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hamliet · 7 months
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while i was rereading the grandmaster of demonic cultivation again its about the two woman that came to lotus pear sisi and bi cao, there was something its about the reaction the cultivators had about there stories I was thinking what these two woman represent?
Hi! I've written a meta on Sisi before--she's one of the most important minor characters, I think.
I think her pairing with Bicao exists to make the reader ponder their own questions about what righteousness means and what justice is. After all, Sisi is a prostitute who openly admits to sleeping with married men, is coerced into assaulting someone to death, and is physically scarred. On the surface, she seems like someone society will and does indeed condemn.
But Sisi is the bravest, most righteous character in the entire story. She is not ashamed of what society and life have done to her; it's not like she had a choice in any of the above, after all, and while it's convenient to blame her, she had literally not a shred of freedom her entire life. At least not from whenever she entered the brothel, and we know from Jin Guangyao's comments about Meng Shi that the women there weren't there out of their own free will.
And yet, Sisi comes forward knowing people will condemn her purely to get justice for the other prostitutes who were coerced into this and then murdered. They were the ones not even brothels wanted anymore--too old, too sick, too ugly. The ones every last bit of society threw away, and she came to face scorn solely to get justice for them. She directly says this.
In contrast, Bicao came forward for money.
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Now, that's not inherently a bad thing. Bicao is a servant. She's part of society, unlike Sisi, but she's not well respected or anything like that. However, Bicao knew about Qin Su's mother being raped by Jin Guangshan, knew about the Jins being siblings, and said nothing--fair enough. There's nothing wrong with wanting to survive. Where we do get into dubious moral territory is when she directly goes to Qin Su and gives her the letter.
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Wei Wuxian himself notes that Qin Su had to have immense trust in Bicao to instantly believe its contents. She emphatically states that Bicao would never lie to her.
But Bicao also knew the likely outcome of her revealing this to Qin Su--that it endangered her, that she would probably be suicidal if not in danger from her husband, and Wei Wuxian directly says this as well. Bicao handed the letter to Qin Su for money knowing it would mean her misery, ostracization from society at best, and death at worst.
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Bicao's not a blood relative of Qin Su, of course, and there's a tendency to be like "oh, she's a servant, she owed her nothing." To a degree, sure, but also to another degree we're absolutely supposed to compare and contrast Bicao's treatment of Qin Su with Wei Wuxian's treatment of the Jiang family, and with of course Sisi's treatment of her sisters in the brothels (which we know was always the case from how she protected Meng Shi). Wei Wuxian was derided for his disrespect of the family that took him in despite being the son of a servant, yet gave literally everything, even his golden core, to try to help the Jiangs.
We're also supposed to compare and contrast Bicao and Sisi, both of whom reveal information damning the child they once protected. Bicao did it for money and was aware of what she was doing. Sisi did it for justice and, as far as we know, was not aware that Jin Guangyao was Meng Yao.
This itself of course leads to questioning Nie Huaisang's quest for justice and whether his justice is the same flavor as Sisi's. He freed her because she served his purpose, not out of any desire to free her because she is a human being who doesn't deserve to be locked up forever. He paid Bicao to sacrifice Qin Su, who was completely innocent. Yes, he couldn't have known everything that came from his actions but he definitely knew the likely possibilities (again, Wei Wuxian explicitly says this).
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These comparisons invite us to question justice and its link to power, to society, to what we owe one another, and to what it means to be righteous. These are good thematic comparisons wherein the point isn't even "Sisi good" and "Bicao bad" (which can be true even while acknowledging that Sisi is framed much more positively) but instead a multilayered approach designed to provoke questions rather than simple answers.
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noathehufflepuff · 3 months
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Two characters from different media who inexplicably give off the same energy:
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Jin Gaungyao (The Untamed) and Cutler Becket (Pirates of the Caribbean)
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MDZS characters and mitski songs:
Lan Wangji: Francis Forever, I Want You, I Will, Pink In The Night, Come Into The Water, Carry Me Out, Dan The Dancer, I Bet On Losing Dogs. 
