Not too thrilled that my other post is getting so many notes when I'm not satisfied with it for a multitude of reasons. Let's have a do-over, hopefully much more succinct and to the original point.

When Palestinians, actually basically all Arabs, or all Muslims, say "Jerusalem is holy to us it is the 3rd holiest city in our religion." The White Western Leftist (WWL) will say "That's so valid your religion is so interesting and beautiful Hamas did nothing wrong I love the Houthis!"

But if a Jew ever rebuts "Jerusalem is holy to us as well, it's our holiest city, basically the only one we have," the WWL will probably roll their eyes, scoff, probably say something like "Okay but like why are you still using your outdated Zionist death cult to justify colonialism? You really think the Bible justifies killing millions of Palestinians?" and start going on and on about how Judaism invented everything bad about Christianity.

My hypothesis: These people are not allies to Muslims (Palestinians). They are condescending to them. They are throwing them a bone because they feel bad about how the Muslim world has been treated, well ever since Sykes-Picot, but especially post 9/11, the Patriot Act, The War on Terror, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Drone War, Libya, Nato, The Arab Spring, the list goes on. They don't think Muslims are capable of building the kind of societies they want, not without their gracious help. They don't think Muslims should have the same ideals of democracy and human rights, because they don't expect that from the Brown People. They won't ever hold them to such a standard because "Ugh where do we get off lecturing them?" even though they would never think this of Jews.

These people are not equals to Jews, something something Sartre they think they are both superior and inferior (which makes them superior). They are not just trying to hold their fellow citizens of the world to account. They are trying to put Jews in their place. They are projecting their religious trauma onto Jews because they do not understand Judaism. They see Judaism as Power. They are trying to delegitimize Judaism as a religion (and it is a religion, including the parts of religions that give atheists the "ick," including a lot of mysticism). They are trying to caterwaul about Jews being responsible for the world's ills and that they expect Jewish People to be better than this. To evolve beyond religion and community and affiliation and identity. They want Jewish to be nothing more than a box ticked off on a census. A neat little factoid about yourself, like how your neighbor Cheryl has Norwegian ancestry.

My only conclusion is that these people find Jews and Judaism repulsive, and they find Muslims and Islam primitive. Unlike their parents' generation, they appreciate the primitive. It is noble savagery to them. Unlike their parents' generation, the comparatively cosmopolitan modern secular Western sheen of Jewry (applied to Jews against their will) is not something that we almost lost from the world, but an annoying holdover of what we almost successfully purged from the world.

Because remember, while they hate their parents and everything they stand for, they still deep down want Daddy's approval. So it makes perfect sense why the psyche would displace anger and trauma and all that caused by Christianity, and look elsewhere to place blame. It falls at the feet of Jews and Judaism. Because my culture could never, there has to be a missing puzzle piece that could explain- oh there it is. The Jews did it. And wow look how easily this can slot in with every other antisemitism conspiracy theory.

The audacity to think I could make a shorter version of that post 😂 But basically it's this: The WWL, the Zoomer Left, the Tankies, whatever name you call them... they think that they can "save" Muslims by offering up Jews, and the terrorist fascist fundamentalists like Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, they're on board. They're all in. Normal ass every day Muslims/Palestinians? They just want peace, they just want rights, they just want sovereignty. The WWL is not interested in that perspective.

They have not once in their lives thought of what they could possibly do in terms of reparations. No no, tweeting and marching for a weekend are quite enough. They have not once in their lives turned inward and self reflected on the ways they benefit from and their own role in these systems of supremacy, that have harmed Muslims around the world. Jewish blood is more than enough to pay for operation Iraqi Freedom. Jewish lives are a fetching price to assuage the Westerner's guilt. You know since they have so much trouble turning inward and reflecting on their own contribution to Islamophobia, it might do them good to practice a little תשובה... but I don't know 😌

"never forget palestine"

but you WILL OH you WILL

"palestine will always be in my heart"

No she won't

As soon as that ceasefire happens you'll be sad and mad and then you'll move on to Sudan or Taiwan or whatever 'poor helpless non-white people' you must take on as your white man's burden

don't make promises you can't keep you virtue signaling american christian

Just passed a massive billboard reading “Be Human: Support Palestine”

And I understand the message of: where is your empathy? Where is your outrage? Cruelty on a massive, people-wide scale – murder and attempted genocide – is happening and your government is wholeheartedly supporting it!

