I know you hate canon Yang but do you think she and Mercury could at one point bond over having been messed up by a parent that made them base their worth on their strength?

....Long Post Ahead

Anon let me tell you-

I fucking hate that people now believe Adam was Yang's foil because the writers fucked up. No, he's not. He's Blake's foil; they share the same story, and the same past, and everything about them was supposed to be linked together down to their fairy tale allusion. Whatever came out of making him and Yang rivals are bullshit ass-pulls.

Mercury was designed to be her foil; he has a grey monotone color palette and a very low-key, cyberpunk-esque fashion while Yang is in a warm-tone, bright-colored palette with a steampunk style that sets her out from others visually. She's mostly a boxer, while he's focused on kick-based combat. Mercury doesn't have a semblance and has to rely on his own skills, and Yang relies TOO much on hers and it becomes her double-edged sword.

Mercury has a terrible father and no mother, suffering alone in a home that took everything from him and forced him to kill. Yang might not have Raven, but she has a loving family who cares for her even when they're not perfect. Everything about them was set up to be a narrative of two people who could very easily become the other had the circumstances of their lives been different, but their actions had also led them to this point and they have to take control of their future now that a new chapter begin.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, should have changed this aside from the fact that MK and CRWBY are fucking stupid enough to make Yang wedge into a narrative that she DOES not give a fuck about even though she supposedly cares about Blake and her causes, but never fucking does anything for the Faunus or even talk to Blake about her goals for them. It muddles their characters (Yang, Blake, Mercury, and Adam) because now the writers have to make dumbass fucking reasons for Yang and Adam to fight each other when Mercury and Blake are right fucking there.

I made a post about this subject before here and the same sentiment still stands. I fucking hate it here.

what are your thoughts on the whole crwby stating there are lgbt characters and well there will be characters who will realize they are lgbt over time I have seen people use that as an argument for bb

they can say that all they like but we also have the constant theme of what monty had said, in that queer rep needed to be earned (unlike cishet rep i guess?), & how that attitude has remained pervasive for years after his death.

crwby can say queer characters will be in the show, but that doesn't erase the harm that the queerbaiting they've already done & the way they've treated already queer characters, of which there are few, & it would be laughable to think otherwise.

this also doesn't even get into theirs & the company's treatment of actual queer people under their employ. kdin has come out to say that the "crwby" fans have in their mind when they're so desperate to dissect them from rooster teeth as an entity, doesn't exist. they were all complicit or outright guilty of the queerphobia exposed en masse later last year.

what crwby says & what they actually do are two completely different things entirely & the sooner people come to grips with that, the sooner this conversation can actually be had seriously.

Another day, another moment in the franchise where Jaune “Real Main Character” Arc decides to join the protagonists and hijack a character arc on screen because he doesn’t know his place. Goddamnit.

Omg I know! Why does he have to be involved with everything!? Please do us all a favour and get rid of him, Negative Weiss. You have the power!

I am once again asking people to realize that it's weird to take the stance of "no one should think that they're better than the RWBY writers." Like, people who write re-writes aren't even saying that, but if they did then who the hell cares? More power to them.

The RWBY writers are basic normal humans and there are people who are well justified in thinking that they're not very good writers. It's not normal to think that no one should think their work can be improved. It's not normal to think that every critic needs to think MKEK is better than them. Calling people names because they're writing re-writes (a tried and true fanfiction hobby for years upon years) is bizarre and weird.

RWBY is not an exception. The RWBY writers aren't an exception. They're not some super high bar that the common person can't reach. And again, people aren't even saying that. If you ask almost any rwde-poster, they'd tell you that making a story based on other people's work is different than making an original project even if said original project is badly done. But also like... Why is it such a big deal for these people that not everyone thinks the RWBY writers are better than them, anyway?

