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The club isn't the best place to find a lover so the cult is where I go...
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Plus One For All
so guys. can we talk about how there’s somebody chilling out inside of Katsuki’s mind who’s not supposed to be there.
hello there Mister All Might Vestige sir. you should not exist, just FYI. you’re not some Nighteye-type plot hallucination. because if you were, you would not be appearing here as Cloud Might, a version of yourself whom Katsuki has never met and has no frame of reference for. ergo he did not imagine you. ergo you are, in fact, real.
which means Katsuki has One For All.
because that’s the only way he could have a Vestige -- which is indisputably what this is -- inside of him. he has OFA. so. where did he get it. how does he have it. and why is it only making its presence known now.
let’s discuss.
okay so I’m going to try and lay this all out as clearly as possible while also attempting to be as succinct as I can. but knowing me, I’m probably going to wind up sacrificing the latter in pursuit of the former. I’ll do my best though. here goes.
1. Heroes Rising is canon.
which is a fact we’ve recently been reminded of not once, but twice -- first with the appearance of Katsuma and Mahoro in chapter 405, and then in chapter 406 with the “Bakugou no Kacchan” callback. the timing of this almost certainly isn’t coincidental. Horikoshi wants this to be fresh in our minds.
mind you, it is extremely unusual for movies, even technically!canon ones, to actually be relevant to the plot. but BnHA may be one of the few exceptions. we’ve already seen movie 1 impact the series both with Star & Stripe’s backstory, and with Deku’s new gauntlets. so there’s precedent, and it’s something I am paying very close attention to.
2. Deku giving OFA to Bakugou is canon.
just in case anyone here hasn’t yet seen or been spoiled for Heroes Rising, that is in fact what happens in that film! so yeah, that certainly seems like an extremely relevant detail right about now.
3. we never found out why and how Deku got OFA back at the end of the movie.
okay so I was looking for a clip to link before we discuss this next part, but I unfortunately couldn’t find one that hadn’t been edited to avoid copyright issues, so you’ll just have to make do with this.
skip ahead to about 7:10 for the relevant part. for the purposes of this theory, we’re just going to ignore everything All Might says here, because tbh he has no fucking clue what’s actually going on and is just guessing wildly lol. however, I do want you to take note of one thing which will be important later. and that’s the fact that, when OFA “returns” to Deku’s body, it’s only his body which starts glowing, and notably not Kacchan’s. the latter just keeps lying there unglowingly. nothing to indicate any kind of transfer is actually happening between him and Deku, in other words.
moving on.
4. OFA and AFO are probably the same quirk.
as summarized here and here. which is relevant because if they are the same quirk, or close to it, then OFA can most likely do anything AFO can do. so file that away for later.
5. AFO was able to split his quirk and give it to Tomura while still keeping a piece of it for himself.
what’s more, he was able to do the same with Garaki/Ujiko’s quirk, and presumably other quirks as well. while it’s possible that this quirk duplication has nothing to do with AFO and is simply something Garaki was able to figure out using ~*~Science~*~, I think it’s more likely that the two of them used AFO’s quirk in some way to accomplish this feat. particularly since Tomura not only received AFO, but a bunch of its stored up quirkdata as well, such as the information stored in Ragdoll’s stolen Search quirk.
6. OFA responds to Deku’s feelings and desires.
or at least this is the case according to Banjou in chapter 213. recall this interesting conversation on how Deku first activated Blackwhip.
he was thinking that he wanted to capture Monoma, and so OFA obediently activated his “capture Monoma” quirk. despite him being unaware he even had said quirk. it responded to his need, even though he wasn’t consciously trying to activate anything.
now then, let’s revisit that scene in Heroes Rising one more time.
7. during the climax of Heroes Rising, Deku was NOT thinking, “I need to give OFA to Kacchan.”
here’s the scene one more time for reference. this time you’re gonna want to skip to about 3:57.
here’s where we are going to get extremely technical, because this scene right here is the key to everything. Deku’s lines in this scene are, and I quote: “a way we can protect [everyone]... there’s just one way...!” but he very notably does not specify exactly what that “one way” is.
until we get to this scene a minute or so later, which spells it out for us very clearly.
two One For Alls. as in, “with two One For Alls, we could win this battle and save everyone.”
that’s what he was thinking at the moment of the “transfer.” NOT, “give OFA to Kacchan.” but, “we need two One For Alls.”
which, I think, may have made all the difference.
8. OFA created a copy of itself to share with Kacchan, so that both of them could have OFA and use the two OFAs to defeat Nine.
let’s recap. OFA is AFO. AFO can clone itself. so it stands to reason that OFA can presumably clone itself as well. and that’s exactly what Deku wanted to do. make a second One For All.
he didn’t know that he could do that. but as previously established in the Blackwhip incident, OFA is more than capable of making its own executive decisions in key moments just like this in order to help him out.
which would mean that what we saw at the end of Heroes Rising was not OFA being transferred from Bakugou back over to Deku. it was actually just Deku’s OFA briefly self-activating (possibly in response to his delirious apology to All Might -- kind of a “no worries bro, you’ve still got your quirk actually, so go back to sleep and stop stressing over it” type of thing). and Kacchan’s OFA doing... absolutely nothing. it didn’t actually transfer back into Deku. it didn’t actually go anywhere.
let me repeat that: it didn’t actually go anywhere.
in other words, Kacchan still has OFA. and has had it ever since Heroes Rising. he just didn’t realize it. and neither did anybody else.
9. Kacchan’s OFA went dormant once Nine was defeated.
okay, so. remember all of this exposition from chapter 304?
basically, if someone who already has a quirk receives OFA, using it will slowly destroy their body until it kills them. the Vestiges learned this from All Might while he was researching the past generations of OFA in chapter 241, incidentally. Heroes Rising takes place right around this same time (immediately following MVA if I recall). so by the time the film’s climax rolled around, the Vestiges would have known that giving OFA to Kacchan could have devastating consequences down the line if they did not take action immediately after the fight.
so they did.
once Nine was defeated, the Vestiges shut the whole thing down. the crisis was averted, and they no longer had need of a second OFA. they have this boy who is way too similar to Deku in terms of his willingness to put himself in harm’s way in order to achieve his goals. and they absolutely do not want any harm befalling this boy. more on that momentarily.
so they go dark. and they even seal his memory so that he’s no longer aware of even having the quirk. they are essentially in sleep mode. and if circumstances hadn’t eventually become desperate enough to force their hand, they might have remained inactive for the rest of Katsuki’s life.
now, you might be wondering to yourself, “why is OFA willing to go to such unusual lengths in order to protect Katsuki?” and well, the answer to that is pretty simple.
10. Kacchan does not have the same version of OFA as Deku.
Deku is ninth gen. Katsuki, however, is tenth gen. which means that his version of OFA has one additional Vestige. a Vestige whose presence immediately explains why OFA is so goddamn determined to protect him at all costs.
:’)
long story short, while Deku’s version of OFA has proven itself all too willing to enable him in his increasingly suicidal mission, Katsuki’s version of OFA is very much a different story, on account of it being under the management of what I’m guessing is the most willful Vestige ever to exist. and said management being just the slightest bit unhinged when it comes to Katsuki’s safety in particular. seriously, you can’t tell me this is not exactly how a Deku!Vestige would behave. “oh hell no. no OFA for you!! and no memories either, because you can’t be trusted, goddammit. we never should have done this. what the hell were we thinking. if anything happens to him I will kill everyone in this room and then myself.”
so yeah. dormant.
right up until they literally couldn’t afford to be anymore.
11. OFA can self-activate in moments of crisis to protect its user.
Sports Festival. chapter 33. Deku vs. Shinsou.
aw yeah. it’s all coming together.
12. OFA reactivated itself in order to save Katsuki’s life.
I would now like to briefly draw your attention to this scene from chapter 405, in which Edgeshot explains how Katsuki was finally saved. please note my man is very clear that he did not restart Katsuki’s heart himself. he was basically just performing quirk CPR up until Katsuki’s own quirk returned him to life apropros of nothing.
“what brought you back... was the power you’ve honed.”
except... that should have been impossible. because Katsuki was dead. meaning he should not have been able to activate his quirk on his own, on account of the whole “being dead” thing.
however, if he by chance had a quirk with just enough of a mind of its own to activate in critical situations in order to help its user. situations like being forced under mind control. or, perhaps, being stabbed through the heart. well then. that would certainly go a long way towards explaining all of this.
and oh hey, when exactly was it that we saw this guy, again?
oh? it happened at the exact moment when his heart was stabbed through? you don’t say. well that certainly is interesting.
in summary:
Deku cloned his quirk in Heroes Rising and gave Kacchan a copy of OFA. owing to the hyperprotective Deku!Vestige inside Kacchan’s copy of OFA, it shut itself down once Nine was defeated, and all of Katsuki’s memories of having OFA were deliberately wiped, or sealed away. OFA itself remained inactive until TomurAFO stabbed Katsuki through the heart, at which point OFA was forced to reactivate itself to save his life. which it did, by forcibly restarting his heart.
that’s it. no idea how close to the money any of this is, but I think it would explain most of the lingering mysteries and questions about what exactly is going on with Katsuki. and I’ll throw in one last observation as well -- Katsuki has a nine in his name (BaKUgou), but not a ten. which I know sort of contradicts what I was saying earlier about him being the tenth gen, lol. but he both is and isn’t. if Deku split his quirk, Kacchan would in theory receive everything that’s currently in Deku’s quirk right now, and that includes Deku’s own power that he’s been adding to the mix. so he’d still have the Deku!Vestige. but he’s also still ninth gen, because he and Deku are sharing that distinction now. or at least I think the argument could be made at any rate.
so yeah. I’ve been obsessing over all of this for the past few days lol. what do you guys think?
