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greatalastoraltruist · 3 months

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So we know Alastor and Lilith disappeared at the same time 7 years ago. And we know that Lucifer had a meeting with Heaven which began the exterminations. We don't know when that happened though. Either they're not mentioning when the exterminations started because they've always happened or because revealing when they started would give too much away and make it too easy to guess things. All Charlie knows is that Lucifer went to the meeting and she assumes he gave the go ahead for exterminations. But the exterminations haven't always happened. They only started after the angels, or specifically Sera I think considering no other angels knew about it, became afraid of the power and influence Lilith had over the demons.

My current theory is that that meeting was called between Sera, Adam, and Lucifer because Alastor and Lilith were planning on working together with him broadcasting her voice on his radio station to inspire the other demons to rise to war against the angels. I think Sera demanded that Lilith and Alastor be separated with Lilith making a deal with Adam to stay in heaven where she can't empower any other demons with her voice or even contact anyone in hell and that Sera demanded the exterminations happen as well in order to not only lessen the demons' power but also instill fear in them in an attempt to prevent future uprisings. I think Alastor was given the options of either be killed or sign a contract limiting his power and requiring him to stay away for a while so that their little idea of rebellion is forgotten amongst the masses. I especially think that because of Zestial's comment about folks thinking Alastor had fallen to holy arms. Maybe Sera is his contract holder. That or they tried to straight up kill him and he somehow escaped barely alive and it's taken this long for him to heal and regain enough power for him to feel comfortable revealing himself to society. But trying to kill him wouldn't explain the contact or his need to 'unclip his wings'.

#idk this is my current theory #i could end up being wrong but i feel like thats the direction all the foreshadowing is pointing towards #its way too much a coincidence for lilith and Alastor to have been gone the same amount of time esp with her in heaven after trying to #incite an uprising #considering Lilith has no wings it seems like the obv answer is Sera is his contract holder #and i see no reason for her to have ever met let alone make a contract with a demon outside of trying to stop a rebellion #one thing i don't understand tho is why didnt Sera and Adam just kill them? why are they still allowed to live? unless Lilith is somehow #unkillable but then still why didnt they just kill Alastor?#there has to be another factor im missing #ughhhhhhhhh who knows how many more years itll be before the next season #at least theyre already recording lines for it but its the animation thats gonna kill us #as much as i wish the next season was comin next year i doubt it and i def dont want any animators to be put through anymore crunch time #broadcasting across hell #alastor theory #hazbin hotel #lilith hazbin hotel #adam hazbin hotel #lucifer hazbin hotel #sera hazbin hotel #alastor hazbin hotel #lilth theory #radio demon #hazbin theory

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midnight-mismanagement · 3 months

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Something that has been bugging me a bit is Carmilla’s song for Vaggie. The song just tells me that Carmilla doesn’t know who Vaggie is as a person, because Vaggie has been doing everything for love this entire time, to the point that Charlie recognizes this and that helps her gain perspective and forgive Vaggie. It would be different if Vaggie had been the type of character who was bitter and hurt for being cast out of heaven for showing mercy, and became more ruthless instead, at first getting close to Charlie as a means to survive in Hell and then as a tool to get closer to Heaven to get her revenge, but along the way had actually grown to love Charlie but had been avoiding that vulnerability in order to focus on her revenge. But she’s not.

Her problem is already stated in ep 3, where she does everything out of love so much to the point where she doesn’t feel she has an identity outside of Charlie, and that she feels she needs to protect Charlie at the cost of herself, to the point of sheltering Charlie (“I’ll make the mistakes (so you don’t have to)” etc).

So, I think I would’ve liked the song to be more about how love makes Vaggie vulnerable? How her being so focused on protecting Charlie and seeing how she’s faring and preparing to step in at any moment leaves Vaggie herself open and vulnerable to attack. Her focus is distracted, and she forgets what’s right in front of her, and she doesn’t trust Charlie enough to protect herself. Maybe not all of this, but some more acknowledgment on deeper reasons that Vaggie might leave herself open to attack, like earlier stated in the song. But if she wields a spear, she needs to be a spear, not always just someone else’s shield.

