The way the show handles Yang is poor, especially when there is a glaring topic that should be addressed about her character.

Yang feels like a character who experienced 'parentification' as a child. She had to grow up fast in order to maintain the family and take care of Ruby. Really though, parentification is a form of emotional abuse and Taiyang and her two moms put that on her.

Taiyang doesn't seem like someone who was mature enough to raise kids, or have them yet. He has an easier time now because the kids are older and can do everything on their own, but as toddlers, he wasn't having an easy time and preferred to let Qrow take over.

I think Yang was almost touching on the topic in V5, but the writing keeping pointing her in three different directions to not address anything fully. She needs to be sad about Blake for some reason. Being angry at Blake for leaving is valid, but to be sad and accept her as soon as she returns is nonsensical.

At some point, I think the writers didn't know what to do with Yang because she's being pulled in every direction until she's thrown at Blake.

[ I had to adjust the speed because V5 moves so slow. ]

This would be a way stronger scene if Blake wasn't brought up. Why? Because Yang's problems go deeper than how angry she is with Blake. This is her past projecting onto somebody else and it's become an unhealthy way of coping.

Yang needed to talk about her problems with her parents and childhood, not worry about Blake.

The beginning of this scene was good. Weiss and Yang were talking about their family problems to help relate to each other. I like Weiss saying, "you're right, I don't know loneliness like you do. I have my own version."

Yang doesn't need a girlfriend to fix her problems. She needs to work on her problems before beginning a serious relationship. She needs time to sort out if she wants to romantically commit or if she needs more time to mend her past.

I'm gonna be real, the bees being planed or not doesn't really matter... like at all.

plenty of things that are planned from the very start of a show turn out awful and plenty of improvised swerves from planning turn out great

I think the one of the biggest reasons it comes off as unnatural from a lot of people is just that CRW/BY aren't that good at writing romance, have you looked at any of the straight ships? They are FAR from great, not blaming anyone for liking them or the bees but still.

also like the weird cover up with the song BMBLB, I guess they were trying to hide spoilers even though everyone who knows about romance tropes already knew that it was either going to happen or turn out to be queerbaiting, which the show has done at least 1 arguably 3 times, so I don't super blame anyone for thinking it wasn't planed even though their most likely wrong.

Some people enjoyed the last Disgruntled RWBY Actor AU, so I put together a couple more before RT went under.

I will give credit to one of the not-so-many things that CRWBY had done with early-RWBY:

The way BlackSun was written, it was clearly planned from the very beginning and they wanted to explore it more. But unfortunately, they pulled out of the plan because they wanted Bumblebee money, so they crumpled the idea of Blacksun and followed the pink money.

One of the things that many anti-rwde posters get really worked up about is the complaint that bumblebee is rushed, but at least for my part, I feel like there's a misunderstanding on what the real problem is.

They always say "how can people say that the ship is rushed when there were signs early on?" And I think the real problem isn't that there weren't signs. Tbh I personally don't read Blake as romantically interested in Yang during the first few seasons, her treatment of Yang isn't actually that different from her treatment of her other teammates and whatever closeness they accomplish is usually initiated by Yang, but it's easy to read Yang as having a crush on Blake. It's easy to read a lot of characters as having a crush on other characters, like it's easy to think that Ruby had a crush on Weiss, Blake, Penny, and Emerald during different times in the first three seasons, and like it's easy to think that Yang and Weiss were romantically interested in each other specifically in season five. I wouldn't think any of those ships 'came out of nowhere' or 'didn't have any juice' or so on. My main point here is that Blake and Yang weren't a forgone conclusion, but yes, despite the fact that nothing was clear solid proof of romantic interest OR clear solid proof of early writer intention to actually make them canon, there were hints that Blake and Yang could potentially turn into a real ship and it eventually did when the writers got around to it under criticism of queerbaiting and while running out of money.

When I say that I think the ship was rushed, I don't mean that there was never an indication that Blake and Yang might be romantic before they got together or even before their first big significant 'shipping moment' at the end of V6. When I say that I think the ship was rushed, I mean that the writers bypassed growth and working through conflict that I think was necessary for Blake and Yang's dynamic. When I say that I think the ship was rushed, I mean that they invented conflicts just to throw them out one after another without ever addressing it on screen. I mean that there are things very important specifically to the character of Blake like her time in the White Fang, her family, Ilia, and Adam that Yang hasn't talked to her about on screen (except Adam but it was not in any detail.) This isn't even bringing up the fact that they were forced into confessing their feelings for each other and when that happened, Yang didn't say anything about Blake that was true past her being a Faunus. Which makes it seem like the writers don't care to put in effort with the ship but that's just my opinion.

