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aronarchy · 7 months

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You and alot of the youth libration posters on here: "adults need to listen children and teens and take them seriously"

Me who is trying to understand better: "I agree with that"

The overmajority of the children and teens I take to on platforms other then here: "We don't like media and stories that sexualize us in anyway"

You and alot of the youth libration posters on here for some reason: "That's bad and here's why you should ignore them"

I'm legit confused bruv

(I’ll assume you’re talking about fiction not depicting specific real-life minors here, because that is usually the topic of discussion.)

Your experiences have been very, very different from mine, then.

I’ve had a few IRL friends whom I had discussed or mentioned the topic to or vice versa when I was a child/young teenager; they were generally supportive and didn’t take issue. I met far fewer children and teens IRL who were opposed to it. (I actually can’t remember any specific incident of someone being opposed to it around me. Although that’s probably because it wasn’t really a topic of discussion much. But yeah.)

I am a minor, and I have met many, many minors online who are proship. It’s actively difficult to be a proship minor, even more difficult it is to be a proship or antiship adult, or an antiship minor, because of how we’re commonly erased, how both antis and adult(ist) proshippers like to assume we just don’t (and can’t) exist, and we are rarely listened to.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of fantis I’ve met have been adults. It’s also adults who have driven public discourse for moralizing dark fiction, and adults who lobby for and pass laws censoring art.

I knew a (fanti-adjacent) adult who sexually harassed and abused multiple minors, building his brand on being a “predator-hunter,” protecting minors. He severely stalked and harassed many people, adults and minors, perceived as sexually deviant or problematic, for long periods of time. When my friend, a minor, went public about their abuse from him, they were branded a liar by his friends and supporters, all or almost all of whom are fantis. Many were minors themselves. There were more minors supporting him than supporting my friend, because he had more supporters in general. Should I have agreed with them, because they were minors? Erased the victims?

My friend has experienced sexual harassment from a minor for being interested in “problematic” art depicting fictional CSA. That same person also harassed me, including with bigotry and suicide-baiting, for my related stances and my sexuality, and sexually objectified me (in a mostly unrelated context). Would you support him because “we need to listen to and agree with minors more”?

There have been innumerable cases of adult fantis online being caught grooming, sexually harassing, or abusing minors, including minor fantis, and running exploitative, cult-like communities. Even one (at least one, whom I remember) who raped someone IRL. It’s become almost an expected occurrence that adult fantis go around sharing the “problematic” art they call “CSEM” and make others, including survivors with PTSD who are distressed by it, and even minors, to look at porn they otherwise would not have seen. And trivializing CSEM, calling depictions of fictional characters “CSEM,” and, like what I once saw done to a friend who is a rape and CSEM survivor, being dismissive of them when they are, naturally, offended and triggered by claims that fictional material could be possibly equivalent to actual recordings of rape or abuse.

(Yes, many proshippers are CSA survivors; you can read some testimonials from them here.)

Many, maybe even most minors support the “stranger danger” myth and other adultist, authoritarian beliefs to some degree. Believing that sexual “deviants” or “degenerates” are the cause of CSA and that purging them in a fascist manner is the solution. They would likely invalidate my claims of having been abused, because most people are conditioned to downplay child abuse, even as children themselves. This dynamic is replicated with any other marginalized group. Fully liberationist beliefs are rare in general. That doesn’t mean they’re wrong, or not what we all need, ultimately. (That does not also mean it would automatically be paternalistic to disagree with someone else on what would constitute liberation or whether liberation is good.)

Many minors, like people living under a CSA culture in general, believe in victim-blaming myths like “children and teenagers wearing ‘over-sexualized’ clothing ‘tempts’ adults into sexually assaulting them; we need to promote [modesty standards for clothing] to prevent CSA.” Many people, even survivors, claim that abusers abuse because “they can’t help it,” because they lack emotional self-regulation, because they are mentally ill… or because they looked at some fiction or art depicting abuse in a not-entirely-condemnatory light, and suddenly pro-abuse beliefs magically entered their head entirely against their will, or they got “hooked” on it and developed a “porn addiction” or uncontrollable sex drive until they couldn’t help but “escalate” by attacking real-life minors, as if abusers only abused because of fiction and not from any volition of their own. As if that excuses it, or can adequately explain it away. As if that’s not an excuse SA’ers have been using for a long, long time.

