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bebx · 1 year
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“Eddie fans are delusional” my brother in Christ, go tell people at Netflix to stop giving us hints/hope that he’s alive then???
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hellinhawkins · 13 days
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i’m not a huge fan of the “karen wheeler is alice creel” theory, but i will say- it does make sense, along some storylines. and the wheelers actually being (somewhat) creels would be something the duffers would do… so i’m not ruling it out completely (it would contribute a lot to the plot next season, for sure…)
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spoodersrus · 10 months
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okay Dan Trachtenberg directing an episode of ST5 is pretty rad. im absolutely not one to speak on him bc i haven't seen his movies but he directed the episode of black mirror with the dude testing out the augmented reality game where he sees giant fcking disgusting spiders and is put into his worst nightmare. which is all i need to know about how horrifying s5 will be
also FULL SPOILERS for his black mirror ep Playtest--
the episode is about the fear & horrors coming from within the main characters head. its about his own brain working against him. we're led to believe that he's in a physical replica of a particular house (that gives creel house vibes), but it turns out that the main character had just replicated it in his own head. his memories were used to replicate it. most of the episode takes place in his head and didn't actually happen, because he died before any of it started.
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xxmarzimoonxx · 2 years
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the more content we get the more im convinced byler will happen. season 5 will end with mike and will absolutely in love, leaving hawkins, and moving somewhere where they can finally be their true selves. probably roommates in college idk.
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stranger-frogs83 · 7 months
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WILL BYERS’S POWERS THEORIES‼️‼️‼️
OKAY SO whenever i see fanart or fics of will with powers its always light related or like ability to control the vines and ick of the upside down, which is SO COOL and totally plausible but like i don’t think enough people consider the fact that will’s powers probably have to do with time.
and that’s been basically hinted at already!
with the UD being stuck at the exact time will was Taken, it’s obvious that him BEING TAKEN was the thing that stopped the time in the UD - and since vecna has no reason to be doing that (and probably doesn’t even have that ability), it’s reasonable to assume that will did it.
now i don’t think he’s aware of his powers -and i think he’ll travel to the upside down in s5 and figure it out then- but we’ve seen already that the powers of other kids who were experimented on can be heightened by strong emotion right? well will was hella distressed when he got kidnapped, and i think it’s totally realistic that his anguish sparked his powers and froze time completely without him being aware of it because of how strong his fear was.
and i also think it’d be cool if will had powers related to control over demo-creatures at least a little and that’d explain how he survived so long in the UD without like. food or water or ANYTHING especially with aggressive monsters around.
and i think light powers would be cool because i’m a flickergate enjoyer.
BUT YEAH will having power over time (at least in the upside down?) is my current #1 theory for his powers in s5. and i have zero doubt that he has powers lol because there’s just so much evidence and little hints towards it‼️
and i hope we get to learn if he was experimented on in brenner’s lab? or if something else caused his powers? because there’s nothing so far that’s proven he had any sort of thing done to him, by brenner at least, so i’m excited to get the story behind possible powers
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whatsitzface · 2 years
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I have so many questions about the giant cracks to the upside down, mainly why anyone in Hawkins would beleive it's just a massive earthquake? Like, first off with the red storm in the smoke, but also a bunch of other things. If everything is already dying/decaying after only two days, what's it going to be like in hawkins after two months? Or two years after the time skip? How will anyone survive in Hawkins, let alone be allowed to even stay living there in the first place.
Second off, this "earthquake" is the biggest gate into the upside down ever. And it's covering all of Hawkins- heck, it's literally a giant X marks the spot over Hawkins. And you are telling me that monsters wouldn't instantly start crawling out of it and causing carnage and destruction? How? Is there some sort of thing keeping them out? Is Vecna making sure that none of them go to the "right side up" until the big war? If so, then how long until the big war even happens? Will it take Vecna 2 (or more) years to fully heal? I honestly didn't think El wrecked him that badly, but who knows.
