Shang tsung doesn't need to be a "good guy" to be sympathetic or do nice or "good" deeds.
Y'all should understand that not everyone needs to be a hero to be redeemed.
That's some bullshit propaganda that y'all tend to fall for.
It's like that feeling of "if you pray to jesus,all you're sins in OUR eyes will be forgiven" type indoctrinated shit. Like no shade thrown,even as someone who is spiritual myself. I find people thinking that a villain in a story should become a hero in order to be redeemed,kinda suspicious.
Shang tsung,to me,has ALWAYS BEEN NUANCED. And already had benevolent qualities and traits. Y'all just only see one damn part of it because the writers suck at showing them properly.
Not to mention if a character isn't obnoxiously nice or mean,y'all don't pay attention to them.
It's like most of mk fans I've noticed,at least as of late. Feels like I'm talking to 3yr olds in media literacy.
So no. Shang tsung needs to be a NEUTRAL CHARACTER. not good,not evil,just self serving and even quite helpful as a tournament master as he is supposed to fucking be.
He is supposed to be that "keep your friends close,keep you enemies closer" type. He is the "the enemy of my enemies are my friends" type. He's scary intelligent,cunning,a master martial artist,a brilliant alchemist,and one badass mofo you do not wanna cross.
But most of all,he is courteous,a gracious host on his island,and his punishments are as great as his rewards. He does keep his end of the bargain,but he also gets compensation.
If anything you need to worry about earthrealms warriors more than him. Half of them now(due to piss poor writing) are hiding behind heroic deeds and false statements of peace yet they have unclean hands too.
With Shang tsung you know what you are dealing with,it's on the table. If you cant read the obvious,you are indeed a foolish one.
No matter what iteration of shang tsung you have. One thing is clear,made clear,and that is when you deal with him. You deal with the devil so to speak.
So if you're not smart nor prepared. That's on your ass honey. Not his. Do not blame him for your stupidity.
But if you know how to play the game,play chess with the serpent. And know these archetypes. Then you may have a better shot. But that's all on you.
Either way,in your favor or not. Do not blame him for telling you exactly what is needed to be said,not what you wanna hear. Honeyed words or not,there's always a sliver of truth and bitter pill of truth in his words. And he's good at making either people hate his guts or bow and worship him.
THAT IS WHY HE'S DANGEROUS. not because of magic,or experiments and other trival bullshit.
Nah.
It's because shang tsung is good at talking. Good at trades and making you believe whatever is what he wants you to see.
Even if it may go against him. He wants you to fuck up,get angry at him,attack,be unbalanced,so he can fuck your shit right up!
Holy shit this mans whole ass moveset is zoning and keeping you in a certain place in the stage even!
It's part of his whole damb character.
I could go on and on. But do not blame to serpent for telling you information for questions you ask him. You're the one who chose to bite his apple of enlightenment and knowledge so to speak.
Which is why the gods,titans,etc want these kombatants,warriors to be stupid. So they are easy to control,to get what they want.
Like it's glaringly obvious that mortal kombats story has these type of tropes and symbolism in it. But people are too blind,for various reasons. To see it.
I could get deep. It's a videogame,i know. It is what it is.
But the more i look at mk12/mk1 shang tsung. The more i feel its a missed opportunity to showcase these themes better for him.
Like holy shit dude. Shang tsung pointing out the hypocrisy of the gods. And whispers in our earthrealm warriors ears. And maybe convincing a few to join his side. Or even better. Our heroes,kung lao and mortal raiden to question liu kang and not blindly follow like fucking idiots. Sure just trust this dude right? Bruh.
Shang tsung is the only one with a brain once again. And i hate them making everyone else so stupid to make him seem better in the shithole plot of theirs. If you can call it a plot.
It burns me,that it's a waste of potential.
But i digress.
Anyways. Shang tsung,way more than an evil conjurer of tricks my dudes. Waaaaaay fucking more.
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I’d like you hear your rant on the encore cuz my feelings on it are mixed
I'm really, really conflicted on Encore, because like. There's a lot of stuff that I like about it. I like the insight into Charlie and Maxwell's relationship. I like seeing the eighth William Carter puzzle animated. I like Wilson (the survivor who knows maxwell best) realizing something's not right at the end. I like seeing the other survivors worried about Maxwell. I like Maxwell having to confront his past.
