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Okay so it might've been done for some other arbitrary reason and I'm just really overthinking it, but I think the fact the skeleton brothers are the only main Undertale characters that are never mentioned in some way in Undertale Yellow is actually super neat attention to detail! (Continued under the cut)
In Undertale Yellow, pretty much every single other Undertale main character is mentioned or eluded to in some way. Toriel and Asgore both get actual roles, Flowey is our guide and save point, Alphys is mentioned more than once and also shows up in a cutscene, a guy at the saloon goes on a whole rant about Mettaton, Undyne is mentioned a couple times and her spear attack is briefly seen during the neutral route, and even Muffets spider bake sale returns!
Sans and Papyrus are the only two who never get brought up, and the reason why is actually stated in Undertale. According to the bunny shopkeeper in Snowdin town, the skelebros 'just showed up one day and...asserted themselves'. They're never eluded to in Undertale Yellow because they hadn't shown up yet. No one had anything to say about them because they weren't known during that time; for all intents and purposes, they didn't exist yet. I think it's a super neat little detail!
The last thing I wanna mention is that one of the fun value events in Undertale Yellow actively acknowledges the existence of said fun value events, vaguely mentioning changes in geography and mysterious doors appearing in what sounds to me like a nod to the Undertale fun value event of the extra hallway & mysteryman/gaster(?) door in waterfall (though it's equally likely to be just a reference to room changing fun events in general, like the goner kid for example). Not necessarily anything to do with the enigmas that are Sans and Papyrus, but still an interesting little thing to keep in mind for all you theory makers and fanwork creators out there.
#undertale#undertale yellow#ut yellow#uty#papyrus#sans#sans undertale#papyrus undertale#papyrus the skeleton#sans the skeleton#toriel dreemurr#asgore dreemurr#alphys#undyne#mettaton#muffet#flowey#sans and papyrus#uty analysis#undertale yellow analysis#mystery man#wd gaster#analysis
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I might make some people mad, but I'm gonna say it, anyway.
So, Ceroba's reason for choosing Chujin over Star was because she wanted someone more mature. At least, that's my understanding. Star was playing cowboy and role-playing with his friends while she wanted to settle down and raise a family.
And... yeah, Star had a lot of growing up to do. And he did almost none of it until Ceroba stopped him from shooting us.
Star's main character flaw is his ego, but it's even worse than just an ego. Half the reason he set up the Wild East was to help everyone else. He wanted to bring in money to help his family when the Swelterstone's effects caused a drought; he wanted monsters to get a taste of what the surface is like so they don't drown in despair; and he wanted to make Ceroba happy after she lost both her husband and her child. All of this on top of feeling like he was a "nobody farmer" that couldn't do anything or help anyone.
So Star's primary character flaw isn't as simple as just having a big ego. His primary character flaw is trying to fix others as a way of fixing himself.
Sometimes this is a good thing, tho. I often think of Star as the "papa" of the Feisty Five. He's the protective one, he's the one teaching them ethics (reminding Mooch that they're not supposed to be bandits, playing dead to teach Clover about the responsibility of potentially hurting someone), he takes care of the town, he's made ALL his own money from this town that he built himself (enough that Mooch wants his inheritance, so it's a sizeable amount), he even gave his posse a designated nap time, gave Ceroba a home (and possibly gave her his bed while he crashes on the couch), sews his own clothes, set up all the rules and regulations... and I could go on, but I think I've made my point. Star is not wholly irresponsible. He's not perfectly responsible- he, and the rest of the posse, have a habit of breaking and losing Blackjack's weapons, they're all loud and rowdy, and they have a tendency to forget to turn off their boulder machines out in the Dunes.
So, yeah, Star does still have some growing up to do. But he's got a good start.
As for... everything that went wrong... That was entirely due to Star's worship of humanity. Star fell in love with westerns and with the justice and overall sense of romance that they portrayed, so much so that he not only tried to make himself into one of his western heroes, but he then extended this worship to the first human to ever set foot in the Dunes- namely, Clover. And because of this, Star completely threw everything that was good about himself out the window. He sees a human an immediately decides "this is my deputy," without even really giving Clover a fair chance to see if they even are deputy material. He forgot the safety glasses, got so worked up he forgot how to pronounce "duel," became extremely temperamental, apparently forgot that Vengeful Virgil was scheduled for the train mission that day, locked up a Royal Guard against her will (arguably committing treason in doing so, I might add), and just generally began running over everyone's words and emotions, including Ceroba's.
So when it came down to the Showdown... Star blamed Clover. Star's not an idiot. He knows good and well it's not Clover's fault. It's Star's fault- or more precisely, it's his worship of humanity that is to blame. But the problem is, he's taken it upon himself to guard the feelings of other monsters, to make them feel hope and joy. And he just screwed up and stole all that from them. So he's conflicted, not willing to admit that he has done the exact opposite of everything he set out to do. And since it's his worship of humans that led him to this point, he decides to blame the human.
Hence, the Showdown.