#unless I misunderstood something about vaggie or the song #idk #anyways #hazbin hotel #hazbin vaggie #carmilla carmine #vaggie #I guess my thing is #it makes sense carmilla advocates for fighting for love?#since she was protecting her daughters #but this also caused the inciting incident of hell moving up the extermination and being more determined to kill everyone #so she made hell more vulnerable #she knew heaven was planning to retaliate #and yet she didn't tell hell anything and didn't prepare anyone for the incoming attack #she was afraid of her daughters getting caught in the crossfire in the event of an uprising #but their options are literally #let the angels kill everyone and do nothing to prepare #or give out weapons for defense against the angels #which she didn't end up doing until vaggie came #so #love has been messing with both vaggie and carmilla's judgments #idk I just kind of find that interesting #hazbin hotel spoilers

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swagyna · 6 months

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sobbing.

zoomers are so incredibly stupid.

the letter does have some good critique irt capitalism, but so do feminists and communists and literally everyone else who isn't a capitalist.

there are other ppl you can listen to that say the same things but also aren't bad and extremist??

#nothing he wrote is ground breaking.#but what's been written is to incite an uprising against the government #and like. ok tbh im not against that. but we can do it in ways that aren't violent.#ANNND like. bro. he has no idea how weak willed a good chunk of Americans are 😭😭 the trend of reacting on tiktok??#we are SO conceited.

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recovering-vamp · 1 year

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I could be your Angel… or your devil.

#cryptidart #the great backlog #blade #this is the goofiest thing I’ve ever drawn and it makes me so amused #based on a meme with a cat if you know it you know it if not this will seem truly strange #blade is a little guy who will cook you soup #and maybe also incite a political uprising #this is a joke based specifically on how she’s in a cottagecore ttrpg but keeps implying she’s also trying to dismantle the monarchy #and by implying I mean just just simply is but she’s also quite busy with surviving #but it’s on the to do list

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alternativeulster · 9 months

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i'm the most irish person alive because about 80% of my known direct ancestors got banished from ireland

#most irish people can't trace any family history due to records being burned #the only reason i can is the extensive generational criminal record #by god those guys loved a good uprising #my somethingth great grandpa getting banished for talking shit about the king ->#my 5th great grandpa (of the united irishmen) getting banished for inciting an uprising #-> me getting a sealed letter from the house of commons telling me to stop sending zip bomb to my MP #family that has always been a problem and will always be a problem

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mapsontheweb · 10 days

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Italy from 1796 to 1805

Cartes 1-4 & 6 : « Atlas de la révolution française », Beaurepaire & Marzagalli, Autrement, 2016

Carte 5 : « Atlas de l’empire napoléonien », Chappey & Gainot, Autrement, 2e éd., 2015

by cartesdhistoire

The incursion of Bonaparte's army into Italy in the spring of 1796 was primarily a diversion to relieve pressure on the Rhine front. However, its success quickly opened up new possibilities: French support and the activism of local patriots led to the establishment of sister republics. Over three years (1796-1799), known as the Triennio, the political landscape and institutions of the peninsula underwent significant changes. This period, marked by reforms and democratic achievements, as well as the involvement of individuals previously excluded from public affairs, is crucial for understanding how the Triennio influenced the attitudes of both elites and the general populace during and after the Napoleonic era.

However, the sister republics collapsed in the spring of 1799 in the face of the successes of the Austro-Russian armies of the Second Coalition and the armed uprisings of peasants incited by the clergy and angered by French abuses. Naples surrendered in June 1799, and the repression there was severe.

The political landscape of the peninsula was once again reshaped by France following the Second Italian Campaign, which began in 1800. The Cisalpine Republic, reinstated after the Battle of Marengo and expanded during the Peace of Lunéville, gave way to the Italian Republic in 1802, then became a kingdom in 1805. The kingdom's territory expanded to include Veneto and Istria (1805), the Marche region (1808), and South Tyrol (1810). Thanks to the Vice-President of the Italian Republic, Francesco Melzi d'Eril, the political efforts during these years resulted in the establishment of a modern state and significant reforms in administration, justice, and the military.

The Napoleonic experience helped to politically educate the Italian elites, providing them with a shared institutional and legal framework, as well as standardized administrative practices, which made the idea of unity feasible.

#maps #cartesdhistoire #igsourced #italy #18th century #19th century

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toxicagarian · 3 months

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Something I think is interesting, is how hell seems to reflect Lilith moreso then Lucifer...