Many of those minor fantis would likely defend my CSA to me, or at least try to paternalistically overwrite my own perceptions, memories, interpretations, and understandings of my experiences, because they don’t fit their preconceived narrative.

These are deeply destructive myths, harmful to minors and survivors, but they are still extremely prevalent.

Does that make them okay?

The vast supermajority of minor fantis I have encountered or observed (and a far greater proportion than among proshippers) are adultist, often violently so, and defend the nuclear family and mock me for advocating abolition, and connect their fanti stance with their adultist stances in logic and framework. They would dismiss me on the basis of my age. They think purging fiction is a sufficient solution to abuse and take issue with my efforts at more concrete activism against abuse culture within communities and political causes of abuse. They think adults should use parental controls and censor minors’ media and coerce us to not view content perceived as problematic or corrupting even if the minor does not agree to that. They either pretend minors with kinks or other “deviant” sexual interests don’t exist, or demonize us and sneer at minors’ experiences of distress and trauma from societal kinkmisia. They would help adult fantis harass proship minors and minors who view dark fiction/create “problematic” art. They play into culturally adultist notions of “childhood innocence,” adult control over youth sexuality, denial of agency, and paternalistic condescension, but also turn to aggression and overt hostility when a minor doesn’t buy into it. See, for example:

I grew up in a conservative, abusive, sexually repressive, censoring environment. Then when I first went online I encountered a ton of the same negativity. I felt a lot of shame and internalized stigma and constant self-doubt because I was worried I was somehow being immoral for enjoying dark fiction and accidentally harming myself in the long run or indirectly wronging people I care about. That was deeply detrimental to my mental health for a long time. I felt a lot of clarity and felt much safer, more validated, more comfortable existing as myself, and less self-hating when I encountered other people who did have similar views which were supportive and who were interested in pursuing the real causes of child abuse (which I didn’t really know a lot about until I started unraveling all the propaganda I had absorbed which scapegoated unrelated things, and has been immensely helpful to my understanding of my conditions and beginning my ability to advocate for myself and others), and things finally made a lot more sense (fanti views were contradictory, confusing, and I knew even when I had a lot of internalized problems that they were very wrong on some level). I also unlearned a lot of adultism in the meantime. I’m not sure where this recent trend of “antishipping is youthlib” is coming from. I’ve always only ever seen fantis promoting adultism along with their ideology, and that it’s been implicitly understood everywhere that if you support antishipping you support adultism too because they’re part and parcel.

I do believe in a standpoint epistemology, where one predicts that a marginalized group is on average much more likely to have correct opinions about issues pertaining to their oppression and blind spots generated among oppressor classes through that oppression, because of the disproportionate pressures and incentives they experience to understand more, or else they suffer more. However, this does not make me a relativist; it does not mean that I repeat “listen to and uncritically agree with whatever marginalized group X says about Y, because reality is subjective and if someone believes it they automatically can be right.” I still believe that there is objective truth, and while I try to find wherever possible where they may be blind spots in my perspective, my goal, ultimately, is still to rely on methods of evidence and logical inference. I don’t go about this in a way anywhere near how the average normie does, and they wouldn’t like my methods either. But still—I recognize, yes, that marginalized people are not monoliths, and we are not going to all agree on everything; at some point, even the privileged will have to look on and deliberate and choose what they think is true. And, sometimes, there’s a reason why one perspective is more rare on the surface (suppressed? claimed to be impossible? threatened?) than another.

Fanti communities are abusive. Fantis are abusive. I still have a lot of trauma from how individuals and groups have treated me, especially online. It was cruel. It was fucking unfair. I don’t think ritual harassment, bigotry, trying to cut someone off from resources, abuse apologia, and enforcement of authoritarian norms are somehow youth liberationist. I don’t think silencing minors or making them afraid to exist in spaces because of harmless beliefs or fictional interests is youth liberation.

This is also how many conservatives have treated fictional depictions of violence. (I can attest to that from personal experience too; that was also incredibly traumatic.) Do we have to censor GTA before we advocate against murder and torture and assault?

It feels very distressing being told that I can’t possibly support views that are important to me and my freedom of expression and in helping resolve the trauma and violence many people I care about experienced without somehow secretly or inadvertently undermining myself and other causes I care about. This paradigm keeps people trapped in toxic communities, feeling like they are being forced to choose either one or the other, which makes it easy for abusers on both sides to exploit us and then moralize against us. It’s suffocating and cruel.