But he doesn't want to do it. He says himself, "Monsterkind's Hero is a title soaked in blood." He loves humans. And he sees Clover as a friend. He doesn't want to kill them. He's not a killer, and he doesn't want to be one. He doesn't believe in it. Justice is one thing, but... how is it just to kill someone that did nothing wrong?
So. Here's where Ceroba comes in. Telling Star he needs to calm down and go back to who he used to be. And Star points out that she's changed, too. Even Ceroba says, before taking Clover to the Steamworks, that she doesn't know if she has room to tell Star to go back to the Starlo she used to know.
Ceroba, tho, is no different than Star (this is the part that I said might make some people mad). Ceroba worships Chujin just as much as Star worships humans.
Ok, look. Chujin was a great craftsman. He built so much- furniture for Dalv, his and Ceroba's house, the space heater at the Honeydew Resort, many other items in use throughout the Underground, Kanako's toys (even programmed a video game for her), and so much more. So much that even Star respects him for all that he did for everyone.
However, there is also much that indicates that Chujin wasn't the best at his job. His only award is "You Tried at Engineering," and it took 14 tries for him to build a working robot. In Chujin's defense, I will say that it is impressive that he did build a working, sentient robot without the use of a SOUL, which is how Alphys made both Mettaton and Mew Mew; however, if Chujin is really such a genius, why did it take 14 tries to get Axis to work, when it apparently only took 1 try for Guardener?
And then Chujin didn't just stop with robotics, but went on to SOUL research. Two completely different fields. (And before anyone starts commenting on Alphys, I just want to point out, yet again, that both of the robots she built did use SOUL power; so, realistically, Alphys never was a great robotics genius, but rather, everything she did was a part of SOUL research- hence, the reason Asgore hired her as the Royal Scientist). But Chujin decided to press on with his SOUL research, despite there being no indication anywhere that he had ever done any such research before.
Now, I'm not trying to say that Chujin wasn't remarkable or a genius. I'm just pointing out some things that indicate that maybe he wasn't quite the genius that Ceroba wanted to make him out to be. And... Ceroba's reaction to his "You Tried" award. She's proud of him. More pride than what is warranted by such an award.
Ceroba said she met Chujin when he pretty much rescued her after she twisted her ankle, fell into a ditch, and laid there for several hours, unable to move. She also said that she had considered dating Starlo before meeting Chujin. So... hate me for this if you want to, but I feel like she may not have the best judgement when it comes to guys. Now, that's not to say she picked losers or creeps. Both Chujin and Starlo were/are sweethearts that care deeply about everyone around them. But the fact remains that Ceroba left behind the guy that she'd known all her life for a guy she just met, just because he rescued her from a bad situation.
And I'm not even saying she made a bad choice! By all accounts- including Ceroba's, Martlet's, and even Starlo's- Chujin was a good, kind-hearted, hard-working monster, and a wonderful husband and father. But... he wasn't perfect. And I think Ceroba, even though they had to have been married at least 10 years, just always had stars in her eyes where he was concerned. He was her everything. She believed he could do no wrong. She believed it so strongly, she was willing to do... many horrible things.
Ceroba's drive to kill Clover started with her love for Chujin. She wanted to do anything to keep him alive in her own heart. And when their child begged and pleaded for a chance to help, Ceroba agreed, because Kanako woshipped her father, too. Ceroba's misguided belief in her husband guided her to do things she would never have done otherwise.
Thus the reason for her guilt. It's not just guilt over killing her own child. It's also guilt over knowing that it was her own misguided worship of a monster that wasn't as perfect as she thought he was, that this was what led her to kill, and to kill again.
Ceroba worshipped Chujin. Just as Starlo worshipped the ground Clover walked on, Ceroba worshipped the ground Chujin walked on.
So when people point to Ceroba's comment that Starlo didn't grow up... yeah. She's right. Starlo needed to grow up.
But so did Ceroba.
One of the hardest parts of growing up is realizing that the people you worship are just people. They make mistakes, and you, yourself, are mistaken for believing they can do no wrong.
So, anyway. There's as much Staroba (Starfox, I call them) hatred as there is love for the ship. I've seen both sides of the argument: Starlo isn't mature enough; Ceroba is insane. Yeah. You're both right. And that's why they're perfect for each other. They both made the mistake of changing everything they were in an effort to continue worshipping their idols. They both went nuts. They were both driven to kill. This is the inherent danger of idolatry, believing so much in something that isn't real, that you will do anything to make it stay real to you.
#undertale yellow#starlo#ceroba#clover#my analysis#character analysis#starfox uty#chujin ketsukane#kanako ketsukane
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thinking about flowey resetting so many times to get the souls from asgore and how many times he must have seen what happened with ceroba... part of me wonders if clover ever did get to the true lab at some point and discovered who flowey is. flowey said he exhausted every possibility to get the souls and it would be really interesting if he let clover find out he's asriel for the sake of that, or if clover found out and flowey decided to just see how to plays out. it would be really interesting to see clover's thoughts on chara and what they might think about flowey being asriel, especially given how strongly they feel about the other kids dying in the no mercy route, and how chara plays as a parallel to them in the pacifist route. kids who are willing to give up their soul to save monsters and whatnot
but anyway it's really funny to me that when flowey doesnt want clover to go to the lab he just. says this. like ahahaaa what thats crazyyy theres nothing interesting there ! i love flowey so much i need to get better at drawing him so i can draw the sillies
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fellow clover-flowey dynamic enjoyer. what makes you like em so much?