Third off, do any of the people staying in Hawkins have one bit of common sense in them? Does the party not see the inevidable danger of staying in Hawkins, or is that the point? They want to stay and be there to stop the war when it comes. If that's the case, is Nancy even leaving for collage? Or Johnathan? If the byers stay, then is Hopper cheif of police again? How do they explain his "death" or is it just the zombie boy thing but to a higher degree?
What if some of the parents from the party finally see some sense and move out of Hawkins (like the byers in ST3)? How likely all of our main cast stays in Hawkins? I could maybe understand the Byers staying, but what about the rest of them?
I don't know, I have so many questions and zero answers. If you guys could help me point out some more things or find some solutions, that would be great cause I am so confused.
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We know that time passes at the same speed in our dimension and in the UD (characters who come back from the UD find the real world in the same state it is for those who stayed in Hawkins the same amount of time) so I think the space of the UD is a snapshot, and like a dead place that doesn’t evolve by itself anymore but where time still passes.
Good point; that makes sense!
Idk what this means for s5 though like do they have to get into the snapshot when it was taken to undo it? I feel like we need to revisit that moment.
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there’s something about this little moment here that tells you everything you need to know about the love triangle between mike, el and will.
i remember that video of eduardo talking about how the directors would pause to make finn and noah have a “shared look” and this is so clearly one of those moments. this is so prevalent to bylers’ relationship. they are the first person they look to in a room. they want to share their reactions with each other. they look to each other for reassurance in their own reactions. they know what the other is thinking at just a glance (“i didnt say it” “you didnt have to”). but what is so important about This “shared look” is that mike turns away from will to look at el, almost like he wants to share this moment with her as well. all three of them know what really went down, how its not “a miracle” as lucas says, and they are the Only three that know, it would make sense for them to all share a moment of understanding between the three of them. instead, what happens? mike and will share a look, share understanding, mike then looks to el to share understanding with her, and she is looking away. mike and will both prioritize communicating this revelation with each other while el is only focused on max, she doesn’t need, want, or prioritize that connection at this time. its not that mike and will dont care about max, they simply want to share that care and worry and reaction with each other. i think mike in general wants someone who he can share that type of communication with, so he looks to who’s supposed to be his partner at this moment, el (post love confession they should be closer right?), and simply does not receive it. i think you can even see the little look of disappointment when he turns to her and find she’s not looking back at him. he is looking for the connection he so naturally has with will in who he’s in an Actual Relationship with and cannot find it. he will only ever find that within his relationship with will, there is no replicating it with a girl he is simply not in love with.
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paradise-yuna · 2 years
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I can’t😆I can’t anymore 😆😆
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taeiris · 7 months
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after escaping the upside down, mike and will tend to their wounds in mike’s basement bathroom…
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mike is down bad
some things to notice:
- vecnas connection takes over will bit by bit starting on his left arm, reference to @pinkeoni ‘s left arm theory !!!
- another connection thing, separate from vecna’s possession tho- his areas linked to the mind flayer (nape and lower abdomen burn scar) start growing the mind flayer veins !!! i like to think of it as more of wills powers than a negative thing
this is also the art i was referring when i said i would sell my organs if anyone wrote a fic to, so here it is, go crazy, or don’t, but if you do pls tag me
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bebx · 1 year
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I don't know if you've seen this but OPINION ON THIS???
I can’t see the link 😭
Edit: okay I got the link now. This is about Jamie Campbell Bower confirming he’s playing Vecna AND Henry Creel again in Stranger Things 5. Here’s the video:
I have so many feelings about this because Jamie specifically said Vecna AND Henry. And like… yes, Vecna and Henry are the same person, but I mean… not knowing if Jamie said Vecna and Henry as in ‘the two being the same character just with different names’ or Vecna and Henry as in ‘him in his Vecna form and him in his human form’ is driving me insane.
Though Jamie has always been careful with his choice of words, so I think there’s a possibility that this is a hint that we will see Henry Creel in his human form again, maybe as a flashback. Or maybe (and I mean what if👀) Vecna turned back into his human form in the end?!!