It's giving insecurity, it's giving parasocial, it's giving hero worship, it's giving 'needs to take a long break from RWBY,' it's giving 'is the type of person to be a thirty year old Sherlock fan still threatening to kill people in 2017.' The anti-rewrite thing is ridiculous and it's straight up helping to kill the whole of the RWBY fandom.

wow I had no clue Yang had the mental compacity to take responsibility for how she treated Ruby in the Ever After. So this proves she was being a bad sister, and had to acknowledge it and apologize for it. (Now the Yang stans can't ignore it or try to handwave it away as no big deal)

The fact I am shocked by this shows how little faith I and the rest of rwde/the critics have in MKEK to even be self aware to address that this did happen in Vol 9, that Yang DID ignore Ruby's emotional and mental state in favor of pussy. We expect them to ignore it, or even down play it. I will give credit where credit is due, but I highly doubt they would ever do something like this again. (Hopefully the partners they've been "talking with" all pull out by May 15)

Apparently the former RT animator Dillon Gu is interested in buying RWBY. He helped Monty animate the Yellow trailer and the Yang vs. Nevermore fight, and worked with Shane to animate Yang vs. Mercury. He’s actually still working with Shane at his company, Dillon Goo Studios. From an animation standpoint, I think they’d do a good job. Your thoughts?

I think he could be a good fit.

Take it like this-

Fans will be more on alert with anyone new making RWBY in case they're as bad as RT so it'll be less likely for them to get corrupt while making RWBY.

If Miles, Kerry, Eddy and Kiersi are all innocent and followed Monty's wishes then they can work with old friends again to complete his work, especially since people were complaining about fight quality in the later Volumes.

If they're actually guilty (always a possibility) then they likely don't care about Monty's wishes...but I bet Dillon and certainly Shane would so they should probably see them through. And at least the RWBY critics might be happy. Better than no one being

The only issue I can find is if, for whatever reason, MKEK are innocent but are refused from working on it for personal reasons. And even then, Shane might just not be comfortable with them. Again, at least the RWBY critics will be happy.

So sounds like a win to me.

So I doubt this technically counts as a nitpick, but after re-watching the series of SLVR trailers, it just made me miss the early days of the RWBY fandom all over again. It's like people were more inspired back in those days to make their own characters with cool weapons and semblances. Can I reasonably blame a shift in fandom attitudes on RT though? Maybe. Like I said with my earlier nitpick post, it's like current RWBY doesn't care about what drew people to it in the first place. And it doesn't. With all the new characters that keep getting added, it's like the weapons and semblances just get more and more uninspired. Hell, so many of the new characters don't even have confirmed allusions (remember those?) The designs have been progressively getting more boring. God forbid we actually use color meaningfully in a show that puts such heavy emphasis on COLOR. A character who's color is the ENTIRE RAINBOW? Nah, let's make her color pallette based on an abandoned building. A group of vigilantes that is made to be a foil to the military and therefore would logically have individuality as a theme? Obviously they'll wear basically the same outfit, have the same emblem, have the same weapon, and all have vomit inspired color pallettes despite having a springtime theme. I mean, maybe I'm not a gritty realist, but don't you think dressing the Happy Huntresses in brighter colors could symbolize how they're like, these beacons of hope for Mantle? Instead of having their color pallettes blend in with the already bleak environment? I dunno, I'm clearly not as good as a visual storyteller as the great MKEK. I feel like this post maybe diverting from the original point, I wanted to make, but I guess I just wanted to rant about how stale RWBY feels creatively compared to the earlier days. The early fandom was just a much more chill place that encouraged creativity, partially because RWBY itself was more barebones before we had to add a billion plot points that are executed so poorly. It just feels to me that all those minor characters from the early volumes had more thought put into them than the more important characters we're supposed to care about now. In case y'all couldn't tell, characters like the Malachite twins, team CFVY (not Coco), and all those one-off Vytal festival characters live in my head rent-free. Nowadays you're basically the devil for shipping something that isn't Bumblebee, let alone doing a rewrite. Is there a fandom anywhere that's just so dead-level convinced that the media is written so perfectly, that the fans go literally insane when anyone has criticisms or doesn't like it? Don't tell me, I don't want to know.

Right on. MKEK have always been bad writers. Expanding from 2 to 4 won't make a difference if Kiersi and Eddy think on the same wavelength. No variety of input or diversity of thought among them. Just the same lack of creativity and direction but from a different face. Doesn't matter if it's plot, worldbuilding, friendships, family, or romance. They're ideologically possessed and will twist RWBY to fit their worldview at the expense of logical development. All at the whims of the loudest and most entitled voices of the fandom who don't deserve such influence within the show. Also conveniently retconning or forgetting what was already well established in previous volumes.

