#makeup discourse
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Goths, drag queens, and circus clowns are the only ones who know how to use cosmetics as they should be used. If you're not gonna be as dramatic, fucked up and weird as you can with it what is even the point
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You are the quintessential white liberal choice feminist who thinks the problem lies with women who criticize beauty and femininity rituals and what's actually behind them, instead of the men pedalling that bs to make money out of insecurities they created for us. You're right, debating you would be completely useless...because your kind of bland, male-appeasing, pseudo feminism that is all about "ME ME ME ME" is just another tool of the patriarchy 👋👋
LMAO i really got you heated with that rant huh
You do realize men aren't like. All evil demons. Right? Yeah, there are MANY men who are indeed the problem. Shit needs to change, and i do fight for it - im just saying that telling women it's bad to wear makeup and that feminists shouldn't wear it isn't good. I've written full essays on what's wrong with the beauty industry and said it's a horrible industry where they make money on insecurities they make up and tell us we need to have, and once again. I am fat. I am not conventionally pretty and see hundreds of beauty ads telling me how heinous my body and everything else about me is. And i also really hate the beauty industry, but ok.
It ain't as deep as yall are making it out to be just let men and women do what they fuckin want with their bodies and if that means wearing makeup let em. Gender roles are stupid and a dumbass construct that we dont need to abide strictly by. 🤷
#forest talks#forest asks#also it's really funny how you seem to be arguing for a point i never really tried to make#my comment was a lot of the notes called makeup the evil. not the emphasis on it. makeup is fine. the industry is not#but argue a strawman that's fine#makeup discourse
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#Makeup#Beauty products#Makeup discourse#self care#selflovemovement#black luxury#femininity#leveling up#self love#pretty privilege#self improvement#black femininity#self healing#self worth#healing#bougie#skincare#moisturizer#beauty products#dermatologist#dark skin femininity#blackwomen#positive affirmations#affirmdaily
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conservatives who think posting a photo of a model-looking conservative woman next to a photo of a normal-looking or overweight or blue-haired liberal woman constitutes a slam-dunk ideological argument: I am Biting you
#I feel like I see this way too often and I am so fed up#what’s that supposed to communicate? morality = your beauty standards???#also for the Christians who do it: you’re additionally communicating that biblical womanhood is supposed to have makeup on#also ad hominem attacks are never never never a good way to debate or relate#anyway :)))#things you see on Twitter#discourse sorry
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#tag yourself im ''yet another supermodel face'' posted in the comments of a mod that gives her full makeup#white karlach discourse#added:#to the modder's credit they made a canon karlach head w scars at their audience's request#but the kneejerk dismissal of any and all criticism pouring through that section of the fandom is just. not a good look
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the atla live action remake reminds me of spop, they're just changing everything from the original. at what point does it just turn into a completely different story? isn't it better to just start off with your own original series with original characters instead of trying to readapt a beloved classic?
#i haven't watched the live action btw#i did think of giving it a shot but then i heard that sokka doesn't even wear the kyoshi warrior makeup and outfit??#what's the point#the actors all seem really nice btw they're more in character offscreen than they are in the series#they deserve a better group of writers#anyway not super spop related i just needed to rant#spop critical#spop salt#spop criticism#spop discourse#spop#she ra#anti spop#atla#anti atla netflix
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RE: this ask
Sorry about to go off on one, gender studies and online fan culture from an academic standpoint is a special interest of mine because being film and literature student wasn't annoying enough (participatory culture studies my beloved)
From a general standpoint, I think the reason M/M ships in fiction have always been more popular is because male characters are historically more developed and complex. I think it’s only in recent years have their been an influx of popular F/F ships, with the added development of women on screen (e.g Clarke and Lexa, Kara and Lena, Regina and Emma, Nancy and Robin) - I think there is also a point to be made this has coincided with gender expression, genderqueerness and more general knowledge of being outside the typical gender spectrum.
I can’t explicitly say that being in M/M fandom spaces encouraged my personal discovery of being transmasc but it certainly helped to have an avenue where I could project onto these “male” characters and see myself in them. I was so uncomfortable in my own body and what I didn’t know at the time as dysphoria, I can see why I didn’t go for F/F ships.
There are of course a lot of “fandom elders” but young (early to late teens) afab people do make up a large bulk of it and I get why it may be easier for them to fixate on M/M ships as a, sort of method of exploring their own sexuality and gender expression. F/F ships may hit too close to home and F/M ships are what they are trying to escape from so it leaves M/M ships to project onto. Which, unfortunately then can become warped by the persons own comphet and/or binary ideas about gender.
A male character may have more stereotypically “feminine” traits (in terms of interests or emotional reactions) and I can see why people who also have those traits would project there own insecurities onto them, reinforcing the feminisation of the male character but not being comfortable enough in your own gender expression to genderbend the character or write them as trans.