Listen, I love him in his Vecna form, though I’d also love to see him in his human form again. So fingers crossed
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alcalystrasz · 20 days
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I predict a foreshadowing to Mike being a target of Vecna (the first or second one) to introduce: the Villain (Vecna), El and his internalized homophobia along with his feelings for Will...
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spacebolt · 4 days
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AM I TWEAKIN ???
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greenfiend · 16 days
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The Significance of Lover’s Lake and Byler (Theory)
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'Cause we're lovers, and that is a fact
Yes we're lovers, and that is that (Heroes by David Bowie)
Part 2 here
(Warning: This post has mentions of sex (nothing graphic)… if you’re uncomfortable with that please do not proceed.)
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So, Lover’s Lake has existed within the show ever since season 2, when Will mapped out the entirety of Hawkins. The lake is shaped like a heart (keep this in mind for later) thus the name “Lover’s Lake”. Makes sense within the town of Hawkins, but does not provide an explanation on a subtextual level. None of the “lovers” existing within the show has been associated with the lake (you could say Steve/Nancy but honestly it’s a stretch since they never actually rekindled their romance.)
This leads me to the question… why call the lake “Lover’s Lake” without associating any lovers to it?
Because maybe, there will be lovers connected to it… but they aren’t lovers… yet.
Okay, let’s get back to the shape. A heart. ❤️ Hm. Now which character within the show is most associated with hearts? Which character is even referred to as the heart by their love interest?
Mike.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that he’s one part of the “lovers” here. Thus ruling out many other romantic pairings within the show. Leaving only two pairings: Mike/El and Mike/Will. I won’t go into detail on why I believe Mike and El will inevitably break up, you can read a lot of different analyses for that. So that leaves… Mike/Will. Not lovers yet.
Okay, here’s the part where I may get crucified. The definition of lovers.
Please put your pitch forks down for this.
Lovers usually refers to two people in a sexual relationship outside of marriage.
With all the subtext (and actual text) around sex and sexuality, and how we see Will struggle with his own sexuality, there is a likely conclusion here. He’s going to confront his sexuality. To do so, he will have sex. With whom? Well, with the one person he loves the most, the one he affectionately refers to as the heart… his best friend… Mike.
Now, where’s this going to happen? What better location than somewhere empty and secluded.
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Reefer Rick’s lakeside house.
Now, who is “Reefer Rick”?
Also known as, Rick Lipton, Reefer Rick is a drug dealer who’s closely acquainted with Eddie.
He’s an enigma. We never see him. All that is known about him are the things mentioned by other characters.
He’s currently in jail apparently for dealing drugs. Also, he seems like a town pariah.
Also, he isn’t too keen on Fast Times (returned on time), at least not as much as “Cheech and Chong” (returned late each time.) That shot at 53 minutes and 5 seconds in Fast Times doesn’t do it for him, I guess. Unlike watching two guys get high.
His name choice is an interesting one.
“Reefer” Rick Lipton.
“Reefer” is a synonym for “marijuana cigarette”. Okay, makes sense, he is a drug dealer after all. But why the term “cigarette”? Well… there’s this other word that also happens to be a synonym for “cigarette”…
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Then Rick… short for “Richard”. Richard is one of the few names out there with a nickname that is also slang for male genitalia… “Dick”.
Then finally… Lipton.
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As Robin says, spelled like Lipton tea. Now, why would the writers use the name “Lipton” and even reference the tea company if there were no significance to it? They wouldn’t. We know this about them.
So why “Lipton”?
Let’s do a bit of research here, shall we?
The founder of Lipton tea was a man named Thomas Lipton.
Thomas Lipton just so happens to have been a closeted homosexual man who had a long term relationship with another man whose name is… *drumroll please*
William Love.
Okay, that can’t be just a coincidence right?
So moving on to Reefer Rick’s house.
We see glimpses of his living room, kitchen, and briefly his bedroom.
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Jason and his buds are searching for Eddie and this involves looking under the mattress? As if, Eddie could successfully hide under there? Haha okay sure.
The angle of this shot is interesting too, because the bed is essentially being shown off to us.
This bed with a blue blanket and yellow sheets. Hm. Interesting.