And I don't hate Maxwell being a double agent. I don't hate Maxwell going bad again for a bit. It makes sense for Maxwell's character. He absolutely has guilt over what he did to Charlie. He hurt her deeply, got her killed, and is the main reason she was transformed into the Night Monster.
And hell, I'm not against there being a double agent! I'm not against showing Maxwell's guilt! I'm not even against Maxwell going antagonist again at some point! I'm not against Charlie being manipulative! I'm not against a lot of the individual choices in Encore!
I just... don't like how it all came together. And my main complaint is that I really dislike what this did for Charlie's character.
Because like. Okay. Charlie hates Maxwell. In the game files, there used to be these quotes from her showing her resentment towards him. "Pride... Arrogance... Conceit... / This was your fault... / You did this..." And in her play, Maxwell is cast as a cruel monstrous tyrant hoarding magic for himself. She despises him for what he did to her, for dragging her into the Constant, for ripping her away from her home, her life, her family.
So here's my question. why in fuck's name is she dropping all that hate to team up with Maxwell again?
And like- you can say she's just using him to get to the team and get them out of her way, just using him as a double agent for now. You can argue that. Okay. Yeah. She's being clever and manipulative to get a double agent in the team.
But if that's the intention, it fails, because she's... really not being clever at all. Maxwell is literally the only one with a checkered history with the survivors, the one who dragged most of them here. He literally put Wilson through horrible trials and Wilson tried to beat him up for it. He is literally the least trustworthy of everyone there.
If Charlie made her choice of a double agent out of pure calculated logic and not out of an emotional place, then this is just bad writing. Because they'd have been trying to make her smart, when Maxwell is literally the stupidest fucking choice possible. Wilson immediately realized some shit was up with him. It's not clever of her, it's just. GIRL WHAT???
Okay, but you could also argue that her emotions towards Maxwell are clouding her judgement, because she's got conflicted feelings towards him. After all, she's implied to have been in love with him at some point. She loved him once, but at the same time she resents him for what he did.
Which, yes, that is also interesting and wonderful and I wish that was actually explored. Because from what I've seen, Charlie goes from "I fucking hate Maxwell so much I hate him I hate him he DID this to me he got me KILLED" to "Hey Maxy <3 Quit the survivors :3 Join my emo band :3"
Her being conflicted about Maxwell is never shown. We've never seen a moment from her where she's torn between love and hate for him. The closest we see is when she appears to him in Encore, and her face goes from this furious glare to a calm smile. That's it. That's all we've got. She doesn't even appear conflicted when putting the Maxwell chesspiece on the board, she just grins evilly. We see no conflict behind her, no depth. Just her being an evil queen.
(This is also a problem I have with base adventure mode, that Maxwell has no depth until the final chapter, and up to then is just a pure evil overlord tormenting you, making Maxwell's depth in Checkmate feel kinda out of nowhere, OSP has a video where she covers this problem for a minute, but we're not talking about that. What we're talking about right now is Charlie.)
In my mind, at least how I'm reading it, it feels like this choice wasn't really made considering Charlie's character, it was just made considering Maxwell's. Because it makes perfect sense for Maxwell to join her, but not much sense for Charlie to offer him to join.
Which isn't how you do character shit. If you want one character to offer another a choice, you need to consider if it makes sense for both parties.
To be completely honest, this writing choice flattened Charlie down for me, from "ruler of the Constant who despises the man who put her here and has this deep, painful love for her sister" to "evil manipulative queen."
I don't like it. I don't like what it did for her. Charlie I'm so sorry Encore did that to you you deserve so much better
Overly Sarcastic Productions has a video on plot twists where she lays out her criteria for what she considers a bad twist. One of them was "The plot without the twist would be more interesting."
And to be honest, that's how I feel about Encore. You could do so many more interesting things in the story without Encore. I feel like you could explore Maxwell's guilt further without the twist, and it'd feel more interesting. You could show Maxwell trying to fully gain the survivors' trust, since ya know, he dragged them all into the Constant (and for several of them, it was when they were emotionally vulnerable), and it would be far more effective without Encore.
