#saying real people are “queerbaiting”
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real people can't queerbait. taylor swift did not queerbait you because she can't queerbait. harry styles did not queerbait you because he can't queerbait. kit connor did not queerbait you because he can't queerbait. REAL PEOPLE CAN'T QUEERBAIT YOU
#sjonnie.text#REAL PEOPLE CAN'T QUEERBAIT#queer issues#lgbt#im so sick and tired of people saying real people are queerbaitjng#taylor swift did not queerbait you. she can't queerbait.
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what's the origin of "trust the structure"? i always see it on macdennis posts but i don't know what it MEANS
Well the origin is the show itself, lmfao:
It's essentially the idea that there is (and has been) a structure in place for Macdennis becoming canon. AKA Macdennis is not fanon/shippers reading too much into the show, but a deliberate, slow-burn narrative being written and told by RCG.
BUT if you don't know what the structure is, I could not recommend watching this video by @youreeatingthedog more highly enough.
#MOST OF THE TIME when people say 'trust the structure' it's like#the anti-queerbait in a way#basically affirming#youre/we're not reading too much into it#they are both in love and we're just in the middle of the story being told#trust the structure#a lot of this show is meta#so reaching into the show for clues/hints/parallels is really much too easy to be real#lmfao#ask#macdennis#iasip
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Just saw someone complain that Taylor Swift spent over a decade queerbaiting people and I just want to remind you all for the millionth time that a real person can't queerbait you.
Taylor Swift is not a fictional character that is being used for marketing purposes. Taylor Swift is a pop artist who has a huge sapphic audience.
#i don't know too much about taylor swift#all i can really say about her is that#i remember when her career was first starting#and thinking “she seems kinda interesting”#and not doing too much past that#i do remember hearing from my classmates#about rumors that she might be a lesbian#but in hindsight#those rumors were probably made by people who were trying to ruin her career#but for the most part#real people can't queerbait and if they could#taylor swift has never really mentioned or hinted at being gay to begin with#so she doesn't even apply
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ur post about queerbaiting and the dismissal of people in fandom to critical analysis is so incredibly true thank you. i feel like marcille's writing in the anime has been super misogynistic a lot of the time and every time i bring this up all anyone wants to say is "well maybe this isn't for you! and you shouldn't watch the show!" like. i don't think this is about taste lmao, i am analyzing the text in front of me and coming to conclusions about the craft of it.
[This is in reference to this post]
YES!!! THANK YOU!!!!!
It is so so frustrating!!!!
It's like being at a restaurant and being served a bunch of delicious appetizers, but then one of the bread appetizers is literally just a plate of crumbs; and then when you're like, "Hey, uhh, why are we being served literal crumbs?", a bunch of the other folks eating at the restaurant are like,
"WELL HOW ABOUT YOU JUST DON'T EAT HERE THEN??!? YOU MUST NOT BE THAT HUNGRY, SO JUST FIND ANOTHER RESTAURANT AND DON'T EAT WITH US!!"
And maybe they say it politely, but "Aw, sorry, maybe this restaurant just isn't for you 💖" is just trading out an aggressive dismissive tone for a patronizing dismissive tone. It's the same message.
And it's like! I was honestly happy to move on from the crumbs once my complaint was acknowledged because the meal overall is still delicious, but then all these folks got SUPER WEIRD AND DEFENSIVE ABOUT IT, so now I find myself double-checking all the other dishes -- and, actually, you know what those eggs DO look a Iittle misogynistic undercooked!!!!