And also… the wording? That’s less of a dogwhistle and more of a foghorn imo, given like………… the entire history of the western world. The amount of people who have literally said “it’s okay to kill Jews en masse because they aren’t human.”

Leftist goyim understanding that Islamophobia and Antisemitism are brothers, not rivals challenge: impossible

If you’re not Jewish/Muslim/Israeli/Palestinian and you are talking publicly in any way about the i/p conflict you should probably do your research about dog whistles and take that info seriously. It shouldn’t be up to affected groups to educate you while actively being triggered and traumatized.

It’s not fun to constantly worry if your friends secretly hate you or if they are sliding into antisemitic spaces or are ok with genocide as long is against the right group of people.

You aren’t free of antisemitism or Islamophobia just because you don’t sit around thinking, “I hate Jews/Muslims/Arabs.” This shit is structural. I don’t care how many Jews or Muslims or Arabs you know. If you haven’t actively deconstructed your own bias against these groups, you’re probably still hateful whether you realize it or not.

The Israeli army enters Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis with heavy tank and machine gun fire, forcing everyone inside to evacuate and flee for their lives.

Rafah exodus begins as Israel’s military steps up air raids and artillery fire before a feared ground operation on the southern city once designated a “safe zone”.

Israel “must listen to its friends and the international community” saying civilians cannot be made to “pay the price of defeating Hamas”, leaders of Australia, New Zealand and Canada say.

Israel’s attacks on Gaza have killed at least 28,663 Palestinians and wounded 68,395 since October 7. The death toll in Israel from the October 7 Hamas-led attacks stands at 1,139.

....kinda just seems like they want people to stop talking about the genocide that Israel is definitely, without a doubt committing.

I see a lot of posts making some very good breakdowns of antisemitism and talking about the burdens faced by Jews worldwide right now and they're amazing, but then they'll suddenly veer into islamophobia. Like they'll suddenly just tip sideways and be saying things which actively hurt Muslims. It's not fair and it's not just, and I know we're hurting but we cannot allow ourselves to turn against everyone. Islamophobia in our community does nothing to help, just as antisemitism in Muslim communities does nothing to help. I'm tired of wanting to engage and wanting to talk about the hardships I face in my life and instead hearing people shit talk my friends and their religion.

Agreed. Antisemitism is wrong, but so is islamophobia. I've met amazing Muslim people, part of my family is even Muslim. They're amazing. And even the portion of Muslim people who aren't great people (which, they exist just like they exist in every group, including in ours), they still don't deserve islamophobia because discriminating people for their religion is plain wrong. There are people that I don't think are great, but I won't be racist, queerphobic, or otherwise be unpleasant because of things that aren't moral faults. So yes, I understand we're all on high alert, but we don't like it when people are antisemitic, so let's not do that to others

Thank you for your input anon!

-🐺

it's extremely concerning to me how much antisemitism is bred in the notes of some pro-palestinian posts, and it seems like a lot of leftists have been avoiding the topic. so this is a psa for anyone involved!!

calling for the death of all jews will not liberate palestine

none of us are free until all of us are free; if you don't support all oppressed peoples, you don't support any

jewish people and palestinians aren't responsible for the genocide. the blood is on israel's hands, and attacking random people on the internet for a perceived connection with israel or palestine is not activism

palestinian babies are not terrorists, and israeli babies aren't nazis. scapegoating children is fucking awful

the suffering and oppression of palestinian people is NOT a vessel for your antisemitism

as someone who's lived in the u.s. my entire life, i have a lot of internalized racism, and unpacking that has been + will continue to be extremely important for me. my knee-jerk reactions to things are often wrong and that's okay! if we as members of a community don't admit where we're wrong, we won't grow, and growth is the goal of leftism. antisemitism isn't over. i'm an agnostic satanist, but i've been the target of antisemitic insults on quite a few occasions, and that's nothing compared to the hatred and violence that jewish people face. intersectionality is so important for leftism. please don't let your activism swing back around to hatred, and please listen when jewish people call you out for antisemitism and when palestinian people call you out for racism

tldr: antisemitism in the name of palestine is bad and doesn't help the people in gaza. obviously.