Wei Wuxian: Pearl Diver, Brand New City, A Horse Named Cold Air, Geyser, The Only Heartbreaker, Heat Lightning, A Burning Hill, Shame, Goodbye My Danish Sweetheart
Jiang Cheng: Why Didn’t You Stop Me, Crack Baby, 
Meng Yao / Jin Gaungyao: Remember My Name, Bag Of Bones, Abbey,
Jiang Yanli: Me & My Husband, 
Wen Ning: Door, 
Nie Mingjue: Eric, Humpty
Wen Qing: Working For The Knife
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touchlikethesun · 16 days
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*an hour an a half into richard iii* i think jin guangyao would kin richard duke of gloucester
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coolshadowtwins · 18 days
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If I had to map the characters of MDZS to the characters of TGCF-
Lan Wangi would be the ghost king
Wei Wuxian the Crown Prince Fallen God (these two mostly because I can’t imagine Wei Wuxian following Hua Cheng’s path I guess? These two might switch.)
But the main couple is also like that, because FengQing is now Jiang Cheng and Either Jiang Yanli or JZX. I haven’t decided which, but either way makes more sense for these to be WWX’s friends.
Jin Gaungyao is a mix of Ling Wen, by mostly taking her role, and Shi Wudu, by being the wind masters older brother.
And who is the wind master here? Why, it’s Mo Xuanyu! And his good friend, who is definitely not evil at all or planing the downfall of his brother, Nie Huaisang!
And that’s all I got. Discuss amongst yourselves lol
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wishthefish · 1 year
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Whilst I was scrolling through the Jin Guangyao tag, I happened across this post. I'm going to dissect this post in order to highlight all the ways that OP appears to ignore the ways that joining another sect and leaving the Jin clan would be impossible.
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Could he truly "have left"? Jin Guangyao's fame is widespread due to his status as the slayer of Wen Ruohan. His departure would have attracted great attention and suspicion. Repeatedly, the novel reminds us of the gentry's tendency to create rumours on the basis of unfounded assumptions. Rumours attempting to ridicule the Jin clan would soon spread. Had he left, people's curiosity regarding the Jin clan and therefore Jin Guangshan would have increased exponentially.
Jin Guangshan's involvement with demonic cultivation (through Xue Yang for example) is why he would want to avoid such speculation. So, he would have killed Jin Guangyao. Or, ruined his life so greatly that nobody would dare hire him. Considering how easily people mock his parentage, even whilst he's part of the Jin Clan, his life could easily be ruined by Jin Gaungshan and any rumours about his departure. So leaving the Jin Clan would put him in great danger. If not death.
Also, OP says he "could have gotten a place with the Lans" which is also not possible. It would have been incredibly audacious of Lan Xichen to 'steal' Jin Guangshan's son. The Lan Clan's reputation could have been damaged. Do you think the elders would have allowed such a thing?
Jin Guangshan could easily demand they repay the Jin Clan for rebuilding the cloud recesses. Imagine the economic upheaval that would have caused. It just isn't feasible for the Lan Clan to take Jin Guangyao in without sustaining great injury.
Lan Xichen is also a diligent clan leader who pays great attention to his responsibilities. He wouldn't put Jin Gaungyao before his clan.
This also goes for any "other high ranking clan" because the only other clans on equal ground to the Jin Clan are the Yunmeng Jiang and the Qinghe Nie.
Nie Mingjue would rather Qi deviate than accept Jin Guangyao into his clan. And Jiang Wanyin has nothing binding him to Jin Guangyao. unlike Jin Guangshan is his father-in-law because of Jiang Yanli's marriage with Jin Zixuan. Accepting Jin Guangyao into another clan after he leaves the Jins would be akin to insulting Jin Guangshan very publicly which, btw, is not a great political decision, especially after a war.
And why should he be the one to join another Clan? Regardless of whether he's part of the Jin Clan, Jin Guangshan's orders are still heeded. Even if the blood isn't personally on Jin Gaungyao's palm (in the instance that he leaves the Jin clan) it'll still be shed! Jin Guangyao knows this best of all.
