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orionsangel86 · 1 year

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The Problem With Thessaly

I’m sure plenty of fans would agree with me that there are certain elements of the Sandman comics that are going to be very difficult to adapt for television. I don’t envy the mammoth task Neil and the creative team on the show have ahead of them. But one element in particular which has been on my mind frequently is how they are going to introduce Thessaly to our screens.

It’s not just that she’s a TERF. It’s that she’s a cold, cruel, selfish, and inconsiderate bitch who only ever thinks about herself. Oh yeah, and she’s a huge TERF. There isn’t a single likeable element to her.

And yet.

We are supposed to somehow believe that our main protagonist, idiotic as he may sometimes be, depressed and seriously down on his luck as he is, will fall head over heels in love with her.

Sorry. But it ain’t happening. Something has gotta change. So here are my thoughts on how they could fix the Thessaly Problem.

Under a cut for comic spoilers (and its a bit long)

I kinda get the reason it happens in the comics. Kinda. I can’t remember the exact quote, or where I read it, but Neil explained it as “two people who you know are absolutely not right for each other and no one who knows them can understand why they are together.” He purposely wrote it to be a really weird match that didn’t make sense.

From Dream’s perspective, at this point in the story he has just had some of his biggest romantic disasters slapped in his face (at one point literally) all within a very short space of time for an entity as long lived as him. First Calliope, then Nada, and then Alianora, and he is hurting from all of them. Having to face his romantic failures one after another within the space of a few years AFTER having to go through 70 odd years of relentless suffering trapped in a glass prison has GOT to mess with your head. So I think Thessaly is basically the worst rebound in history. They are only canonically together for a few weeks but he somehow falls head over heels for this plain, dull, horrible person. 100% this is a rebound. He’s messed up. So yeah, I kinda get it.

From Thessaly’s perspective it seems she just really liked the idea of being the object of someones attention and desire even though she never returned his feelings and left him the minute he stopped devoting all his attention to her (god she really is a bitch).

So why don’t I think this will work in the show?

Because the show is a kinder universe than the comic. Dream is different in the show. He is already more thoughtful, warm, compassionate, and has a better self awareness when it comes to his shortcomings. He’s also a far more romantic character in the show, which is probably thanks to Tom Sturridge’s excellent performance and likeability and absolutely maddening sexual chemistry with literally every character he interacts with (his pretty face doesn’t hurt either). You just have to look at his scenes with Calliope to know that they are playing up the romance and kindness there when in the comics Dream is extremely cold to Calliope throughout their very short interactions.

Given the news that the writing team on Game of You will include trans writers specifically to cover the sensitivities of honouring Wanda, I don’t know how they will adapt the transphobia she suffers at Thessaly’s hand, or whether they will include that at all - personally I think they should remove it. Not to make Thessaly more likeable, but because it reinforces a really wrong view of witchcraft and magick that modern witches and pagans are working extremely hard to reject. Not to get too deep into these topics, but transphobia is a fucking plague in those communities and the last thing we need is more people thinking everyone who practices witchcraft is a fucking TERF. The comic even goes so far as to imply the actual MOON is transphobic. Like WTF? The moon isn’t fucking transphobic and “womb magic” is stupid. If I ever have to read the words “divine feminine” in a witchcraft FB group again I’m gonna scream.

Anyway my point is that I don’t think those scenes in the comic are necessary and there are plenty of other ways to adapt that story without resorting to transphobia.

The other issue is that if they do keep it in, they somehow have to deal with the fact that their protagonist is seemingly totally cool with dating a transphobic murderous bitch. Um. Yeah, not cool Dream. I think the show is going to do everything it can to make Dream MORE likeable and based on what we have seen so far I definitely think that’s the route they are taking.

So yeah Dream won’t be falling in love with a TERF in the show, that I am sure of.

The thing is, the best way they can deal with the Thessaly problem is also the simplest - Don’t include her. Just don’t write her into the show. Simples.

Because we already have a character in the show universe who technically doesn’t exist in comic canon, who knows magic and the occult, and who is MUCH more likeable and kind whilst still being a bit messy and selfish and totally a terrible match for Dream... Oh, and who also happens to be played by possibly the most well known actor on the shows main cast list.

Johanna Constantine.

Jenna Coleman is a fairly big name and one of the primary stars for the show. At least Netflix seemed to think so since her face was all over the marketing and she was included in basically every cast interview, even though her character only turns up in 1 and a half episodes. She is also playing a new version of an already well known character in pop culture and I am convinced Netflix is already considering spin off options for her. So there is no way they aren’t going to include her in future episodes of the Sandman.

Except thats where Netflix has a problem if it wants to stick to comic canon. Lady Johanna Constantine only turns up in one more Sandman story, and John Constantine doesn’t show up again at all in the comics.