#bakugou katsuki#midoriya izuku#one for all#bnha meta#bnha theory#bakugou meta#bnha#boku no hero academia#bnha spoilers#mha spoilers#bnha manga spoilers#makeste reads bnha#it's also possible that I put way too much thought into this and in actuality katsuki is just using the OFA embers#or something else along those lines#we'll see lol#but in the meantime it's fun to speculate
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I think one of the reasons I get a little sad the Anglosphere BNHA fandom itself doesn't seem to like honorifics is that a lot of nuance is missing. For example, as a meta-writer, Dabi using Ujiko-san was a big ass red flag for us, since he doesn't use them often, and formed the basis of my original argument they knew each other prior to the League before we even had them meet in canon. I was right.
But even small stuff - Toga uses "Kun" for Jin, which is something you would use for a peer as a girl her age, which is interesting given he's a good fourteen/fifteen years older than her. Compress uses "-chan" for her despite being the same age as Twice, which shows he definitely thinks of her as a little girl and feels close enough to use it.
Yoichi in the newest episode uses "Kun" for every one of the other Vestiges he names by name, even Nana, which is rare but not that weird because it's a way to refer to a female subordinate without being way too personal and yet retaining the hierarchy "-san" doesn't afford.
I think what I'm trying to say is that honorifics are great ways to communicate the relationships between characters, and also communicate things about that character too because all of these hinge upon following social rules and characters who don't use them or use them improperly are seen as rude or just odd.
I get, for fanfiction writers, however, this is complicated and an extra amount of pressure. Learning the many nuances around this has taken me years of research and also just being friends with actual Japanese people who have clarified things for me. A lot of writers aren't very willing to put in that sort of time, and I get it. It does however mean a lot gets lost. It doesn't help that our translator tends to translate them as well and not retain them, so the only time English-speaking fans encounter them are audibly in the Anime's subs, and I'm not sure how easily people pick up a lot of the words.
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Crusty Kitty~Neko!Shigaraki x Reader Smut 🩵✨️
Notes: I hate myself
Summary: Tomura and his girlfriend end up in quite the predicament after a job gone wrong.
Reader is Described as: having fluffy hair, curvy body, short, female, she/her pronouns, reader wears a skirt, grey/black colored ears and tail.
Warnings: Explicit pet play, 18+ (MDNI), fem reader, breeding, kitty boy Shigaraki AND kitty girl reader, BITING, furry themes?, biting, unprotected sex, dom Shigaraki, unapologetically horny and clingy Tomura, titty sucking, reader is resistant to Tomura's quirk, mention of murder, cringe use of "nya" and other variations of it, mommy kink, cunnilingus, Tomura has white ears and tail, Tomura calls reader a slut, season 5ish Shigaraki (blue hair), shiggy has a noncon-ish thought at one point but the sex itself is entirely consensual, not proofread yet
Fuuuuck...
This was bad.
It wasn't uncommon for Tomura and his crew to run into some people with crazy quirks. Sometimes they'd do the strangest things to their bodies. This one though, it was about to kill Tomura. His newfound tail would not stop wagging and curling itself around his leg, trying his hardest from not grabbing you as you stood in front of him, brushing your hair.
Yesterday, you and Tomura had gone to a little interview to see if this mid-level criminal you two had heard of was willing to join the League. They were well-known in the underworld and had great connections. Tomura hoped to have gotten something good out of the encounter, but he soon discovered what he usually did. Another tryhard who was looking to steal his spot as the ruler of all things evil. So, there was a little tastle, to say the least.
In attempt to protect you, Shigaraki had gone after the villain with physical force. Before he knew it, you and he had been sprayed with some nasty smelling odor, left coughing up a storm. Tomura had managed to snatch ahold of the cocksucker, crumbling him away.
"Achew!" perfumes or anything like that always made Tomura's sinuses act up. "Good riddance. Let's go."
The next morning, you and him woke up to a surprise.
Both of you were decorated in ears, tails, claws, fangs, the whole nine yards. You still looked like people, but...catlike. Like a neko that you'd see in hentai. Tomura couldn't begin to describe the shock that washed over him when he saw you laying next to him with greyish-black ears and a tail of the same color. At first he thought it was just you, but when he felt something fuzzy hit the black of his legs, an instant "oh no" shot through his thoughts.
You two tried acting as if everything was still the same. Okay, so you guys were like this. Didn't mean that operations had to cease, right? Even though the looks that the League gave Tomura made him want to knock each one of them on their asses.
Ujiko said that the effects of the quirk should wear off in maybe a week. That's a long time to have these fuzzy ears and stupid fucking fangs that bit Tomura's tongue when he was least expecting it. Oh yea, his tongue was rough now too. What the fuck.
You. Were NOT helping. Actually, you were adorable. He'd watch as your tail would swerve along around your ass and when your ears would perk up when he asked you a question. Your figure was as breedable as it always was, but something about having the accents of catlike features made him leak. He could smell you now, too. This kitty boy transformation was embarrassing. Not only because of the way he looked but also because he was unbearably horny.
Tomura was horny as fuck already, but this little predicament had him fidgeting so bad and sweating as he looked at you. Your breasts seemed fuller than normal, and your ass was always bucking outwards. You must've been feeling it, too, huh?
It didn't really occur to him that you were both young adults, at prime "mating" time. And it wasn't like you and him were going to get spayed or neutered. It was also super convenient that this had happened right as you were at a high chance of pregnancy within your reproductive cycle. If that didn't make you horny enough, you sure as hell were now.
He watched you brush your fluffy hair, trying to avoid hurting your ears. He wondered if you'd tingle if he touched them. "Let's see..." he thought.
When Tomura stepped toward you, his tail immediately started wagging eagerly. Your eyes darted at him and you noticed how much taller he was than you, making you tingle. You wanted him to dominate you so bad.
"Do you know how bad your cunt smells right now?" Tomura husks, nuzzling his face into your hair. He breathes in your lady musk and grinds his groin against your back.
"I'm sorry..nyuahh..."
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"Are you serious? Hehehe!"
"Sorry!"
"Shhh..mmm...back your ass up again..."
So you did. You rubbed your ass up on his crotch, tail flicking in his face. God, you made him throb so baaad. You looked up to his face while you coated the crotch of his pants in your soaked cunt, seeing his dilated red eyes that screamed "I'm gonna breed you so bad."
"You're such a sexy kittyyy,,,nyah.." he teased. You couldn't tell if he was joking or not, but the way he rutted against you gave you the impression that he was yearning. He teased his fingers on your ears, scratching behind them while you mewled. The way you reacted made him snicker. He bit your neck without warning, eliciting a yelp from you.
"Mmm! Tomuraawwhh~ what are you doing??
"I need you mommy...let me fill you with my kittens..nnyeow..."
Your cunt arched back on instinct. Tomura hiked up your skirt, showcasing your ass and cunt. It was dripping wet, begging for him to stuff you. He swore he could even see your clit twitch. Oh he wanted to fuck you silly, but he'd feel bad leaving you hanging. And he always got so sleepy after he came, and his catboy transformation made him need naps all the time. His white tail raised up as his cock leaked more at the thought of tasting your pussy.
"Get in bed," he commanded. Without hesitation, you nodded vigorously with a beaming "mhm!" and got in bed. You lie down on your back with your legs spread. You still had panties, but they were perfectly drenched, and there was glossy fluid glazing your thighs. Tomura took their handles and yanked them down, admiring the sight your puffy clit.
It didn't take any time before his mouth was latched onto your hot, wet cunt. Your smell was driving him feral, making his cock leak and twitch with vigor.
"Nyaahh...~!" you screamed. Your cunt was insanely sensitive and Tomura's rough tongue was relentless on your clit. The texture against your cunt drove you crazy as you rolled your hips. But Tomura held your thighs and devoured you, determined to have you cumming in minutes. You went to tug at his thick blue locks, petting his white ears as you did so. His teeth clamped down, though he tried to keep his mouth away from your pussy as he did. Even he respected that a bite to your pussy wouldn't feel very nice.
He mixed in some finger action, too, though he hadn't even thought that his claws may hurt you. He scratched your thighs gently while he continued attacking your cunt with his mouth. He looked up, seeing how full your tits looked underneath your tight tanktop. "Change of plans", he thought.
Tomura came up to your neck, licking and covering you in love bites while he pulled your shirt below your tits. Your nipples were flushed and incredibly sensitive, as you trembled at the slightest touch of his fingers. He cackles a bit and then latches his mouth onto your breast, sucking as if he was feeding on you. He made sure to rub your clit while he did it, hoping to have you cumming while he sucked your titties.
Bingo. With just a few precise motions and his rough mouth, you spasmed on his fingers and cried out in agonizing arousal, creating the most animal-like noises. Fuckkk...
"MMww...Tomuraahh~"
"Ehehehh..what is it? Does my kitty slut need to be stuffed..rrr~..."