Joining another clan would mean leaving his livelihood to said clan. Jin Guangyao is well acquainted with the ways in which powerful men weaponize their power. He could easily be removed from the clan as Nie Mingjue did. He could easily be forced into committing atrocities as Jin Guangshan did. Why take such a risk for a clan leader who is likely to be just as abusive as his father?
Also, why does HE have to join another Clan? He became a war hero to join the Jin Clan and now he's supposed to leave? He's killed, people. Tortured people. And now he needs to leave? For what? Another powerful man who'll abuse him?
Why are we redacting the blame from Jin Guangshan and reallocating it to the guy who only ever knew inequality?
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erotica-hooligan · 5 months
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Etienne Telling's 2023 Fic Roundup
All fics on AO3 are well tagged or have end notes with more details. Fics below contain everything from soft kink to noncon, so mind the tags and endnotes before reading.
114,307 words this year! Mostly CQL/MDZS, one original, and one A League of Nobleman.
In order of publication:
Brat, NieYao, Rated E, 3.4K.
Meng Yao comes home and ends up with an unexpected reward.
This Heavy Joy, Jadecest, Rated E, 22.6K
Xichen is determined not to allow Wangji to wither in isolation in the aftermath of his punishment. Xichen’s care draws the Twin Jades closer than ever and reveals old wounds alongside the new. As they struggle in recovery, Lan Yuan teaches them how to play pretend, and the Twin Jades redefine what it is to be a family.
Intricate, Wen Ning/Lan Xichen, Wangxian, Wangningxian, other implied ships, Rated E, 2.5K
Wen Ning walks in on Lan Huan dick out on his sofa, listening to Lan Zhan and Wei Ying fucking in the other room and takes charge of the situation.
Good Girls Don't, Xiyao/Jin Ling, Rated E, 5.3K
Jin Ling has a rape fantasy. Jin Guangyao doesn't trust just anyone to take care of her.
Grateful, A League of Nobleman, Lan Jue/Wang Yan, Rated E, 1.1K
"I wasn't even gone a week." How many more times will this scene play out between them? This is at least the third, and Mowen knows it won't be the last. He can only hope they'll keep happening, with Peizhi managing to escape from a mess of his own making by the skin of his teeth.
First, Jadecest, Rated E, 2.9K ⚠️Rape/Noncon, Underage
A teenage prank goes wrong and Lan Xichen finds himself the age he was when he lost his virginity.
Ask, Jadecest, Rated E, 5.8K
In which Wangji and Xichen play a cat and mouse game over Xichen's spanking kink.
drag it from the inside (like we're young again), Jadecest and Wangxian, Rated E, 6.6K
In which Wangji decides how to help his brother, with a little help from Wei Ying. A slice of Wangji POV from if you tell them where to begin. Not a standalone.
10/07/07 2:13 PM with @iamwestiec, Xizhui, Rated E, 24.2K
Introduced to a kink on ff.net, a teenage Lan Yuan stumbles into an ageplay forum in an attempt to learn more. With a new name (sizhui1987), false birth year, different gender, and insatiable curiosity, Sizhui makes friends with the forum's owner, shuoyue_writer. Drawn together by shared identities and caregiving preferences, Shuoyue changes Sizhui's life. Except… Shuoyue is Sizhui's Uncle Xichen, and eventually, the truth of who Sizhui is comes out and crashes down on the both of them. TL:DR: Sizhui Catfishes his Uncle Xichen, circa 2006-2008. A story told in AIM transcripts, emails, and vignettes
Home, Xiyao, Rated E, 4.9K
Xichen comes home to Meng Yao; he comes home to his mama.
Seventeen Minutes, Jin Gaungyao/Lan Sizhui (kinda), Rated E, 1.5K
The way of the Cloud Recesses is that a dominant must intimately understand what they are doing to their submissive. To understand, they must experience. It would be foolish not to accept a masterclass from Lianfang-zun, even if it means Sizhui's limits will be putty in Lianfang-zun's hands
Well Bred, 3zun/Qin Su, Rated E, 1.9K
The one where Qin Su gets fucked by her husband's beloved pony. And his boyfriend.
love is the voice under all silences, Xiyao, Rated E, 5.2K
The one where Jin Gaungyao allows Lan Xichen to whisk him away to happiness.