So my piece of speculation that I’m almost 90% certain will happen, is that they will bring back modern Johanna Constantine in an extended or adapted role based on another character.

My money is on Thessaly. Remove Thessaly, replace her with Johanna.

I’m not just saying this because I think Johanna and Morpheus hooking up will be hot (it will be, don’t deny it. My bisexual ass knows a hot couple when I see them). But because it makes sense.

Yeah okay we have that pesky little rule about the Endless not dating mortals - but that rule currently doesn’t exist in show canon either, so theres no reason why they can’t just also scrap that for the sake of some sexy, messy, and definitely disastrous bi4bi action.

All jokes aside, with only a few tweaks to the story in a Game of You, you could seemlessly fit Johanna into it. She can be in New York for a specific case, hell, maybe Barbie and the sudden appearance of Martin Tenbones on a busy New York street IS the case she’s investigating? She can still find a way to break Hazel and Foxglove into the Dreaming AND when Morpheus shows up they can have another tantalising showdown like they did in episode 3. It works better with Johanna tbh. She actually cares about people, the motivation is there for her to want to save Barbie and protect people from supernatural sources. We can just make the storm and the collapse of the apartment block be caused by George or the cuckoo or something (or not have it happen at all since I am also practically certain that Wanda is NOT going to die in the show).

This ALSO means that much later on, when Lyta is having her breakdown and destroying the Dreaming, having Johanna being the one to protect her from Morpheus rather than Thessaly also adds a more human element to it. Morpheus has never been a killer, but sometimes his duties demand it. He goes to kill Lyta to prevent the Kindly Ones destroying the Dreaming. If it is Johanna blocking him instead of Thessaly, their motives align. Johanna would protect Lyta for the simple fact that she won’t let a supernatural creature harm a human (as much as she can - sorry Kevin), and Morpheus, being hesitant about killing anyway, would be easily talked out of it by Johanna. “Find another way to save the Dreaming, I won’t let you harm her.”

It just adds an emotional weight that isn’t there with Thessaly, who only protects Lyta because she made a deal with the Kindly Ones in exchange for more centuries of life - an ironic request when Morpheus (and Death) are keeping Hob Gadling alive simply so he can be Dream’s BFF.

It just works for me. Scrap the “no mortals” rule and you can have them have the messy disastrous relationship that doesn’t work out. It is far more believable that Johanna Constantine could break Dream’s heart - she’s already a known heartbreaker in the show (sorry Rachel). It’s a doomed love story a modern audience can get behind, makes sense, the actors already have insane sexual chemistry, and it could definitely hit all those story beats needed to get the show to a version of the Kindly Ones whilst also actively improving it.

I may first and foremost be a Dreamling shipper, but talking in terms of canon I very much want Morpheus to have a passionate short-lived heart breaking affair with Johanna. Fuck Thessaly. Keep her relegated to comic canon. Morphanna all the way.

And THAT is how we fix the problem with Thessaly.

#The Sandman #sandman meta #the sandman comics #sandman comic spoilers #dream of the endless #morpheus #Sandman speculation #the sandman netflix #Johanna constantine #thessaly #morphanna #johanna constantine x dream #a game of you #my sandman thoughts #what does everyone else think about this?#do you also want thessaly replaced?#I just don't think there is any way she fits in the show universe #she's too awful #and I don't personally think we should be making terfy characters likeable either

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taxinealkaloids · 1 year

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horrible children who are. so so mean to each other

#tlt #the locked tomb #my art #precanon griddlehark dynamic is SO funny. the way they are just no-holds-barred absolutely AWFUL to each other.#the fact that harrow made fun of gideon for saying 'i love you' over her dead mother's grave so gideon nearly choked her to death #and then when gideon recalls this story in gtn she's just like 'yeah lol we were wild kids'#also remember when gideon responded to harrow being kind of bossy with 'your parents must have been so relieved to die' like #imagine saying that knowing full well her parents killed themselves in front of her when she was ten!!!! insane!!#there's no sense of going 'too far' between them. they casually hit what would be considered by most ppl to be 'too far' and then keep going #anyway i don't usually go in for characters-being-kids-together stuff but i will admit that childhood gid+harrow #following each other around absolutely terrorizing each other because they're desperate for each other's attention but also full of #hatred and vitriol #does compel me #like...2 very lonely very traumatized children with only each other for company. what will they do? ENDLESSLY TORTURE EACH OTHER!!!#and yet they are each other's emotional support person. its so good.