Their dynamic,
HERE ME OUT….
Warning: misspelled words and grammar.
Spoilers ahead!
LIKE- FLOWEY…
AINT NO WAY YOUR JUST GOING TO THROW CLOVER ASIDE AFTER PACIFIST?? YOUR LITERALLY LOSING THE ONLY PERSON WHO BROUGHT THE GOOD IN YOU…(EVEN IF IT WAS FAKE…)
IM AWARE THAT CLOVER IS NEEDED FOR YOUR PLAN TO BE GOD OR WHATEVER, BUT DID YOU ATLEAST CARE ABOUT THEM? SURELY YOU HAVE LIKE THOUGHT THAT IF YOUR BESTIE, YOUR ‘PAL,’ YOUR FRIEND. WAS ABLE TO SEE YOUR GOAL.
LIKE
HOLY MACARONI THEY’VE HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL.. LIKE, LIKE AUUGHHHHH FLOWEY AND CLOVERS PLATONIC FRIENDSHIP DYNAMIC IS SO FANFICABLE, YOU COULD LITERALLY WRITE AU’S ABOUT THIS STUFF WHILE ALSO STILL FOCUSING ON THE UTY CAST… Flowey really reset the timeline so they could be ‘pals’ again. FLOWEY RESET SO THEY COULD PRETEND TO BE PARTNERS(PLATONIC) AGAIN…
"oh who am i kidding? until we met again, friend"
what if i krill mysekf—
YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE VISION I HAD WHEN CREATING THAT REVIVED AU, I WANTED FLOWEY TO NOT BE ALONE ANYMORE FOR THEY HAVE FINALLY HAVE SOMEONE THAT STILL CARES ABOUT THEM.
LIKE… POTENTIAL FLOWEY REDEMPTION ARC?? LIKE I CHECK AO3 AND WATTPAD TO SEE THEM BUT NO AVIAL…
THEIR FRIENDHSIP MAKES ME CRY OKAY.
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Undertale Yellow True Pacifist spoilers //
things i noticed.
Around 3:13 in the UTY OST “Gift”, it starts to slow down a bit. In the last ten seconds of the song, I think it sounds a lot like the track “Good Night” from Undertale. But while Good Night ends on that final note, Gift doesn’t. It stops right before that note, ending in silence.
It’s a peaceful ending for Clover, but one they had to sacrifice themselves for. it’s not an ending where everyone is happy or free, but it is the happiest they could have gotten. just one step, one note away from that happiness- one SOUL away.
Another thing- we hear the track “Undertale” in New Home, while learning about the story and memories of Asriel and Chara. but “Undertale Yellow” is a *credits* track. in true pacifist we never make it to new home- we never get that far, because it wasn’t meant to be. instead we see the stories of the friends we made along the way as they were changed by our journey, and *we* become the memory that is preserved through our friends.
#uty#ut yellow#undertale yellow#i don’t know what to tag this…#clover uty#uty clover#i guess#this makes me really really sad#liiittle analysis i guess#just things i noticed#starlos hat
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I find the idea interesting that Clover came to the dungeon for their goal of finding the 5 missing children for justice. But in their very first run, they completely stopped following it because Toriel offered them something they didn't have:
No abusive parenting, no river living conditions where they aren't forced to do all the dirty work.
What comes out of this is that Clover doesn't present a brave hero that decided to bring justice to the most backwater corner of the Earth as a self-sacrifice. They are just as victimized by circumstances of injustice and perhaps Clover wanted to find a purpose to follow, to escape from home. It's unlikely they wanted to kill themselves, they just hoped to...find themselves?
Yikes
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Genocide/Vengeance Axis makes me so sad, especially with the context that he remembers killing Integrity and yet genuinely did not want to do so.
Look at the scene where he talks to you behind the door. He tells Clover, "I know why you are here. But I can explain."
He thinks this is all his fault. He thinks Clover is going on their rampage because of him. The reason he reveals he killed Integrity during the final fight isn't because he misspeaks or anything...He says it because he thinks Clover already knows and is genuinely trying to explain himself. Axis is more intelligent and "alive" than the other robots...But he does lack total free will. He can be forced to do things by his programming, and he dislikes that. Killing Integrity was one of those things. And it's him incorrectly assuming that Clover would try to understand that is the reason he gets killed.
#utdr#uty#undertale yellow#ut yellow#uty axis#ough i love him#unsurprising given i have an ask blog for him but oh well#character analysis
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⚠️🚨WARNING UTY SPOILERS AHEAD🚨⚠️
Clover is such an interesting character and silent protagonist. They are selfless, compassionate, kind, brave, and most importantly they are just. All of this is shown through the actions they take throughout all the routes and the little bits of dialogue we get. That being said, I want to put them under a microscope and analyze their whole being, dissecting them one by one till I understand how we can get so much personality from this little guy.