I don’t just disagree with minor fantis when I encounter them. I feel triggered, afraid, threatened/in danger. I remember a whole slew of awful past incidents, and a long time feeling a lot of confusion, feeling gaslit, feeling like my whole self and existence are wrong. I anticipate hostility and possible violence toward me and people I care about. I feel angry, because I remember what people like them did to people I care about (and to me), and tried to do. I feel even more angry that people will run apologia for them and try to gaslight the rest of us into thinking there’s no problem, everything’s fine, shut up and get in line or else you’re next.

Recently, fantis effectively killed a proship CSA survivor for drawing cope art on a private account after a years-long harassment campaign. Do you think your friends would defend this? Do you think they would agree, that this is protecting children?

But this is only my perspective. I know that fantis will always have the moral and discursive advantage over me and that it would be much easier for someone to accuse me of being adultist/corrupting through this, or tokenizing myself/having internalized adultism/being predatory/a dozen other things I’ve been accused of other the years to discredit and invalidate my words which I do, in fact, sometimes worry over, as I argue with myself in my head, as I internalize gaslighting and doubt myself and wonder if I really am wrong and should just abandon trying to carve out a space for myself, to exist as myself and with dignity. It would be easier to be mad at me and think I have insidious or misguided motives or am trying to guilt-trip.

I wouldn’t even really blame you. It’s always been easier for me to blame myself.

(Except then I look around and see all the people, minors, CSA survivors, extremely traumatized and fucked-up people who’ve been badly hurt who feel doubt too who really need this activism and it doesn’t seem so hard then, does it? Cruelty is cruelty. Abuse is abuse. Trauma is trauma. Bigots can fuck right off.)

#ask #anon #late answer #shipcourse #fandom discourse #fiction discourse #ageism #adultism #proship #profic #profiction #CSA mention

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snuffydoo · 12 days

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Gangle looks so pretty in this AU! She's like one of those, attractive women from old detective shows that important leads in the case!

That was kinda the vibe I was going for

The gossiper

also thank you

#late answer

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whereisgem · 1 month

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the first thing I saw about this blog was a hate page for a hate page

immediate follow

yay thank you

#not a gem post #whereisgem answers #LATE ANSWER

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greydoodles00 · 2 months

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We all know Leo's that flavour of crazy bitch who'd half kill their twin if they saw them wearing his stuff. He'd lose it at the, " but we wear the same size" argument. Donnie's gonna lucky if ge ever sees those pants again after leo takes it.

sharing is caring

but leo doesn’t care

(I scribbled these)

#rottmnt art #art #rottmnt #doodle #answered #late answer

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hammill-goes-fogwalking · 8 months

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here's another Dave Mustaine pic <3 his hair is gorgeous

Have you ever seen hair like this-

Now this blog COULD seem like from a Megadeth fan. All that happened was @shamanbluesss gave the flu. :D fake flu actually because I don't even like them the least

#Metal #late answer #Megadeth #Dave Mustaine #genre I always took ironic #did you know #last year I disliked heavy music but was deep purple fan?!#only mk 1 & 60s mk 2 !!#until this year I couldn't enjoy Speed King because too heavy?!#has been too cool for me

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oncewhenalongtimeago · 3 months

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"Sorry, but I Think I Lost Your Plot" is very cool, would love to see more of it <33

Questions - will it forever be one sided or at some point the feelings will be mutual? Will at some point there will be a confession/ reader some how finds out about hiccup's feelings or it'll stay unsaid/ she'll be oblivious?

can't give you a clear answer yet, but another post will come soon

#ask #late answer #thank you #sorry

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motiveloss · 11 months

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Hello again ^^ I thought of a cool name for ya, how does Adapt!Sans (ádapt) sounds? You adapt in any environment you are in, since you are drawn in so many of them! I dunno, just dropping some ideas for your human friend ^^

Oops-

#late answer #ask oc blog #undertale au #sans #undertale #sans au #ask...sans?#ut au #ask blog #undertale ask blog #sorry i procrastinate a bit too much-#oop

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kayla-crazy-stuffs · 5 months

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Heheheheehehe

Dream

George

Karl

Sap

Okay so, :]

Dream → Tiny

George → Average

Karl → Mini Giant

Sapnap → Giant

Quackity → Size-Shifter

[I forgot what this was about so, I'm posting it like this, sorry for taking too long to answer (omg, since February?!) ;-;]

#mcyt g/t #mcyt gt #dsmp g/t #kayla answers #ask #local squishmallow #squishy mah beloved #late answer

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hisbucky · 1 year

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Eddie and Buck having different first meeting like Buck is babysitting and he sends a photo of himself and Jee-yun to Maddie in matching outfits but he send it to Eddie, whose number is similar to Maddie's and Eddie falls in love with the stranger with an adorable smile (and niece)

Flash Fic Time :) #1

Five years ago, Buck would have never thought that he’d have his sister back.