The denizens (goats) and her goat horns. The fact she was the one to incite the initial uprising. The lack of anything apple or rubber ducky themed...

#hazbin hotel lucifer #hazbin hotel lilith #hazbin hotel

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deadbeat-motel · 7 days

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Something of a quick fix to the whole "no one in hell knows angels can't be killed" because it's such an insane thing to believe that in a thousand years, not a single soul ever thought of fighting the angels? In the show, angels are told to be such an easy kill because they never had to defend themselves and Carmilla produces angel-tipped weapons by the hundreds, to the point of having a market for her products. It's so hard to believe that not one of the sinners who owns one of these "Carmine-Crafted" weapons didn't try to fight back against an angel and succeeded.

So here's a thought:

What if only Carmilla and Zestiel, the two at the top of the sinner's hierarchy and even able to keep every overlord in check, had actually known that angels could be killed. What if the idea that angels can't be killed was propaganda they started and kept going to keep sinners from killing an angel and inciting an unwanted war with heaven?

Somewhat long post ahead.

In the show proper, Zestiel voices concern about "Heaven purging all of hell for daring an uprising" when the idea of fighting back against the angels is brought up. He seems so sure that this would lead to an entire purge if they ever attempted the idea and surely, there must be something within the 700+ years that he had spent in that realm that makes him so sure about this possible outcome.

Here's what I wrote:

In Zestiel's time, the overpopulation of hell had just begun to be a problem. There was no yearly purge like the one we're familiar with now. Instead, it was only annual visits to check in on the realm and on Lucifer himself (personally, I would like to believe these visits were to check in on him after being thrown into hell by the higher order of angels.) Sinners back then were just as murder-happy as they are now and have found out that Angels are not good at defending themselves and that they can hurt the angels with the weapons they bring themselves.

This first murder of angels caused an extreme outrage up in heaven that it started the first purge of all sinners of hell but unlike the normal exterminations, this purge wiped out more than 80% of the population. Zestiel was one of the few who had survived this initial purge and personally saw heaven's wrath when provoked. Everyone who had survived lived on and warned the newer sinners to never attack an angel.

Heaven, however, decided to start the yearly extermination a few years later and many of those surviving demons died in the many exterminations that happened after that. Leaving Zestiel as the only living demon who still remembers the first purge and why it happened. Zestiel wants to avoid having heaven's big purge again not because he cares about the sinners like him, but because he cannot let himself live through something like that again.

Carmilla fits in this as the main weapons dealer in hell, she could make sure that the production of angel-infused weaponry is contained and limited to only her and an exclusive few. She can also make sure that the weapons being used in hell are controlled by her since she's basically made a monopoly on weapons in hell. Zestiel makes her his partner in making sure to continue making sure that the sinners will never fight and win against angels.

Both these overlords work together to continue scaring off every sinner from attempting to kill an angel and even if they try to, they're able to rely on the fact that none of their weapons can even harm an angel.

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It's not a perfect fix (admittedly it was written hastily and does go against other parts of the worldbuilding) but it's at least a step in a clear direction and makes sense of the "No one knows angels can be hurt" aspect of worldbuilding.

#vivziepop critical #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel rewrite #motts is ranting #//also can we talk about how Zestiel feels like he's designed like he came from the victorian era whilst talking in 13th-century English?//#//Cause he made me so confused about whether he should be from 19th or 13th century England/./

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the-garbanzo-annex-jr · 2 months

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by Jessica Costescu

The report, released Monday, is the task force's first attempt to provide recommendations to Columbia's leaders regarding their response to rising campus anti-Semitism. Student protesters at Columbia have advocated for terror against Israelis. During a pair of January rallies, students cheered on the Iran-backed Houthi terrorists and chanted, "From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada," and "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab."

The term "intifada" references violent Palestinian uprisings in Israel that featured terror attacks on civilians, including suicide bombings at bus stations and night clubs. Columbia's rules bar students from inciting violence "against members of our community." Still, Columbia's Task Force on Antisemitism said it would not provide guidance on whether phrases such as "Globalize the Intifada" violate those rules, instead encouraging the university's "legal team" to provide "more guidance on this issue."

"Many have heard chants at protests like 'Globalize the Intifada' and 'Death to the Zionist State' as calls for violence against them and their families," the task force wrote in its report. "The University also has said that calls for genocide, like other incitement to violence, violate the rules."