Recognition, Xiayo, Rated E, 17.2k ⚠️Rape (Xichen/Others)
Meng Yao rescues the first Jade of Lan and takes him into his home, becoming far more involved than ever anticipated.
strength and softness, Yu Ziyuan/Jiang Yanli, Rated E, 2.5K
Yanli has always been weak, but the truth of her weakness is a carefully guarded secret. It is not an easy life, yet with all of Yanli's secrets, she has one she treasures: there is a side of her mother that she is the only one in the world allowed to see. Or, the one where Yanli has a curse where she needs physical contact to live.
The Lemon House, Original, Nonbinary/Genderqueer, Rated E, 5.7K
A Day in the Life of a House Submissive for a Housing Cooperative in a BDSM AU setting. Wren’s second favorite thing about mornings is the satisfaction of giving its housemates a warm start to the morning. That their day will be a little nicer because of Wren. No matter how shitty its housemates’ days may be, Wren started them right. It will wait for them when they get home, bookmarking their days with warmth and affection.
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deathbyoctopi · 2 years
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Thoughts while watching Fatal Journey...
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Ayeee!! Did Jin Gaungyao really teach Huaisang the corrupted version of the healing song?? what a bastard!
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Cool scene on the bridge, but since when falling is an issue to cultivators? You can fly!! (Then again, Huaisang clinging to his dage when he dived down to save him, super sweet and kinda hot^^)
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OMFGGG ADORABLE NIE SIBLING BABIES!!!!
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Is this giant mausoleum filled with chambers, mazes and an endless chasm supposed to be the same sword tomb Wei Wuxian ang Lan Zhan explored (presumably in its entirety) in the series events? how? hOW???
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Nie Mingjue coming to the realization that he’s surrounded by redshirts, and therefore decides he’ll face the homicidal sword-spirit all alone with his inept (but plot armoured) baby brother
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wtf Nie Huaisang you’re not even armed!!XD
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“You ungrateful descendants” XD grandpa Nie is grumpy Nie!!
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I have no words for superSayan!Nie Mingjue. As someone around here said before, let’s swipe it discretely under the carpet along with all the other shark-jumping bullshit that shouldn’t be canon
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we-eel, so much for the “we’re all a happy band of brothers” sentiment from 10 minutes ago ^^U
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awwww how sweet!! he lies to him, but still he knows he did do all them killings 
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wait, they held his funeral without his two sworn brothers?? where is lan xichen? and I’d be sure jin guangyao would have loved to attend it, the slimy poser
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HOLLY SHIT the feeling of hearing your name from an absent loved one hits right in the feels (guys that is 1000% real life. thinking you heard them calling you or something just as casual, I really can’t
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AAnd he realizes, thank the gods immortal!! Go get your vengeance, you absolutely harmless hedonistic airhead<3
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Things I think about:
Jiang Cheng & [Person] fucking bc of close proximity and Shared Trauma then catching feelings. For Example…
Jiang Cheng and Jin Gaungyao co-parenting Jin Ling after their siblings’ deaths.
Jiang Cheng and Lan Wangji while they search for Wei Wuxian together after WWX death.
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mingjue · 2 years
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every time i see disgruntled 3rd wheel images i think abt jgy (not 3z*n dont tag it)
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juvallamu · 3 years
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Jin Ling hiding behind Jin GuangYao is the cutest thing
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aphexmoment · 4 years
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I don’t think of lan Xichen and Jin Gaungyao often but. Ough. Those two
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touchlikethesun · 11 days
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wait actually lan xichen is such a country club bitch like he and jin gaungyao love a good brunch and golf, love a good sensible shoe khaki and knit polo combo
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coolshadowtwins · 1 month
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I know everything else I post about is SVSSS, but I do have a MDZS au I’ve been thinking about for years lol
It’s an Encanto Au! Jin Ling is Mirabel, having no gift like the rest of his family.