I’ve been over this damn show & it’s writing since volume 6 so I promise you everything that has happened afterwards I don’t know much about because I only know it from a second point of view. But even from a second POV, it’s really no surprise that the only thing consistent is it’s inconsistent writing as that’s the only thing that remains consistent through out the entirety of the show.

Now I’m not sure about these other two writers. I haven’t exactly seen or watch the show or heard about their direct input. There does seem to be a somewhat stronger plot, but it’s still overall very weak idk if this because of them though so take it with a grain of salt.

As for the fandom, yeah. I joined the fandom around V5 so when V6 rolled around it was really scary to me just how much they actually “listen” & engage with the community based off of Sun’s first line, “I’m like the worst team leader ever.” Because I saw that statement tossed around over & over in the community & that’s when I also found out from hbomberguy, Unicorn of War & as of recent Judgemental Critter that no the creators & all of Roosterteeth actively engage with the community all the time & thus now due pinkwashing & toxic positivity the show & the criticism & the fandom is a fucking mess.

I think Unicorn of War explains it best in their video: https://youtu.be/DOykqWM8Prs

every person who, when i said whitley didn't need to be redeemed bc he wasn't a villian (and being antagonistic towards a main character isn't the same thing as being a villain the number of people who dont understand atagonist and villian are different things i swear-) said he was a villian in fact because he was- idk- mean to weiss?

but especially the ones who said he was "plotting to get weiss to lose her position as heiress" as if he did literally anything other than be a little mean to the sibling that abandoned him and called him jealous. like she took all the actions that caused that on her own he did literally nothing?!?

RWBY fans would sooner step on a lego than admit that everything that went down in v4 was solely between her and Jacques and Whitley could have been replaced with a bowl of pudding and nothing would change.

It all goes back to Weiss accusing Whitley of wanting her losing the inheritance to happen, and while I could definitely see that he probably did- it's simply based off of her... Noticing he was nicer than normal? How she connected those dots is beyond me, especially since he never directly answered her question, just said that she shouldnt disobey their father. And then that accusation is just never addressed again so 🙃

(I mean what is it crwby? Was Weiss correct to accuse Whitley of wanting her to lose the inheritance and then further accusing him of being jealous of her powers when all along he just felt abandoned? Or was she incorrect? Too bad it was never addressed. At all. Almost as if those were just scenes used to further the plot in the moment rather than something meant to have ramifications in their reconciliation later on.)

But- notice the Hand of the writers here? Weiss needed to come to that conclusion, whatever cause and effect she connected in her pretty little head from Whitley being nicer than usual to the consequences of solely her actions, because of course the writers need to distract from the fact that they wrote that Weiss lost her inheritance because she almost killed a woman.

An accident, mind you, that the writers made a joke out of in the next volume. Because of course, the blame for Weiss losing her inheritance has been successfully shifted from Weiss herself to Whitley without her directly blaming him for it, when the writers literally wrote him to have nothing to do with it and a god portion of the fanbase fell for it.

But here's the cold hard truth- for all my headcanon-ing and theories about whitley, in the end of the day he's clearly just a character who is there for when the writers need something in the plot to be done.

Weiss needs to extra motivation to run away after losing her inheritance out of her own volition? Make Whitley a hate sink and passively have Weiss effectively blame him for it and never acknowledge that your girlboss almost committed murder publically.

Need to shove in some extra old fashioned meanspirited RWBY humor (tm) because the writers are fratboys and want to jerk off to how super funny and immature they are? Make Whitley the butt of the joke and have our good understanding kind beautiful amazing heroes try to dump food on and publically humiliate a child.

Need the heroes to have a walking talking deus ex machina dispenser with a shit load of money and resourses without having them expend any of the work to earn it? Set up a shitty reconciliation between him and Weiss that mkek had the audacity as professional writers (dubious) to not even do their job of even bothering to write it at all so Whitley can do all their work for them when the plot needs the heroes to actually get off their ass and do something because goddammit they've been sitting in his billionaires mansion and drinking tea for too long and now they're starting to look bad!

