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whump-kia · 2 months
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reminder that you can and most certainly should be self indulgent in your whump writing. no that's not too much blood. yes you should add a whipping scene. you think it's over the top? it's not enough. if you're not giggling and screeching internally and kicking your feet then what even is the point
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Coming Soon: ABCs of Whump zine
This zine includes 26 gorgeous (and whumpy) pieces of art, one for each letter of the alphabet. From A for Anaesthesia to Z for Zip Ties, you'll be sure to find some whumperflies!
The zine will be available in both physical and digital formats, and we will be shipping internationally! 50% of all profits from this zine will be donated to the Trevor Project, which provides crisis support to LGBTQ+ youth.
Publication Timeline:
January 8: Cover/Table of Contents Reveal and Preorders Open
March 10: Preorders Close
April 2: Official Release Day! Digital copies will be sent out.
Early April: Physical zines ship
This zine is co-organized with @befuddled-calico-whump, so go check out her awesome blog!
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kabie-whump · 17 days
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CYOA Whump Part 16
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You chose: Ask him why he got kicked out of the navy.
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You slump against the wall with a tired sigh. Using your magic and then getting shot with an arrow had you exhausted.
Onthyes sits next to the door, listening to the fight intently.
“Worried about your friend?” you ask.
He glances at you. “Yeah. I am. I know they’re criminals but most of them aren’t bad people.”
“You’re a criminal too,” you tease. “You’re in no position to judge.”
Onthyes shrugs. “Being a pirate was never a life I envisioned for myself.”
“You were in the navy, right? What happened?”
“I got kicked out.”
You roll your eyes. “So you said. But why?”
“Refusing to follow orders. The things my captain was doing… I didn’t agree with them. I always try to do as I’m told, but he wanted me to hurt people who had done nothing wrong and I just couldn’t do it. He left me for dead, and I was lucky enough for Erxik to find me and take pity on me.”
“Corrupt captains seem to be a running trend in the navy, hm? My captain sold me to yours.”
Onthyes nods. “That wasn’t the first time I’ve seen deals made between the two. It’s fairly common.”
You sigh. This is something you’ll need to report to your father if you ever make it home.
An idea occurs to you then. Onthyes seems to be a good person. He doesn’t even want to be a pirate, and he seems unhappy with the corruption in the military. Maybe you could use this to your advantage.
You could tell him that your father can do something about the corruption if he helps you get home, but that would require revealing your identity, which you have kept secret so far. Also, getting Onthyes involved in your escape could get both of you in serious trouble if you’re caught.
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genuinehc · 9 months
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Something I see with some frequency in the whump community is some version of “kink blogs dni”.
And I’m left wondering… what do you think kink is in this context? What makes a whump blog a kink blog? What is the dividing line between “whumperflies” and kink?
Maybe this is driven by being an old on the internet; possessing a fairly liberal interpretation of “kink” as not being entirely (or even primarily) sexual, but rather another form of intimacy that exists alongside more standard understandings of sexuality; or otherwise being sufficiently divorced from the zeitgeist that I may never fully understand the distinction…
But I am genuinely curious and my research so far (composed of following approximately a jabillionty whump blogs and reading every scrap of meta that comes my way) has left me genuinely, profoundly confused about this distinction and why there is a distinction, as the description of whumperflies is identical, in my mind, to the kink impulse.
Frame of reference: I am ace as the day is long, but while I was still trying to figure out why normal human sexuality was not my bag (asexuality in the 90s and early 00s was not as well acknowledged as it is these days, and the availability of information was significantly more limited), I spent a lot of time in kink communities of various stripes. I’m close friends with people in 24/7 TPE relationships (and if you think that those are primarily sexual, boy howdy do I have news for you), and my father was a charter member of the Society of Janus.
So, I know kink. A lot of it isn’t my thing, even in the theoretical, but this is a subject on which I am pretty well educated by dint of family (which sounds way weirder than it was, I promise), my own curiosity, and observing and talking with close friends about their interests.
The way that whump enthusiasts talk about whump is identical to how kinky folk talk about their kinks, which is to say that it is a type of interest that transcends happy brain go BRRR and into the visceral (limbs tingling, heart pounding, gut fluttering, and yes, sometimes sexual organs doing the things that sexual organs do).
…so, do you know what the distinction is? Because I’m baffled and I’m genuinely looking for insight.
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“Again.”
Metal-crowned knuckles collided with a cheekbone, skin splitting on impact, the sudden change in pressure sending Hunter's hand throbbing throbbing throbbing, drenched in flowers and thorns alike after so many blows.