His family of a lot of uncles and a lot of cousins. There are, of course, his mother Jiang Yanli, and her magical healing cooking. His uncle, and Yanli’s brother, Jiang Cheng, who controls the weather with his emotions. His other uncle, and Yanli’s other brother, Wei Wuxian, who can see the future. He disappeared ten years ago, and nobody is allowed to talk about him.
There’s his uncle Jin Gaungyao, who can hear everything that’s happening. And JGY’s son, Jin Rulan, who’s about to get his gift during his fifth birthday. And there’s his other, other uncle, Mo Xuanyu, who can transform into other people.
And there’s his perfect cousins, Lan Sizhui, who can summon flowers and is over all perfect. And Lan Jingyi, who is super strong. (They are probably cousins through WWX, but no one talks about that)
I never decided who Abuela is, because on one hand, the Yunmeng Trio is the triplets, so I feel like it has to be Madam Yu. But there are so many Jins here, so I feel like it needs to be Madam Jin? Of course, then it’s weird for JZX not to have any powers, since he’s the dad that married in. Never mind. It has to be Madam Yu. I have decided.
The background event, instead of a proposal, that everyone is panicked for, is the Lans’ coming to check on Lan Sizhui and Lan Jingyi, which has everyone stressed.
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wishthefish · 1 year
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Did Nie Mingjue abuse Jin Guangyao?
I've witnessed quite some disagreement amongst the mdzs fandom regarding Nie Mingjue's treatment of Jin Guangyao. Such great curiosity plagued me that I decided to kill the cat and examine whether this truly did occur. I will examine inequality, discrimination, abuse and victim-blaming attitudes within this analysis so please don't read on if any of this may upset you.
Abuse: Purposeful violence resulting in, or with the intention of causing physical harm, suffering and/or injuries.
After the cultivation clans gather to discuss Wei Wuxian and Wen Qing's branch of the Wens as a threat, Nie Mingjue expresses disapproval towards Jin Guangyao;
Nie MingJue walked over, "All clever talk - hard work indeed." Hearing this, Lan XiChen smiled but said nothing. Jin Guangyao knew that Nie MingJue would teach him a lesson whenever he found the chance" -Chapter 73
His clear disapproval of Jin Guangyao is rather interesting for he doesn't offer such judgement to the cultivators who used Luo Qingyang's gender as reason enough to ridicule her defence of Wei Wuxian. The Wens are evil, therefore any force that opposes them must be good in Nie Mingjue's view. So, when misogynistic attitudes are weaponized against Luo Qingyang, he says absolutely nothing because such discrimination supports their claim that the Wens must be eradicated. He has no objection to this underhanded technique yet disagrees with Jin Guangyao's lie about not remembering what Wei Wuxian said.
But, even then, he doesn't object to his lie during the discussion. He cares little for politics (eg. throwing Jin Guangyao down a staircase before several witnesses) so his refusal to openly criticize Jin Guangyao isn't because it was a politically astute decision but because his lie supported Nie Mingjue's argument that the Wens (and therefore Wei Wuxian) must be annihilated.
He isn't angry about the deceit itself but rather that Jin Guangyao lied. His anger isn't justice but rather distrust of Jin Guangyao. With this, I refute any claims that his aggression towards Jin Gaungyao is somehow justified. Also, the notion that somehow such aggression can be justified is a perversion of reality and is just very weird.
Jin Guangyao is also in great danger whenever Nie Mingjue abuses him. Nie Mingjue's murder attempts are almost always preceded by bouts of violence. Let's use the time he threw Jin Guangyao down Carp Tower as an example:
He raised his foot. Yet Jin GuangYao neither avoided nor took defence. The kick landed right on him, and again he rolled like a pebble down Carp Tower -Chapter 49
Nie Mingjue kicks Jin Gaungyao down Carp Tower even whilst knowing the unfortunate circumstance that was Meng Yao's first meeting with Jin Guangshan. A very clear parallel between Nie Mingjue and Jin Gaungshan is established within this scene. Just as Jin Guangshan could refuse to harm one of his bastards because he was a powerful man, Nie Mingjue can abuse Jin Gaungyao because he too, is a very powerful man.