And you still do everything good Encore does, just different, and better.
Showing Maxwell's guilt: You could do that in a myriad of different ways. And they HAVE done it well so far! His quote for the Codex Umbra in base game fills me with this deep, intense sense of grief! And you could do it more!!
And hell, his quotes about the Comedy and Tragedy statues have a far more interesting insight than Encore- "She's still in there somewhere. I know it." and "Her tragedy does not define her."
That's far more interesting to me! He wants to find some way to bring Charlie back to how she was, and he can't!! The Charlie he knew is gone!! Have him pursue the fruitless endeavor of trying to save the person Charlie was despite that girl being dead because he killed her!! Please!! God!! Explore that!! That's incredibly interesting!!
Showing Charlie and Maxwell's relationship: Buddy this could be done in so many different ways. Hell, it could be done in a way similar to Encore, minus the "Quit the survivors join my emo band" part.
If done right, it could reinforce Charlie's hate for him (which has been a consistent trait). If she showed Maxwell all their memories together, and showed him what happened to her afterwards, to hurt him for hurting her. To effectively tell him This is what you did to me. You hurt me. And I will never forgive you.
Because like. Yes Charlie has become more powerful than she could've ever dreamed. Yes Charlie is now queen of an entire world.
But shockingly enough, dying and being turned into a shadow demon and having the compulsion to murder anyone who steps into the darkness is traumatic.
Maxwell ruined her life. Maxwell pulled her into the Constant and got her killed. Charlie should have gotten a normal life on Earth with her sister, and had a normal job and normal hobbies as a normal girl. None of this ever should have happened. She became powerful, yeah, but at a horrifying price. Like bitch I'm arguably more mature about setting boundaries while still being a good friend after my trauma, doesn't mean it's good that it happened!!
(yeah thinking about it, this is another thing i really fucking dislike abt encore. that she's coming across as kinda grateful to max for. you know. getting her killed. maybe i'm reading too much into it and that 100% wasn't the intention, i'm not accusing klei of anything there, but. that's honestly just kinda weird and slimy to me like in what world)
Have Maxwell confront his past: See above, but also you don't even necessarily need Charlie for this. A fact Klei is shamefully neglecting storywise is that Wendy is Maxwell's fucking niece. She's the daughter of Maxwell's fucking brother, who he hasn't seen in ages.
That could be another confronting-his-past moment for him, and something incredibly interesting to explore! Because Wendy's the last piece of Jack that Maxwell has left- and arguably, the last piece of William Carter he has left. And Maxwell is an uncle Wendy never knew who vanished when she was like two, and the last surviving family member she has right now.
Would she latch onto him, having lost everyone else in her family and not wanting to lose him too? Would Maxwell try to bond with her now that he knows she's the last piece of his brother he has, or would he try his best not to, since she also serves as his last connection to the man he was before? Would Maxwell even tell Wendy once he realized? How would their dynamic be altered? How the fuck would Maxwell feel learning that he dragged his own niece into the Constant when she was in that desperation to get her sister back? Good god, can you imagine the emotional baggage there that could be unpacked?
Klei PLEASE give me Maxwell and Wendy interactions!! PLEASE!!! I'M STARVED OF ALL THE INTERESTING FAMILY INTERACTIONS BETWEEN YOUR GUYES!! EXPAND ON THE INTERESTING ELEMENTS YOU'VE INTRODUCED PLEASEEEEEE I'M BEGGING YOU PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
The Compendium desc for this short implies Maxwell may have joined her out of at least a little power hunger: YOU CAN HAVE THAT HAPPEN WITHOUT CHARLIE. DST has introduced a myriad of different ancient powers to tap into. Maxwell being tempted by one of those could be done!
And it could be more interesting too- showing how he really doesn't want to be powerless, like he was before he had the Codex. He needs power, he needs to be The Amazing Maxwell. He can't ever be powerless, like the man he was before. That's something that hasn't been explored with Max, but could be! And this could be strengthened if like, he was losing touch with the Codex, and felt a sort of panic about it.
