#that morality thing
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Like, I have no trouble seeing WWX as a good guy, or even the least bad in the cultivation world, but if he can subject a man to forced autocannibalism and orchestrate a scenario where a woman is made to put her mouth around his penis before biting it off, then he’s far from an ideal guy imo. There are things no one deserves no matter what they’ve done. Mxtx could have done more to distinguish his actions from the way XY subjects people to cannibalism and JGY forces women to rape his father.
I've answered a bit of this before, I will repost my response as well as respond further to my own view as to why I don't condemn him the same as Jin Guangyao and Xue Yang. As well as how it is a fandom fallacy he did the act to force Wang Lingjiao to do anything.
About the supervisory office:
First, let me at least mark the difference between “gui dao” and “mo dao” as it will be important for the courier station antics.
魔道 (Mo Dao): Lit. Devil’s way/path/truth
鬼道 (Gui Dao): The Ghost’s/twisted/sly, way/path/truth
心 (Xin) Soul/center/core/heart
心魔 (Xin Mo): Devil, Soul/center/core/heart
鬼 (Gui) lit. A ghost/demon/crafty/cursed
With these in mind, the way Mo Dao is crafted as a cultivator, is that you have to have a center/a core, that is innately tuned to be crafted as evil, hence, a corrupted core. To use real mo dao, it needs to come from within to manipulate, not from outer external references, it is the corruption of the self and the still living to craft evil beings.
To use real gui dao, it comes from the dead, the ghosts and the supernatural, in other words not of much of the self. It is using the outside forces of death and non-living beings to use techniques. It is simply using what already existed before to craft an entity.
Now, on to the Wang Lingjiao and Wen Chao scenes and why these distinctions are important and it was just Wei Wuxian manipulating the two’s already heightened paranoia’s to exasperate the negative energy they fostered between themselves.
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In that moment, as soon as she opened the chest, she was able to peer inside.
It was none of her beloved treasures, but the body of a pale, curled-up child!
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She snuck within the room once again, found a long clothing pole, and flipped the chest over. Inside of it, her treasure sat peacefully.
There was no child whatsoever.
Wang Lingjiao sighed in relief. With the pole in her hands, she squatted down. Just as she was about to brace herself, she suddenly realized that two bright spots were shining underneath her bed.
It was a pair of eyes.
That pale child from before lay prone under her bed, staring into her own.
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As he turned around, the rest of what he wanted to say stuck within his throat. He was staring at a woman in front of his door.
The woman’s features were broken, as though they had been smashed and then pieced together haphazardly. Her eyes stared in two different directions; the left upward and the right downward. Her entire face was horrendously disfigured.
Wen Chao, with some difficulty, was able to recognize her from her scanty robe. It was Wang Lingjiao!
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Still on the ground, Wang Lingjiao immediately picked up one of the stools legs, and frantically, she began stuffing it into her mouth, laughing all the while, “Fine, fine, I’ll eat it, I’ll eat it!
Haha, I’ll eat it!”
She had already stuffed a significant length of the stool leg down her throat!
Remember, that just before these confrontations Wang Lingjiao had already assumed that Wen Chao’s time was up as well as she herself making plans to run away. They had already turned on each other, as she was planning to move on to a more prospective target, and he wanting her out of the way as an annoyance.
As such, both have created a negative space for themselves, also, remember all of the talismans for protection that they had placed on the outside of the courier station, and their effects which had been reversed by Wei Wuxian. Their 风水(geomancy) physically and mentally has been disordered. Their harmony is broken. Thus, they have cultivated an outside force for Wei Wuxian to manipulate and turn the two against each other.
The above scenes are simply the inner hell they created from their own paranoia and negativity they trapped themselves in. Wei Wuxian only had to change a few character strokes on the protective talismans to sic them on each other while he was on the outside looking in.
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Wen Chao cried sharply in pain. It sounded piercing within the silence of the courier station.
Jiang Cheng asked, “Why is his voice so pitched?”
Wei Wuxian responded, “Of course it would sound like that with a certain something gone.“
Jiang Cheng replied in disgust, “You’re the one who took it? ”
Wei WuXian said, “It’s wretched if you think that. Of course I wasn’t the one who took it. It was bitten off by his woman when she went mad.”