For today's analysis, I'm going to be using Canary in a Coal Mine by The Crane Wives (one of my favorite songs) to help put my thoughts in a coherent way and because I personally think that it suits Clover well. The song is rather short since it mostly comprises of instrumental sections with little bits of lyrics in between them which honestly does remind me of Clover and their very few sections of dialogue.
Right off the bat, the second verse of the song hits us with,
"But I still hold out hope that maybe someday,
I'll be worth more than all the silence left in my way".
Before I get into how that relates to Clover, I'm going to first explain how I interpret Clover's past. During the game, little hints of Clover's past are given when interacting with certain objects, such as the couch and TV in the Feisty Five's house and the sink at the Ketsukane mansion. When interacting with the TV and couch, we can infer that Clover's living conditions were not the greatest with them being reminded of cramped living spaces and having their favorite channel be static. On the other hand, when interacting with the sink, they are reminded of the duties they used to have back on the surface and the people they used to live with. All of these small hints lead me to believe that Clover came from a dysfunctional family who did not have the proper capabilities to support a child, this could have resulted in Clover being neglected and having to grow up to be independent.
This conclusion is supported by the fact that Clover when given the opportunity to, chooses to stay in the Underground with the exception of Pacifist. The two monsters who ask them to stay are Toriel, as shown by Flowey during the Neutral route and the secret ending that you can get if you stay for more then 5 minutes in the room you fell down in after pulling the lever, and Martlet in the Neutral route and Pacifist route. These are both characters who show and give Clover positive attention. I find it hard to believe that a child who climbed Mt. Ebott to find the five missing children and has the soul of justice would give up their mission that easily if they weren't starved from affection and attention.
This verse easily relates to Clover going to the Underground not only to seek justice for the fallen humans but also to be recognized and be given the attention they crave, whether it's by returning the missing children or by the monsters that lay below.
"Feed me promises, keep my heart well,
I'll sing you songs until the darkness does recede"
Can easily be connected to Clover just by playing the game. "Feed me promises, keep my heart well," can be seen through the way most of the main UTY cast promises or tells Clover that they'll help them to get back on the surface such as Martlet, but I relate this particular lyric to Ceroba, especially during the Steamworks.
Ceroba throughout the Steamworks tells Clover of Kanako, Chujin, and her supposed plan of rescuing Kanako from the lab which is the reason Clover even goes through Steamworks during Pacifist (and Neutral if you kill Axis) aside from the fact that it's the only way to get to New Home. She tells all of this to Clover when in truth her actual plan was to steal their soul to hopefully heal Kanako after she fell down and got sent to the lab. Clover has no clue of this and during the trip, Ceroba keeps them safe and even helps them on several occasions such as fending off Axis.
"I'll sing you songs until the darkness does recede" connects to Clover constantly assisting Ceroba in puzzles, exploration, and in battle (Guardener's fight). Additionally, this also applies to the other events before this where Clover helps other monsters in their problems in the mines and around the Honeydew Resort (if you did the side quest of getting the silver bandana).
"But if in the end I lose my voice
Will you forget about your love for me?"
This hurts me to think about since it's so angsty but let's get on with it. This very obviously can be applied to Clover thinking that without their supposed 'usefulness' they would be discarded and returned to being ignored. This especially when they find out about Ceroba's true plan and Chujin's tape, all regarding their soul and how it could save Kanako and help monsterkind regain their freedom. During this, Clover is hurt but at this point they've made up their mind. At this point of the game, I believe Clover already knows what the end of their journey holds and what they're going to do.
After Ceroba's fight and in the True Pacifist ending as the cast is arguing on how they can keep Clover, Clover decides to sacrifice their soul, their very being, their use. To bring justice to monsterkind and help in bringing them closer to the surface, they give up their soul. This was their purpose and if they didn't do this, they would've been useless. After all, this was the reason why Ceroba befriended them and why Martlet tried to capture them. Seven human souls are needed and they are the sixth. They most likely think that if they weren't human, Starlo wouldn't be interested in them.
"And when you break the surface, oh, without me
Please don't return me to the dark of all the memories, yeah"
This one is self explanatory and the lyric that hurts me the most when I think about Clover with this song. Clover's sacrifice is essential to freeing the monsters and that means they would not be able to join the rest of the cast. Despite this, they still choose to give up their soul, giving them the chance to see the rising sun that has been stolen away from them all those centuries ago. I don't think any of the UTY cast would forget about their selfless sacrifice post UT True Pacifist when the barrier is broken.
"Know that all my love will be your breath
I will save you when your lights go out"
Again, this could apply to the UTY cast but I raise another scenario. It could be aimed towards Frisk calling for help and Clover answering the call, saving Frisk from Flowey when they had no one to turn to. This is canon in both UT and UTY seen in the post end credits scene of the True Pacifist route.