He was purring! fhzjdijfas
"Mhm!"
"C'mere, then..."
Tomura manhandled you and flipped you onto your stomach. The sight of your supple ass made him buck, freeing his cock from his painfully tight jeans. His cock was pulsing and almost red from how pent up and horny he was, tip leaking with plenty of pre. He slapped his cock over your hole a couple of times and then proceeded to sink himself inside of you deeply.
"Awh!~"
FUckk...was he drooling? Your pussy felt SOOO wet and hotter than the Sahara. And yet, you were still suffocating him and unbearably tight. He plunged his cock in and out of you, making you scream underneath him. You sounded so gooey and wet and his cock kept thrusting in and out of your soaked cunt, and the added bonus of his hips smacking against your ass made it evident to the whole League that you were getting a good serving of Shigaraki right now.
Your mouth hung open for your cute fangs to show. Tomura shoved his fingers into your mouth, feeling around your sandpaper tongue. You bite his finger on accident, making him shout.
"OW! You bitch!"
He wasn't mad, though. He just cackled and growled to himself with his sore finger rubbing your lips as he pounded your cunt relentlessly. You were so small underneath him, making his dominant instincts fuck you even rougher, knowing that if you wanted to leave he had all the power to keep you under him. Your pussy fluids were leaking your your thighs onto the sheets. Fuck, you two smelled AWFUL, too. "This will need much needed cleanup," Tomura thought.
"Mmm!~ Nywah~ you love my kitty cock filling you up, huh??~"
"Yeaaawh~"
He sounded just as loud as you right now, crying and mewling out and in desperate need to pump you full of his cum. He bit your sensitive ear while he tugged on your tail, causing your ass to lift higher. His cock shoved itself into your core repeatedly and his balls slapped your ass. He bruised your cervix while he rammed you and he was going to cum soon, you could tell by how rough he was getting.
"T-rr-t-tomura!"
He didn't respond with words, instead driving himself in your body a few more times before eventually slamming deep into your cunt with a final yowling groan...Tomura rocked his cock into you even after he came, his sensitive cock aching terribly. When he pulled out he watched as his cum dripped out of your cunt, making him cry.
"Rrrr-hr-hrrr....mawhmmmy~"
"Mmm?"
"I loveee yew~"
"Eheheee...really??"
"rrrr..yeaa. Cuddle me."
It wasn't a request, but rather a demand, as Tomura wrapped his arms around you and practically trapped you in his grasp. He purred in your ear while he smothered you in his embrace, nipping at your ear and neck.
"Hey!"
"Mhmhm what?"
"That hurts."
"But I love you~" his raspy voice mewls.
"rrrr whatever..."
"Say it back."
"I love yeww Tomura~ you know I do."
What a wild turn of events, he thought. Your smell was still driving him crazy, but now that he made you his little cumdump he was ready to nap, and he wasn't going to allow you to leave. Both you and Tomura drifted off into slumber, purring in each other's arms, snuggled as close as humanly (..) possible.
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I'm back again, Apocalypse?
Hmm, this isn't really my cup of tea, tbh, and I don't know much about this genre, but I'll do my best!
Let's say that the quirk event horizon actually hits and goes fucking haywire when Ujiko is experimenting with the nomu and getting stronger quirks in them. He didn't realize that one of the cocktails of quirks he had cooking in a tank would go viral when it came out of the tank, and when it did, people were suddenly having their quirks go absolutely out of control. People who were already trained to handle that like heroes and villains who use their quirks all the time, were mostly fine, but average civilians? Children?? They went out of control and in a matter of weeks it had spread across the globe and most things were in ruins.
The heroes and the villains end up with their own pockets of civilization and they are fighting over the best resource they have-- quirks. With so much destroyed, only people with useful quirks who survived are the ones that matter because those quirks can be used to run the world. For instance, Ibara Shiozaki can actually make a new garden of Eden and ensure that all of the people in the heroes camp are fed, and Kaminari can now power half of Japan by himself.
This puts the League in an interesting spot because Dabi, Shigaraki, and Twice can now destroy the fucking planet if they want to, but they want power and just causing destruction won't get them that. They end up joining up with (and later betraying and destroying) Overhaul who ended up making a 'cure' with the erasing bullets. That helps them to secure a way to get what they want with the threat of completely destroying the heroes' resources.
Meanwhile, Dabi is doing his fucking level best to deal with the fact that just a spark can burn off half his arm, and Shigaraki can Decay anything with just a single finger and has to pay attention constantly to not destroy the gloves he now has to wear permanently. And in all honesty, they're fucking miserable in this new world. Toga is doing awful because now when she activates her quirk she fully becomes that person, mind/personality/everything, until the blood runs out and they hate this new world.
Eventually, they end up at a truce and negotiation with the heroes and the heroes agree to give Twice the measurements of the people they need if the villains fuck off (one set is now good to make a person indefinitely because of the amplification). They take what they need, carve out a place of their own, and set down roots, all of them slowly but surely trying to learn how to exist like this for the rest of their lives. (and Shigadabi are falling in love and agonizing over not being able to touch each other in the background until they feel safe enough to find and update some quirk cuffs)
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thoughts on the new chapter? you said before spinneraki is a pillar in the story and i think this chapter continues to be evidence of that
For these two anons who asked for them, have some Chapter Thoughts, 411-version. Herein can be found two big chunks of musing about, respectively, OFA & Shigaraki and the Shigaraki+Deku+Spinner confluence, as well as the usual handful of stray thoughts.
(I'm also going to throw in a few last minute thoughts about plot events between here and the last chapter I had a post on, Chapter 392. They'll be off-the-cuff and not comprehensive; feel free to send an ask if there's anything specific you're curious about, though I can't at this time promise e.g. the twelve thousand word essay on why the AFO vs. All Might fight sucks rocks.)
Chapter Thoughts — Chapter 411: History's Greatest Villain
OFA Vestiges vs. Shigaraki Tomura
Shinomori remains my favorite OFA bearer by a large margin; I enjoy how his quirk allows him to be the one bearer with his act together this chapter. I also like that him being the vestige that actively chooses to sacrifice “himself” for the good of the rest of One For All makes a nice bookend with my preferred headcanon that he was the bearer who had the power forced on him against his will.
That said, it is a bit ironic that Danger Sense surely had to rank right up near the top of OFA quirks that it’s most dangerous for Deku to lose to Shigaraki! Like, throw Shigaraki En or something; Smoke Screen’s not going to let Shigaraki do anything Deku can’t counter with Danger Sense! Sacrifice Nana; Deku and Shigaraki both already have ways to keep aloft enough.[1] So I appreciate both the display of Shinomori’s instinctive heroism and the dramatic choice to deprive Deku of such a key component of his defense, after god knows how many chapters of dramatic choices I pretty much hate across the board.
1: That said, it does look like the person Shinomori shoved most directly out of the way was Banjo, his own successor, which speaks to their bond and also spares Deku losing a crucial quirk, as Black Whip has been his main way to exert any control at all over the battle with Shigaraki and is also helping keep his arms braced. As someone who wanted those humerus consequences after the first war, I say, “Go, Shigaraki, go! Get the Sixth next!”
My god, the rest of them are such a mess this chapter. Very funny, actually. Shaking my head at them in there talking about how to “bring down” Shigaraki, who they know good and well Deku wants to help. “Our entire reason for still existing!” No, Bro Bro, you existed solely to take down All For One, which Bakugou et. al. have neatly taken care of for you. The only other purpose ever given to you was to save people, but I guess you’ve already forgotten that.
Seriously, I love the discord this chapter, the panic and fear, particularly from the youthful En—watching that unified will crumble in the face of Shigaraki’s hatred is a wonderful balm to all the times I had to suffer through seeing commenters elsewhere on the internet blithely taking it for granted that One For All could never be stolen just because All Might said it was so, laughing it off when Ujiko promised Shigaraki otherwise. My villain fan agenda aside, though, it’s also a rare highlight for Deku that I like, which I’ll circle back to.
Regarding Shigaraki with Danger Sense, I know there was some discussion of whether he’d be able to fully utilize it against Deku when Deku wants to “save” him. As giving Deku that out would have been the story yet again undermining the villains’ fairly won victories (and as Danger Sense has been so wildly inconsistently written that Horikoshi could have gotten away with practically anything), I’m pleased to see it’s working as intended! That said, you probably could have some interesting discussion of exactly whose “intent” Danger Sense is picking up on. Deku may want to help Shigaraki, but e.g. Banjo, Bruce and Kudou certainly don’t seem to want that! Given how explicitly Kudou was synonymizing quirks and wills back in Chapter 369,[2] and particularly given that Shigaraki can perceive the vestiges now, it wouldn’t surprise me if their wills are bleeding over into Deku’s usage of their quirks.
2: I.e. the “gaslighting the readership about the historical usage of meta-ability terminology” chapter.
I do wonder if this is set-up for Shinomori—and potentially other quirks as well, including any more OFA vestiges Shigaraki manages to snag!—giving us a tired retread of the “quirk vestiges mount a resistance against their unrightful bearer at a critical juncture” moments we saw with AFO, but I suppose that’d be what Shigaraki gets for trying to steal bits of OFA after saying previously that he didn’t care about it. (Sigh.)