There is no reason for Wei Wuxian to lie here, he has already proudly admitted to his tortures of Wen Chao before hand and his physical abuse against him and Wen Zhuliu. Wei Wuxian’s entire persona here was meant to be cruel and monstrous and he continued further torture of course, but it was added on to the existing abuse that Wen Chao and Wang Lingjiao cultivated together already.
So, no, anon, Wei Wuxian was not a rapist in any capacity here. He simply played dirty tricks to make these two ruin each other even more by themselves.
Now, to the second part of your ask. Personally, I am content with the way MXTX portrayed the act of his vengeance as being different than Jin Guangyao and Xue Yang. Because ultimately, when he did choose to do this, it was for all the violence these two (Wen Chao and Wang Lingjiao) reaped themselves, by the mandate of heaven and Chinese Buddhist belief, they have gathered their merits of "negativity" to face the consequences of their own actions. Cruelty is met with cruelty it has accrued. Nothing more, in Doaist terms, it is the way of nature righting it's harmony that humans are not made for. An eye for an eye.
The way of the world is for a human to be able to balance the self in it, and not for the world to cater to humanity. In this sense, the only ones who are in turmoil are those that have misrepresented their own words and actions (i.e. Lan Wangji and Wei Wuxian).
And, as I said, Wei Wuxian took revenge on none other than those that had wronged him. To Daoist principal that is as it should be. As for Jin Guangyao and Xue Yang however, they did not leave it to just that, they steeped in obsession of hate. To be doaist, you cannot place obsession, of any sort, over the tranquility of your own choices and way. They continued to cause ruin without the give. This has already set them apart as lost to the moral code of a daoist.
Daoism is not about the call of morality humanity is, it is simply the act of natural actions. Good and bad, are human and a fight that is constant to make peace with.
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This is a big thing that I continue to work on unlearning/relearning
#care tasks#self care#cleaning is a process#a never ending cycle#judgement makes it harder#morally neutral#spoons#spoonie#disabled#nd things#neurodivergent#cleaning#oh no it's queue
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tw: Examples of reblog bait/people trying to guilt others into reblogging stuff. I am not actually saying the things below, they're just examples that I have seen.
I fucking hate when people say stuff like this. Especially when it's on a generally good post with valuable information. On the one hand I want to share that information because it could genuinely help someone; on the other, I don't want to spread this type of guilt-tripping and shaming and potentially trigger someone else like me. It's a lose-lose situation. No matter what I do, I am going to feel guilty. No matter what I do, I will feel like a terrible person. It sucks and I just wish people would stop doing this. I know it's shocking, but it is actually possible to make an important and useful post without guilting everyone that sees it into sharing.
#in general i just don't reblog anything that tries to guilt me into reblogging it#there have been so many times where i consider reblogging something and then see people saying the stuff above#and i automatically move along because i can't handle interacting with that sort of thing#moral ocd#serious#my thoughts
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grabbing lunch from earth-50101 before saving the multiverse🍟
#across the spiderverse#favourite squad!!! what’s their name#miles morales#gwen stacy#hobie brown#pavitr prabhakar#spiderman#spider gwen#spider punk#spiderman india#artovna#spiderman across the spiderverse#this is my subtle way of spreading the McAloo tikki burger agenda bc it’s the best thing on the McDonald’s menu#marvel
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Have we talked about the Miguel Burger yet?
I just wanna know if it was his idea, if he authorized it, or do the other spiders just think it’s rlly fucking funny and do it to annoy the guy?