#original#queerbaiting#dunmeshi#dungeon meshi#falin x marcille#marcille x falin#marcille donato#delicious in dungeon#dungeon meshi marcille#listen i like marcille but u r right she is basically there to be a wet blanket a LOT of the time and that is a sexist trope#i think the bar is super super low for female characters in adventure anime and the lack of constant ogling maybe makes the female#characters feel better written than they are. i mean falin basically has no personality. she's got an innocent heart but that's nothing.#and i think these conversations are worth having bc no piece of media is perfect and this is how we learn to do better#also like. I've seen media criticisms that make me go 'oh you straight up should reserve commentary bc you#haven't watched the show and you're wrong' or 'i see what you're saying but you are simply incorrect' but like#i don't think I'd tell someone to just NOT watch Hazbin Hotel bc they have a bad take - and certainly not bc they have accurately#pinpointed a real flaw about the show (of which there are more than a few but frankly not what became the biggest subject of Disc Horse)#Angel is actually an amazing character & i think people mistook a criticism on the way abuse is glamourized as actually glamourizing abuse#like his song about abuse is called Poison and he's trapped in an abusive performance contract - bringing to mind Britney Spears#i think it is a wildly triggering and painful scene but i think a lot of people took the pain it gave them to mean it was bad art#but tbh they are still allowed to eat at the table if they so choose!!!#sorry i got sidetracked - as an abuse survivor Angel just matters a lot to me. i have a couple serious criticisms of vivziepop's work but#Angel is very much not one of them#also in regards to the actual subject of this post i think the most audacity of the responses i got was the one that said#that by complaining about queerbaiting I was 'de-incentivizing writers to write any interaction b/t women that could look even a little gay#and I'm just like. good. I hope they stop writing entirely. if the takeaway from 'please don't sell me bread and then serve me crumbs' is#'WELL NOW I JUST WON'T BAKE ANY BREAD PRODUCT' then that person is a bad chef. they should find a different job.#or at least do a whole lot of work on themselves. but either way i wouldn't be too broken up to know i won't be getting any food from them.#'just leave then' is so obviously a gut reaction defense mechanism & it implies media criticism should only be for things you don't like
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some of you guys think queerbaiting is just when your favorite queer ship isnt made canon and not a literal marketing tactic used to manipulate queer people into consuming their media
#and dont get me started on people saying a real human being is queerbait oh my god#‘harry styles is queerbaitng!!’ HOW?? BECAUSE HES NOT HOMOPHOBIC AND SHOWS HIS SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY AT EVERY SHOW???#THATS JUST CALLED BEING A DECENT HUMAN BEING#and if he is queer HE DOES NOT OWE YOU A COMING OUT!!!!!!!!!#think about the fucking word for a second#queer. bait.#BAIT.#the media is a fishing line the bait is the implication of a queer love story and we are the sad fish swimming up to reach it#but then the line is yanked out of the water#the bait has to be in the fucking water to be queerbait#some of you fishies are hallucinating#ill never forget that post that said steddie was queerbait like oh my fucking god#byler
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defending jaejun from weirdos online isn't enough I need to be able to explode people with my mind
#lee jaejun#TAN#to all nations#cityboy_log#cityboy log#idk however the hell it's tagged I'm just so sick of everyone saying it's queerbait#like shut the actual fuck up it isn't about promoting his group or baiting anyone#plus you cant queerbait with real people so fuck off and die#it is a SHOW with props and a script what isn't clicking in your empty ass heads
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why are we having queerbaiting discourse as a fandom in the year of our lord 2024 😭😭 we're just as bad as twitter oh my god
#real people cant queerbait. jance arent queerbaiting bokris arent queerbaiting either .#we have no right to know their sexualities nor do they have any obligation to tell us before kissing a man. they could be fully straight#they could be playing gay chicken 24/7 (they are) and that still isnt queerbaiting !#what they choose to put in that photoshoot 'authentic' or not is their choice#its so stupid cuz like i thjnk its such a nothingburger of discourse 😭 neither of the ships at play here are in direct conflict with#each other#literally for everyone on both sides : dont like just block#i dont think anyone in this fandom has malintent or is tryinf to put any other members down on purpose#+ we all have our own preferences when it comes to shipping#also i think stuff thats getting said is getting so misinterpreted and magnified beyond original intent that its making everything such a#largwr deal than it is#anyways! my own personal gripe: related to my orher post#why are we babying grown men lord 😭 i would also LOVE a jannacejure photoshoot but im sure its not hurtful for tjem if they dont do it 😭#like theyre grown men not elementary schoolers who need to be told theyre special#sorry that was a little more confrontational! wow we have really descended into disxourse today havent we#what im trying to say is this: i have beloved mutuals on both 'sides' and hold no hard feelings at all we're all entitled to our opinions#and i think it's really stupid to be drawing lines in the sand like this around issues that dontt even matter#ok! im done#vee rambles#ok yeah ive gone back and read all the discourse and my conclusion remains the same. i thjnk some people are reading a leetol too much into#things#but i think both sides have valid points#whatever we shall take it as it comes
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you people are so fuckin annoyinggggg when will it end
#'gay characters are normally used as a commentary of how they are treated in the real world'#first of all#wild that this is supposed to be a bad thing#like all stories are political in nature and have something to say about the world they live in#but then you compare that to queerbaiting and the kill your gays trope?#which is less commentary and more just. idk. straight up homophobia?#either that or stories with queercoded characters are coded by queers in hopes that the audience who could get it got it#which in many ways is something more personal to the in group rather than the saccharine shit in these gay shows#'being gay is not driving the plot or for forced diversity'#please give me a break y'all are sick with what they spoonfeed you#'gay equivalent of the bechdal test' take me out back and fucking shoot me#i need to watch queer people suffer because i'm queer and i have suffered and i find absolution in expressing that#ofmd#wwdits#gomens#mine
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The Weird Diversity of Wednesday
While watching Wednesday, my brother and I were disappointed to see the darker skinned characters consistently used as bad guys or jokes!