"While we agree with this principle, the application of it should be clarified," the task force continued. "Many of the chants at recent Columbia protests are viewed differently by different members of the Columbia community: some feel strongly that these are calls to genocide, while others feel strongly that they are not. … Since this ultimately is a matter of legal compliance, we do not offer a detailed analysis here."

The report comes months after debate around campus calls for "intifada" rocked the Ivy League.

#columbia university #taskforce on antisemitism #columbian university taskforce on antisemitism #intifada #jewish students #from the river to the sea #globalize the intifada

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starqueensthings · 7 months

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Inner Conflict: “No, Howzer, ‘some’ isn’t good enough. I want all of Syndulla’s supporters found.” [ … ] “But, sir, if we continue rounding up peaceful citizens, it will incite an uprising.”

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#sir the people are not insurgents. we have no cause to arrest them #fuckity fuck he’s so morally good #he didn’t deserve any of the bs he went through #starqueensedits #the bad batch #tbb #bad batch #bad batch howzer #howzer bad batch #tbb howzer #howzer tbb

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insomniaruler · 6 months

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My brain R E F U S E S to turn off so some misc mcyt headcanons :D

- Ren is captured currently by the watchers because he keeps getting to close to inciting a major uprising against them

- Lizzie is slowly becoming a Listener (starting from the swap out in Limited Life). The Listeners swapped her out to keep her sane after Last Life. And they wanted to preserve Pearls sanity so they swapped her in for a session.

- C!Ren is a pan disaster

-Grian, Pearl and Jimmy are siblings. They basically raised each other.

-Grian and Pearl are twins

- Cleo & Joe are childhood best friends

Cleo was a young Zombie hybrid abandoned by her Lurch (a group of Zombies)

Joe was a code mistake who was cast off by the devs as a mistake, for years he was young and angry. Using his corrupted Code to jump around servers without notice and curse people (Herobrine). Eventually he was locked into the world hub by the devs.

They became fast friends with the need for survival

- Iskall keeps trying to sneak Tubbo & Fundy onto Hermitcraft to show them his Redstone creations

- Pix is the immortal champion of Death

He was a young elytran in the beginning of the Devs worlds

He was captured by poachers and killed for his wings

Death sent him back as a phantom when he made her a deal to spread her influence to new lands

- Etho is a shape shifter :D

- Mumbo is an enderman hybrid from the nether

- Mcc is a huge event on Hermitcraft, they usually invite the winning team (if it has hermits on it) to a giant party on the Server. It is insane.

#mcyt #headcanons #mcyt headcanons #pixlriffs #rendog #ldshadowlady #Grian #pearlescentmoon #jimmy solidarity #zombie cleo #joe hills #iskall85 #ethoslab #mumbo #Mcc

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the-hopefulpenguin · 1 month

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The Problem of the Earth Kingdom

I’ve been doing some more thinking about Avatar geopolitics and I’ve settled upon a bit of an overarching theory - that the Earth Kingdom is the seat of every war in the last two centuries plus of the Avatar universe.

This is not to say that the Fire Nation, in particular, does not bear culpability for the Hundred Year War; they absolutely do; but rather that the geopolitical problem posed by the Earth Kingdom is one which policymakers have grappled with throughout the shows and books, to limited success. In brief, it is this: a strong Earth Kingdom is too powerful; a weak one is too unstable. As a result, policymakers in the Caldera, Republic City, the Water Tribes, and the White Lotus have struggled to find an effective balance - and repeatedly failed to do so.

To prove this, I would like to do give a history of major conflicts in Avatar and why they link back to this central problem of the Earth Kingdom.

THE PLATINUM KING Our first piece of evidence is the Platinum Affair and subsequent rule of Earth King Feishan in the late 5th and early 4th centuries BG. These inferences are drawn noting that we have relatively limited textual evidence from the period.

The inciting incident was a prolonged civil war in the Earth Kingdom, between the armies of the Earth King Feishan and a General Nong. The origins of the conflict are unclear, but we do know that it was protracted, with neither side seeking a decisive engagement. This had a negative impact on trade and potentially international stability.

As a consequence, the Water Tribes and Fire Nation began to fund General Nong in secret - the intention appearing to be to have him win and end the fighting, with a friendly regime in Ba Sing Se. In other words, foreign powers refused to tolerate instability in the Earth Kingdom, and so intervened.