I need to know WHY
#ITS KINDA CUTE#the Miguel meal#O’Hara patty?#the 99 burger#2099 burger.?#miguel o'hara#across the spiderverse#spiderverse spoilers#into the spiderverse#this was during the miles chase scene with all the other spiders#miguel ohara#probably a call back to the miles morales Burger King red bun thing#I’d love to see a punk Hobie brown one#with little SPIKES#if Gwen got one it’d probably look moldy 😭#pavs would also b cute#ATSV#ITSV
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I would like to take a moment to appreciate Miles's huge Spidey eyes
They take up so much of his face, I love them so much
#stares at you with my Spiderman eyes#literally the best thing about the new suit#spiderverse#across the spiderverse#spider man across the spider verse#spiderman#spider verse#spiderman across the spiderverse#spiderman astv#astv#miles morales
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Also, there is so much hand-wringing over the ethics of BDSM and while obviously it is worth taking care about ...sensation seeking is a thing. Many, many people enjoy eating habanero peppers and/or watching movies that make them cry. The conceptual leap from there to the idea that it's possible for sex to hurt good is a very short one, and sometimes it REALLY is as simple as that.
#like yes there are power dynamics as with many things including non-kinky sex and many activities completely unrelated to sex#yes sometimes there IS complicated psychological stuff being played with#but also. it is worth asking if you're working yourself into a froth because some people enjoy spicier salsa than you do#and also whether you wanna die on the hill that straight women aren't allowed to enjoy spicy salsa#normal ≠ moral#my posts#habanero salsa tag
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*Spidey and the Sinister Six having their usual fight*
Doc Ock, landing a hit: You’re getting slow Spider-Man! Age finally catching up to you?
Spider-Man: You wish! I haven’t even hit my 30s! From those costumes I can already tell I failed to save you guys from those midlife crises! Sorry by the way.
Vulture: Watch it wallcr- wait… Did you just say your not in your thirties yet?
Spider-Man: Surprised that this spiders so young and spry? Well-
Electro: Dude I’ve been fighting you for at least 5 fucking years! How old even are you?
Shocker, joking cause he’s the only one who picked up no grown adult acts likes Spidey: Don’t swear in-front of the boy you don’t want him to pick it up.
Rhino: Christ! You’re tellin me I almost crushed some 12-year-olds skull all those years ago?
Spider-Man, regretting his quipping: I was not that young! Like just starting freshman year but-
Sandman, horrified as he’s the only one with a kid and dad instincts(as of my iteration): I could’ve killed a kid…
Shocker, genuinely curious: Are you even old enough to drink? Cruel to kill a man who ain’t had his first drink yet.
Electro: Please tell us you’re at least over 25 as of this fight. Hell, I’ll take over 21!
Spider-Man:….
Sandman, realizing just how young he really is: Oh my god.
Spider-Man: My birthday’s coming up soon so I guess it counts?
Doc Ock, exacerbated: It. Does. Not!
Vulture: What would your mother think if she knew her son was out here risking his life telling poorly constructed jokes?
Spider-Man, offended cause it quips slap: 1. My jokes are great 2. She and my dad are dead so-
Sandman, hysterical cause holy shit he almost killed a kid orphan: OH MY GOD!
#they now think he’s some homeless orphan fighting crime cause it’s the only thing he has#my fav hc are the villains earlier in spideys career are completely against harming kids#so to figure out the hero of New York was like a child they plan to torture before unmasking and killing is well#not great on their minds and little sense of morality#I wanted to write a fic about this but ao3 is dead so take this flash dialogue fic instead#I need to sleep for work#doc ock#sinister six#doctor octopus#otto octavius#the sandman#flint marko#the rhino#Alexei Sytsevich#the shocker#herman schultz#electro#maxwell dillon#the vulture#adrian toomes#peter parker#spider-man#spiderman
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neurotypicals are so funny sometimes. “well, just don’t forget it next time.” holy shit. you’ve done it. you’ve fixed me. who knew memory problems could be solved so simply? i am no longer autistic, i am ready to join you at the social function. by god.
#/sar#raii talks a lot#i think it’s a combination of the autism and the adhd but an irl said “i am no longer autistic” yesterday when she got through small talk#and i haven’t stopped thinking about it. anyway if i’d known i could “just remember” i wouldn’t have signed up for this oh wow /j#attacking my math professor is always morally correct. it is always the right thing to do
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oh no bro whatdya do to your moral compass character? it's all out of whack.....did u overwhelm it with the inconsistencies and contradictions of the world? aw bro. bro please tell me u didn't expose it to false dichotomies. did u expose it to false dichotomies? bro
#well shit ya better get yer moral compass character recalibrated bro#in the mean time dear god keep that thing away from college philosophy classes
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That makes sense, & I’m sure Buddhist & Daoist philosophers had & have a wide range of nuanced views on the philosophy of punishment. I don’t think I can be convinced that “evil for evil & good for good” is “highly ideal” or “morally ideal” compared to “good for evil & good for good” but the way the theme is brought up does make narrative sense in the story. Thanks for answering my ask.