Maxwell going evil again: See above!! Maxwell being like "HEY GUYS I GOT THIS COOL POWER" and everyone being like "MAXWELL FOR FUCK'S SAKE WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME YOU GOT AHOLD OF ANCIENT POWERS" and Maxwell being like "OKAY FUCK YOU ALL, I'M NOT GONNA BE POWERLESS LIKE EVER AGAIN" that would work!!! It would work!!!
Double agent storyline: Okay. I am gonna do a whole ramble about this. Because I think Charlie having one of the survivors working for her would be a cool plot point. Charlie having someone on the inside so she could spy on them more effectively, that would be cool! And it makes sense, since they're trying to do a whole chessmaster thing with her, and having someone on the inside would help her a lot!
But it shouldn't have been Maxwell. And I've explained in depth why.
It should have been Winona.
Now, this is partially a me thing, because I find Winona and Charlie's relationship far more fascinating than Maxwell and Charlie's, and I think Winona and Charlie's relationship has been shamefully underexplored. Klei you bastards you're neglecting all the interesting stuff and instead either introducing more interesting stuff or making cute shit
But like- Think about it! It absolutely makes sense for Winona's character, first of all- she searched over ten years for Charlie, she would do anything for her sister. And from what we have seen, she's fairly selfless- she singlehandedly repaired the portal to save Wagstaff, and she immediately moved to save her coworker in her short.
So having her betray the team because of her intense love for her sister would be so incredibly interesting! It would show that yes, she is selfless, she wants to help her friends. But she wants to help her family more. If she has to choose between the survivors she's known for some number of months, and the sister she searched for over a decade to find, she will choose her sister. In a heartbeat.
It would hammer in that at the end of the day, Winona would do absolutely anything to help and protect and be with her sister, including backstabbing her friends. Because she loves her sister, loves her so much it hurts. She just got her back, only to discover she'd been turned into a shadowy monster. She can't lose her again. She can't. Never again. No matter the cost.
(Her triumphant skin having the rose on the back hurts me personally btw and could serve as foreshadowing since no other triumphant skin has a rose on it. you get me)
And to me, it makes more sense for Charlie as well! She does love her sister, she loves her a lot! Her quotes in the game files about Winona are painful! And one of those quotes is "I should like to speak, face to face." So there'd be a level of foreshadowing for it- and best of all, it's not super dramatic foreshadowing, it's that type of foreshadowing that hits more on a second viewing.
Charlie wanting to ally herself with her sister again would be so interesting. She hasn't seen her sister in god knows how long- decades, centuries. And she's so different, she's changed so much. Charlie's different too- they're effectively strangers to each other. And her sister, who was always a bit overprotective with her, loves her still, after however long it's been. Despite what she is now.
So Charlie could want to bond with her sister again, to become sisters again, and figure, hey, why not kill two birds with one stone? Get a double agent, and be able to talk with your sister again. She gets her sister back. At last. And they both have to learn who the other is now.
And if ya wanna show the new Queen Charlie having a manipulative streak, you could still have that with Winona! And in my opinion, it would hurt more! Because this is one of the first times Winona's seen Charlie in years! And it would also make things more complicated on Charlie's side- despite the fact that she does love Winona deeply, she is still manipulating her, because love and manipulation aren't mutually exclusive. You could ask why is she manipulating her sister, and there could be an incredibly interesting answer to that, while still being like Don't Fucking Manipulate Your Sister.
This would also strengthen Charlie's chessmaster vibe, since- picking MAXWELL as her double agent is fucking stupid of her, pretty much everyone has SOME distrust/annoyance towards him, EXCEPT WES. So like. Yeah no shit someone noticed right away Max was acting off and had a creepy rose on his lapel
But Winona? That would be far smarter of Charlie in-universe. Everyone on the team at least likes Winona. She's one of their friends. She builds machines to help them. WX trusts her enough to let her repair them. So Charlie picking Winona as her double agent would be smarter of her, since not many would suspect Winona.
Except maybe Maxwell, the only other person who's had as much experience being around Charlie as Winona has. Which- more interesting stuff! You could use that to like, see how much the team trust Maxwell at this point. We've pretty much only seen him team up with Wilson at this point.