But watching this show and understanding it is two completely different things, and the latter involves a significant amount of refusal to apply your God given gift of critical thinking.

Shoot oscar, sleet and was about to shoot marrow work with watts to hack penny and force her to obey him and kill herself "wow really good hero" he may done good things but he completely lost it he's no longer a hero and what you expect from team rwby the only reason they to what the did is because ironwood made them do it

Wow you people really have nothing better to do with your life huh? Honey James Ironwood is a fictional character, he can’t actually chose to do anything, the writers do and I think what the writers made him do in volume 8 was bullshit. Team RWBY similarly are controlled by the writers who I also think where made to do some pretty bullshit things. Either way they can’t chose anything the writers do. Please go outside.

I realize this will be a controversial take in both the FNDM and critic communities, but here goes. 

I feel like a good portion of the RWBY fans who explain away criticism aren’t just ignoring storytelling rules or not paying attention, etc. From what I’ve seen, it’s mostly filling in blanks and making connections that aren’t in the show, and in doing so, make the show better than the writers did. So many arguments defending the show’s choices are based in either headcanon or speculative analysis, and that’s not bad to do! (Goodness knows I overspeculate plenty.) But it also means they’re putting more thought into the plot and characters than the writers did, because MKEK isn’t showing these things to us. The FNDM is. So it’s not like everyone “turns off their brain” to watch RWBY (though I have seen many fans tell critics to do that); more commonly, they’re using their own critical thinking skills and creativity to make the show better than it is, and not realizing they’re utilizing the show’s potential to a fuller extent than canon.

This day can't can't getting better because according to the leaks Vacuo was going to be a colonized nation!

And you know what else? The writers were going to make the "oppressors" be wrong and bad because they don't like they fact they are being colonized.

Now I'm not to sure if this was the finalized storyboard but if it was......may they all burn in hell. Cause wft is this shit!!!!

Pretty sure stans will eat this story arc up and trying to justify why colonizers were actually good people who had good intention when colonization brings nothing but pain and trauma

Oh fuck me, they're gonna colonize Vacuous again...what the hellllllllll.

Yes, I said again because Vacuo WAS colonized. BY ATLAS. That was a canonical event that caused the Great War, and got Weiss' family to become fucking tycoons. The exploitation and colonization of Vacuo 80+ years ago was a crucial part of Atlas' domination in technology and Dust production, as well as the monopoly that the Schnee Dust Company controlled.

And let's be honest here, bby, was any of us surprised that CRWBY is planning to make an oppressed group the bad guys for not being nice enough to their oppressors?

You know, LIKE THEY DID WITH THE WHITE FANG AND THE FAUNUS.

Of course the stans would eat it up. They DID. On multiple occasions. That's why I'm glad that fucking bitch of a company is 8 levels of hell under.

Kiersi is still a writer on rwby, I don't know who told you otherwise but she is still in the credits and has tweeted about writing for V9 plenty just this week

her writing for v9 was done ages ago just as everyone else's contributions who've now been fired or let go, we're talking about the current writing team which she's no longer a part of for v10.

if we get that far, hopefully all the pirating will kill this show & it's disgusting staff off.

i see parallels between jaune (an initially weak swordsman who wanted to prove himself like cloud) wearing a red sash to honor his dead kinda/sorta gf pyrrha (a girl with a red color scheme, who died saving the world… like aerith)

that’s my running crack theory anyway, you know?? monty was a fan of final fantasy 7 so that’s another plus 😂

Hmm… I guess maybe a little? Even when Cloud was weak though, he wasn't completely useless and actively detrimental to everyone around him like Jaune, and Aerith's death actually mattered unlike Pyrrha's, which was purely a fridging so that Jaune (and only Jaune) could angst.

It could be something they were going for though, and just weren't good enough to actually pull off, like so so many other things. There are so many things that they take from other properties without understanding why they work in those properties, so I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Maybe RWDE gets its reputation because so much of it is deeply toxic and bigoted, and blatantly so to people who don't obsessively hate the show.