Is it indoctrination?

Or is it a Muslim woman wearing a hijab?

Is it indoctrination?

Or is it a Jewish person keeping kosher?

Is it indoctrination?

Or is it parents letting their son wear nail polish?

Is it indoctrination?

Or is it teaching middle schoolers about consent?

Is it indoctrination?

Or is it taking medical precautions to protect yourself and others?

Is it indoctrination?

Or is it a marginalized religious group teaching the next generation?

Leftists and liberals, don't get caught using the same words that the Right uses. Religion is not indoctrination any more than transgender people existing is. When you call for a blanket ban on "religious indoctrination", you're calling for a ban on children being taught the language of the people. For a ban on children being taught their history and heritage. For a ban on instilling confidence in marginalized children.

"Indoctrination" is a dogwhistle.

If you can understand why "vaxxer indoctrination" or "gender indoctrination" are harmful terms, then you can understand why "religious indoctrination" is equally if not more harmful as a term.

I think we shouldn't talk about Aaron Bushnell from here on out. I know everyone has their own hot takes about it, and there are plenty of posts that entice one to debate, many such cases of bait...

But don't give him what he wants. Let his name fade into obscurity.

Already the antizionist "activists" are hailing him as a martyr and a prominent leader of the "movement." People are going to remember his name over any individual Palestinian names. The Palestinians who've died will just be a lump sum, whereas Aaron Bushnell will always have a face and a name and a story. They're going to have him represent the ~victims of Zionist fascist genocidal Apartheid terror~ equally if not more so than Palestinians, who will be a nameless statistic beyond a few exceptions. The hashtag "restinpower" was trending when he was confirmed dead.

Do you know how disrespectful and disgusting that is? A white American man who worked for the United States military, an organization that has killed orders of magnitude more civilians in the Middle East, made himself the star of Palestinian Liberation. And he probably was aware that this could happen. But he wanted to be seen as a martyr, he wanted to be absolved of his sins. Nobody will ever dare criticize his career in the military now. No one will mention his hypocrisy as a settler on stolen native land who actively helped propagate the imperial hegemony of the United States.

He gets to be a "hero" to the Palestinians even though he's helped zero of them. What allyship had he worked toward in his life? He gets to be placed along side them as a fellow victim of the Jews Zionists. And they will use his face, name, and memory as a rallying cry.

Maybe someone on their side will make a similar point, not to get too carried away making a white man the face of "resistance" against the West and Israel and capitalism and all that. But I doubt it'll gain traction.

Instead of screeching about a non-existent "antisemitism problem" in the pro-Palestine movement, how about we tackle the very real Islamophobia problem in the movement? Especially coming from the atheist and anti-theist communist "allies". Most of them have a genuine moral opposition to genocide, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid. Still, their ideological obsessions made them develop a disdain for the people they claim to advocate for, simply because they're religious people who view the world and operate in it in a very different way than them.

A traumatized, grieving Palestinian took comfort in her faith and expressed concern for other traumatized, grieving people who lack the support system of faith to cope with unfathomable horrors. How did these "allies" choose to respond? By interpreting her words in the stupidest way possible, prioritizing their self-centered hurt feelings, and bashing her and her faith. Real fucking solidarity here, folks! If you're trying to show that you care about Palestinians and respect them as actual human beings and that you don't see them as tools to uplift your particular ideology, well you fucking lost the plot! Do better.