For the longest time, it had been the two of them against their parents. No matter how stifling the house had gotten, and no matter how many times he spent his birthdays without their well wishes, he could always count on Maddie to be there instead.

And in turn, he likes to think that he was there for her when it counted.

Fact is, they were there for each other. That was all that mattered.

Then Doug happened, and he almost lost her.

To this day, he still thanks god for Maddie’s friend; for telling Buck what was going on behind the scenes. If it wasn’t for them, his sister would probably still be stuck back there with that bastard.

As it was, Buck had convinced her to come with him, to leave everything behind and start over together. To live their lives to the fullest without anybody’s permission.

To be happy again.

Now after spending three years here in LA, he thinks that Maddie’s found her happiness. The family that she’s always dreamed about having.

Howard Howie Chimney had been one of the first people they met when they got to the city, and probably the loudest one too. That singular trait is probably the whole reason that the older man had met Maddie – through a noise complaint that somehow turned into a first date.

Buck still doesn’t know how that happened.

Above all though, Chimney was the first guy who asked them to stay. Even after the incident, despite being the reason he got into it in the first place, Chimney asked them to stay.

So they did.

Which brings us back to the present, with Buck happily housesitting for the couple while they go on one of their weekly date nights.

While Buck is a bit envious of what the two of them have with each other, mostly because he’s not having much luck in that department, he’s not bothered by what has become the routine. He never minds it actually, because by doing so he gets to hang out with his favourite (read: only) niece.

If he’s being honest, spending one of his days off with Jee-Yun every week might just be the only highlight in his life right now, and he doesn’t really know how to feel about it.

“Who’s the cutest baby, who da cutest baby! That’s it, that’s it, smile for Uncle Buck!” With a click of a button, he captures what just might be the most adorable photo he has of them.

Effortlessly, he adjusts his hold on the little girl in his arm, while in his other hand, he adds the latest pic to the album that contains the dozens of pictures he has of Jee-Yun. This one just might take the cake for being the cutest though.

There in the photo is Buck and and his niece, looking at the camera with wide toothy smiles on their faces—or whatever is the closest approximation to one in Jee-Yun’s case.

It’s not really that different compared to the usual kind of pictures he takes when it comes to the two of them. However, what makes it special from the rest is that in this one, they’re wearing matching outfits.

Shark onesies to be exact.

Buck’s always loved sharks, and, well, after indulging himself with a late night research binge a few days ago, he landed on a site that made custom fit onesies for adults and kids. Then his wallet magically appeared, and before he knew it he’d already checked out.

It’s a problem, he knows that.

But that problem is for tomorrow Buck. Today, he’s going to reap his rewards.

Pleased with how the picture turned out, he decides to share it with Maddie.

It’s only after he sent a couple of messages later that he recalls his sister having recently changed her number to another provider.

Buck: *sends pic of Buck and Jee-Yun in shark-themed onesies*

Buck: look at us! rn’t we just the cutest!!!

Buck: b4 u say anythin

Buck: they were on sale

Buck: dun worry

Buck: I bought u and Chim a pair 2 lol

??? : Sorry, I think you got the wrong number?

Buck: oh shit

Buck: sorry man

Buck: meant to send that to my sis

Buck: forgot she changed her #

??? : Haha, it’s fine. For the record though, I think you and your niece(?) are adorable. It’s a good pic.

Buck: wha-

Buck: thx I guess…?

??? : …that came of as creepy didn’t it?

Buck: I would say no but u know

Buck: like

??? : Haha, I know. I have a kid too, so I get where you’re coming from.

??? : *sends pic*

??? : That’s me and my son. I figured fair is fair since I already know your face.

Buck: wow

Buck: uh I mean

Buck: how do I know u didnt just lift a random pic of a hot guy and his kid off the internet

Buck: ***RANDOM

Buck: a random guy and his kid

Buck: god I hope that it isnt actually you cause if it is id prob die from embarrassment

??? : …That’s weirdly flattering.

??? : I think you’re hot too ;)

Buck: !!!