This parallel demonstrates Nie Mingjue's supposed 'righteousness' isn't fuelling his hatred of Jin Gaungyao but rather his very personal feelings towards him. he views Jin Gaungyao's deceit as a slight against him. He takes offence when Meng Yao doesn't fully match up to his perspective of him. He can justify viewing Jin Guangyao as manipulative and sly because Jin Gaungyao doesn't adhere to his views. He is angered precisely because he can't understand him. Meng Yao hurt him, so Nie Mingjue feels justified in hurting him back. Physically.
It's horrifically petty because they are not equals. They never have been! Meng Yao is first his subordinate. He doesn't reconcile with their new relationship as sworn brothers, going as far as to continue calling Jin Guangyao "Meng Yao". Perhaps Nie Mingjue still sees Jin Gaungyao as his inferior and Therefore feels entitled to harm because of a personal grievance with him. Who would dare oppose the righteous Chifeng-Zun for putting a prostitute's son in his place?
Nie Mingjue always believes his violence is justified. After burning Nie Huaisang's belongings he says:
“The both of you should be tied up and beaten once every day”
Although it appears to simply be a threat, the phrase takes a dark turn when considering burning Nie Huaisang's belongings was initially just a threat too. It isn't unreasonable to assume (had Nie Mingjue lived long enough) that he would have truly beaten both his brothers.
Nie Mingjue does not regret causing Nie Huaisang great anguish, proving he believes his aggression to be justified. It isn't just Jin Guangyao who was left liable, but also Nie Huaisang who hasn't committed any significant atrocities as Nie Mingjue believes Jin Gaungyao to have done. 
The Villanous Friends Extra continues to supply us with information;
...he saw a small area of purple at Jin GuangYao's forehead that wasn't hidden properly. He laughed, "Where did that come from?"..."Nie MingJue did it?"
Jin GuangYao, "If he were the one who did it, do you think I could still be standing here and talking to you?" 
Although Jin Guangyao claims Nie Mingjue was not the perpetrator of his injury, it is worth noting Xue Yang's initial assumption was that Nie Mingjue harmed him. His aggression is common enough knowledge that even Xue Yang whose interests lie wholly in revenge and demonic cultivation knows of it.
Yet again are the power discrepancies between Jin Gaungyao and Nie Mingjue highlighted for nobody appears to care enough to attempt to protect Jin Guangyao from further harm. Nie Mingjue is allowed to abuse Jin Gaungyao without interference.
Moreover, Jin Gaungyaos' relationship with Jin Guangshan is infamous - just look at his courtesy name! Madam Jin is infamous for disliking Jin Gaungayo, especially after she publicly admonishes him. Lan Xichen too discusses his relationship with his parents;
Lan XiChen "His mother never liked him to begin with. After ZiXuan-Xiong passed away, she often hit him and scolded him. These days, his father also refuses to listen to him" -Chapter 49
Instead of assuming his parents harmed him, Xue Yang assumes Nie Mingjue is the culprit suggesting such abuse is widely known and accepted by society. 
Jin Guangyao also asks:
"If he were the one who did it, do you think I could still be standing here and talking to you?"
Suggesting that a) Nie Mingjue's aggression is so damaging that it takes days for recovery or b) there's a high chance of his death whenever Nie Mingjue is angry. Most instances of abuse occur before Nie Mingjue attempts to kill him, so I believe B to be the most reasonable answer.
Here's another quote I found that supports my argument.Not cool Da-ge, not cool:
Lan XiChen's face disclosed his worry, but Jin GaungYao stopped him, then followed Nie MingJue out of the Blooming Garden. As soon as they approached the edge of Carp Tower, Nie MingJue bought his palm down on him
To conclude, Jin Guangyao is often victimized by Nie Mingjue on the basis of a perceived slight or hatred. Although Nie Mingjue uses justice to legitimise his aggression, his distorted perception of reality ignores the power inequities that pervade society. So yes, I do believe he abused Jin Guangyao.
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