It’s the same reason I think mafia romance, dark romance etc etc is so popular with cishet women because they can read about a fantasy where instead of the very real every day misogyny and violence they face leading to abuse, assault and death, it brings “positives” ; protected, loved, a happy relationship.
Which, side note. I think this has A Lot to do with y/n, self insert fics becoming “cringe”. Because, I think a lot of people just want to fuck/date a character and feel like they can’t write a self insert anymore, so just project massively onto one character, leading to a lot of these issues. I don’t think Tony Stark/Peter Parker would be as popular as it is if people just let young women write their self insert fic about being Tony Stark’s sugar baby and then we wouldn’t have the wildly mischaracterised version of Peter Parker that we do!
But, all this being said. I’m talking about fiction. Dean Winchester isn’t actually affected if people online only talk about him in a stereotypically “female” way.
RPF is a different kettle of fish (and I’m not going in RPF ethics that’s different - I have no issues with rpf creators/consumers to be clear, I am one) because a real person does become affected. Even if you are keeping your fan works and discussions to private spaces, it can leach over into how you speak about the actual person. That’s where it becomes so incredibly important to remember that your RPF version of celebrities are just as fictional as Dean Winchester is.
sorry I used mr. supernatural as an example, 13 year old me is still alive and kicking in my head somewhere.
I love to hear your perspective on it with a trans worldview (and academic credentials), and I do agree that that might be a big driver of some young people only wanting to engage with MLM fic and feeling uncomfortable with WLW fic. You've brought up so many great points so I'll try and address them all.
I can add the perspective of a lesbian who was closeted for the first two decades of my life, came out less than five years ago, and still struggles on and off with comphet now. MLM fics in my teens were a way to consume queer content and relationships without having to think about the implications of enjoying consuming WLW content, and I think that's true for a lot of young closeted teens so it's no surprise that some comphet/hetnorm/cisnorm stuff bleeds through there because it's a framework the authors haven't managed to detach themselves from yet.
But yeah, I agree the issue lies with people wanting characters to be self-inserts partially so that they can experience sex, sexuality, and romance without any of the hang ups of thinking about patriarchy. And I agree with your solution: make y/n fics cool again! The ability we have to hallucinate while we read is magic! You can put YOURSELF in as a character's love interest, how cool is that?
Ultimately, yeah. There's nothing wrong with RPF as long as it isn't actually affecting the person that the RPF is based off, but I've seen a lot of takes escaping containment so to say (ie. leaving this website) with takes about the actual racers so obviously picked up through RPF. The main culprits are Charles, Lando, Max in my experience.
#You always send the longest and most thought out asks and I really don't know how to answer them because you're so eloquent#thank you for your POV!#enigmabird#asks#charles in makeup and lace discourse#hate it slightly too late to change it now
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opinions on radfems?
noah fence to the microscopic minority of surprisingly normal radfems I had the pleasure of encountering - for ppl who r allegedly so disgusted by the infantilization of women they sure do love infantilizing women
#the algorithm has shown me the bodyhair makeup and skincare Discourse and I must say#touching grass is not enough#they need to touch another person :(
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i think im really sad that im feeling bitter abt this bc like. despite the fact that ppl are saying oh yeah its purgatory its never fair. i have a bad taste in my mouth that for once it feels like its not bc of player action its partially to do with weird ruling by the admins on the event (re: the essentially. disregarding of the event points on elimination which i still kinda dont get why they couldnt just retally the points since they had the numbers?)
#tsu talks#qsmp crit#qsmp discourse#i mean yeah i was rooting for sneeg but also. i hate that he's blaming himself that if he hadnt spoken up theyd have lost anyway. bc it#wasnt his fault?#and not trying to hate on the admins at all or anything. but despite saying the wrng names#recalculating the scores and just Saying what the score makeup was wouldve solved everything without making streamers need to stream beyond#what they expected on a day that shouldve been primarily abt the egg wars event?#anwyyas shutting up now. this isnt meant to be a super neg or something post this is mostly just me reflecting on the way i feel abt today#and the way today went and the way the event went today. i still had a good time so far#and like i said. i feel sad that i feel this way bc i dont WANT to feel this way. btu like. what can i do abt that yknow. thats just how im#feeling. i really wanna enjoy the event but honestly now that sneegs out he was rly the only purg2 pov i was watching lmao. id watch#etoiles but i cant read translations while im listening at work </3
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okay i think the people talking about how barbie is so important to young girls and has really deep lore are being a bit much
#its a fun frothy corporate product#there is really no need to intellectualize it or justify it as deeper than it is like just have fun w it who cares#but acting like the doll with the impossible physical ideals has actually been feminist in any meaningful way the whole time is silly like#its makeup feminism discourse all over again#its fine to like it!
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a non insubstantial part of me wants to see a video essay à la Sarah Z or Izzzyzzz about Hermitblr's 2019 shipping discourse explained chronologically with examples, and maybe even a comparison to recent twitter behavior and how those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it but honestly maybe I have to be the change i want to see in the world.