All he wanted to see was the petals, to focus on the color there, the outline, not the shining red of Sahota's face as the other man sagged in the chair, little wheezing gasps passing his lips, winces twitching in to overpower his stony face.
“Vic,” Hunter tried for what was probably the hundredth time, hating the way his voice shook in his throat. “Vic I think he's done, please, can't we be done?”
The splatter pattern had long stopped swirling, the shapes in its cyclone dropping as if dead, melting on the ground, clinging to his shoes. Hunter held his wrist, squeezing and squeezing, but no amount of pressure would drown out the flowers or the silver or the red swirling up from Sahota like blood in water. His head felt like someone had taken a hammer to it.
Vic was quiet for a long time, and Hunter wondered sickly if he was supposed to answer the question himself, if he was supposed to keep going. Wasn't this enough? Wasn't this enough proof that he could take it? He was standing, he had hurt him, he couldn't keep hurting him.
“I suppose I'd call it good enough, though I can assure you he's far from done,” Vic said at last. His voice sounded like nothing. Not a single fuck given that the guy who was supposed to be his partner and maybe even his friend was sitting half-dead and bloody in the chair. The smell of chlorine still clung to him, now with something else at its edges, stinging like rubbing alcohol. "Let's get going. He still has one more visit scheduled, mhm?"
Hunter's arms were dead weight at his sides. He couldn't move, could only just stand there, his eyes stuck on the floor. Couldn't make himself lift his gaze, not even when it landed on the specks of red scattered around the chair’s legs. That was him, he did that.
Vic wanted it.
Vic doesn't always know what's best.
A shudder ran through him as he looked up and found Vic's eyes on him, a darkness growing in his blue as he waited for Hunter to stop being such a bitch about it and follow orders.
“Hunter? Are you alright?”
I want you to come back.
Hunter choked down his own doubts, swatting at the air as if he could shake away the anxious vines that wrapped heavy around him like snakes.
Did he want to come back? If Vic… if he did this kind of shit? Hunter already knew he did, but not to his own partner, not to someone he wasn't even a stranger to, much less an enemy. Was he just gonna leave him here?
“I… I don't—”
“Come on now, he wanted this. Remember?”
Hunter didn't think he wanted this, but he gave a hesitant nod anyway, his eyes hovering at a spot just past Vic's head. Vic, on his way out, just... just leaving Sahota bleeding behind him, like it was fine, like this was fine.
It wasn't. It couldn't be. It has to be.
He was suddenly seized by the thought of saying no. Of giving Vic a big "fuck you" and turning around and cutting Sahota loose but what then? Vic would hate him and probably kick him out, and then he'd be alone again. He'd have nothing. He'd had nothing before, it wasn't a big deal, but he couldn't make himself do it. Not when obedience felt like the only real option.
Hunter moved to follow Vic out, a guilty gravity sitting in his stomach like hot stones, weighing down every step towards the door. He could hear Sahota's shaky, painful breaths behind him. In and out, in and out.
He didn't look back.
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strandedaylily · 1 month
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My Nitro commissions are open!
I am testing the waters with doing commissions, and I decided to start by doing Nitro comms. DM me for more information or for questions !!
My discord is .whumperflies for anyone interested!
Mutuals, those I follow, and those I know are free to DM me whenever, for whatever. If we are not mutuals / I do not follow you on main, please do not DM me for non-commission related reasons. Thank you.
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letstalkwhump · 11 months
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Welcome to Let’s Talk Whump, a series of interviews that spotlight the amazing people in our whump community! I’m Malice and I’ll be your host today. 
Here today to talk all things whumpy is the brilliant @whumpcereal!
It’s great to have you here! Let’s start with a fact or two about yourself  like your favorite color or favorite animal? 
My name is Kay, and I’m a high school teacher in my 30’s. Besides whumping unsuspecting gentlemen, my hobbies include reading a lot, belting out showtunes, cooking for people I love, hitting up new bars and restaurants with friends, and traveling. And since you asked–and as a teacher, I hate unanswered questions–I’ve recently realized that orange might be my favorite color, and I love gorillas. 
What does whump mean to you?
 It’s the sort of pressing-on-a-bruise feeling that is wrapped up in watching someone suffer and then be comforted. It’s the need for vulnerability and human connection. It’s watching Prince Philip get chained to a wall and not understanding why you find it so magnetic, but you do, haha! 
How did you find the whump community? What made you want to join? 