Unfortunately for Agna Q’ela and the Caldera, Feishan ultimately won the civil war at the Battle of Llamapaca’s Crossing, which revealed the funding scheme and foreign culpability in it. The Earth King responded by embargoing on the Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom, with only four cities permitted to handle a limited throughput of foreign trade. Internationally mobile elites (the shang merchants) in these cities, seeking to break free of the Earth King, attempted to develop new forms of bending - risking international stability in the process. Feishan also considered invasions of the other powers due to cooled relations. This is an example of how a strong, centralised Earth Kingdom provoked resistance from its periphery and fear abroad.

THE FIFTH NATION Our next piece of evidence is centred on the late fourth and early third centuries BG - the rise and fall of the Fifth Nation, a major group of corsairs operating off the southern coast of the Earth Kingdom.

Our textual sources on their rise to prominence are somewhat patchy. We know that there was a long history of sea-banditry in the region, but by the time of Yangchen, they were powerful enough for the Avatar to personally sign a treaty with them to secure an agreement not to attack the coasts of the Earth Kingdom. It is probable that their willingness to sign a deal with Yangchen was as much to do with fear of a united Earth Kingdom under Feishan as it was terror of the Avatar. After all, Yangchen’s treaty makes no mention of at-sea piracy; only that which directly targets the Earth Kingdom.

However, the end of the Feishan dynasty - it is unclear if this is the death of Feishan himself, or an immediate successor - led to the Wars of Secrets and Daggers, a succession of assassinations and palace coups from at least 306-296 BG which killed at least seven royals. This chaos was exploited by the Yellow Neck Uprising and led to rising status among regional magnates such as Jianzhu - who ultimately crushed the Yellow Necks at the Battle of Zhulu Pass. In short, the late fourth century BG saw a complete collapse in central Earth Kingdom authority.

The Fifth Nation was quick to exploit this, defeating the Earth Kingdom fleet in open combat and establishing maritime hegemony in the Eastern Ocean. They failed to expand into the Mo Ce, largely due to the actions of the Fire Nation, who stepped up their patrols to counter the pirate threat. The Fifth Nation was ultimately destroyed by Avatar Kyoshi and an aggressive maritime counterinsurgency campaign waged by the Fire Nation. In other words, the failure of Earth Kingdom stability exported a severe maritime security challenge which required sustained Calderan intervention to resolve.

SOZIN’S FEAR, OZAI’S FOLLY I've presented my argument about the origins of the Hundred Year War previously, so I will not dwell on it - the above article is a richer explanation. In brief, however, from the crisis of the fourth century, the Earth Kingdom began to enjoy a slow revival in fortunes through the third and second centuries - largely due to the actions of Avatar Kyoshi. By the first century BG, it is plausible that Ba Sing Se’s authority was once more reaching into its maritime periphery along the Mo Ce coastline.

For a Fire Nation used to trading privileges and political influence in this part of the Earth Kingdom, this could be seen as an immediate infringement. Moreover, the example of Feishan suggests that a united Earth Kingdom could threaten the core interests - perhaps even sovereignty - of the Fire Nation. Sozin therefore invaded the Earth Kingdom not to exterminate it, but to secure Fire Nation interests in the periphery and limit the Earth Kingdom’s united power.

Unfortunately for the Fire Nation, the Earth Kingdom proved more cohesive than they had assessed, and the war ground on for decades until Ozai, a strategically inept Fire Lord, mobilised a big enough coalition against him to end in a defeat for the Fire Nation - one actively enabled by the Avatar.

SWORD OF THE CALDERA But for the Fire Nation, defeat in war led to victory in peace. Fire Lord Zuko swiftly renounced overt rule on the continent, but defended Fire Nation privileges all the same - deploying an army to the continent in 101 AG to face down a royal force under Earth King Kuei. This crisis was settled by Avatar Aang, and led to the creation of the United Republic, carved out of Earth Kingdom territory along the Mo Ce periphery.

But, as discussed elsewhere, the United Republic was only nominally independent. In practice, it was heavily tied into the cultural and economic world of the Fire Nation - to the point that the commander-in-chief of its military is a Fire Nation prince. It is unclear if Zuko personally intended this, but it is a defensible position to argue that the United Republic was created to weaken the Earth Kingdom.

