fallout tv show ghoul discussion
the only thing i dislike about the show is their retcon of ghoul lore- everything else is a banger i had a great time
but the lore changing the ghouls baffles me, as it retcons and changes literally every other game in the franchise. its funny, im not mad about it, im ok with the show having different lore than the games. i just hope they make it clear that its an AU kind of thing haha
mainly because if someone gets introduced to the series from the show, and they go off to play the games, theyre going to be confused.
so, what are the changes? well-
in fo3, theres an entire side mission involving the underworld, where the ghouls there really hammer in that the rumors like; that they regen and so can only be killed by headshots, that they eat people, that they can go feral at any point, and that they're zombies.
all of this is just propaganda spread by the brotherhood and bigots to justify murder and genocide.
none of it is true. they bleed and die like anyone else. but in the show, these things are not rumors, and they are completely true. cooper constantly has to take this drug from a vial that prevents him from going feral. theres no explanation on where this medicine came from, who makes it, whats its made out of, etc.
so, while in the game, turning feral is unknown, seemingly at random (theories range from genetics, lack of socialization, insanity, radiation exposure, and time) and ghouls dont just- randomly turn feral. but in the show its enevitable and therefore the hate towards them is justified.
the only things that are special about them is that they; age much, much slower than non-ghouls, that they can heal faster using radiation. (to my knowlege, they still need to be patched up. they do not just regen. they can still get shot to death, or maimed. they just heal a little faster.) and they need more potent drugs, as it doesnt affect them as strongly (mentioned in fo3 by some ghouls in a subway)
the changes made in the show heavily changes the stories of a few characters and places in the entire series.
for fo3: changes the entire underworld. these ghouls cannot leave this place. if they do, they're shot and killed immediately by the brotherhood nearby. they discuss how they're discriminated against.
in the fo3 dlc, point lookout, the ghoul there presumably hasnt left the manor he lives in for well over 200 years. he wouldnt have access to these vials.
tenpenny tower. their ban on ghouls would be justified then.
the entire narrative involving the water purifier and putting the serum in that will kill off all mutants. with the changes the show makes, the decision whether or not you do this has no weight and eradicating mutants becomes justified.
for fallout new vegas: dean domino. he hasn't left the Sierra Madre in over 200 years. he wouldnt have access to these vials either and would have probably gone feral a long time ago.
for fallout 4: diamond city. diamond city's ban on ghouls wouldnt be an issue anymore. since in the show, ghouls cant die aside from headshots, the ghouls being thrown out into the wastes to the elements wouldn't really be as heavy of an issue.
(i cannot comment for fallout 1 and 2, as i am not as knowledgable about the ghouls in those two games. feel free to add on in reblogs if you know more about them than i do)
i love the show, i think its awesome. im basically consuming it now with the idea that its canon -within its own story and lore- and is separate from the game itself.
cooper is a badass and the changes work for the show itself, not so much the entire series. which is fine in my eyes.
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“Kids are too young to learn about that stuff/ it might make them feel bad!”
My earliest memory is being told by a cop that “your kind aren’t welcome here” when my mom tried to take us to a playground. I was seven when someone called me a kike for the first time. The boy I had a crush on found out, told me he would never think a “Jew-pig” was cute, and then told me that as a “good German” he was going to put me in an oven “where you belong”. I spent all of middle and high school with kids throwing Nazi salutes at me, flicking pennies at me, drawing swastikas on my desk. When people started a rumor that I was blowing random guys in the theater, I was specifically called “Jewish whore”.
If I can deal with all of this from the age of FUCKING FOUR without it letting up for a single fucking week. If black kids can experience being called slurs, assaulted, being afraid for their lives because they know what cops do to them. If disabled kids can spend their days being called crip, spaz, being excluded from the most basic of things because no one, their peers and adults alike, cares to accommodate them. If queer kids can handle being assaulted and mocked every day, being excluded from activities because of their gender.
Then your fucking kid can handle sitting in class for a lesson or two. Learning about all of the shit that’s been done to us in a way that is so watered down, it doesn’t even begin to cover it. Your kid can spend a day sitting in the auditorium watching “Schindler’s List” and giggling like a little fuck and imitating the Nazi salute while I sit there with the only other Jews in my grade and cry because we know this story and we have for years. Your kids can handle history lessons where they’re told that they could be Schindler. While I and kids like me know that we’re the little girl in the red jacket. Only meaningful for our shock value and pity when we die and nothing more. Only useful as a rhetorical device to inspire sympathy and tell other kids that they CAN do good, all while ignoring the fact that marginalized kids are fucking tortured at school by other kids, their teachers, and the fucking administration.
If you can’t handle your precious little baby having to learn about the Holocaust, or slavery, or racism, or the maltreatment of disabled people, or the AIDs crisis, for one day in an easy-to-swallow teaspoon of only slightly bitter medicine. Imagine being one of us.
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Did u hear the news ab tbp 2 having most of the OG cast?
Oh snap. Yeah I just looked it up. It's got The Grabber, Finney, Gwen, Terrence, and Robin in it. I guess we won't be getting any backstory stories on the other victims (or at least not in the way I imagined), but that's not something I'm upset about. If the movie can hold true to its prequel and provide the same quality and effort then I look forward to whatever it is!
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You can just look it up on the internet too it's pretty easy. I don't know the validity of these sources but it's in multiple places so I think that makes it more credible.
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my mom does that too (she's Southern Italian, Sicilian to be precise)! I've been sick the last few days and she's been feeding me the world. She does that with everyone that comes over, hell she bakes a whole ass cake on top of the unholy amount of food she's already cooking whenever my bsf comes over! Southern Italians have a long history of discrimination, even in their own country, and throughout history they've always been kept more ignorant and poor compared to the Northern Italians, so I'm pretty sure it tracks back to that.
Oh hey! More support for my "thesis" lol. I'm sorry you're sick, but that's so lovely! There's nothing so sweet as watching a Mama bird bustling around like that. There's so much love and pride and self-esteem that goes into that work.
And yeah, as I was saying in my tags, it makes sense to me that those who have historically been traumatized by privation as a community end up with food as a love language. Like there's some kind of cultural assumption that ties distress to hunger and scarcity. I think that's what this over-the-top behaviour – hospitality, generosity, lavish celebration, harsh punishment, religious devotion – is all about. It's the ritualistic reassurances of a people all too aware of how even the most basic of securities can be ripped away.
I also think it has to do with how reliant marginalized communities are on kinship and family networks. Safety and survival means keeping your children and your children's children close, and the whole community acts as one to care them. So there's this sense that children don't really grow up within the circle of hearth and parental warmth. Objectively we are adult with complex emotions and problems, but within the homestead they're read very simply. "Why is the child crying? They're probably hungry." And the comfort takes the form of soothing an ancestral fear, like "look, there is more than enough food. Our people are strong, and so will you be. As long as we have each other, you will never go cold or hungry and alone. You eat until you know that. I love you."
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