Buck: end my suffering pls

??? : Haha. Don’t worry about it, I think it’s kinda cute.

??? : To answer your question though…

??? : I’m not really sure how else to convince you. I’m not good with tech, to be honest.

Buck: well

Buck: u can totally refuse but hear me out

Buck: we could facetime?

Buck: just to check each other out ya kno

Buck: that didn’t come out right

??? : Huh. I mean that could work.

Buck: so ur in?

??? : I think I am. Just one thing.

Buck: yea?

??? : It’s kinda weird to be asking this after basically calling you cute and hot and all, but…

??? : I kind of don’t know your name? I don’t know. I just think it’ll make it less weird to call a stranger if I at least know your name. Somehow. Even a nickname would be fine.

Buck: Oh yeaaa

Buck: u can call me buck

Buck: a nickname obvs

??? : Cool.

Eddie: My name’s Eddie.

#911 show #911 fanfic #911onfox #Buddie #evan buckley #Eddie Diaz #jee-yun buckley han #tumblr fic #flash fiction #eddie x buck #different first meeting #wrong number #au #longer ones #old ask #late answer #answered #answered asks

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ccuniculusmolestus · 2 months

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Imagine Henry learning about omegaverse. I think he'd implode

SPARE THE VICTORIAN CHILD PLS

#late answer #HES NOT BUILT TO WITHSTAND THAt #asks #asks!#henry :((( babyyyy

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atlasprefects · 5 hours

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Just in case

Aww tq for the hugs Ron! I actually really need some right now -w-

#answer #post #friends ask #late answer #tq for the hugs again Ron!

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aronarchy · 1 year

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i definitely agree with your positions on youthlib, adultism and the nuclear family model, however my question is - what's your positive plan, if any, assuming you could remove / already have removed these oppressive constructs?

Ok first off: this has been sitting in my inbox for several months, and I’m really sorry that I haven’t answered it sooner, and I feel really bad about that, and I’m not even entirely sure why (I started drafting my answer a while ago, then developed a sort of mental block around the whole thing and somehow only got over it today); I’m sure this probably feels irrelevant by now, or unnecessary, and sorry about that!

If the question is “what will replace adultism/nuclear family wrt performing their [actual] current functions,” the answer is—nothing. Their purpose is to control large swathes of people, to regulate certain behaviors, and to concentrate power and resource in the hands of some at the expense of others. There is no need for anything that oppresses and abuses youth to exist at all, and it should not exist, and the whole point of a youthlib movement is to get rid of them.

If the question is “what will replace adultism/the nuclear family/current educational institutions/etc in doing what they currently claim to do/be for,” that’s a rather different question.

Adultists claim that the nuclear family allows for youth to be sheltered, fed, clothed, and taken care of: that without it, youth will die en masse, will starve on the streets, etc. But this is not actually true; the prescription of the Family leads to many neglectful/abusive parents refusing to or inadequately feeding, clothing, and caring for their children. If youth were able to easily acquire food, clothing, shelter, and other resources without having to rely on parents, that would solve this problem. If youth were not forced to remain with their biological family, they could leave when they wanted, the same way anyone else would leave a living situation or relationship they find harmful to themself, or just not something they want, and form relationships that they do want, when they are able to do so and not under social, economic, and political pressures to remain.

I question the popular framing of what will you do when The Revolution is Over, as if these are only things we can do later, rather than things we are (or should be) doing now, and things which are a part of revolution itself and also contribute to the undermining of oppressive structures. What we hope we’ll be doing Then is what we’re struggling to do right now. One of those things is simply living our lives the way we wish (while not preventing others from living their own lives the way they wish). Like anyone else escaping abuse, youth who have escaped adultist oppression will start doing the things they want to do which they were previously unable to because they were forced to not do them. The youthlib project works toward maximizing the ability of doing these things unimpeded, and also doing the things themselves. i.e. moving around in public spaces without harassment, living with people they want to live with, dedicating their time to hobbies or projects they find useful or other things without being dragged away to meaningless forced labor daily.