And weaken it, it most likely did. By the late 2nd century AG, the Earth Kingdom is experiencing a serious domestic crisis, on the order of the crisis of the late fourth/early third century BG. Even the movement of tax revenues to Ba Sing Se is seriously in doubt due to bandit activity, while local magnates such as Suyin of Zaofu wield immense power. It is probable that the United Republic played a role in this - it deprived the Earth Kingdom of much of the lucrative Mo Ce trade, and served as a constant demonstration of Ba Sing Se’s weakness.

This was all well and good for the Fire Nation and other international actors, who had reason to fear a strong Earth Kingdom. But the situation spiralled out of control with the assassination of Queen Hou-Ting, and an enfeebled Earth Kingdom which did not pose a foreign threat collapsed into anarchy.

UNITY & DISASTER Clearly, something had to be done - instability in the Earth Kingdom threatened trading relations and fostered transnational threats such as the Red Lotus. The international community was unwilling to deploy their own troops into the Earth Kingdom to restore order, so; much like with General Nong centuries earlier; they selected a proxy to do it for them: Kuvira.

The global strategic intent seems clear. Prince Wu was a United Republic-friendly candidate for the throne. Kuvira, legally empowered and supported with money and weapons, would re-unite the Earth Kingdom. She would then step aside and let Wu take the throne, where he would reign over a stabilised but non-threatening Earth Kingdom.

Unfortunately for this plan, Kuvira refused to hand over power, instead forming the revanchist Earth Empire and setting her sights on conquering the United Republic. This was not megalomania but rather geopolitics; for the Earth Kingdom to be strong, the Fire Nation-backed intrusion on the Mo Ce periphery must be repulsed. There are certainly shades of Feishan’s embargo policy to be found in Kuvira’s approach. Kuvira was, however, subsequently defeated by the Avatar and the United Forces, ending the immediate territorial threat to the United Republic.

RUINS OF THE EMPIRE In light of this challenge, the policy approach changed - the Earth Kingdom would be abolished, and instead be broken up into a set of independent, democratic states. On the surface, this resolves the too strong/too unstable paradox which plagued foreign policy calculations for centuries. In practice, it is highly likely to lead to further violence.

There is little tradition of local democracy in the Earth Kingdom, but extensive examples of military magnates and warlords assuming control in the absence of centralised authority. The aftermath of Kuvira’s conquests, as we see in Ruins of the Empire, left substantial stockpiles of sophisticated weapons available. The division of a large, multi-ethnic empire into smaller states is a difficult process likely to lead to grievance and dissent. And all this is not to mention the threat of spirit vine weapon proliferation.

The future of the Earth Kingdom, far from looking like a democratic paradise, probably involves a chaotic mixture of shaky democracies and outright autocracies vying for position. If any one of the successor states can gain enough power, they may well attempt to follow Kuvira, and Chin, and Feishan, in consolidating imperial rule over the whole Earth Kingdom.

For foreign powers, then, far from solving anything with this new step, they have simply fired the starting pistol on the latest round of Earth Kingdom instability - which is likely, in the best case, to generate transborder threats requiring action; and in the worst case, lead to the consolidation of the Earth Kingdom behind a new, revanchist leader, and the outbreak of another major conventional war.

#atla #lok #atla meta #lok meta #atla worldbuilding #lok worldbuilding #zuko #kyoshi #yangchen

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nesiacha · 2 months

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in your opinion, what was the most significant mistake the jacobins ever made? (i tend to like them much more than other factions in the frev, but i still want to know how Problematic my Faves were)

Good question. I'm not sure which period you want to talk about regarding the Jacobins, so let's discuss the one after the fall of Louis XVI's monarchy. I will mainly encompass the Mountain faction.

Regarding tactical errors, according to some historians, including Antoine Resche, a contemporary historian who has made excellent videos on the French Revolution under the name Histony, which can be found on the Veni Vidi Sensi website, leans towards the lack of left-wing unity as one of the errors. And honestly, he's not wrong. Some might think that the elimination of Danton and the Hébertists was a turning point. But it was salvageable (I've already discussed what I thought in one of my posts). Only the Jacobins made the grave mistake of eliminating Chaumette, among others, even though he had refused to participate in an attempt to overthrow the Convention, which showed he was the most reasonable. Keeping him as the prosecutor of the Commune would have appeased some of the sans-culottes. Instead, the Convention has him arrested and executed. I understand that at that time the Convention could not afford an overthrow and was afraid Chaumette might change his mind, but by doing so, they alienated a large part of the sans-culottes. The wave of executions like Gobel or Chaumette was one of the most disastrous moves.