Thank you for reading me yap about Clover and one of my favorite songs for like 1.2k words and I hope you understand where I'm coming from when I say this song is so Clover-coded. Also @loud-whistling-yes I hope you enjoy this analysis and I once again repeat, YOU ARE SO RIGHT AND YOU GET ME!!
#undertale yellow#uty#i hope this is comprehensible because i wrote this at like 3 am and very sleep deprived#I'll edit the post later with my screenshots#uty clover#clover uty#undertale yellow clover#uty analysis#character analysis#uty spoilers#undertale yellow spoilers#clover analysis#the crane wives#canary in a coal mine#i might make this a series where i just analyze characters and dynamics i like with songs
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One of these days I'll expand on this, but HOLY CRAP I cannot imagine the betrayal Starlo must've felt if you kill Ceroba in Flawed Pacifist. This guy, this monster who idolized humans and was so ecstatic to see one that he had them join his posse, killed his best friend. And, just, that's gotta hurt MORE than when she git married to Chujin, because despite his broken heart, she was at least THERE. She was ALIVE.
Here she's not.
Despite her willingness to die, Starlo hates you once you kill her. And part of it is how close they were before she was killed. The other part is the fact you basically betrayed him. You had no inclination to kill anyone beforehand. Heck you probably didn't even SHOOT anyone (unless you were me and was pissed at Axis).
All that training, all that bonding, the fact he stopped you and gave you that Deputy badge, said that he was PROUD of you. Suddenly all down the drain because now his best friend is gone. I cannot even fathom how that must've felt. Like no wonder he sees you less than dirt, you killed his friend and broke his trust. No longer are you his Deputy, even if you wanted to go back to the Wild East. Actually that would likely be a bad idea, he just would not like you around.
Also it's such an interesting contrast of, "yes you're safe in the law, but personally I do not want to see you again." Just, hoough love that!
Have no idea how to end this, so, yeah holy crap Starlo absolutely hates you in Flawed Pacifist
#i have no doubt that he would've wanted to absolutely DECK you#but because law and whatnot. he couldnt do anything#ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WERE ABSOLUTELY ROBBED OF A STARLO GENOCIDE FIGHT#like AUGH i can rant about this later but HOO it grinds my gears#anyway#the cake doth speak#🌵💫#Starlo#ceroba#starlo uty#ceroba uty#undertale yellow#uty#flawed pacifist#uty flawed pacifist#this turned out better so i mught not talk about it later XD#analysis#uty analysis
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The opened coffins at the end of True Pacifist make me loose my gosh darn mind.
Like, there are two possibilities for this.
Toriel buried the bodies after the end of True Pacifist (like she did with Chara.)
Asriel returned the SOULs to their bodies and brought the humans to life.
Each has its own problems.
If Toriel buried the humans, where did she bury them?
I know, you could say "oh somewhere you don't go in the game" but idk.
Why were the coffins left open? I mean I guess its to show us that they've been opened because otherwise we wouldn't know.
If Asriel brought the humans to life that adds more problems.
Where did they go? Did they just leave for the surface right away? Nobody noticed them come to life? Undertale's cast was there after all, so maybe the humans left before the cast woke up, or maybe Asriel said goodbye to the humans before returning all the SOULs to the monsters?
Wouldn't their bodies be decayed/rotten? (I know this could be hand-waved by "Asriel just healed their bodies because he had the power of 7 SOULs" but again, idk)
Doesn't this seem like too happy to just hand-wave away their deaths? I can see why that would be appealing, especially for those who've finished UTY but again idk.
This entire thing has been unable to leave my mind because the "Toriel buried them" option makes the most sense, but I cannot 100% discount the "Asriel raised the humans from the dead" option.
CURSE YOU TOBY FOX AND YOUR TENDENCY TO LEAVE THINGS UP FOR INTERPRETATION! (light hearted)
#undertale#undertale theory#undertale analysis#undertale spoilers#undertale yellow spoilers#uty spoilers#spoilers#undertale true pacifist#true pacifist#asriel#asriel dreemurr#the human souls#undertale human souls#6 souls#6 human souls#reblog#posts from tigerbear's tumblr
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some thoughts on UTY aspects
clover is a mind player (mind's association with justice, right/wrong, logic, the superego, morality, etc. mostly basing this assumption on terezi since we don't have many other mind players to draw from)
dalv is a space player (associated with isolation and creation, the "reclusive artist" archetype is 100% space-coded plus the corn he grows accounts for the association space has with nature and gardening)
martlet is either a breath player (scatter-brained, air-headed bird girl who is a self-admitted freeloader and struggles to hold down anything stable or concrete) or maybe a hope/rage player? (something about her faith being shaken in every route you play, in neutral her belief in clover's goodness being wrecked by flowey, in genocide her belief in humanity as a whole being crushed by clover and in pacifist her faith in the royal guard & judicial system being destroyed after everything she sees on her journey to the point she resigns)
starlo is 100% a heart player (his entire character arc revolves around him being lost in a persona he creates for himself, clear-cut heir of heart tbh)
ceroba is a blood player (does this even need an explanation? the woman whose entire story arc is based around continuing her family's legacy, saving her daughter and depending on route avenging her best friend? yeah okay)
axis is somewhere in the heart-mind dichotomy (he's an "emotionless" robot whose entire characterisation revolves around him being very emotional and aggravated, you literally win his boss fight by turning him on for fuck's sake)
#undertale yellow#uty#clover uty#uty dalv#martlet#starlo#ceroba ketsukane#axis uty#undertale#homestuck#homestuck analysis#classpecting#mind aspect#space aspect#breath aspect#hope aspect#rage aspect#heart aspect#blood aspect
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BTW, did anyone else notice that Starlo's a lefty? Just like (most versions of) Link.