Deku, Spinner, and Shigaraki Tomura's "Personhood"
I appreciate Deku pushing back against Shigaraki’s dehumanization, though it does not escape me that he directs that pushback to Shigaraki himself, not any of the voices inside Deku’s head calling Shigaraki calamity and ruin incarnate, and certainly not any actual humans on his side in the real world. It smacks of the same pattern heroes always fall into of leaping to castigate villains for things they tacitly ignore in their own allies. Still, it is at least spoken aloud, and to Shigaraki’s face, which is a pleasant change.
I swear to Christ, if after all this time Spinner becomes a bridge between Shigaraki and Deku after all, I am going to be so damn smug. Albeit in different contexts, I called that years ago, and lo and behold, here we have Shigaraki, accused of having no friends, self-dehumanized, and depersonalized by Deku’s allies, immediately refute the point by bringing up his best friend of his own volition, tying his destruction to someone outside of himself.
While Deku hasn’t connected the dots on-page yet, he certainly can’t have missed it, though it remains to be seen how much about Spinner Deku actually knows/remembers from their encounter at the training camp—that encounter long being an important part of my reasoning that Spinner could, via his and Deku’s shared respect for Stain and desire to help Shigaraki, find some common ground.
Moreover, we get Deku flashing to Uraraka—as well he should! Since Uraraka is the only one who managed to unearth some empathy for her designated villain foil without a familial or fated connection to them, she deserves to feature prominently in Deku’s attempts to connect with his own opposite number.
I do wonder if we will yet get a flashback to the mall scene. Honestly, Deku could have kickstarted his connection to Shigaraki all the way back then, when Shigaraki functionally laid his damage out in front of Deku like fine china, only for Deku to grab the first excuse anyone gave him to write it off and forget about it. The story could probably get away with not reminding the readers of that—after all, Shigaraki hasn’t really changed his grievance since then, just expanded his invocation of blame! His monologue at Jakku is just a refined version of what he said at the mall encounter, so the only reason to flash back to the less developed take is to have Deku vocalize that he could (and should!) have been wondering about Shigaraki as “a person, too” this whole time, instead of only coming to do so after their mindscape encounter.
Acknowledging the gaps in Saint Deku’s Miraculous Saving Instincts would go a long, long way towards softening me on the narrative BNHA’s been trying to sell me on its main character.
Anyway, three cheers for Spinaraki; they never fuckin’ lose, do they? It’s particularly gratifying in light of the way people on Twitter were speedrunning the shift from dismissing Spinner as unimportant to criticizing him as “toxic” as it became more and more clear that saving Shigaraki was going to be more complicated than just dealing with AFO. People really thought that if Deku could just lay all the blame for Shigaraki’s anger at AFO’s feet, then he could just wipe it away, eradicating “Shigaraki Tomura”—who was never really a person anyway, just fifteen years of grooming and coping mechanisms—and leaving behind only sweet, innocent, undemanding Shimura Tenko.
But if Shigaraki was carrying anger for others, blame for wrongs that couldn’t be attributed to AFO, suddenly that narrative got messier. Suddenly the League needed to be Bad For Each Other, needed to be separated for their own good, redeemed by the grace of their designated student foils—and nowhere was that trickier than with Spinner, who didn’t have one, and whose every flashback post-war made it clearer and clearer that he had a relationship with Shigaraki that went beyond the League’s stated purpose as an alliance of Villains to bring down Hero Society.
The tidier version of the story would still be salvageable if Shigaraki didn’t really care about Spinner more than anyone else in the League, if Spinner’s devotion were one-sided, if Shigaraki didn’t determine to share Spinner’s grievance. If Spinner’s problems aren’t Shigaraki’s problems too, then Deku doesn’t have to address them. And but so, the mad scramble to invalidate the connection by any means possible.
But then here comes Shigaraki not just mentioning Spinner, but mentioning something Spinner wanted that Spinner never even told him about on the page, meaning either Shigaraki was paying close enough attention to Spinner to simply intuit it, or he and Spinner had an off-page conversation about Deika where Spinner in all his insecurity was able to admit to Shigaraki that he thought his horizon was beautiful. And not only does Shigaraki remember this, he dedicates his destruction of Mount Fuji to Spinner and the horizon.
Not so one-sided after all, is it?
That all said, of course it’s also worth asking if Spinner actually wants the horizon anymore. Judging by his tormented inner reflections when striving to reach Kurogiri, that doesn’t really seem to be the case. At the end of Spinner’s strength, what he truly remembers and treasures is the time he and Shigaraki spent just dicking around talking about video games—just being friends. Spinner wants Shigaraki to get what he wants—but if they’re both just crediting That Beautiful Horizon to each other without realizing it’s not really about what they themselves want anymore, where does that leave them?
One suspects that was one function of the possession plot—keeping them from talking to each other freely and being able to figure that out themselves. As it is, with the possession plot seemingly off the table, at least for now, that brings us back to Deku and his resolution to reach the humanity in Shigaraki Tomura—a humanity that Shigaraki just helpfully signposted by referencing his friend Spinner.
So how long until we cut away to find out where the Rooftop Trio and Spinner have gotten off to?
Stray Thoughts
Re: Mount Fuji, Horikoshi’s grasp of travel times remains as totally unhinged as ever. Someone who can make rudimentary animations needs to use that battle map volume extra to demonstrate exactly the distances that would have to traversed by All For One, U.A., All Might and especially Lady Nagant and her bullets in this final arc for them to keep arriving where the story needs them to be.
I see the artistic indication is very much that Shigaraki can just spread Decay wherever he walks now. That’s both wonderfully evocative for the embodied destructive divine impulse he’s nominally become and also a bit amusing, because if you can unlock a touch-based quirk to spread through your feet, maybe Overhaul’s not out of luck just yet after all. XD
Good riddance to the mask! As others have pointed out, it’s modelled on All Might’s smile, and is therefore the last thing Deku should be wearing right now, given that Shigaraki has specifically expressed, to Deku’s face, that he hates All Might’s fucking smile, “As if there’s no one he can’t save!” Hope Shigaraki gets that damn cape next, such as is left of it.
Events Up To Now (Chapters 393 - 410)
The resolution of the Ochaco vs. Toga fight is very solid emotionally, though hampered by yet more nerfing of Toga's power set to make sure she can't do all the damage she should logically be capable of doing, as well as a lot of incredibly tiresome shoehorning in of mentions of Deku just to make sure everyone gets how Not Homo it is for Ochaco to tell Toga she's the cutest girl in the whole world. But I love that Toga remains unrepentant and faithful to Shigaraki to the end. I will turn a lot less nice about this if Toga turns out to have actually died here, however.
(She should have gotten to stab fucking Hawks.)
The All Might vs. AFO fight sucks rocks. The mech suit makes a nonsense of All Might's primary arc post-Kamino, it's flatly irreconcileable with his characterization throughout the Edgy Deku arc, it leans on a bond with the 1-A students that he has entirely failed to earn, and it parades their identies and power sets out in front of the world with absolutely zero indication that he ever asked them if they were okay with that. As an answer to the "quirkless hero" question it is purest sophistry, laughably detached from reality.
The world's reaction to the All Might vs. AFO fight sucks rocks. The return of Wishing Energy is the obvious point of note, but I prefer to focus on how patently ridiculous it is that across the multitudinous barriers of age, language, culture, politics, national attitude, wealth level, and views on heroism, everyone in the world who watches the battle and gets into it enough to really pay attention is magically able to intuit that the man in the black military hardware suit injecting acid into the underclothed twelve-year-old is the "Hero."
Kunieda is a delight and he and Aoyama should have had history going back to AFO's sway over the family.
Shigaraki is great when he's getting actual attention, but as part and parcel of the AFO vs. All Might fight sucking on such intergalactic levels, it made Shigaraki awful, too, reducing him to generic last boss counting-his-evil-chickens-before-they're-hatched gloating. Praying we see no more of that going forward.
It is extremely headshaking in retrospect that the Heroes actively acknowledged during the planning process for all this that they would prefer to engage with the AFO persona in Shigaraki than Shigaraki himself, the Heroes then find out during the battle that AFO is trying to get to Shigaraki with the specific aim of reawakening said persona, and yet the Jakku team, All Might and Bakugou still blow interminable fucking chapters on preventing AFO from doing the exact thing that would get them back the persona they explicitly stated it would be preferable to deal with.
Edgeshot continues to be Just The Worst, not even having the decency to wait until the endgame to confirm what I predicted back when the nonsense about repairing Bakugou's heart first came up: that, "You won't be able to come back from this," is a bald-faced lie intended to ratchet up tension, one that would be rolled back the instant the danger was past and Bakugou could be gotten to a proper hospital room.
AFO's backstory is the laziest of lazy dreck. The new information soundly deprives Yoichi of the marginal amounts of agency he had previously managed to suggest he exercised, conflicts with what's been previously implied about the brothers' personal history, fails to reconcile the child AFO with the man we met in Deku's dream prior to Joint Training, and reduces all of the interpersonal drama between AFO, Yoichi and Kudou into nothing more than a reason for Bakugou to inspire fear and distress in BabyFO. (See @robotlesbianjavert's post and Nal's tags on it here, and @codenamesazanka's post here.)
Omni-Factor Unleash is a retread of Kamino AND Overhaul's minion forms AND Akira-fied Shigaraki. You guys, I think maybe Horikoshi is Bad At Coming Up With Final Boss Attacks.