Another one is the non-application of the Ventôse laws, but it is true that some Montagnards blocked this, and the Marais was against these laws.

Also, being a fervent advocate of freedom of expression, there should never have been decrees holding journalists accountable. I don't particularly like Desmoulins, but executing him for his writings… Moreover, it will not prevent opinions from forming and solidifying.

Regarding moral errors: In addition to the travesties of justice I mentioned concerning the Hébertists and the Dantonists, there were other cases. When Girondin deputies were dismissed, most deputies did not want them dead, let alone imprisoned. They were only supposed to remain under house arrest. The problem is, many of them escaped and incited uprisings in the departments, which further exacerbated the already endangered Republic. Despite all I have to reproach them for, some Girondins were honorable people, notably Manon Roland and Vergniaud (even if Vergniaud had an ambiguous attitude, he still remained under house arrest) who stay in Paris. Yet they were judged, condemned to death, and executed along with other Girondins who incited or attempted uprisings and fled Paris. It wasn't even a tactical error; it was unfair.

Another very minor point concerns the Convention entirely, and this is my opinion. Why separate Marie Antoinette from her son? I understand there were royalists in Paris (the assassination of the remarkable Louis Michel Lepeletier by one of Louis XVI's former guards, among other events, will demonstrate this) who would do anything to get their hands on him as Louis XVII, which would have been dangerous. It would have been better to monitor the child's education closely given this context, but why not have strict supervision while leaving him in his mother's care, even though we know her opinions? I don't want to demonize Antoine Simon, executed in Thermidor; he wasn't a brute; he had compassion for the former queen and liked the child, but it's horrible. Being myself a proponent of reforms for jail to ensure the child remains very close to his parents, I protest against this. And the royalists seized upon it to portray an image of an inhumane Republic.

Women's rights were not respected, as I discussed in my post "Women's rights suppressed."

One of the most serious errors was the Prairial Law. When this bill presented by Couthon and later approved by the Committee of Public Safety and voted on by the Convention passed, many innocents suffered. Following the execution of the "Robespierrists," the Convention lied, saying it had not approved it, which was false.

Paradoxically, there was no internal elimination necessary at that time, notably the case of Carnot, who gave orders behind the backs of others to wage a war of conquest, which would have jeopardized the Battle of Fleurus if Saint-Just had not intervened with the order. I don't understand why he wasn't arrested; generals have been executed for less than that. This man doesn't deserve his title as the organizer of Victory, but having eliminated those who had really done the job like Saint-Just, among others, he could claim that title.

I realize I have done a critical job on the Montagnards even though I admire them, so a few lines to rehabilitate them. Most of them refused the irresponsible war of conquest advocated by the Girondins. Finally, fatigue was fatal to them. They put their best efforts into saving France, but most became ill (Couthon, Robespierre; I don't know if Billaud-Varenne was beginning to develop his dysentery or if his illness came after his deportation). Robespierre made a grave mistake by slamming the door on the Committee of Public Safety following a dispute among its members, then a few weeks later making a speech where he designated culprits without naming names (like Fouché, for example), so some wrongly believed they were the ones being designated when they weren't. Fouché and his gang played on this.

I want to say that Jean Clement Martin explained that if the Girondins are seen as victims, it's because they didn't have time to put the Montagnards on the guillotine. There were quite a few assassinations of Montagnard deputies (some think that Barbaroux manipulated Corday to kill Marat, Joseph Chalier was killed in atrocious conditions by the Girondins of Lyon, Isnard's speech). When the Jacobins acted, there was an internal civil war and an external war against the Revolution, plus a depreciated currency. And they saved it. For a while, they tried to accommodate (at least the majority of them) their adversaries. Then the gloves came off. But they remained in democracy, even in the worst moments. The Jacobins supported the abolition of slavery (not just them), and most of the major Jacobin figures fully supported the uprisings by slaves against the colonists.