"OOOh scary gazan refugees might kill you if we let them into america"

shut the fuck up you right wing nazi buttering me up, I fear you and white american pro-pal hamasniks than I do a Gazan who is trying to flee war and hamas dictatorship.

friendly reminder that the term “islamophobia” was popularized by iranian fundamentalists who intended it to be used as a tool of manipulation. those who flippantly throw around the term as an accusation of racism against muslims forget that there is no such thing as a muslim race—just like there is no such thing as a christian race. christianity and islam are both belief systems, and those belief systems are practiced by people across every ethnicity.

unlike judaism, christianity and islam are religions that rely on proselytism (the practice of converting others) to survive. criticism of christianity, and of its ideas that have the potential to be dangerous to free and democratic societies, is never labeled as racism. the idea that critiquing a system of beliefs is somehow racist or xenophobic is preposterous.

so why is it deemed okay to slap an accusation of “islamophobia” onto anyone who dares question the morality of concepts like jihad (‘holy war’ against non-believers)?

criticizing islam is not criticizing the entire arab race—it’s questioning a system of ideas. it’s asking whether free and open societies can afford to accept and promote religious ideals that allow for violent, oppressive, and imperialist interpretations.

and, in case it wasn’t clear, if you read this post and immediately jump to accuse me of being anti-muslim or islamophobic, you’re part of the problem.

“for muslims,” says sam harris, “muhammad is the greatest person who has ever lived. unfortunately, he did not behave like jesus or buddha—at all. it sort of matters that he tortured people and cut their heads off and took sex slaves, because his example is meant to inspire his followers for all time.”

just some food for thought.

Hey, if you’re currently trying to exploit my disappointment with the antisemitism in Leftist spaces to make me into a TERF or a racist or an Islamophobe: fuck off.

My revulsion with antisemitism does not and will not ever turn into hatred for other groups.

remember not to be antisemitic.

I have seen countless pro-Palestine 'leftists' saying antisemitic stuff and completely ignoring that what they are saying is clearly bigoted. we have to remember that this genocide is not the fault of Israeli citizens, nor can anyone make such broad, antisemitic statements such as 'Jews are at fault'. this brings us full-circle into antisemitism.

instead, we have to recognise that the Israeli armed forces, Israeli government officials and a large chunk of US elected officials are at fault for this tragic massacre of the Palestinian peoples. it is not 'Jews' or 'Christians', it is specific individuals. these people's faith is not what cause this genocide. yes, there is islamophobia in this genocide. but we cannot be antisemitic in return.

leftism is about equality for all. freedom for all. we cannot discriminate when talking about the genocide. when we say 'free Palestine', we do not mean 'kill Israel'. citizens are not to blame.

many zionists seem to think that when people discuss the liberation of Palestine, it is harm to the Jewish faith. it should not be. the liberation of Palestine is not a direct attack on Jews; we want an end to the genocide, and to liberate occupied lands. the Palestinian peoples deserve to live just like everybody else.

Everyone knows that ramadan is starting bc the leftists can't stop crying about it and saying israel shouldn't bomb gaza on ramadan bc its a holy holoday.

Meanwhile the fucking palestinians in the flesh:

This is literally happens every year in israel, just as ramadan starts they plan something or gather lots of illegal weapon but get discovered right before the act and getting arrested and then they are crying how THOUSANDS of palestinians are dying each ramadan bc of "iSraEli OcCuPaTiOn"

It’s just so hilarious that ring-wingers in Ireland will suddenly become queer and trans “allies” when it comes to religious bigotry.

You defend people of other religions in Ireland, and they come out with “yeah but “x religion” (mainly muslims) are homophobic/ transphobic, and would attack/ kill you given the chance”. Or that these religions are harassing and forcing people to believe in their God.

Which is just so hilarious, because anyone can see, not just queer and trans people, that it is white Irish Christians doing this to us. In my (and many friends I have asked) opinion experience, it has only ever been white Irish people calling me slurs, harassing me, following me, making me feel unsafe. When I see a group of young white Irish lads, that’s when my alarm bells ring and I cross the road. You will only find Christian preachers on the streets of Dublin with the megaphones, shouting that you’re going to hell and that gay people and abortions are of the devil.

This isn’t to say that nowhere in the world do non-Christians participate in this. I’m just specifically talking about in Ireland. Since it’s such a big “gotcha” move right-wingers try to pull. Which just fails seen as how we know that it’s people like them that make our lives difficult.

Also, in all my experience with Muslims in Ireland, they have all been the most accepting and lovely people. And also some of them are queer or trans themselves, because duh!