One thing adultism (like other oppressive systems) promises is to prevent not only various harmless activities but also harmless ones. Adultists claim that if not subject to adult rule, youth will be violent toward each other, and that without adultism, there would be no recourse for victims of abuse by other youth. The adultist’s solution is to maintain figures with far more power than either party so that adults will be able to stop a youth abusing another youth. This is clearly wrong, of course: this makes it so that when adults abuse youth, there is no possible recourse (apart from seeking an even higher authority, which poses the exact same problems as this); most adults don’t even bother to use their power to stop abuse between youth, as it is in their interest to uphold hierarchies among the people they oppress, and they are themselves pro abuse, so why would they care to stop abuse? It is far more common for a parent, a teacher, etc who is called on to stop a case of bullying to disbelieve or blame the victim and to punish the victim instead. (When they do punish bullies/abusers, this isn’t usually great either, because they are simply enacting more abuse by the more powerful onto the weaker.)

How do adults resolve adult-on-adult abuse or victimization? Most appeal to a third party of higher authority than them both (the manager, the boss, the cop, the judge, the state leader). Some don’t, and instead resolve the conflict by seeing where they are at right now, and what they need, and acting accordingly. Without the reassuring (but ultimately poisonous) presence of a Higher-Up to solve the problem, how would youth deal with violence among themselves? The same things many are doing right now when struggling against abusive authority figures, or trying to stop a bully without the help of indifferent adults. Youth liberation simply means that the many barriers to this are taken down (and the process which takes them down is also the process that solves the problems themselves). Without the ability to lock up “violent juvenile offenders” in psychiatric wards to “fix” them or detention facilities to “neutralize their threat,” how would we stop harm? Community protocols, mutual aid, self-defense... everything everyone is doing now, as part of their day-to-day lives, these are the options that we struggle to make more available and more successful.

I generally don’t like trying to give answers to questions that are too vague or broad, because it’s rather difficult for me—my mind is much clearer when I am answering about specific situations—but I can discuss some of the things that have come up in conversations with my friends, or conversations I’ve seen my friends have. One was about the family. We talked about what could be the alternatives to the current “bio parents = raise them in their own house” model. I think we can generally agree that 1) a parent who don’t want to raise their kid should not have to, for both their sake and for the kid’s; adoption should be an easily available option, but without the bureaucratic bullshit and abuse and neglect we have going on right now; 2) if a child is too young to state which particular person(s) they would prefer to live with, and doesn’t indicate with other reactions that they dislike an adult/prefer a different adult, we’re not for grabbing babies out of bio parents’ arms to redistribute on some bizarre planning principle; 3) it should be easier for more than just two adults to live in one home taking care of a child/children, and children and adults should be able to get outside and move around more, and non-familial adults should be able to help out with raising a kid more (i.e. the old “it takes a village” mantra). Education not coercive and strictly regimented; information (i.e. libraries, bookstores, archives, the internet) available and more specific teaching programs (i.e. specialized educators, other teachers, classes) available but not forced. Better mental health services. Cultural shifts; earlier education about boundaries, consent, autonomy, and abuse being wrong. Disability accommodations without bullshit red tape. Neurodivergence, mental illness, physical illness, and disability testing and information more widely available and not limited by ableism. Improved mental health services, harm reduction, queerness not stigmatized/treated as taboo, youth who come out as weird early not invalidated or locked up.

Some less “formal” things I’m particularly interested in right now are things like accountability processes, protocols when harm occurs, and getting each other to get better and more proactive at stopping harm and de-platforming abuse/abuse advocacy. This involves things like group education/information sharing, but also practicing, and acknowledging and resisting incentives to enable harm for the sake of “group cohesion” or other social pressures. I imagine this would look similarly IRL, though I’m not really socially connected with anyone offline because of certain limitations in my circumstances. But I have been reading about how IRL leftist communities have fared; applying something like the above to youth would involve being more aware of predator red flags, working against incentives to ignore discomfort from boundary violations, encouraging each other to respect consent and to not tolerate boundary-crossing, and collectively removing predatory/abusive/bigoted adults from spaces/events or positions of power that allow them to continue carrying out harm. Some other things would be, i.e., distributions of food and clothing to those in need without violent and unjust gatekeeping; current versions of that look like mutual aid, or shoplifting and theft when otherwise unavailable.

There’s a lot I haven’t covered, and I don’t feel up to trying to cover everything that could fall under the above (especially not in one go); a lot of people have discussed other examples and answers elsewhere (tweets, posts, blogs, papers, orgs...) and there’s been even more written out in much more detail in books (first that came to mind was Sophie Lewis, Full Surrogacy Now & Abolish the Family, I haven’t read them yet but I’ve heard good reviews and they seem to have that kind of planning goal, specifically discussing the nuclear family and other possible kinship formations which were a thing your ask mentioned in particular so).

#ask #mrjocrafter #late answer

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