The ship between Blake and Yang wasn't rushed because 'there were never any signs' that it might happen, it was rushed because the writers didn't actually put in the work to deal with the conflicts they themselves wrote for the ship and just bypassed them instead. It was rushed because they went from 'Blake has spent seemingly a year apart from her team while Yang was angry at her the whole time and now the two are awkward with each other' straight to 'they barely leave each other's side, Yang gets angry at the thought of even doing a mission apart, they're in love, they caress each other's faces' without the writers really addressing that quick change.

It's got nothing to do with whether or not I think Yang's 'save me a dance' could be an indicator of real romantic feelings that would get developed later. The writers just fumbled the bag on execution, per the norm.

What do you think of Ruby and Yang in Volume 9? Do you think Yang was good sister to Ruby or bad one?

I think the issue isn't that she was a "bad sister". Nor is it the issue that she was a "good sister".

The show never defined what she thinks of their relationship and whether her behavior is to be taken as net positive or net negative.

That's the HUGE issue with how those two are written.

Is Yang an overtly caring sister at the expense of herself? Or is she someone who doesn't care? The show never commits nor explores any of those.

Because it would require exploring Yang's state of mind, her goals, how Summer's fate and Raven's leaving affected her, etc, etc, etc.

And we never get that beyond what's in the first three volumes.

It would also require exploring whether what happened with Fall of Beacon challenged that status quo for her.

Which we don't get because according to the RT crew "recovery arcs are BORING". Can't have Yang experience even a single moment of self-reflection because - "haha puns and punching stuff!"

(And also because the show was queerbaiting heavily back then and couldn't just let her self-reflect on Blake because it would make things clearer - can't let those two have ANY progression)

In reality there are many ways the dynamic could be written:

Yang could be reckless and take Ruby for granted and only realize that after a huge traumatic event - it's what the show WANTS To pretend it did, but it hasn't really.

Yang could be over-protective and stay that way but instead realize Ruby also needs some space.

Yang could be reckless and then become over-protective or be over-protective and then become reckless too - both negative and positive development is development if it's there.

Yang could start off as over-protective and then what happens during the Fall can make her realize that she has no life or ideals of her own and aspire to become a healthier more independent person who, while still caring for Ruby, can actually clash with her personality-wise. It's the path my rewrite takes.

The issue is that show doesn't really do any of those. The show doesn't DO characterization or character development.

The show is not interested in that - it wants to have its cake and eat it too instead. Why commit to a consistent characterization path if you can pick and choose to make scenes seem like things are happening?

So the show has her caring or confrontative at random as it fits the conflict at hand. The show essentially rolls a dice each time Yang has to react to something or say something - which is an issue many character decisions in the show suffer from - there's no consistent progression or development they undergo.

At some point, the character has gotten so flanderized her bravado is all there is, which is ultra disappointing.

Both of those characters are part of the backbone of the show and their interactions and characterization deserved so much better.

If the show is so nuaned like rwby fans claim then they should acknowledge that Yang & Ruby have been bad sisters to each other and made understandable (except v9 utter bs) mistakes. But whenever anyone uses words "Yang" and "bad" in the same sentence, they go rabid and deny it. Like the thought of Ruby & Yang possibly being nothing less than perfect sisters triggers them. So which is it, rvvby stans? :)

Didn't you know it's perfect in every way and so are the characters? Because they said so, and saying so makes it totally true, obvs

We're RWBY fans. Of course we respond to criticisms to our favorite character by drawing them reacting violently to them.

I really liked this post, so I'm sharing it here.

Twenty minutes of storytelling.

Twenty minutes... accomplishing fuck all. Fuck all for plot, fuck all for character...

Astonishing.

That redditor said that a good storyteller can do a lot within twenty minutes. So let me emphasize their point.

Futurama's S4E12 "The Sting" was twenty minutes long. The following is from MauLer's analysis of the episode, the opening of a video entitled "Star Wars cannot grow up."