You could show him trying to team up with someone else to figure out why Winona's acting weird. Illustrate how the team are starting to fully trust him, and what he's doing to make up for his Crimes. Show him teaming up with his literal fucking niece. Show him teaming up with Willow, who we KNOW once worked for him. Hell, show him teaming up with Wilson again, to show how their friendship has grown since Cyclum! That could help bring Wilson back into focus as the protagonist, and actually give him more depth through his friendship with The Guy Who Tried To Feed Him To Hounds. god wilson needs depth so bad him being just silly makes him work fine enough but goddddd
This brings up- another reason I feel it'd work more for Winona over Maxwell is like. We all know Maxwell is gonna go good again. Like that's fairly obvious, at least to me. I highly doubt DST is gonna make him evil again permanently. Like yeah you get that sinking sense of dread as he takes the rose and becomes a shadowy chess piece on her board, but like. That is in no way gonna be permanent and we all know it.
But if Winona was the one betraying the team, there would be a lot more uncertainty about it! Like- think about it! Winona feels far more like she'd fully switch allegiance and become an antagonist, at least to me! She has more reason to! She JUST got her sister back, she ain't letting her go! It feels more tense and heartwrenching, at least to me, that Winona would become an antagonist. MAXWELL'S ALREADY BEEN AN ANTAGONIST, WE'VE GOT THE ENTIRE BASE GAME FOR ALL THAT. LET WINONA HAVE HER TURN FOR CHRIST'S SAKE WE NEED MORE WOMEN'S WRONGS HERE
And if ya wanna have an emotional gutpunch through a betrayal, than tell me, what's stronger and more interesting: Maxwell falling back into old patterns and joining Charlie for a chance at redemption and power again, or Winona backstabbing the survivors out of the love that drove her to search for her sister for ten years? In my opinion, the second one wins. (And the first one could have elements of it executed in the second one.)
Like... there were so many other, better ways to achieve what Encore achieved. And it just annoys me. Encore had so much potential to be far far better, but it just feels weird as a plot development. There's so much I like, but what I don't like outweighs it for me. heartbreaking: piece of media you like made a plot decision that is so fucking stupid I should be allowed to write Don't Starve I'd do so much better than those cunts
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Select bits from Sir John's funeral that I just love...
So we have Crozier reading out the part about Jacob dreamed about a ladder, set upon the earth, "and the top of it reaching to the heavens"...
...as we see Collins and Stanley, the two characters whose mental health is a defining part of their character arcs.
Then, "Behold the Lord stood above it and he said, 'I am with thee ...'" as the focus shifts to Goodsir.
"'... and will keep thee in all places, wherever thou goest'".
Goodsir, who later questions "is God here?"
The following line and shot are "'for I will not leave thee'" as we see Jopson and Blanky.
The two men Crozier left. Blanky knew Crozier was, just earlier that day, planning to leave them. Jopson likely knew, as it's remarked later that he knows everything, and perhaps he's the one who tidied away the unsealed letter and wax.
Then the Terror lieutenants, with MacDonald too. "And in Jacob's dream he saw the invisible world, companion to the known one we perceive."
The men who were privy to Crozier's alcoholism, and were part of maintaining that separation between officers and men... but also Hickey and Irving 'perceived' Hickey's true nature.
So, of course, when we have: "So complete it would seem to leave no room for its invisible brother world" as we see Hickey...
that otherness, that not belonging, keeping out of sight, experiencing thing in such a different way but no one notices or even thinks it's there...
And then going back to a shot of the men gathered at Sir John's funeral. "The departed..."
"...who though cleaved from the frame that carried them yet live." They are all departed. Dead. Crozier is the only one who doesn't die, but he certainly doesn't 'stay' in the world he's expected to.
The contrast of the words of virtue and strength, from scripture and used to describe Sir John and saying he's "destined to reign with Christ forever", being heard as we see Hickey in Gibson's cabin.
The white glove over the hand that will offer up Hickey's tongue, his left hand reverently touching the spot, the fact that, all that time later, Hickey has come to believe that he can be a new god and reign...
Finally, for this post, we have "and see His truth amongst us" as Hickey reads Crozier's resignation letter, discovering the truth of Crozier's actions.
And not one of them is god, or has the truth. They are all in this terrible place where the sun has set, in this strange world they don't understand, in this "invisible world of spirits".
There's so much in this scene, so many links, that I just lose my mind every time.
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