First of all, come off of anonymous, coward. If you're gonna say something with your whole chest, at least have the guts to have your icon say it to Max Goof's face. XD

Second of all, once again, the call is coming from inside the house. Here's a link to a post with a lot of screenshots of tweets and youtube vids and fucking trash from the corporation you're spending your time defending and specifically Miles fucking Luna. Condemn that on your own blog, show me a link, and then come back. Also condemn the fact that Kerry Shawcross literally said that they used Ironwood's new black prosthetic to symbolize his loss of humanity. Also, show me where you've criticized things like people saying Ironwood should lose his prosthetics so he'll be 'helpless' as comeuppance for his mistakes. Show me where you've called out people hypersexualizing the women in RW/BY in their fanarts, because that ran rampant in y'alls tags for awhile. Show me where you've called out the person who said my sister was being 'ableist against herself' for having seen some of her own Autistic traits reflected in Penny, who told her that Penny obviously hadn't been enough of a person to actually have character traits, so my Autistic sister was being ableist to suggest they shared similarities. Show me where you've called out the people who misuse and vilify terms like 'narcissist' and 'psycho' and use them to just mean 'bad person' when that's literally ableist. Show me where you've called out the person who made a post saying that the RW/BY fandom was no longer accepting criticism and then when people (including my younger sister) said that was dumb, they called everyone cunts. Fucking say something about all that, because from where I've standing, all you care about is what you think you can use in order to excuse the fact that you're attacking people on the internet for daring to say something bad about the content you like that you were too sensitive to see. If you actually did care about these issues, you'd be calling out the bad in the content of RW/BY, calling out the blatantly horrible actions of the company or some of the writers, and also calling out the horrible behavior of the fandom. And you'd be doing that openly on your own blog. You heard I was sent death and rape threats and the only thing you have to say about that was 'well maybe people don't like RW/DE for a reason.' Ummmmm??? You think you have a moral highground??? XD

ALSO: Bring receipts, friend. Tell me how I'm being bigoted instead of just throwing that around with no backing. Was it when I said that the two white writers Miles and Kerry shouldn't have made an allegory for real life racism that centered around taking down the bad freedom fighters who are selfishly using the cause for terrorism instead of, you know, fighting the system that oppresses the Faunus? Was it when I said that Whitey McWhiteWhite Schnee should've at the least apologized for her anti-Faunus bigotry and that it wasn't cute to say 'Blake is discriminated against by people treating her like an animal' and then having the writers do things like having a friend/future love interest lead her around with a laser pointer and never addressing that as bad? Was it when I said that writing badge carrying law enforcement officers and glorifying them as paragons of virtue and then doing things like making the fact that the Ace Ops answer to authority rather than just themselves part of why they're bad but Team RWBY isn't? Was it when I said that there should have been queer rep in the main cast by now and that it's annoying as a queer woman to be continually told to 'just wait' despite the lack of censor and the fact that the writers have been promising main character rep since like volume two? Was it when I said that MKEK needed to do better with their disabled representation than several villains, two side characters who wound up getting benched with every main character forgetting their existence and Yang having had such a small amount of screen time in volume four only to be written by the entirely able-bodied writers to say that her prosthetic was just extra? Was it when I said that it was sus as hell that the first black woman in a position of power was killed within five minutes of screen time? Was it when I said that a group of majority male writers specifically purposefully writing a story where a young girl was written to go through tons of shit like getting her bodily autonomy ripped away from her and then having her body forcibly removed/changed her without consent (consent under threat of death isn't consent,) only to beg a man to kill her as her supposed only choice she'd ever made despite having clearly made choices before then was a pretty fucking big red flag? Literally, tell me how you think I'm bigoted, and if it's something like 'you're obsessed with Ironwood' (I'm not, he's not even a blorbo,) or "You hate that girls are allowed to be powerful" (untrue, as I actively want the girl characters to be more powerful,) or that I'd be happy if the men were in charge (again untrue, as I actively complain about Jaune and Oscar and even Ironwood getting so much screen time) then just save it.