Of course, Anon! ( ´▽｀)
And, remember, you aren't obligated to feel a work necessarily hits the mark for you, objectively speaking, with it's thematics. It really can just be a case of hit and miss at times for you.
No need to agree with metas or essays that pass you agreeing with the author. I just think for the narrative itself it does it's job in casting Wei Wuxian as morally sound since he very willingly views some of what he himself did as mistakes and has regrets. And that is enough for him to step back and think for the better. It in itself shows this time and again with its journey for Wei Wuxian and the relationships he crafts.
The point of my last post as well, is that daoist philosophy is meant to be aloof and above the turmoil of emotionality to be at eventual peace with your own self, to dwell on the wrong without growth and continued wrongs, are the antithesis to the practice. Good is good, wrong is wrong, evil is evil, is objective and varied for all humans. It is the peace of the self and willingness to live as you are without turmoil, that is the goal. It is not about the overall human essence and outer acceptance or hate of others. To be natural, is to not take influence from anything or anyone for choices that are your own and to live in the world that shifts despite human presence.
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i loved the new spiderppl from atsv just as much as the next guy but can we hear some commotion for miles morales. can we hear some commotion for main character miles morales who is carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders. who was going to study at princeton just for a chance to see his friends. who juggles saving the city and his grades and his family’s expectations and the feeling that he’s maybe not quite good enough. who was prepared to fight time and space just to save his dad. brooklyn’s one and only spiderman miles morales. rio’s brave little boy miles morales. can we hear some commotion for him
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Posting because if I spend another second on this I will literally cry
#this took me soooooo long#please forgive the fuzzy quality#your girl doesn’t know how to save things in high res#I’ve tried#spider man: across the spider verse#gwiles#miles morales#gwen stacy#miles x gwen#Miles 42#gwen 42#ghostprowler#my art
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don't tell me i was the only one picking up on the Miguel / Peter B. vibe...
#across the spider verse#punkflower#spider punk#across the spiderverse#spiderman atsv#miles morales#peter b parker#miguel o'hara#spiderman 2099#peter b. parker x miguel O'Hara#is there a ship name for those two?#claysketchesstuff#it bothers me so much#how the ship slash thing looks im so bothered
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forever obsessed with dynamics between vampires, specifically that of a maker and fledgling, as a way to explore abuse. the creation of a vampire itself can so easily be a literalization of the lasting impacts of trauma and also much more simply the ways a perpetrator might shape their victim’s very identity. the extremes of isolation in the way that the new vampire, in most narratives, must cut all ties to their mortal life, or else go through an elaborate charade to maintain the facade of humanity, while forever still being removed from it. and the sheer dependence and vulnerability of being in an entirely new state of being, wholly uncertain of what it entails, and relying on another person to define… everything.
#or just the moral dilemmas#rewatching amc interview is kind of making me insane#that moment in episode two when louis is looking for a sort of assurance in the fact that lestat may actually have some good in him#look at how he cares about music look at the simple wondrous things that can bring him joy#and then the immediate dread when the opera performance turns out to be imperfect because he knows how lestat will react to *that*#I think there’s also something really interesting in the highlighting of lestat upbraids the less skilled singer before killing him#(slowly)#but also I will wait to watch more before I articulate my thoughts#vampires#interview with the vampire#amc interview with the vampire#i ramble sometimes#I do still find the lestat and claudia film and novel dynamic by far the most compelling for how she tries to usurp him but almost to be him#but I’m enjoying this#I’m very curious if I will like show claudia more on rewatch#the movie always resonated most with me (sue me lol) because there seemed to be more simultaneous fondness and attachment even at the end
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