#bnha#chapter thoughts#bnha 411#and some other chapters as well#amazing how much more tolerable these chapters are when shigaraki's properly in the driver's seat#based on prior performance i don't expect it to last#but it's nice to have for now#and the spinaraki vindication is indeed sweet#my writing#stillness answers
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Ten headcanons about spinner please
well you asked so nicely. okay!
10) i think i've already mentioned this in the past and some fics but despite what you expect from someone with reptile associations he's not anymore affected by the cold than any other warm-blooded person. and he knows it's a silly thing to get sensitive about but well when people assume he gets a bit heated!! so to say!!
9) he first learned how to use a knife, and in particular knife throwing tricks, from his mom, who is most of the born and bred country rep in his family and grew up with very little else to do and really needed a cool party trick. between her and toga, knife-throwing is his only surefire way to bond with women.
8) who is the biggest bara rep in league of legends. idk mordekaiser looks promising. in any case spinner's first glimmer of realizing that he is gay was accidentally stumbling upon LoL bara doujinshi, on the internet. somehow the continuing fascination for bara did not translate to real life where he keeps going gaga for weird skinny weirdos with disappointing t&a (UNTIL shigaraki's ujiko-provided glow-up)
7) his backup plan for going to the city after seeing stain on tv if he failed to find and join the league of villains was just to hit all the clubs and get laid. but as a virgin and hikkikomori he was very nervous about this option and was kind of relieved that he could just join a terrorist group instead.
6) i used this one in a fic too lmao. as a kid his claws were filed down regularly so that other kids and the rest of the town didn't freak out and think he was gonna gut them. cuz they're evil. as part of the headcanon of it all he does have weird hang-ups and
5) backseat gamer. like, pathological. much like myself as a child watching my stepbrothers play zelda or conker's bad fur day, he will sit over shigaraki's shoulder (and anyone else's i guess but he's literally so under-socialized he doesn't know anyone else who plays videogames irl. sad!) and be like i wouldn't have done that. you're supposed to go over there. why aren't you using all these cheat codes that i know (they don't work). thankfully shigaraki is cool with this cuz he loves to argue. i actually consider this canon enough given that we have now seen spinner hanging over shigaraki's shoulder as he's playing games.
4) were a tumblr equivalent to exist in bnhaverse spinner would have an account and he would try to be crazy stealth and not have it associated to any other social accounts ever and he would be a hater on it and you could not pay him to commit voter fraud for something against his morals (shipping polls) (he would have voted destiel!! he knows he is cas-coded!!) but he would create so many dummy accounts manually by hand HIMSELF like a hard worker to influence results as much as he could. without paying people. or getting bots. he has a pure hater soul.
3) related to the above spinner is a constant hater online. people ask him what does he ever like and he just regurgitates whatever video essay he watched recently that had a nice thing to say. but his hater stances are 100% original. not to say that he never Likes something about anything but he's dogshit at expressing it.
2) part of his issues is that he was very unintentionally detached from any other of his heteromorph-related family that he could relate to (a lot of the family was probably located in cities) aside from whatever parents or siblings, which contributed further to his feelings of isolation from the community he grew up in, and his heteromorphic traits were just enough more apparent compared to the immediate family that he was more targeted by the community he grew up in. so he's both discriminated and marginalized by the community, and has a harder time finding solace in his family to cope.
1 ) i must once again stand by spinner's hybistrophilia. like really specifically his true fantasy is a cool suave older man who does a lot of serial killing and is willing to take spinner under his wing and say ah i see you have a lot of potential. but then he fell in love with shigaraki. that's how you know it's true love. i guess you can argue that shigaraki is an old soul.
#sorry this took so long i was waylaid by a Cough and also wanted to put thought into these.#bnha#spinner#shuichi iguchi#iguchi shuuichi#spinaraki#bnha bloggin
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Mha 378. I love gentle criminal though I geuss he can be considered somewhat of hero now I geuss we can give him a hero name how about how about the gentleman
And I know there's people who want the lov to get a redemption like gentle criminal is getting now but you need understand the difference between the lov and gentle criminal
There are similarities sad backstory leading someone into becoming a villain here's the difference we have gentle criminal who turned himself in and is held accountable for his crimes and he mentions his mistakes in this chapter and holds himself accountable and is that moment making up for all his mistakes and we had him flashback to the gorilla cop saying he could start over
He the main reason the all those prisoners from the 7 th prison are locked up
For the certain lov members to be redeemed like gentle say for example toga she would actually have to acknowledge her own crimes and how her killing those boys affected there families twice died and she's still can't comprehend that her actions could have affected other people the way twice death affected her
The reality is if the league survives there going jail I'm not saying the lov can't be redeemed I'm saying for that to happen they have to hold themselves accountable for there crimes and they have be held accountable as well
The only one in the lov that won't go to jail is kurogiri because again his nomu and has no choice but to follow orders and his programming there probably gives to continue to try and find way to undo what ujiko did to him
I'm certain that kurogiri will be helping the heores soon if aizawa and mic can get through shirakumo again
And also lady nagant is back and it's seems she's also realized her mistakes and is back to working with the heroes
#gentle criminal#myheroacademia#my hero academia#bokunoheroacademia#boku no hero academia#bnha#mha#mha spoilers#bnha378#mha manga spoilers#danjuro tobita#anti lov#anti toga himiko#anti league of villains#kurogiri#oboro shirakumo#lady nagant#kaina tsutsumi#mha378
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This is kinda dark but I suddenly had a thought:
What would’ve happened if Kudou actually just killed Yoichi in the vault?
He probably would’ve left Yoichi’s dead body still in there, door open and everything for Afo to find
oh 😭
I'm just imagining afo hurrying to the vault cutting down any remaining rebels that may be in his way. not caring about the bodies he tramples underneath his feet because he needs to make sure yoichi is okay, only to find the door wide open and yoichi's lifeless body lying on the ground blood pooling around him. his eyes wide open and dull. afo quickly rushes to his side and tries to bring him to a one of the doctors he has on standby because no he can't be dead. there has to be a way to save him, even if he can't feel a pulse and there's far too much blood that's been lost. of course when the doctor confirms he's gone they are swiftly killed and in grief sits in the floor cradling yoichi's body for a long time before storing it somewhere safe to preserve it.
afterwards afo would've gone on a murderous rampage trying to find kudou and the rest not caring who or what gets in his way. maybe he even uses yoichi's death to make the rebels looks bad, after all there wasn't no real reason to kill yoichi as he was sickly and had no way to defend himself. I'm certain afo had some security camera inside the vault which would've recorded his brothers final moments.
anyways he does manage to corner them in a short amount of time and after hacking his way through many bodies he finds kudou, at this point he's drenched in the blood of kudou's men and there's body parts everywhere. what comes after is a gruesome end for kudou and the rebellion squashed for good. since yoichi was killed in the vault, that means ofa was never passed on so there's no one to stop afo from seizing total control
however, afo would actually have yoichi's body whole in this case and the quirk would still be within him. would afo choose to reanimate his dead body so he can have yoichi right by his side again, or would he choose to just take the quirk for himself. then again we have to remember he didn't know the vestiges were a thing until ujiko...
but let's say he knows about the existence of vestiges inside quirks:
if he reanimated his body he still runs the risk of yoichi attempting to escape again, so he's not guaranteed to have him by his side forever. after the whole vault incident he's not going to risk losing him ever again.
if he takes the quirk then he could have yoichi by his side forever, but another question is would the quirk resist him as it did in canon so he has to figure out a way to override it's will as he did in canon which leads to body possession stuff. I want to say yes, but I'm unsure for the most part.
either way afo eventually gets yoichi by his side and his perfect villains win endings . this actually might turn out to be a better universe for afo than we originally thought it would be
#I mean anything better than rewinding into a baby on livestream#why would 2nd kill yoichi here hmmmm#either yoichi lost his mind and through his madness thought he was a41 and attacked leading 2nd to accidently kill him#or yoichi spent so long in there he begged 2nd to kill him as a mercy and 2nd complied#a41 would've figured out some way to twist it into making the rebels looks bad
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👀 👀 can we hear the johnny hcs?
Omg so okay I actually have a lot, most of which aren't canon compliant cause we started coming up with these years back
K so Johnny's little, I usually hc him as like, under 10 (which does align with him being Touya's kid timeline wise 👀) tiny little guy
He likes dinosaurs and dragons and red is his favorite color.
I usually hc that he's an orphan surrendered at birth who ended up in Ujikos care through one of the orphanages and that he was born with health complications, which is why canonically he gets sick often (Ujiko says he gets tonsillitis a lot during the mva arc)
Basically grew up in the lab/facility and in a lot of those aus i have with Dabi being in a lab and a bunch of dead dove shit, i hc he and Johnny were friends and really close snd that was partly the reason Ujiko turned Johnny into a nomu - that and it was sorta done as like a way to mess with Kurogiri after Kurogiri tried to escape with Tomura (this is all from an rp with a homie, so it's a long story), basically guilting it for only taking Tomura and "leaving the other lab kids" (which it was going to come back for but they weren't allowed to know that)
Dabi and Johnny developing a friendship years later when Dabi joins the league abd remembers John-Chan from the facility. He'll put dinosaur cartoons on his phone for him, taking him outside, sneaking him toys and stuff like that when he was "assisting" Ujiko in the lab.