Keep in mind this scene is essentially unnecessary. They could have easily shown Jason et al searching for Eddie without creating an entire new set for a room that’s only used in one single insignificant shot. Therefore, I do not think it’s unreasonable to believe this is used for foreshadowing.
Then we also get this shot from outside the window into the bedroom.
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Look familiar? I thought so too.
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Okay. Now for my theory/prediction.
As I mentioned earlier, Will is currently struggling with his own sexuality and feels a lot of shame and internalized homophobia. There’s also a lot of evidence that Mike is experiencing the same thing. Unlike Will, Mike conforms to the society’s expectations. He dates El, performing as her boyfriend. This is comparable to Nancy’s arc in season 1. She also conforms, and like Mike, leaves her best friend behind. We all know how that ended.
Now, what better way to wrap up the show than to have Mike correct his sister’s mistake? To have Mike reject societal expectations in favour of his best friend?
Okay so this is my theory.
Mike and Will have their first kiss an episode or two prior to 5x07. Tensions are high, but they’re busy fighting interdimentional monsters along side their friends.
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Then comes 5x07 which somehow leaves Mike and Will alone by Lover’s Lake. The tension between them reaches an all time high, leading to a passionate kiss and then… more. Let’s just say it involves that blue and yellow bed.
At the same time as these two become the lovers they were meant to be, another character is being saved, or perhaps being brought back to life. Perhaps another red head, one we all know and love. Yes, a major parallel and contrast to Steve/Nancy’s sex scene in season 1, which featured Barb dying. But because Mike is rejecting conformity and being authentic, another character lives instead.
I mean, what better way to represent the beauty of the love and intimacy between these two boys? Their love is literally bringing back life to the world.
So yeah, basically I’m saying that Mike and Will expressing their love for each other will save Max.
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This also wouldn’t be the first time that Max’s survival is correlated with their relationship. As I doubt that it was merely a coincidence that in episode 4x04 we have Mike’s genuine monologue to Will, then we have Max surviving Vecna. In contrast to 4x09, which features a forced monologue from Mike to El, followed by Max losing to Vecna and barely surviving.
So, as their bond strengthens, Max’s life bar goes up (so to speak). If something interferes with their bond, Max’s outcome is more dire.
The writers have also been associating Mike/El with death…
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Mike/Will on the other hand have been associated with life. The birds chirping in the background of their final scene together, the flowers blooming between them as they stand together. Plus, blue plus yellow does equal green after all. Which is the most commonly associated colour with life.
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To conclude, I just want to say that I personally think this would be a nice way to end their arc. I know a lot of people are uncomfortable with associating Mike/Will with anything sexual… but the show has been doing this already. Whether you like it or not, Mike and Will have been shown implicitly and explicitly that they desire each other both romantically and sexually. The fact that they have sexual desire for each other does not minimize or trivialize their friendship and love, it’s an aspect of it… adding another dimension to their relationship.
Do I think or hope they would show anything pornographic? Absolutely not (do I even have to say this?) But explicit like Steve/Nancy? Yes. Do I think they’ll be only 14/15 years old when this occurs? No. This will likely happen after a time jump.
Being authentically yourself and not conforming is overall a major theme of the show. I mean it’s called Stranger Things after all. Will people be upset by the ending of this arc? Bylers included? Absolutely. Many people within the town of Hawkins and people watching the show will both show disgust for it. But that’s the point. It’s not “normal” and that’s okay. Different is good, and can be a beautiful and wonderful thing. We all just need to open our minds and hearts a bit. I’m not just talking about the GA; many Bylers are also closed minded and stuck in their ways too. Let’s all try to work on that, shall we?
Despite the opinions of others, Will and Mike will choose to love each other which will inevitably lead to their defeat of Vecna. Love concurs all. It may be cheesy and cliche but personally? I think that’s a beautiful thing. We all can learn to love more.
Anyway, would love to know your thoughts on this.