Napoleon, although praised today for inheriting a better situation thanks to the efforts of his predecessors, through his dictatorial attitudes, betrayal of the Jacobins, and wars of conquest (all the wrong things), left France in a worse state with the return of the Bourbons. Revolutionaries like Marat predicted from the outset of the French Revolution that if the Girondins persisted in declaring war, even if France were victorious, there would be a military dictatorship and subsequently the return of the Bourbons.

All this leads me to think that it was the revolutionaries of the Mountain who were pragmatic and Napoleon the "idealist" in the wrong sense of the term, given his grandiosity and stupid belief (in my opinion) that he could impose hereditary dictatorship, exploit other countries without them retaliating (but that's another story).

Finally, the Jacobins in power were exhausted; they even lacked sleep hours due to their internal schedules. Before the Prairial Law was passed, there was an assassination attempt on Collot, so it was thought that the royalist danger was present. Plus, this law was disfigured by those who presented it; they thought they would only use it against people like Fouché, Carrier, Barras, Fréron, Tallien—des despicable men who dishonored France and the Revolution. It was they who later presented themselves as victims of the Jacobins when they were the worst during the Terror. Contrary to belief, heads rolled after the Terror; just look at the execution of Romme and the other Montagnards, the execution of Babeuf, the fact that anyone who demanded the constitution of 1793 could be punishable by death.

Finally, I want to say that despite my speeches, I don't believe in providential men; if France could have a sense of greatness during this period, it's thanks to the people. In Algeria, we have the slogan: "One hero only: the people."

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gojuo · 2 years

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no you guys DONT UNDERSTAND HELAENA TARGARYEN she was so loved so so loved by the people her suicide incited a peasant uprising which led to the deaths of 5 motherfuckin dragons. literal ruling queen rhaenyra had to flee because the people hated her so much

imagine being so beloved as a queen people rise in revolt because of you committing suicide.... miss maegor with tits could never

#I LOVE HERRRR YOU GUYS DONT UNDERSTAND HER THE PEOPLE OF KL LOVED HER SO MUCH!!!!!!#SHE WAS LOVED SHE WAS SOO LOVED !!!!!#helaena targaryen #helaena #hotd #asoiaf #hotd spoilers #i dont want any blackcel speaking on her name EVER !!!!!#anti rhaenyra

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thegreenthepeacetheorange · 6 months

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Everlark (Catching Fire, Ch. 9-10)

sad peeta really breaks my heart. and he chooses to continue to be there for her in whatever way she needs. he is something else. he is the ultimate fictional man. no one is doing it like him. he loves her so much, my god.

"i have chosen gale and the rebellion" but in the same sentence she says she wishes peeta was here to hold her. lmao girl.

"i have chosen gale and the rebellion, and a future with peeta is the capitol's design, not mine" - sounds like she's trying to convince herself hard but i have some thoughts on this particular bit that i wrote down here.

i'll add that later when bonnie and twill tell about the uprising in 8, peeta and katniss's broadcasted events in the capitol also literally facilitate the rebellious actions of the people of 8 and provide them cover and a way to organise. their romance is not something insignificant to the districts!

anyways she doesn't know what kind of love she feels for gale but i believe that her love for peeta at this point strongly resembles a deep romantic love. it feels like she's trying to convince herself that her platonic and loyal love for gale is romantic but her actions towards him aren't. she regrets that she kissed him the chapter before.

"i really can't think about kissing when i have a rebellion to incite" is an incredible line

because she doesn't want to sort through her feelings for gale, her mind automatically turns to peeta (she did this a lot the inverse way in the first book)

her making up the excuse of checking if he got home okay, 3 doors down, just so she can talk to him. i see through you, katniss. even peeta is like ?

she's chosen gale but the first chance she gets after the snow, she calls peeta to see if he'll meet her in town

peeta just volunteering to go around town with her, from place to place, just to keep her company. an emotional support peeta. katniss is so lucky

them walking around town holding hands... but she's chosen gale you guys

peeta and katniss looking after haymitch has my whole heart. i feel like i'll need to do a separate reread of the books to map the relationship of these 3. chosen family for sure.

peeta making sure that katniss always has cheese topped buns just because he knows they're her favourite. husband

#everlark #peeta x katniss #katniss x peeta #katniss and peeta #katniss everdeen #peeta mellark #the hunger games #catching fire #tgtpto everlark read

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