#anyway ig if I face reveal it’s gonna be in clown makeup explaining discourse I wasn’t present for#no promises or anything but I’m thinking about it#I’m gonna have to do research#og post
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regarding “eyeliner strong enough to kill a man:”
not every choice made by a woman is a good or feminist choice. that’s not what feminism is. women having agency doesn’t mean that they will choose to actually separate from patriarchal conditioning.
just because a woman has the freedom to make a choice doesn’t mean feminists can’t critique that choice. being free from critique isn’t feminism either.
buying and wearing makeup puts money in men’s pockets and furthers the idea that a woman’s bare face is somehow offensive or unclean enough that it should be covered with a thin layer of paint at all times. even applying makeup in a fun and quirky hashtag leftist communist way doesn’t mean you aren’t reinforcing patriarchy.
if you choose spend money to decorate your face with paint like a little doll to be put up on a shelf, feminists can critique that. and will.
that’s not controlling your body or your choices. that’s having a voice and using it.
I understand that, and i admittedly don't wear makeup much. I never have the energy to do it myself.
And i understand everything i do can and will be critiqued, i do not want to live in a world where that is not possible. Not questioning or critiquing stuff is a recipe for disaster.
However, we can say money goes into mens pockets for *any* product we purchase, and even that may not be completely true. There is something called women owned businesses and small businesses. This is even true for makeup.
Now, as for myself, i really can't recall the last time i even bought makeup. Most of the makeup i use is probably expired ngl. i only use it for special occasions, and if i ever manage to get in a play, i plan on using it as stage makeup. If i ever casually wear makeup, it's usually outrageous or something out of a costume (i once went to classes with a giant painted crack on my face made with my makeup) i never do that 'natural' makeup people talk about so much these days.
Though, while i understand that this was not your argument, my reply to that eyeliner post was more a general comment on the notes as a whole. A large number of them said we should not wear makeup at all, and the general vibe i got from a lot of them was that they believed any of us who did were also the problem and should be treated as such.
But yeah, the patriarchy sucks. It hurts both men and women, and we probably shouldn't be spending time arguing over the ethics of if we should wear makeup or where we should buy it when there are certainly more serious issues we should be tackling.
#forest talks#forest asks#makeup discourse#i would like to stop talking about this i genuinely dont care this much makeup is not this serious#any more asks im probably not answering.#feminism#thank you for being civil tho anon
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"harrowhark nonagesimus cant be called a femme because shes a weird little freak who cant even be a girl right" yeah thats the point innit
#also she very much can do makeup i get what youre saying but she can do that. very explicitly#sorry for discoursing about tlt characters gender identities
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there's a lot of aphoic "joke" posts that circle around from time to time and i don't trust ppl who reblog any of them bc even if they don't intend it to be aphobic the post was made as a way to make fun of us and de-legitimize our identities. like Why would u want to spread that around lol
#text#discourse#aphobia#'ace nicki minaj moodboard' and 'sephora asexual friendly makeup' are two that are so frustrating cuz u try telling someone who refuses#to even try to understand aro/ace ppl that it's aphobic and theyre like lol it's just a joke its funny bc [whatever] like. Those were expli#*explicitly made to make fun of aspec people. because they don't like us and don't want us in their community . fucking sick of it#like. use ur brain. just bc something doesnt explicitly say 'all aspec ppl should kys' or something doesnt make it not aphobic#it's the aspec version of those trumed comics with like . a trans man not binding with long hair and they go haha look at this#trender LOL so cringe !!1! And ppl who can get how thats transphobic but not how other stuff is aphobic drive me crazy like ru just trying#not to understand. OK SORRY. RANT OVER.
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i’m admittedly a huge fan of reading charles feminisation fics (put that man in makeup and lace!) but they need an element of tension or at least contrast to really work, imo. i think a lot of fic has fallen victim to this self-insert version of charles that is so far removed from who he really is, and completely devoid of any question of WHY charles would behave that way in xyz situation, that makes it really hard to find fic i enjoy these days.
(as you said this is also why het genderbent fics seem a lot more popular in f1 fandom!)
PUT THAT MAN IN A MAKEUP AND LACE! Issue is I'm an equal opportunist, where are my fics with Max or Carlos in makeup and lace?
#tempted to tag this as “charles in makeup and lace discourse”#fuck it#charles in makeup and lace discourse#anon#asks
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you might want to reach out to someone about the appropriateness of the war paint youve used(even if unintentionally)
It’s a mad max inspired war paint? It’s not supposed to be native inspired it’s like how football players paint around their eyes dark to help with the sun
Difference is Anomaly uses it to hide her facial features better
And we didn’t use references or anything, we just came up with it cuz Feral likes to mess around a lot with makeup a lot and she used the same “war paint” that she uses for her Fallout/Wasteland OC
#mods speaketh#mod sly#guys plz don’t start discourse over the makeup#it’s makeup to hide facial features it’s not supposed to be warpaint#its not even native inspired
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