Then we could be Heroes, just for one day
Part 2 here
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xxmarzimoonxx · 2 years
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it’s funny because the more i look at twitter and tiktok and just think about what we were given in regard to byler this season, the more it kinda seems right? don’t get me wrong, we were definitely queerbaited to an extent, and that’s completely disappointing, and using will’s sexuality to further mileven was just terrible, but i actually feel kinda hopeful for season 5? anyways heres some mixed thoughts on byler that i don’t feel like adding to my pinned post and some will stuff too bc he’s my main guy <3
since the writers revealed that the jopper kiss was planned day of by winona and david, i sincerely believe that finn and noah could convince the writers to allow for smth between their characters, especially considering the way they have their characters act around each other (lip glances, longing looks, etc)
the lighting in the cabin scene? the stick figure drawing and the way it was framed? the dead flowers? these are not coincidences!!
almost every scene w mike and el has will standing in the background. again, definitely not a coincidence.
i also think that, in regard to season 4, completely fixing mike and wills relationship over the course of two packed finale episodes would have been forced. they have an entire season to work out their relationship now, and i truly believe byler will happen between the hints/parallels in s4, as well as everything finn and Mike have said (keep in mind they’ve seen parts of the script for season 5, and most likely already know how their characters are going to end up!) i have strong hopes, like noah said, i really feel that they’re building it up. we really need to see a post s4 interview w either finn, noah, or both of them. this way we can see how they react in regard to byler.
since filming for season 5 began early and the actors have already seen versions of the scripts and know where their characters are going, i truly believe what noah has said in interviews about byler being “built up” and stuff. it would explain finns behavior during interviews too if he knows smth will happen between them next season.
adding onto this, i feel pretty certain at this point that a lot of the actors be getting confused w what happens in each season 😭. like this would explain why it seems like a lot of them lied abt what would happen in season 4, and why a lot of leaks and hints as to what would happen didn’t. filming two seasons pretty much around the same time has to have had a lot of them confused, because im not sure why else all that would’ve happened…
bro im hyped for main character will next season. i don’t care if he’s a villain. i don’t care if he’s a hero. he can be whatever tf he wants as long as he’s not dead and is the main character (and main character he will be!!!)
my guess is that will gets vecnaed at the start of the season before they do that weird time skip thing. considering noah was in his s4 clothes in the pic w the harness (and that pic was posted around the same time david had said they started shooting early, so it makes sense that it’s for season 5).
im super curious tho as to how they’re gonna handle the time skip? i don’t know how they’re going to make it make sense, and i am worried it’s going to take away a lot from the characters (and no, not just mike and will, literally every character), so maybe they’ll do some sort of two part thing where the first part kicks off where we left off and the second jumps forward? kinda like the season 4 volumes but more evenly distributed.
everyone on twitter saying will might get killed off next season, SHUSH. as much as they like to hurt mr byers, imagine the backlash they would face after killing off one of two queer characters.
i saw someone on twitter say that like the point of wills arc this season was to highlight his emotional struggle and detachment from the group (his friends, johnathan, etc) to lead into his plot for next season. and yeah. that makes sense! and it’s also giving villain vibes 😍
it’ll also be really cool to see everything start with will and end with will. especially if he’s a villain. he would be helping the one thing (vecna/henry) that ruined his life, maybe even finding comfort in him. something about that is kinda cool, and im all down for a will byers villain arc. like imagine him showing mike memories of each time mike hurt him (verbally ofc) or smth like that and be like “look! it’s every time you broke my heart! now ill break yours 🤪💅🏻”. he wouldn’t kill him tho. we still want byler to happen. it would just be very slay of will. OKAY ILL SHUSH NOW.
i might add to this haha but it’s just some thoughts on will in season 5. if more byler stuff comes up in the coming interviews i might add it here rather than my pinned post because it’s just kinda easier. smh for not doing bullet points on that one.
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hotchocolatebeforebed · 3 months
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I don't want Mike and Will to get Murrayed.. I *need* them to get Clarked.
Like Mr Clarke has known them since they were 12 and obviously knows them very well. He's literally the sweetest and I feel like the boys trust him and his opinion a lot (even years later) so him talking to them and telling them it's ok would be so cute 😭
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