Also, last point I'm gonna make, but if you really think I'm obsessed with this show, you've got a big storm coming. I've been thinking more about Jack and Davey from the Broadway Musical version of Newsies than I've been thinking about RW/BY. I've been thinking more about the DCOM Descendants Universe more than I've been thinking about RW/BY. You literally get such a tiny snippet of my life, and then think somehow that it's... All I think about. And it's just more proof of how actually disconnected from reality you are.

Get some guts, my dear pal. Get some guts, go touch grass, get well soon, hope you stop simping for Miles 'She's only sixteen' Luna enough to actually realize your show is deeply problematic.

I wonder if MKEK are going to have Ruby either dooms Remnant, or turns into the next big bad herself. They've said a lot was plotted out early, and there's enough writing towards the next point on the outline instead of developing the plot naturally that I believe them. But it would've been outlined in 2012/2013, just when GoT had us in the next wave of 90's grimdark. I would buy a few new writers writing The Hero Falls and thinking they were clever. I don't get how the heroes recover from this.

Personally, I would be shocked if RWBY gets a sad ending and absolutely floored if Ruby was deliberately positioned as the cause. Despite nodding towards some heavy subject matter, RWBY has never acted like it wants to be that kind of tale (she’s introduced as a “simple soul” in the opening scene) and the writing isn’t self-aware enough to treat these unintended blights on her character seriously. If it were, then the scene with Ren this volume would have gone very differently. Either Yang and Jaune would have conceded some of his points, resulting in an attempt to change that ultimately fails, either due to their own personal failure, or due to a failure to keep Ruby off this path. Or, they would have pushed back precisely as they did and the cinematography/acting/score would have informed the audience that Ren is right. Isn’t it a tragedy that Jaune and Yang don’t realize it? Instead, his (very correct) assessment of the situation is entirely denounced, then ignored, before he eventually puts it aside completely to apologize for having those thoughts in the first place. That doesn’t read to me like a story that’s deliberately taking the heroes to a place where the audience should criticize them. It’s a story that heard some in the fandom’s criticism, thought it was stupid, so they wrote three characters (Yang, Jaune, Nora) to outright go, “That’s a stupid take”... yet utterly failed to make that a persuasive argument. Everything Yang pushes back with is incorrect, Nora spouts nonsense about Ren generically pushing them away, and Jaune was too busy sulking about the “You cheated your way into Beacon” accusation. When he does speak to Ren again, it’s to tell him not to bottle things up... despite Ren just telling them what he thought about all this. None of that convinces the audience that Ren was incorrect, but it’s supposed to. 

Rather, I think the heroes will recover from this simply by virtue of the writers believing there’s nothing to recover from. They (and a good portion of the fandom) just don’t see Ruby’s actions as a problem and if they’re intrinsically justified, there’s nothing she has to do to fix the situation and no change she needs to make in the future. Sneaking off to track Cinder, using the Lamp, stealing military property, continuing the fight against Cordovin, repeating Ozpin’s lies to Ironwood, attacking the Ace Ops, sitting in a mansion while the world burns... there is literally nothing Ruby can do that can’t also be twisted into a, “Well actually...” explanation. Because she’s the hero. That is her explanation. Ruby, by virtue of having her name in the title of the show, is a character whose every decision is molded to fit the expectation of “She’s the hero,” rather than looking at the action itself and deciding if it’s heroic. The show continues to perpetuate this by avoiding criticism of Ruby at every turn: Cordovin randomly lets her pass, Qrow falls in line, Ironwood forgives them, Ozpin forgives them, Yang’s frustration is forgotten, Ren believes he was wrong, May pulls back her criticism because they’re just kids now, Blake gives a pep talk when Ruby does nothing, and I have no doubt at all that when they wake up on that island everyone will insist that Ruby did the best she possibly could, there’s no way to have foreseen this tragedy, and the world is lucky she saved who she could. 

Because that’s the logic that RWBY functions under: As Yang says in the snow, if the heroes of this story had done nothing then things would absolutely be worse. Ergo, whatever Ruby does do is automatically a good thing, no matter how much damage it causes. I have precisely 0 expectation that Ruby will ever be presented as an antagonist, or do anything other than succeed in the end (even if that success is bittersweet), because for five years we had a hero and for three years we’ve had a character whose “heroism” depends largely on ignoring the damage she’s done  — which the show is very happy to do.