Not just in the art, btw. They actually mention it: "Starlo's left hand is shaking."
It always intrigues me whenever a character is drawn as being left-handed. Since most people are right-handed, many artists tend to draw characters as right-handed. The decision to draw someone as left-handed is usually a conscious one. And especially in Star's case. Now, I know very little about Clint Eastwood, I've never even seen any of his movies. But I do know (thx to Back to the Future 3 and an episode of Supernatural) that the poncho and the music and few other things in Star's design are references to Eastwood (I wouldn't have the faintest clue which movie, tho). So I checked and it looks like Eastwood is right-handed.
So the decision to make Star left-handed was a conscious and deliberate one. They weren't just copying Eastwood there.
It always stands out to me when someone is left-handed, because I've always been fascinated by the idea that lefties are especially creative. This does hold true in Star's case- I mean, the guy built the entire Wild East based off a few old gunslinger movies.
I wish I knew how to reach out to the devs. All I knew to do was leave a comment on GameJolt. And I'm not on Twitter or anything like that. My best guess is that Star's designer might be a leftie, and they based Star on that. Or perhaps it's a reference to a different character.
At any rate, whether it's a reference, or has some meaning, or whatever, I think it's a very cool detail. Star has a very big personality, he's someone you simply cannot ignore, and frankly, I think he's just plain cool, anyway. Making him a leftie just made him that much more unique.
EDIT: I was so goshdarn curious, I sent an ask to the official Tumblr for UTY. Crossing my fingers and hoping they reply.
#starlo#undertale yellow#my opinon#my analysis#i might have a slight obession with starlo#i might also be making myself worry about myself just a little ehehe
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Look, no matter what he did or said, I'm actually having a hard time hating Chujin. And a lot of that is because of Martlet.
So, I don't know what Marty's home life was like growing up, but she clearly has very low self-esteem. She talks about depression all the time in a very cheerful and upbeat tone: "Break down my self-esteem into rubble!" "Crush my mental health under your boot like a bug!" I can't help wondering if she's dealt with depression. I would guess this is her coping mechanism- similar to how Papyrus turns every insult back around so it doesn't sink in, Marty tries to make her mental health into a joke so she isn't harmed by it. And while she does know that her puzzles and all her work isn't really all that good, she doesn't want to let it get her down.
And I think Chujin was a part of that. Chujin is a master craftsman. He builds houses, he makes furniture, he builds sentient robots, he's a scientist, he programmed a video game about the surface, he made toys for Kanako. He took Marty under his wing (I can hear Marty saying, "well, figuratively- I'm the one with wings, he had fur!") and tried to teach her everything he knew. And she was so close to him, she says he was like a father to her.
I kind of wonder if maybe Chujin was the first person to be truly kind to Marty or give her any praise or encouragement.
On top of this, everyone says Chujin was very kind to monsters. He built furniture for Dalv, donated the space heater to Honeydew Resort, made a lot of things for a lot of people.
Even Star says this about him:
This is the guy who's always resented Chujin for stealing Ceroba out from under his nonexistent nose. Not to mention the current situation. And even he can admit that Chujin was a good person outside of this human business.
Anyway, where humans were concerned, Chujin was just plain blind. He already resented humanity for locking all monsters Underground (nothing that most other monsters don't already feel). And then one of them had the nerve to break into their home and attack his child's friend, while his own child was standing nearby. So, like... yeah, Chujin's attitude was wrong, but I can't say I blame him. In every other way, he seemed to be very nice. Protective, even. Maybe his blind hatred for humanity was just a part of that protective nature getting twisted.
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HI WATCH OUT FOR UNDERTALE YELLOW SPOILERS . ANYWAY
watched the ut yellow neutral end and ohhh i am losing my MIND... just. thinking about how flowey is only willing to move on in the true pacifist route. the route where he sees kindness and a genuine want to help others in a human child. asriel died to save humans because of the people he was surrounded with. toriel asgore and chara are people who feel very strongly for those around them and he couldn't take human lives when the only human he knew was chara. a kid who cares enough about the people around them to sacrifice themself, just like the way his parents are.
flowey comments on toriel letting herself go because she cares so much and how we wouldn't have to feel so bad if we simply didn't care. his whole coping mechanism is distancing himself from others and Not Caring because if he allows himself to feel it'll just completely destroy him. he felt for the humans on the surface even when they were attacking him and the way he treats clover in neutral vs pacifist says a lot about his want to see good in others.