Johnny really likes Dabi and follows him around. Dabi didn't think he would even remember him, but he does, and he doesn't know if he's happy about that or not.
Ujiko being weird and gross to Johnny, like treats him like a pet or something, but that's all he knew so he doesn't really see what's wrong with it.
He gets upset when people say his teleportation goop is yucky or smelly, it hurts his feelings
I desperately need an au where Dabi is just like "my little buddy" and snags Johnny from Ujiko and brings him to the League. Bonus points if he's his kid now.
I probably have more but thats all for now. I love him so much he deserved better omg 😭
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They're planning to deal with Queen because they want to save Pop before she gets arrested or dies, and Pop is in this situation exactly because of all the underground stuff that flew under the heroes' radar. The Villain Factory and Six *are* things that flew under the radar in this universe, that's literally the reason why AFO and Ujiko with his Nomu weren't discovered until after Shigaraki's debut at USJ. I dislike a lot of Furuhashi's writing choices, but starting with smaller scale issues and ending up dealing with bigger scale issues as the result is a pretty common story direction.
I'm not sure I understand the critique about what vigilantes are in Vigs either, since it was made clear fairly early even in the original manga that in this universe anyone who's doing "hero" jobs or even just simply using their quirks without having a license (for different reasons) are criminals in the eyes of the law, and that's why they're either "vigilantes" if they're not doing anything harmful to society or "villains" if they do.
No no, I am not complaining about the stakes going up, I'm more miffed over the way they went up. How did the story starts? Fighting Low level criminals taking a booster drug to try to get it out of the streets, then a vigilante that kills criminals and is a risk to society, we escalate to some low level villain that is spreading the drug, then said villain try to kill a whole bus full of civilians, later we discover said villain is the daughter of one of them being brainwashed into being a villain- see, this was a nice and smooth curve. The stakes are going up, the danger is rising and the heroes have to adapt to bigger dangers, but even so they are still at a level where it makes sense for amateurs that want to do good (not counting Knuckles of course)
Then suddenly everything gets thrown out of wack. The villains are super bioengineered indestructible weapons, things are blowing up left and right and even pro heroes are struggling to fight back. It's like we were going up 2 by 2, then out if nowhere we jumped in 80 points. The enemies are no longer things that make sense for the development of the story and the characters, because they are too far ahead.
I think it would be fine if eventually the monsters were proto nomus, but those should've been late-stage foes, not things we're seeing right at the start of the story. Actually the fact that thise things are flying under the radar don't make any sense, considering that people are investigating it, and even Phelps is involved; he eventually became All Might's closest confident, how did All Might never knew that AfO was still out there? Or at least a connection to those events once the USJ was attacked? Sure, you can say that since the story was written after that Horikoshi hadn't thought about it, but that's a thing, when you write a sequel you can't go around punching holes in the main story, you have to respect what happens later on, or at the very least come up with some pretty strong reasons for them to never come up, least you want assholes like me complaining on the internet lmao
And my complaining about the definition of vigilantes ties it up to the talks about escalation of stakes. Vigilantes were supposed to be solving crimes that the heroes are either unaware of, that are so below their radar they have no idea what's going on, things that happen on the streets and that only people that are close to this underworld would be aware of, and would be able to deal with due to the lack of restraining laws and rules, but after a while we only saw Vigilantes doing actual pro hero stuff. And what's worse, all the heroes are absolutely chill with them around, even though they were supposed to be criminals.
Now sure, that could be actually a fascinating world building piece, that publicly the heroes belittle the vigilantes as criminals but resort to them for help when things might stain their hands, but that's absolutely not what we've seen. Koichi is completely public figure like any other pro hero, everyone in the neighborhood knows him and even the cops and heroes know who he is, what he's doing and even where he lives, and nobody cares. Phelps you could understand, since he had a personal debt to him, but others? Nah.
Actually, the more I think, the more I realize that for a story that was about people that weren't pro heroes, pretty much all the conflicts were solved because of heroes. Tensei, Aizawa, Fatgum, Midnight, Captain Celebrity, All Might- even if koichi helped a lot in most of those cases, the ones that actually solved things were always the heroes. Hell we eve had an entire arc about the backstory of a hero from the main series! Sure, it was awesome as fuck and I loved it, but, why here? Why not make a spin-off solely a out Aizawa's past? That arc had zero impact on this manga besides getting Aizawa out of the story, and if the idea was to answer questions about Kurogiri in the main series then why A) didn't they made an special spin-off solely about them, or B) PUT IT INTO THE MAIN STORY?!
It is a bunch of small nitpicks, the problem is that they keep piling on and on, and I can't ignore them. I am really passionate about story structure and writing in general, even if I'm not the greatest at actually doing them, and although I can ignore minor problems if the story is entertaining, if those minor problems keep multiplying I start to climb up the walls and spit venom at everyone passing by lol
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Actually I have this theory that what if Tenko was kept underneath one of the orphanages, much like how that High End Noumu was kept underneath one of the orphanages when Dabi came to get it
I mean, if there was room for a whole ass Noumu underneath the building, then surely there could have been a room made up for little Tenko to live in (away from people, isolated, so nobody would know he was down there apart from AFO and Ujiko)
Also Tomura's room doesn't have any windows (as far as we can see and analyse anyway) so... his room might be underneath a building, with no source of natural light
It's only a theory obvs, I don't think there's anything that actually implies the room was underneath anything (other than the implication that there were no windows) but who knows
He's definitely kept in a bat cave LOL
No windows, just the computer lighting up his room that we saw. I don't think there is anything solid saying he never interacted with other people growing up, but I think it's a fair guess to assume he did.
Just comparing him to the rest of the League, he keeps his cool but he has his moments when you're like "Bro, what." (mall scene being one of them, like who does that).
Even compared to Touya, who had a lot more time growing up around other people than Tenko did. So idk, I just always assumed he was pretty isolated, but I guess we actually don't know that for sure.
See there's options and theories and this is why I wanna see a tadddd bit more of his life pre-BNHA.
As well as more little Tenko memories before the Shimuras died. Give it to us Hori you coward.
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Incomprehensible ramblings incoming (Spoilers for MHA 350):
I went back and watched the episode where the League meets Ujiko and DAMN I can't look at Nomus the same way again. Just seeing the Nomu made my stomach knot up. At one point I thought I was actually going to throw up. I'm not even joking. I've never had THIS MUCH of a visceral reaction to such a "nothing" scene before. I've cried at movie deaths, I've flinched at fight scenes, but this was literally a still-shot of a Nomu in a tank doing NOTHING and I could feel my stomach twisting.
Like, we always knew the story behind the Nomu is tragic, but I always felt that barrier of "the extra" preventing it from really hitting me just how disturbing the concept of Nomus are.
Nomus were never really "characters". They were made from people but like, in name only. It was horrifying, 100%, but it was just sort of a fact of their backstory. It existed to show how messed up Ujiko is, but since they were introduced as Nomus, it never really affected me beyond "damn, that's fucked up. Ujiko and AFO are evil and I hope the heroes stop them".
Like think about how none of us are sad the OFA users are dead. It's because they started the story dead and were literally written to be dead mentors. We met them when they were already ghosts. No one is here crying that Nana is dead because, like, that's the whole point. She was written to be the dead mentor. We never lost her because we never even had her. But if All Might died, then I think most of us would be pretty distraught.
In a way, it's the same with Shirakumo/Kurogiri. Shirakumo wasn't an established character (in the main series) beforehand. Yes, his brief story is sad (much sadder when you read his chapters), but in the main series, he's literally introduced as "a kid who got turned into a Nomu". There was just this level of disconnect, like Shirakumo as a character existed for this specific plot point. Horikoshi didn't create him for a purpose beyond that. It's not like we lost Shirakumo along the way and then learned about his tragic fate, he was literally name dropped once and then introduced as "the guy we think this Nomu was made from". Messed up, but that's his narrative purpose. (It also helps that Kurogiri is pretty sentient and is able to act as a character in his own right).
But while watching the anime and seeing the Nomus now (after 350) it makes me so uncomfortable because I just get hit with that thought of "that could have been Dabi". Love him or hate him, Dabi is a character we KNOW. We've seen him hanging out with the League, we've seen his backstory, we know HIM. He was NOT introduced into the story as a Nomu, he had his own stuff going on. He was existing and growing as a character.
He's complicated. He's fun to read about. He's got an interesting backstory and fascinating dynamics with other characters. And something about knowing that someone like Dabi would have become a mindless, faceless Nomu is just chilling. There would have been no Dabi to know. Touya, a sweet, innocent kid, would have become a literal nameless enemy for a hero to defeat without a second glance. All of that backstory and tragedy COMPLETELY GONE if he had been turned into a Nomu. And that's where it gets me, because that is the case for every. single. Nomu.
Of course I knew this before. I always understood that Nomus had lives beforehand. But it took seeing a character I KNOW saying "that's what you would have done to me" to make me realize how sick and twisted the Nomu are.
Let me clarify this: I never saw the Nomu as just faceless enemies for the heroes to kill. I still think it is VERY messed up that the heroes kill them so nonchalantly. But something about 350 made it so much more real and like... idk it really got into my head.