Futurama, with a largely episodic structure, managed to tell a complete story about guilt, grief, and acceptance of that caliber. Within the timeframe wasted by RWBY Beyond.

And if you wanna say "but Futurama had a bigger budget than Beyond, that's not fair!" For one, the animation isn't as important here as the underlying script for this discussion... but that's fine. Let's drastically lower the production cost. Hell, let's go to RWBY's roots, with 3D animated music videos.

Eight Glorb songs, from Sadkini to Mob Ties, come together at 19 minutes 48 seconds.

Sadkini, 1:30

KILLCAM, 2:55

VENGEANCE, 2:49

Can Gangsters Cry?, 2:47

DND, 1:56

The Bottom 2, 2:57

Trendsetter, 2:10

Mob Ties, 2:44

And yet, somehow, these SpongeBob drill rap shitposts deliver more in terms of the writing and character work than what's meant to be the epilogue to an entire season of Internet television.

Anyone putting RT's death squarely on Zaslav is pumping themselves with more copium than Go/jo stans. Is Zaslav to blame in some capacity? Sure. But after;

Needing to take a 5 week hiatus in the middle of Volume 8 to 'prevent overworking employees,' just to end up continuing to overwork employees anyway.

Volume 9 taking over 2 years to produce, and exclusive to an entirely different platform for another year (needing to beg fans to not pirate the show).

Struggled to even get Volume 10 greenlit, even with the hashtag movement they again had to beg their fans to do.

Still struggled to get funding for Volume 10 for a year after Volume 9 finished airing, despite an entire videogame (Arrowfell), collabs with Paladins and Smite, as well as four cash grab crossovers with the Justice Leage in two comics & two Direct-to-Video movies.

Barb admitting on Discord that producing the show had become too expensive for the company to take care of by itself anymore.

You'd have to be completely delusional to think that RoosterTeeth was just fine and dandy and had Volume 10 well into production until mean ol' Zaslav came along and killed them like Coyote vs ACME.

we know damn well what this is about and i love her

I recently found out that The Tale of a Cat Most Curious has made it onto the RWBY Fanfic Recommendations page on TV Tropes.

EeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! :D

Yang will never beat the bad sister allegations. 🤭

Quite trying to defend your coomer blorbo. He's gross and probably smells likes dirty socks. He thinks lesbians are a fetish. Makes you wonder what he thinks of bumbleby

It makes me wonder if the lack (or refusal) of any inward reflection by the characters of Rwby is a reflection of the writers themselves? The writers think they're the shit and think the people who point out their flaws are the ones in the wrong. And its projected through Team Rwby never admitting to any fault and characters like Ironwood who call them into question are treated as evil or are on thin ice like Ren.

And Ruby developing a conscious and questioning maybe she did something wrong in how she handled the Atlas crisis. Then she is beaten and tortured by Neo, who then ends herself because the weight of her guilt was too much. Only to be reaffirmed by The Blacksmith and ghost mom she's perfect just the way she is.

This is a friendly reminder that RWBY Beyond is extended universe and not part of the main series and so the writers' choice to put important things - like Yang and Ruby addressing what happened in V9 - is quite a bold move. Like, I'm still expecting everything that happened in V9 to NOT get glossed over in V10, because I don't want to have to do homework and get subscriptions and watch YouTube videos in order for the main show to be even sort of close to good.

And before anyone comes in talking about 'they have no time anymore' and 'they need to use V10 to tie off all these important threads' etcetera, they made their own bed. Like maybe RWBY Beyond wouldn’t have to include conversations that should be in the main show if the writers hadn't wasted their time on things like Jaune angst 2.0 or Little/Somewhat or getting their stuff back from a raccoon or unnecessary exposition on where the gods came from. The writers have NEVER been good at managing their time, and it results in things like them trying to do damage control in the silly extended content shorts because they forgot to write Yang to be a caring sister in the main show.

And then fans turn around and are like 'I can't believe that people are complaining that Yang comes across as a bad sister in the main show, didn't they see how she cringed when Ruby was in danger in the second Batman crossover side movie? Didn't they see the follow-up short to Sun and Neptune's mustache adventures?"

Say it with me; the main show ought to be able to stand on its own as a good piece of media without expecting fans to do homework.