The mean popular girl, the bully, the shady mayor, the pathetic nerd. It was WEIRD to see a darker skinned character get introduced, predict that they’re gonna be a minor antagonist, and then get proven correct every time. Obviously, that didn’t happen with the white/light-skin characters, who had the options of being bad guys and good guys.
The only exception was Eugene. Instead of being a villain, he got the chance to be the loser character that the show fridged for the latter half of its run time. (Excepting the finale, I presume, but I haven’t seen that episode, yet.) (Also, Deputy Santiago is a black woman who is just a deputy, but she’s also working with Sheriff Galpin, and she’s such a minor a character I forgot she existed. That one depends on your perspective.)
If you couldn’t tell by my “the option of being good guys and bad guys” comment, I don’t actually think dark skinned characters being bad guys is a problem. A person of any race or complexion should have the chance to be a bad guy because villains are fun and allow for complexity. (Also, more importantly, because race doesn’t determine morality.) In fact, I actually really love how the show delved deeper into the minor antagonists.
I love Bianca’s issues with her mother and her siren powers. I appreciate that the popular/beautiful queen bee isn’t a blonde white girl. I love the way the show humanizes the “mean girl” by demonstrating that she has more depth than her mean girl caricature, such as her talking with Wednesday at the dance about struggling with connection or her trying to save Lucas from getting scammed by her mom.
Lucas, similarly, is really fun as a villain. My brother and I got a kick out of how much game this guy had. Almost every girl he shared a screen with had chemistry or a mini-romance subplot with him! Go off, Casanova! I also liked that his reasons for attacking the dance wasn’t just cartoonish bigotry, but a human reaction to Wednesday kinda sorta enacting domestic terrorism at his dad’s ceremony. And it was cool to see him change and grow over the course of the season!
The show almost works! But it doesn’t, and Morticia’s scene with the mayor demonstrates why.
There’s a scene in this show where Morticia Addams, a white woman, tells a black man he has "no idea what it's like not to be believed."
Obviously the show was going for the “me-too” movement, identifying how her background as an outcast and a woman made her more vulnerable to victim blaming and disbelief. But it’s kind of crazy to me that they had her say that to a black man because black men have historically also had issues with being believed due to their marginalized status.
There is something to be said about how being a woman is different from being a man, how women are uniquely ignored, but Morticia, I’m sure the Mayor—as a black man in America—does have at least some awareness of what that’s like. Especially, especially, with the history of white women falsely accusing black men of crimes and getting them lynched or locked up because nobody would believe their word over a white woman’s.
It’s astounding that the show doesn’t address this context, and it makes the scene come off as ignorant. Almost willfully so. In fact, so much of this show felt like the reason they made “outcast” a marginalized social group was so that they could have white people be the victims of oppression with the most screen time on their tv show about marginalization, like they’re appropriating marginalized stories.
And this is consistent. They did this with LGBT+ themes, as well! Enid, a character who has no queer aspects to her character (only shown dating guys, no canon hints about same gender attraction), got an entire subplot about her mom trying to put her into “werewolf conversion therapy,” AND she got an entire scene where she told off her mom while wearing rainbow eyeshadow. Meanwhile, the actual LGBT content of the show consists entirely of two background characters (Eugene’s moms).