I got a somewhat similar feeling when I learned Aizawa was supposed to be Kurogiri. The thought of the Aizawa I know and love not existing broke my heart, but it was calmed by the knowledge that he would have at least been somewhat intelligent. I don't think Dabi would have been given that same luxury.
I think that's what it is: the thought that this character I've grown attached to could have (and would have, if he hadn't run) been this mindless monster is extremely upsetting, and seeing the other Nomu makes me realize just how disturbing of a concept they are.
Fuck Ujiko and FUCK AFO
(I don't swear often, but I make an exception when it comes to AFO. Ujiko has now been added to this list).
Congrats, you just read through me attempting to rationalize my thought process. Have a cookie.
Anyways, you write your horror manga, Hori. If you are able to do THIS to me with a single chapter, you're gonna do great.
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You want ideals? He’s had ‘em!
An Exploration of Tomura's Ideals (Part 1)
We really don’t give Shigaraki enough credit for a certain line that was overshadowed by what he said prior to it.
So, this is a very big line for Shigaraki, right? He states this, says it to /Endeavor/ of all people, and also links it to his father’s violence against him. BUT what does he say right after?
One of the things that has consistently been a problem for Shigaraki is people absolutely doubting his intentions and ideals. They oversimplify his action of wanting to destroy everything as destruction just for the sake of it. And perhaps he doesn’t himself realize he’s had convictions and ideals from the start. This has happened right from the very beginning.
This essay is devoted to documenting how Shigaraki’s ideals have always been present from the very beginning and how both ‘allies’ and foe alike have consistently denied their existence because Tomura’s actual ideals are incredibly linked to him feeling compassion and sympathy for others, which is not a trait either AFO would have wanted encouraged nor would his heroic foes want acknowledged.
I. How Shigaraki is constantly portrayed as a manchild
This entire page is the first time we see any sort of ‘villain’ ideology. Tomura is saying that the heroes are just as violent and disruptive as the villains, and that their violence is only reactionary and thus merely prolongs or adds to the cycle of violence - and that the designation of good and bad, in that light, is not a real designation. The Fallen Angel scans (RIP) put it more bluntly;
Tomura has always been upset at the way heroes are lauded by society for the violence and pain they cause. Because he’s been on the receiving end of that, whether by people ignoring him as a blood-covered five year old as a child so that heroes ‘could do their job’, or his father taking out his trauma over his mother choosing heroism over him on his own child.
But notice how All Might immediately disregards anything Tomura says? And how Tomura readily agrees? He’s standing here, a few days after turning twenty, meaning an adult in Japanese society, and he’s told that his feelings aren’t genuine. Kurogiri and All For One believe that to be the case too, which is why he’s being ‘educated’.
Stain throws aside Tomura’s plans as ‘a tantrum’, because Shigaraki tells him he wants to destroy what he doesn’t like. No one really asks questions as to why he doesn’t like the society that holds up All Might, not those who ‘care’ for him and those who don’t, so his actual ideals and feelings go unacknowledged or, frankly, infantilized. The framework here is that Shigaraki is a manchild, so his motivations can’t be complex, or above wanton destruction and the satisfaction he can get from it.
Stain is particularly important here because he’s also the first in a series of three adversarial villains to disregard Tomura’s capacity for holding ideals. Once again Tomura is asked his convictions, and first denies having them, but then states once more that he wants to ruin the society that made All Might.
Like everyone else, Stain then says, Shigaraki has something that needs to be nourished, a ‘seed of warped conviction’. It’s really fascinating that weeks after becoming an adult, Tomura is very much seen as a child by everyone around him. Kurogiri thinks of him as a child to be guided, All For One’s title of Sensei speaks clearly to his relation of him as someone who has something to ‘teach’ Tomura. Simply put, even someone who cares about Tomura, like Kurogiri, doesn't think he has anything he believes in but a childish need for destruction. And this perception is nurtured too - from how Ujiko talks to him later on.
I do want to also say that Tomura doesn’t protest against being treated like a small child or told all his actions are devoid of any ‘true’ meaning besides a need for wanton destruction. Which is why he keeps saying he doesn’t “have convictions” to people. You can see that down below, in how Overhaul (the second of the adversarial villains) simply insults Tomura's way of leading and calls it daydreaming, while Ujiko calls him a child with friends from the wrong crowd.
Why? Because he was groomed to reject the idea he had any ideals. In one of the scenes where Tomura has his third 'adversarial' villain encounter, with Redestro, he both affirms and rejects his grooming and we see in a flashback that the belief he has no ideals was literally instilled into him from the beginning.
It's AFO's prerogative to have an empty vessel full of hate, which is why from the start he starts telling Tomura that all he can do is destroy and all he wants to do is destroy. That morals and ideals are meaningless and only seek to control others. Tomura isn't exactly as a manchild as much as he's forced to be this way by AFO, with Ujiko and Kurogiri upholding that same grooming (the latter being programmed to do so). And the world reacts accordingly despite Tomura lack of outward disagreeing. As will be explored in part 2 of this essay, Tomura shows a paradox where his words, when questioned, mostly agree and voice his grooming and abuser's opinions while his actions certainly don't.
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I think there are some interesting differences worthy to point out in the various translation I’ve read so far.
Official translation goes like this:
“You’ll never exhibited the power you once did. Every organs was damaged. Your sense are, your ability to feel pain… all dulled. Your body is debilitated and you’ll never be the same again”
Instead fan early translation was a little more specific about this. It stated:
“ you won’t be able to use your power like before. You have sustained grave damage in several organs. Your somatic nervous system is impaired, is causing sensation like pain to become duller. Your body has become weaker. You will never go back to how you were before”.
Now, picking which one is the closest translation is dire, and also healthcare and medical notions are basically sci-fi in Boku no Hero academia. However I thought it would be nice to dig up some general information about what you find when you google “third degree consequences”, and thus what Hori would find first hand if he wanted to have an idea how to pick Doctor Ujiko’s words, and what really the fan translation means.
Let’s just with the skin. In 3rd degree burns the tissue becomes sclerotic and lose its elasticity. Which means that it might get tight around places like arms , legs and neck. To avoid this , surgeons do a fasciotomy: basically they cut the skin to alleviate the pressure on blood vessels and avoid compartmental syndrome. That’s might be the use of Dabi’s crack in the skin before current chapters: not only they let heat escape from his body , but might be the actual scar of cuts made to avoid him losing limbs.
Let’s follow with most common consequences of getting that burned:
- severe dehydration: due to the heat, the body lacks liquids. These can bring allucination, confusion and damages to brain, liver and kidneys
- shock: the organs don’t receive enough oxygen due to heart’s fatigue. The heart’s range is reduced. And this can damage several organs
- because you skin is cracked open you can have infections and thus a septic shock. This might bring to multi organ failure
- radbomiliosis: 3rd degree burns can cause a muscles rapture. So many substances that are supposed to stay in the muscles will flow in blood. The most severe consequence is renal failure
So to say, the most likely organs involved in the damages AFO and Ujiko are talking about might be: heart, liver, other abdominal organs like pancreas and so, and kidneys. So it’s legit for Touya to have spent so many years sleeping: to survive something like this dialysis and bypass seems pretty obvious together eith other measure to sustain the organs until repaired or replaced.
Now, down to the somatic nervous system.
As simple as it can be put, this system is famous for few things things
- it’s made of several nerves: afferent, sensorial and those who send input form brain to the body
- it controls voluntary movements of muscles system
- it controls the reflex arc
So an eventual impairment would bring the following consequences:
- emotions regulation. We feel anger and fear not only because we cognitively feels then but even because we feel the answer of our bodies. What does it mean? We feel angry because we have a cue that anger us, but also because we feel out pulse and blood pressure sky rocketing. We feel fear because we fear something, but also because. We feel an iron grip in our stomach. So not only physical sensation are duller, but also less arousing emotions should feel duller.
- because it cause issues to voluntarily muscles system you could have issue in coordination and such. Dabi doesn’t seem to have this issues, but this also explain why Ujiko was that surprise
- lastly, if affect reflex arc. And one of the most common reflects we all have? Avoid to get burned. When we feel too much heat , we push ourselves away.
In summary
Most likely Touya suffered from a multi organ failure physically speaking.
Instead his impairment to the nervous system not only would makes his sense of pain duller, but also would naturally reduce Touya’s reflex about avoiding getting burn, making easier for him to avoid this natural reflex. And also it possible Touya would have difficulty in detecting less arousing feelings such as peace or calm, leaving only most arousing emotions intact such as anger , panic, fear.
Lastly bear in mind this knowledge is Wikipedia level and its easily readable everywhere online.