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scribbling-dragon · 9 days

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missing ranchers forever and ever and ever (a redraw of THIS from a year ago)

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#i haaaate drawing shirts. i hate them i hate their stupid sleeves #and their stupid collars. it doesnt make sense and its stupid and difficult #its why i never give tango any. i cant do it more than once #anyway. RANCHERS! in honour of the wip currently sat at 10k that made me sad abt double life again (it's fluff. why am i sad)#juno.art #double life smp #dlsmp #jimmy solidarity #tango tek #tango tek fanart #jimmy solidarity fanart #double life fanart #life series #trafficblr #traffic series #solidaritygaming #solidarity gaming #tangotek #life series fanart #also yeah i kept tango's colours the same as his secret life ones. he just looks really nice with the pinks etc #(dedicating this to my mother too. who looked and went “aw what a lovely bf and gf”#and then stared at me awkwardly when i said neither of them were the gf. she did like the drawing tho

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c6jpg · 3 months

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Well? Have I convinced you yet?

#genshin #genshin impact #genshinedit #genshinet #xianyun #cloud retainer #m:gifs #m:*#m:gifs:cloud retainer #i just realized she said have i instead of has one.... hmmm....#not sure if i'll gif anything else from this demo tbh... there are some small shots i really like #but not enough to make a coherent set bc otherwise it's mostly just her twirling every 0.2 seconds LMAOO #and it's too chaotic to do my usual 3x2 ones #also for this at first i was gonna also include the shot of her smiling up bc IT STOLE MY HEART <3333 #but this coloring actually looks awful there adfjklasdfj #i also had to change up my vapoursynth settings for once bc the artifacts from sharpening were real bad here #mostly bc they went full bloom filter on her face and her glasses contrast against it as a really hard edge for vs #tldr; this demo is process-wise hard for me to gif ajdlkajfs

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tubbytarchia · 2 months

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@mcyt-yuri-week day 4 Grief!! Need Pearl to be held always and forever!! That's all

#gempearl #pearlgem #shinyduo #shiny duo #trafficshipping #hermitshipping #mcytyuriweekvalentines #More centaur cuddles... tee he #If I ever conceive of an idea in which Gem looks too big or tall I just make her a centaur. It all makes sense bam #again I do headcanon Gem as shorter haha when she's not a deer hybrid #Pearl being so awful at opening up and talking plus Gem who is shamelessly touchy makes me feel fuzzy #Pearl who can hardly ever verbalize her upset and Gem who doesnt ask for reason regardless as Pearl nudges closer to her #you know. you guys get it #tubby art

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metriawaves · 1 year

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feral look

#fairy tail #natsu dragneel #lucy heartfilia #nalu #natsu x lucy #mine #really puts into perspective how feral protective natsu is of lucy #girl been through a lot per arc jesus christ #but natsu continues to praise and be at awe of how far she come #not once has he belittled her as she's the one constantly saving him too #I'M feral for their reciprocal protectiveness for each other #self-coping cuz i'm tired of nalu crumbs give me the entire biscuit chief

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daisyswift3 · 7 days

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So I think I may have cracked the code. Listening to Clara Bow w this context in mind from the 4th, 9th, and 10th 🎃 messages makes the lyrics cut even deeper and explains the purpose of the anthology.

What Taylor is essentially saying is that above all else she is proud of her humanity. “Human. Human. Human.” “Flesh and blood.” Unlike some ppl in Hollywood like greedy big suits (cough SB^2 cough Big Machine cough) she’s managed to keep her humanity intact and didn’t let these negative experiences corrupt her or turn her bitter. She was able to find peace and courage in spite of it. And she’s saying I am abt to come out of the closet and while I am hopeful I’m also a little fearful. But isn’t that an amazing thing? Because being fearful, sad, furious, insecure, hopeful—these experiences are unique to humans! “Your heart beats red and hot and furious in your chest.”

“And most importantly, they will know about the human heart.” THIS is the purpose of the anthology. This is why she released 31 (13 backwards) songs for her fans to dissect and decode. Bc she wants them to understand that she’s not a god. She’s a flawed human just like the rest of us.

I think there’s a very good chance that THIS is what her movie is going to be about. Her journey out of the closet and all the hardship that came along w it and helping other ppl to understand the human heart. And I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a memoir that was released w it—“the professor said to write what you know.” And it makes sense too why the manuscript lyrics match perfectly w the all too well short film. Bc they’re talking abt the exact same thing!! She has a relationship w a much older man, experiences heartbreak, heals, and then writes abt it in a book—the story of us AKA the manuscript.

And this is why 🎃 kept referencing the story of us. I couldn't make sense of it a few months ago but now in hindsight it all makes perfect sense. Message in a bottle was probably a red tv vault track for this reason too. Bc the message in a bottle is the manuscript. The puzzle pieces really do all fall right into place.

#taylor u fucking crazy brilliant woman #this is literally the whole ‘fucking story’#it literally just clicked for me that this is why she had the film references at the end of the manuscript #idk that i’m gonna survive the movie #thank you 🎃 anon for sending these beautiful messages and giving more context to these already incredible songs #i can’t believe i get to be alive to witness this i am actually in awe #ik none of this has happened yet but i just wanna say that i am so proud of u already taylor #we’ll be here every step of the way #pumpkin #clara bow #kaylor #closeting #ttpd #the manuscript #all too well #all too well short film #all too well 10 min version #post malone #message in a bottle

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beatcroc · 8 months

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something about perspective, representation, or finding beauty in imperfection, i don't know. i mostly just wanted to say that fake pep looks like shitty ice cream.