It honestly reminded me of the scene in the Vampire Diaries where Caroline, a vampire, gets electric shocks from her human dad, who is trying to use conversion therapy to turn her back into a human. Only, the dad character is ALSO canonically a gay man, for some reason.
Like, what is with this thing of creating fictional marginal statuses as a way to talk about social issues without actually involving said issues (no actual homophobia or colorism). Without actually creating main characters of real life marginalized status (no LGBT main characters). While also having the real life marginalized characters that do exist acting as the oppressors???? (Lucas, the Mayor, Caroline’s dad).
So yeah, the show is really interesting with its diversity. It almost works, as the stories it’s telling are cool and nuanced, but within the context of real life and the casting, the show is tone deaf. Plus, the show being somewhat produced and directed by Tim Burton (a guy who thinks that black characters must justify their blackness to exist in his works, and as a result, his works almost feature white people exclusively) does NOT help.
#wednesday netflix#wednesday 2022#my thoughts#literary analysis#metas#meta#basically all the producers and directors except for 2 people are white#Disney's Luca does the same thing with marginalized fish monsters and background gay characters#I'd probably bandaid this by casting Xavier black#that has its own issues#the real solution would be having black people with creative control#so that they can catch structural issues like the stuff mentioned here#im not black so feel free to critique my critique if im saying something off here#@Tim Burton WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT THE DEFAULT#Enid’s whole thing is giving me Queerbaiting vibes tbh#RWBY also did this with the Faunus#despite everything ive written i enjoyed wednesday a lot
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I'm not a fan of gatekeeping but everytime I fucking see a certain type of white allocishet in kpop spaces I change my stance
Like I just want to watch cute videos of groups wearing rainbows and hugging each other without someone saying shit like "oh they only act supportive so they don't get cancelled, they're probably homophobic/racist behind the scenes"
Like yeah that has unfortunately been the case (Siwon go fuck your queerbaiting self in the ass with your dog) with some idols, but not everyone is like that?? Also citing that they're from South Korea which is very conservative like everyone there thinks exactly the same and doesn't have access to the internet. Queer people and poc exist in South Korea as well and the fact that people act like they don't really says something. For fuck's sake, part of my family came from a similarly conservative Asian country and managed to not be racist/homophobic, because guess what? not everyone from one country has the same beliefs.
It's also unfair that queer people/poc can't enjoy fandom spaces without being reminded that there are people who literally want us dead for existing like?? Yeah I don't know these people personally and don't claim to know what their beliefs are, but I like to believe that Mamamoo means it when they hold events to support queer fans or that Chan was making a concious effort to talk about periods in a gender neutral fashion or that P1H wasn't just trying to gain clout when they talked about cultural appropriation in the industry. But no, everytime a group comes around that seems to be safe people feel the need to ruin it for us.
I don't know who needs to hear this but just let minorities find joy in something oh my god
#tw homophobia#tw racism#this doesn't just apply to kpop but#i was watching a video compilation of dreamcatcher being supportive to queer fans#and people were like “lol they actually hate you guys but you make them money”#and it's frustrating because why can't we enjoy things without needing to be on guard at all times#so that kind of inspired this rant#fun#also friendly reminder real people can't queerbait unless their name is choi siwon#and i'm not saying idols can't do anything wrong but like it's not healthy to ways assume the worst in everyone#like yeah if one of my ults ends up doing bad shit then i'll drop them but in the mean time i want to be able to enjoy myself#and now i'm just rambling in the tags i'll stop
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#I’m sure Daniel Craig doesn’t need me to defend him on niche corners of the internet#but so help me if I see another rancid take about actors and sexuality and the roles they’re allowed to play#I am going to put this whole app in the bin#say it with me REAL LIFE PEOPLE CANNOT QUEERBAIT YOU#normally I can just roll my eyes and walk away but idk#but insert something here about being a bi person in a straight presenting relationship#with another bi person#watching someone else in a straight presenting relationship get torn to shreds for their complex relationship to sexuality in the public ey#anyway I can’t wait to go and see queer when it comes out and to ignore all the disc horse on the internet about it#okay I’ll shut up now#to delete later#probably
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gaylors are a new covid variant
#y’all irk me#why are you speculating on a real life person’s sexuality ? what business of that is yours ?#also what’s your argument? karlie kloss? the republican?? ok#taylor swift#1989 taylor's version#it’s perfectly fine to relate to her music and perceive it through a queer lens that’s cool that’s yours and no one can take that from you#but trying to force labels on a woman who can’t so much as step outside for a walk without the media going on a frenzy is insane#real life people can’t queerbait you cannot force labels on someone#i saw someone on tiktok say the bigger fan of taylor you are the less it seems like you treat her like an actual person & not a zoo animal#that’s so fucking painfully true
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When someone calls Harry Styles straight, It’s “omg he’s never said he’s straight, he’s unlabelled!”