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The Morality In A Hero That Kills
One thing I think people don’t talk about enough is this panel of All Might
Especially when we talk about Heroes killing Villains
Like, from metas that I’ve seen, people talk about Hawks as if he’s the only Hero we’ve seen kill someone. And of course this moment here isn’t actually showing the action of it, but it’s obvious, right? All Might went for the kill
And like... that’s so jarring. Look at this panel. All Might is talking, he exclaims, he talks with triumph, yet the picture is the opposite. It looks like a moment frozen in time. All Might isn’t flexing or smiling or cheering in a “we did it” momen of relief. He’s kneeling in what I can only assume is a pool of blood, with the body of All For One in front of him. He looks shocked, almost numb. He looks almost as if he’s staring at his hands, contemplating what he has done
All Might, a Hero, THE number one hero in society at the time, killed All For One, a Villain. He killed another person
That’s like the one rule they have, right? Heroes don’t kill anyone, not even a Villain
And let’s get a little more specific here. From the looks of this panel, I’d say All Might bashed his fucking head in. Let me repeat that; All Might, Mr Smiley Peaceful Good Natured Hero, as he’s portrayed in the story, bashed a person’s head in and killed them
This isn’t even like a controversial statement. All For One ended up coming back but even he says
So All For One did die
I assume that maybe, somewhere along the line, All Might didn’t check that the body was disposed of and Ujiko grabbed a hold of AFO and brought him back
And All Might fucked up his face so much, presumably by the bashing of the head, that you can’t see his face. Only his mouth is left
We talk about Hawks and his twisted way of manipulating Twice and stabbing him, and we address that he is indeed a Hero who killed, but can we please talk about All Might too?
And I just keep thinking about the conditions All Might did this in. All For One is good at manipulating his heart with words, pissing him off easily, so All Might did this with every ounce of hatred in his heart
Not to mention the death of Nana likely meant him carrying around that grief and hatred until the moment he could put an end to AFO, so you know he was putting all of his power into those punches
And, personally, I think there was some enabling on Gran Torino’s part too. I mean, his friend dies by All For One’s hand, it’s his job to train Toshinori up to fight and destroy this guy. How do you think he’s going to be with this? I’m not saying he was all “Kill this guy and avenge Nana” directly but maybe he allowed All Might’s anger and hatred to fester within him until the guy hit a breaking point.
Do you really think the guy that said “Don’t look for Shigaraki. He’s a Villain, he can’t be saved” and fought Tomura face-to-face, having no issues with kicking the shit out of Nana’s grandson and blaming him for ruining her legacy, is a guy who’s unbiased, even when he tries to focus? I feel like he could have fueled All Might to take AFO down without checking on his mental state and how this would actually effect him
(Not to say that GT is the source of it all, cuz Toshi’s anger and hatred was also something cultivated by himself and his own horrible coping mechanisms, but I’m just saying GT could have played a part in how Toshi viewed his mission)
And how did All Might feel after killing All For One?
Satisfaction, I’d say, for ending the man who killed Nana. Relief that this OFA-AFO business is over (until it wasn’t)
But how did he feel about killing someone? Obviously he justified it in his head that this guy was a horrible Villain who needed to die (that still is very much true), but then again... isn’t that the same with Hawks?
That Twice needed to die?
Now, Twice and All For One should not be compared too much, especially when one is a victim of the system, who was loyal to his friends despite following their influence of murder, and the other is a manipulative horrible person who groomed a child to serve some kind of sick brother fantasy
(Plus the fact that AFO has been an enemy from the beginning whereas Twice was friends with Hawks before he was betrayed)
But in this context of those who were killed by Heroes, they should be compared, because the effect on the Heroes who killed them seems to be the same
Hawks, as far as I can tell, seems to be burying any kind of guilt over killing this Villain he got close to. He brings up Twice as sort of an inspiration, that while he killed Twice, he also admired him for being such a great guy who helped others. That has to effect someone, right?
Especially since Hawks is the type of person to follow orders yet divert from them at the same time, like when he was first given the LOV mission and told to ignore civilians, and then he ignored that part and proceeded to save the people
I think it was the same with Twice, where he infiltrated the PLF, became Twice’s friend, betrayed him but also wanted to save him at the same time (unfortunately, he wanted to save Twice in a way that went against Twice’s morals)
That has to effect someone. There’s no way someone like Hawks, who cares about good people, brushed that whole thing off completely and left it behind. It hasn’t been brought up (yet) but I feel like this must be weighing on his heart
And so, what about All Might?
All Might, who cares so much about people. All Might, who was a symbol of peace, who wants to make the world a better place. Who is famously known for saving everyone with a smile on his face. All Might, who had a duty to carry out
All Might, who carried so much hatred in his heart that immobilizing the enemy wasn’t enough. Who decided to carry on. Who decided to bash his head in until he wasn’t moving anymore
All Might, who kneeled in a pool of blood, heaving at the effort of the battle, staring down at his fists. And before him, a man, dead
I know All For One is a monster, so horrible and twisted, but he’s also a person. A life
Just as Twice was a Villain who killed, he was also a person too. Also a life
The point I’m trying to make is that, despite how the narrative is portrayed and shown to us, despite the “justified” and “unjustified” reasons for killing, there should be no argument that Hawks and All Might have killed for “the greater good”
They had to deal with the aftermath of those deaths. They had to sit with the knowledge that they killed a person. That has to seriously fuck somebody up inside
They can pin it on “the greater good” and “a bright future” all they want, they can justify it as much as possible, but surely, surely for people who know right from wrong (who should know right from wrong), mustn't that knowledge sit so heavy in their stomachs? In their minds?
Shouldn’t that effect them more than we’ve seen?
Idk. I feel like when we talk about Heroes and killing, we tend to focus more on Hawks and his situation, possibly because it’s a murder that’s fresh in our minds
But shouldn’t All Might be judged too? Not for the fact that he killed All For One (cuz he is definitely a vile man) but for his mindset at the time? For his willingness to kill, if the situation feels right to do so?
Rather, maybe we should focus on the conditions a Hero is pushed into when faced with the decision to kill or not. Hawks, who is willing to corrupt himself for a bright future, who was willing to save yet knew his mission and what he felt he would have to do if Twice refused. All Might, who was likely enabled to destroy AFO, who has been trained to destroy All For One, who carried so much hatred in his heart that when AFO was down, he just couldn’t stop
We have our own interpretations of Hawks and his mindset, but I’d love to get a flashback with All Might after AFO’s death or during his training with Gran Torino. I’d love to see more of how All Might’s duty effected his mindset
I’ve been looking back on a few chapters and I saw this part
Which makes me think that AFO could have used his followers as bait to antagonize All Might and then kill them, for example with internal explosives or some other horrible quirk, just like we were shown with Nagant and Izuku
Which would actually makes sense here with how AFO phrases it. Upon first reading, it kind of sounds like All Might also killed the followers in a fit of rage. But, I realized that maybe AFO is twisting the situation to make it sound like what All Might did was involve people in the OFA-AFO battle by accepting the challenge to fight them and then got them killed simply by interacting with them. Y’know, like Izuku ended up thinking during his development arc
This makes me think that this is the reason All Might was reluctant to involve people with OFA. Sure, he was inspired by Izuku and gave it to him, but he specifically told Izuku not to tell anyone at all. He also withheld information about his involvement with Nighteye, presumably because mixing the people he knows with each other could get them killed
I tend to think of this as if Izuku left everyone, experienced AFO blowing up buildings and people, then just never returned to UA or continued to run away from 1A... but with All Might instead
All For One antagonizing him, isolating him, then breaking All Might so much that, even if he ended up dying, All Might would still be the one that suffered long term
(Which oof... ended up actually happening...)
I want to learn about the horrors AFO put All Might through, and I want to understand Gran Torino and All Might’s relationship before and after AFO’s death. I want to know exactly what kind of mindset All Might was in to just... not hold back
I honestly think All Might could have regretted killing AFO. Not in a way that he wanted AFO to live, but in a way that, after that fateful day, he’d look into a mirror at his worn and saddened form and wonder what kind of person he’d become; wonder what kind of Symbol Of Peace can kill like that
And we know about Hawks’ situation, but specifically, I want to know what his training was like in the HC. I know he kinda sorta has his own mind (that he can disobey orders while still following most of them) but I want to know how he learned, how he was cared for, if at all. I want to know how he grew up in a system like that. I think it would differ from how Nagant was trained, but still be quite toxic (and at the most, abusive), you know?
Overall, the question I would like everyone to consider is: What kind of a Hero kills another person, in any situation? Is it justified all the time, given how dangerous the Villain is? Is there a point where, even when we look at the most twisted and sick Villains, that we should consider saving them?
We would say “maybe, yes” to the latter question, but what if that person was All For One?
Does an All For One need to be killed? Can an All For One be rehabilitated?
Heroes aren’t supposed to kill. Should they ever be allowed to kill?
If not for the good of a potential victim of society, then for the Heroes themselves, who have to live with the blood on their hands, whose scars spread from external to mental. Would their minds be forever changed, living with the guilt or shock or ugliness they see in the mirror that could rip another human apart?
These Heroes, like All Might and Hawks, are willing to corrupt themselves in order to preserve peace, but what kind of peace do they fight for where they stand over the bloodied dead bodies of other human people?
Thank you for reading this far
This is more or less just me rambling about the morality of a Hero and stuff. Except for that part about AFO manipulating All Might to think he killed those people by involving them, that is very much a theory of mine
#don't get me wrong i hate afo's guts#and i very much want him to die#i'm just thinking about how that whole death thing effected all might#and also the whole death of villains tying in with hawks situation as well#in this house we question the morality and sanity of every hero who kills#i'm also thinking about the 'saving' narrative and who gets to be saved and who doesn't#just thoughts and thinking#feel free to ignore if you don't agree#i'm just typing my thoughts down#anti-gran torino#kinda#i certainly spoke with a bit of bias with him so#yeah he doesn't give me good vibes lol#bnha#boku no hero academia#bnha spoilers#bnha manga spoilers#all might#toshinori yagi#hawks#all for one#metty posts#mettys posts
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