hes constantly pushing frisk to go with options that benefit everyone and while he worries about clover caring about those around him he seems to really appreciate it. at any moment he could just do whatever he wants with clover's life. the only route in which flowey allows them to make their own choices with their life is when they're being a good person and he just can't help but call them a friend because that's the type of person he's always wanted to be around. that's the type of person that's home to him!!
and i keep thinking about how he just couldn't let clover live out their life with toriel in the ruins. something something toriel trying to make up for feeling like she failed asriel and chara and flowey feeling replaced and clover being stuck in a small place for the rest of their life. i have thoughts on this that i don't know how to put into words but i'm not at all surprised flowey wasn't okay with that. of Course he wasn't. hes flowey. he has every issue ever. i think that allowing clover to live with toriel would make flowey feel like he really has to accept that he can't just go back to the past and he's not ready to come to terms with anything that's happened yet
flowey always insists he doesn't care and he can't feel as a result of his trauma but it's so clear from his regret and fondness for people who are compassionate that compassion is something he always strives for. even though he doesn't understand and can't understand it's always something he wants to see in others. it hurts to be compassionate and to love others and it's why he blocks it out but at the end of the day he's the same person who sacrificed himself and his sibling to save who knows how many people both in the underground and surface, and the same person who let go of what he believed to be the only way he could stay "himself" for the sake of freeing monsters.
he's such a fascinating character... his mind and heart are at war with each other and i love how undertale yellow goes into this with the way they portray how he reacts to clover's death in the pacifist route. "maybe you've earned your rest" and calling them a friend after trying to act tough... he really respects when others are truly kind despite what some might consider common sense. i don't know where i'm going with this anymore but i hope u guys get it. just imagine i am gripping ur shoulders and pointing at flowey frantically
#flowey#flowey the flower#asriel#asriel dreemurr#undertale yellow spoilers#undertale yellow#undertale#utdr#utdr analysis
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Chujin is clearly pretty smart so why did he get shamed horribly and why did all of his projects failed.
Not only the obvious award “You Tried in Engineering” but how in official transcripts and records he’s called “Mr. Chujin” instead of Dr. Ketsukane. He is completely disrespected.
But Axis is straight up revolutionary and he stood the test of time better than almost every other robot there, so what happened?
Personally I headcanon he was a slow worker for one reason or another, and was extremely pressured by the environment of the Steamworks, who were always trying to make something new and better as soon as possible, especially as they spiraled towards being decommissioned. If you look at the records describing Chujin’s work with Axis he’d be churning out new models within months of each other. He probably wasn’t given time to work on them, and felt even more pressured, albeit much more indirectly, by Asgore to make up for past mistakes and finally prove he was more than just Mr., that he knew what he was doing and he was skilled. He wanted to impress his coworkers and earn his wife’s respect for him.
This right here is why he wouldn’t tell her he was fired. He knows she thinks highly of him and his intelligence and he wants so bad to keep it that way. That, and his own stubbornness, is why he kept working on Axis after losing his job and having Asgore himself tell him to stop. He would prove he was smart, he would prove this would work, he would show everyone they were wrong about him.
So I think Axis ended up more developed than the ones that barely worked bc once it was an underground thing he had a lot more time to really deervelop him, and he did, that’s like a whole ass dude with a FULL personality and like dreams in there! I mean he made a robot smart enough to want love, to be like traumatized and have guilt, to feel lonely, hell, to think for himself and find loopholes in his own programming. Something to that extent isn’t really seen in the rest of the steamworks or even by UTR. Ceroba was right, he Was smart, he just wasn’t able to thrive at his job, crushed further by mounting disappointment, so he was discarded as practically useless.
But I think his pride and biases did deafen him to taking in some things that he probably should’ve listened to, like Asgore, as he’d learn later, bc he was so stubborn about succeeding. Perhaps some things would’ve been better laid to rest.
Just some thoughts, might share some more headcanon-y thoughts on Axis himself.
@lurkinghomonid bc they wanted credit ❤️ /nsrs (we talk to each other a lot about ut)
#uty#undertale yellow#chujin ketsukane#character analysis#undertale#thoughts#headcanon#theory#character thoughts#rambles#I love my crinegfail babygirls#I don’t usually talk my own thoughts on social media so 🫡#maybe I’ll just combust
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A certain song that describes (a hypothetical) Ceroba
Edit:
@engisanic pointed out there's literally a line in the pacifist route, right before Ceroba engages in battle:
"I almost wish you never showed up in the Wild East. Maybe then I could've continued to bury my sorrows in the Saloon."
Thanks for the correction! Original post below:
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I've been hooked on reading fanmade Undertale Yellow written works (i.e. fanfiction), and I notice there's a sort of headcanon(?) that mostly involve Ceroba getting drunk most of the time as a way to cope with grief.
Incidentally, while reading up on more fics, a certain song started playing, and I realized it does describe this aspect pretty well, so I'll be breaking the song's lyrics down and include some personal interpretations (though if anyone has some insights or info to add, that'd be great!)