But when someone calls him queer, his fans are either in silent agreement or “yesss this one line from this song of his completely confirms that he’s queer🤪”
What, so he cannot ever be straight bc he never said he was, but it’s totally fine to say he’s queer even though he also never confirmed that?
#‘real people can’t queerbait’ shut the fuck up. shut the fuck up and go read a book. get off twitter and talk to queer people irl. there’s#being in the closet or being an ally. then there’s profiting off of the queer aesthetic and from the community while saying nothing of#substance in actual support of the community. no ‘love is love’ does not fucking cut it.#one day Harry styles is going to come out as straight Misha collins style and his fans are going to lose their fucking minds#anti Harry styles
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droners might have some flaws but i really think that if someone wants to write a proper rivals to lovers dynamic then they should study whatever hannah and corto have as a reference
#like just. i have heard a bunch of people complain about enemies to lovers dynamics sometimes accidentally turning out to just be toxic#because of the writers not nailing down the jackpot of the hostility from both parties being balanced#and also other reasons. and i myself have my own too. bcs its just not an easy dynamic to write#but genuiely so far? so far these two have none of these issues#their relationship goes from hating each other to considering each other a more respected rival to genuine friends in a great way that-#-doesnt feel rushed or unnatural#and they're unified by having far more similarities than you'd think they'd have at first glance. which was both why they hated each other#and why they work so great now that they're friends#AND their haterism towards each other back when they werent friends was very balanced and equal. they both hated each others guts lmao#and now that they're friends they still bicker but it was said directly that now its just how they act when racing is involved & theyre-#competing against each other. like that one 'best friends off court sworn enemies on it. athletes understand' meme#and outside of it they're genuiely friends and like each other#and EVEN DURING RACING. HAVE YOU SEEN THE MECHANIX RACE#their bickering during the race is pure fun for them they're LAUGHING TOGETHER it's so great#PLUS THE SHOW WENT OUT OF ITS WAY MORE THAN ONCE TO SHOW HOW WELL THEY CAN SYNCHRONIZE.#HOW WELL THEY CAN WORK TOGETHER.#i could say more. i could say more about them. but just know that the droners yuri is real#for the record though they're not. canon. i dont want to queerbait anyone on accident.#but i havent seen a single fan that wouldnt agree that they have something going on there#which even with a fandom this small is saying something
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has anyone pointed out that harry has an extremely well known song titled olivia yet
OF COURSE, they did--when you're clutchin' at straws to come up with anyone but Olivia Wilde, that song's just one of many, here's an amazing list, even! Jesus, the way some people doubled down on the random cats and dogs, lmaoooo
#harry styles#has a tattoo that says olivia on his inner thigh#that is sadly not about taylor swift's cat :(#i gotta lotta thoughts on the people all upset about that tat--how fragile the entire ecosystem must be#anon about queerbaiting#no!#real-life people cannot queerbait#real-life people explore their sexuality and sometimes they share it#sometimes they signal it#sometimes they learn more later#people who queerbait are the people writing a tv show or a movie and pretending that a pairing is going to be gay#teasing that it is#promising that it is#and then making it straighty 180 after they got some buzz about it
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#feeling a little guilty for wishing they hadn’t kissed#not trying to start anything#idk I wish I knew of real life old people in qprs#I kind of don’t have any qpr role models anymore and I’m a little bummed#good omens s2 spoilers#gos2spoilers#maybe the plus side is neither of them enjoyed it?#lol#and I guess aro ppl can kiss#and ng did say they were aro#also they’re not real#plus I guess a lot of the media that can be claimed as aro relationship rep is actually queerbaiting so idk#it’s lonely out here is all#this is mostly the nighttime brain hamsters running around their little wheels#plus I ate two more kale hotdogs before watching and I have Regrets
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