#this was one of those things i thought of and was like. i cant believe i havent seen this done yet. it's right there.#misshapen and melty and the weird orb eyes are never in right....but that's the charm of it you know #pizza tower #peppino spaghetti #fake peppino #it's not important but technically thats dougie jones in the van #was going to have it be noisette at first bc lbr awful ice cream is SO on brand for her #but she was not inconsequential enough. needed 2 be fully bg type character u kno.#i dont know maybe hes selling them for her by proxy #i mean dougie works for the noise right? maybe he knows noisette+does her bidding too #<- doing the thing i always do where i find the MOST trivial characters or bits of lore to bring to the forefront for the hell of it #u guys havent gotten much of that here with pt yet but we may get there. i do think about mr. incognito too.#also SNICK i want to do stuff with snick i like him. we'll see. we'll see.#pizzaposting #anyway the second panel is my fave fp ive drawn yet also PLEASE fullview the first image. i die

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spaceistheplaceart · 1 year

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adult rated scooby doo but its just like the original except they can swear. thats the only change. no drugs either because its infinitely more funny if shaggy is just Like That naturally.

#hbo velma #shaggy running from a monster 'shit shit shit shit sjit shit--'#daphne breakinf a nail: aw FUCK my nail!!!#but they dont swear around velma bc shes 15 and babey but velmas so mad abt it and cusses anyways until they relent and swear around her too #scooby doo #im so mad abt hbo velma

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aeirithgainsborough · 9 months

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#im just like her fr

YELLOWJACKETS 105. Blood Hive

#im sorry shes so valid id suck too! i wouldnt wanna help id want 2 lie down and be depressed. its awful. shes 17. its okay she couldnt do it #think more ppl should give her a break #yellowjackets #yellowjacketsedit #jackie taylor #jackietayloredit #96yellowjackets #dailyflicks #tvedit #filmtvcentral #cinepix #**#like camping is fun for 3 nights max but i have a tent and food and comforts and i know im going home #after 3 nights i want my bed and shower

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tahthetrickster · 3 months

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tfw you have a messy breakup in (the equivalent of) your early 20s and didn’t want to talk about it and now 400 years later everybody has gossipy opinions on it

#have been having a gr8 time thinking about gay faeries from my childhood #when the group chat is lit #they’re both too embarrassed to talk about it anymore so now everybody thinks it’s some big huge moral point #it’s actually just garden variety gay drama #illudora #neopets #‘wow it must have really been something awful jhudora did’ and then it’s like. she stole illusen’s favorite hoodie and won’t give it back.

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dustteller · 4 months

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I am fully convinced that in a modern AU Esen and Ouyang would be absolutely insufferable. Esen refuses to shut up about how his boyfriend is the coolest, most capable, bestest man ever. Ouyang will get constantly distracted looking at Esen's biceps and will ditch on anything to go make out with him. They fuck like rabbits but it's exclusively really shitty 3 minute sex bc neither of them have heard of the concept of foreplay before. Esen thinks he's very good at sex and Ouyang knows he's not, but he's got a massive fetish for Esen's dumb bullshit which apparently also applies to the mediocre intercourse bc he's a freak.

Ma hates having to hear them and is desperately trying to evict them from her gf's apartment bc she never wants to see Ouyang's crappy face again. Baoxiang refuses to hang out with his brother bc he's so tired of every conversation turning into talking about Ouyang. Xu Da is grimacing bc he's pretty sure their whole deal probably isn't healthy, but like, at least they're happy? That's good, right? He's trying very hard to remain optimistic. And Zhu is incredibly disappointed bc THIS is the choice Ouyang makes once he gets past all his repressed bullshit? All that effort, and he decides to shack up with the most mediocre frat boy business major she has ever met? She should have let him remain homophobic. The two of them are known on campus for being that annoying couple that is way too extra and slobers all over each other in public, and everyone just averts their eyes in second-hand embarrassment. Esen doesn't even go here. When they graduate, the whole campus lets out a sigh of relief bc no one wants to deal with them. They're public menaces of the highest degree and no one can stand them and they literally Do Not Care bc they're just basking in the bliss of a relationship that's the queer equivalent of your straight friend and her awful tinder dates she's obsessed with.

#she who became the sun #general ouyang #esen temur #listen I just think they're so awful and annoying and insufferable #good for them!#dw they eventually calm down but the honeymoon phase lasts way too long bc it keeps absorbing the life esence from the people around them #every sigh makes them worse

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