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「思い出酒」
omoide zake
Memories (brought forth from sake)
by Sachiko Kobayashi (小林 幸子)
Feel free to listen to the song linked above in the title first—there's even a translation provided by the channel jpoptranslationsbyalulu, thought there are some nuances from other sources that I don't quite agree with (hence the personal interpretations).
Presuming that Ceroba does drink a lot, this song would make a lot more sense in that context—even more so that it's (modern) enka, a type of sentimental ballad where the song's theme often involves romance and bleak life themes, perhaps like heartbreak or loneliness. A love song of sorts in some ways.
If the underground had a karaoke box, I can imagine Ceroba singing to this.
With that, I'll be breaking down the song into stanzas and analyze each of them as follows:
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Japanese
Romaji
English (literal translation)
Let's start with the first stanza:
無理して飲んじゃいけないと
muri shite nonja ikenai to
"Do not force [yourself] to drink"
肩をやさしく抱きよせた
kata wo yasashiku dakiyoseta
Gently embraced the shoulder
Putting these two lines together, the nuance is that someone walked up to the singer (or speaker) and is warning her not to drink too much before pulling her into a gentle embrace.
It's interesting though that the second line is left ambiguous since there's nothing to specify who's doing the action (in this case, embracing their shoulder). As a result, some may interpret this as the speaker finding comfort and relief in the drink itself rather than a person.
Then again, the first line already indicates a sort of quote (と), so I think this was more in the literal sense of a stranger talking to the speaker.
You probably see where I'm going with this, but somebody (likely a certain sheriff) caught Ceroba over-drinking, and he's telling her to take it easy as he comforts her.
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The song heads straight to the chorus (where the first and third lines are repeated, so I'll focus on the second lines in future choruses):
あの人どうしているかしら
ano hito doushiteiru kashira
How is that person faring?
噂をきけばあいたくて
uwasa o kikeba aitakute
[I] want to meet them upon hearing those rumors
おもいで酒に酔うばかり
omoide zake ni you bakari
Only drunk in sake and memories
Being close friends, it's no surprise that your friend's wellbeing will be a constant in your thoughts, but the second line seems to indicate a pretty strong desire, a longing to see them just thinking about them, just hearing a single mention of their name.
If only we knew what Ceroba was really thinking... Hm.
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The second stanza:
ボトルに別れた日を書いて
botoru ni wakareta hi wo kaite
[I] write about the day I parted from the bottle
そっと涙の小指かむ
sotto namida no yubi kamu
and lightly bite my pinky wet with tears
It took a while for me to understand the 'bottle' part, but the speaker, who had such a strong tendency to lean towards drinking, is now putting a hold on drinking (parting from the bottle). Well, putting the sake bottle away anyway. Because the speaker is now drunk on something else: a certain feeling, a certain longing. A desire strong enough to put them off drinking (for even a day?) and long for this person it pains her.
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The second chorus is the same except for the middle second line:
あの人どうしているかしら
ano hito doushiteiru kashira
How is that person faring?
出船の汽笛ききながら
defune no kiteki kikinagara
I hear the steam whistle of the ship
おもいで酒に酔うばかり
omoide zake ni you bakari
as [I] get drunk on sake and memories
Perhaps the speaker is still drinking, but at least this one time, she seems to be pouring her heart into a letter.
Really, most of the lines here are self explanatory, but that changed line makes it feel more like a farewell, as if the person the speaker longs for is about to leave her, or go some place far from her reach.
Almost as if the beloved person just... you know.
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Third and final stanza before the last chorus:
いつかは忘れる人なのに
itsuka wa wasureru hito nanoni
Even if they're someone [I'll] forget one day
飲めば未練がまたつのる
nomeba miren ga mata tsunoru
When I drink, memories [of that person] will surface once again
It seems like the speaker has somehow managed to get over their problem... until they drink again. She's back to drinking. A relapse. Except this time, now there's an extra layer of heartbreak and longing.
Personally speaking, I don't really think about someone unless they're someone I wish I never met, or if it's a loved one who's... fallen. I think people don't really think about others until something bad happens. Either way, that relationship from earlier seems to have crumbled and is now only a memento for life (which the speaker may or may not choose to remember).
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The final chorus with this line changed to:
あの人どうしているかしら
ano hito doushiteiru kashira
How is that person faring?
くらしも荒れたこのごろは
kurashi mo areta kono goro moNeglecting [my] life these days,
おもいで酒に酔うばかり
omoide zake ni you bakari
[I am] drunk in nothing but sake and memories
Back to square one, but it's reached a point where she just doesn't really care about her life or current state anymore, and the only seeming comfort is her initial solution: to drink and lose herself in long gone days and sake.
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Well, all of this is just a what-if analysis so it may not even apply to canon.
Also, I just noticed the beginning of the song just sounds very North Star. Starlo-ish. Hehe.
Time to write a fic involving this song.
Edit 2:
Just realized this song applies to Chujin as well
#undertale yellow#ceroba ketsukane#thoughts#song analysis#// I still think they're friends but that's what fics are for#// don't let that stop anyone from shipping tho
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