wasn't Jin Guangyao.

(but there were two characters who had confirmed sex before marriage. one of them was Jin Guangyao)

#mo dao zu shi #mdzs #mdzs meta #wei wuxian #jin guangyao #xue yang slaughtered 2 clans and was protected by the jins #xue yang #cultivation world bullshit #jin zixuan #wei ying #burial mounds #wen remnants #my meta #my thoughts #my essays

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jiangyanlissidepiece · 5 months

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Lan WangJi a better man than me, bc I for one would never find it in my heart to forgive my brother for allowing GENOCIDE

#lan wangji #lan xichen #twin jades #wangxian #wen remnants #wen qing #wen ning #lan yuan #wen yuan #wei wuxian #mo dao zu shi #mdzs

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rkivees · 4 months

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Someone on TikTok saying JC doesn't hate WWX he's just upset because WWX keeps "doing what he shouldn't like helping the Wens" I SWEAR it was written just like this.

Imagine having the audacity to save innocent people (who also saved you before), imagine being a good person instead of a selfish prick.

#it always gets me that that are people out there that dont get that wwx saving the wen was the right thing to do #how dare wwx save civilians and doctors how dare he be a good person!!!!!!!!#yall ridiculous im sorry #wei wuxian #wen remnants #canon jiang cheng #mo dao zu shi #mdzs

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emingx · 6 months

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sorry but saying "don't bring politics" into mdzs is crazzzy. so anyway heres the paper that i submitted as my final last semester analyzing the politics of mdzs as they pertain to THE ACTUAL REAL WORLD since apparently some of y'all missed the entire point of the novel lol.

if the formatting is shit its bc i had to take all identifying information out of it and reformat it from word to make it accessible.

#mo dao zu shi #mdzs #mxtx novels #mxtx #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #fandom #fanfic #media analysis #wei wuxian #lan wangji #wei ying #lan zhan #wei wuxian x lan wangji #wen ruohan #wen remnants #meta #meta analysis #mdzs meta

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acemdzsfan · 5 months

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Wei Wuxian: I'd rather be kind than good.

Wen Qing:.... I mean, fair, but it's also way too early for this.

Wei Wuxian *pouting*: it's never too early for discussions of moral dissections!

Wen Qing: nightmares again?

Wei Wuxian:... *sigh*... Yeah.

#the untamed #mo dao su zhi #mdzs #wei wuxian #wen qing #wen remnants #fun times in the burial mounds

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righteousinadversity · 2 years

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The slaughter of the Wen Remnants and Wei Wuxian's death is an incredibly good tragedy - It is heart-wrenching, horrific, and is arguably the biggest subversion in the book.

And the reason it works, the essence of what makes it such a good tragedy is that there seem like millions of moments where a single character could have made a different choice and everything could have ended up better but also, at the end of it, nothing could ever really stop this terrible end - it will happen, it is inevitable.

And it comes down to the other characters and the choices they make - the choices they have the power to make. At a million points starting right from the moment Wei Wuxian interrupts the Jin Banquets, asking for Wen Ning, every person in power had the opportunity, ability and moral obligation to do something - to do better. And not one of them takes the chance to.

Jiang Cheng could have chosen to protect the Wens, grant them a place to live and called upon his life-debt as an excuse to the other sects. Nie Mingjue and Lan Xichen and any other sect leader could have looked into the matter, investigated beyond the gossip they shared in the golden halls of Koi Tower. Jin Guangshan could have chosen not to instigate the rumors and chase after power at the cost of human lives. They all could have done better, listened better, when they slaughtered two innocents and then swore to slaughter more.

But would they have?

Jiang Cheng, who wielded hatred like a sharpened blade, who was so driven by his raging need to win over Wei Wuxian, who cared little for debts when they did not benefit him? Nie Mingjue, who thought every Wen as reprehensible and criminal as Wen Ruohan himself? Lan Xichen, who was willfully blind and more bothered about holding up the ridiculous charades of politics than about human lives? Jin Guangshan, a man so wretched and power-hungry, that he cared not for his own son's death beyond how it may serve his agenda?

No. They would not have.

Would it have been different if it was Jin Zixuan leading the Jins, not a pinnacle of morality, but a nevertheless good man? If Jiang Yanli, who loved her shidi and offered a fierce corpse soup with her own hands led the Jiangs? If Nie Huaisang, who knew better than to listen to rumors, led the Nie? If Lan Wangji, who loved Wei Wuxian and sought him out. and saw why his love could not leave the path he chose and respected it, led the Lan?

Perhaps. Perhaps.

The tragedy of it all lies in this. It was not an impossible thing to ensure that the horrors would not happen - but the choices to be made to ensure it were in the hands of precisely the people who would never make those choices.

The ancient Greek playwrights used to have a saying, 'Character is Fate'. And this is what they meant.

These characters could have changed what happened. These particular characters would not have.

#mdzs #wei wuxian #wen remnants #anti cultivation world #cultivation world criticial #as always #nie mingjue critical #lan xichen critical #canon jiang cheng #this is why much of the BM arc fanfic disappoint me #more often than not characterization of many are thrown away in favor of a fix it #which I wouldn't mind much #if it were not accompanied by putting the fault upon wei wuxian #honestly much of the BM arc is really just - these assholes could do something about this #there is no way these particular assholes would though

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