I was writing for the Newsies fandom (I know) during the pandemic, and one of my favorite authors tagged her epic work with “whump.” I clicked the tag on tumblr, and I found @lonesome--hunter’s Ezra almost immediately; I fell down the rabbit hole and never came out. After Ezra, I spent a good long time with @ashintheairlikesnow’s Danny and then @galaxywhump’s Wren. I realized that a lot of what I was putting in my own writing could be classified as “whump,” but I wasn’t sure how to join in the fun. I lurked for a while and then beta-ed for @darkthingshappen before I got brave enough to post my own stuff. But part of what motivated me to start posting was just how supportive and welcoming the whole community is. On AO3, you can get tons of hits but almost no real engagement; with whump, that’s totally different. It makes my little dopamine receptors ping. 
The whump community is amazingly supportive! Do you think your view on or the way you consume whump changed since you joined? 
 I am definitely a hurt/comfort gal. I can’t do the hurt without the comfort, and I need my whump to be strongly oriented in the characters’ feelings, whether we’re talking whumpers or whumpees. I struggle when a character is just getting the shit kicked out of them endlessly; I want them to have some relief, even if the relief is bittersweet or painful in its own way. I also find it easier to whump an OC than I do a fandom character, just because if they’re mine, I can build the kind of backstory that makes the whump reasonable. 
And your favourite whump trope?
 I do like noncon. Whump is a genre where I’ve really been able to explore scary things that have happened to me, and when a whumpee has an honest (and not needlessly gratuitous) nonconsensual experience, I gravitate toward it, especially if they’re allowed to explore the aftermath and how it makes them feel. I also love a mute whumpee–probably because I watched The Little Mermaid too many times growing up. Something about the helplessness of being trapped in your own body and at the mercy of others–hey, whumperflies! Captivity whump too, especially anything in the BBU. The BBU was one of my favorite discoveries when I found the community. It provides such rich opportunities! 
Captivity whump is so good! Would you mind sharing a favourite piece you've written? (the following pieces may contain non-explicit nsfw references)
Ooooh. Well, I guess I’ll choose one from each of my series. For Jack, my first and forever whumpee in Behavior Modification, and his caretaker, my wish-fulfillment fake husband, Joe, it’s this piece with their little girl. It’s something that I wrote in basically a single stretch one afternoon last summer, and I’m proud of it because it shows both how far Jack has come in his recovery and how much everything he’s gone through is still affecting him. It also shows how fierce of a protector Joe is, even though Jack’s got strength of his own. Plus, Hallie, their little girl, was super fun to create. She’s a feisty little thing, and I liked the idea of looking at such a dark, violent system through a child’s eyes. 
For The Kennel, it’s this piece which immediately follows my boy Will after his best friend Tommy is forced to assault him. It’s got the aftermath of noncon, plus it includes a lot of world building for my scary whumper, Doc, and his particular set-up. It really sets up the horror of the situation in which Will and Tommy have found themselves and also emphasizes the stories of other whumpees whose stories I’d love to explore (Justin and Tony, I’m looking at you). Plus, it gives Annie–who’s technically the caretaker in this story, even though she’s been abused herself–a chance to think about how she’s been raised and the way her father treats people. My favorite moment is when Will just breaks down completely, because we haven’t seen him do that yet. It’s a human moment, and he’s feeling so much less than human that it’s almost cathartic. 
And then, honorable mention to this piece where I crossover my two stories and let Jack help Will as his post-rescue counselor. I had so much fun with that reveal! 
Oh wow, I love the Kennel piece! You’ve broken my heart with Justin and Will! Would you like to share your writing routine  with us?
 I’ve actually been riding a bit of a block lately, but typically, I am an evening writer. No drinks or snacks, but usually movie scores that match the mood of what I’m writing. On good nights, it’s big blocks; on others, it’s just a sentence here and there (that’s been where I’m at lately). I try to write a little every day, but again, it’s been rough lately. Being a teacher at the end of the year is just as hard as being a student, haha. 
I can only imagine! Are some things easier for you to write? Anything you struggle with writing?
 I have an easier time writing recovery than I do straight whump, which is sometimes a bummer, because the whump community doesn’t seem to like recovery quite as much. So, I’ll pour myself into a recovery piece I have big feelings about, and then it won’t get quite as much traffic and engagement as when I’m roughing up the boys. I am very careful about how I write noncon. I think I do a decent job, but I try to approach it from a place of sensitivity to the person who is suffering versus engaging through violence alone. That can take a lot of time and thought and big feelings. 
And is there anything you're working on at the moment? 
I do have a fantasy crossover miniseries with Jack, Joe, and Ivan and @oddsconverts’ Josh and Felix that I’ve had a really fun time working on. I need to write a little intro before I post it. I need to go back to Jack and his intimacy consultations at WRU, and AU AU Joe and his reaction to the Drip. Poor Will and Tommy are in desperate need of attention; I need to get Will sold away so all the drama can increase. Maybe during summer vacation? 
Do you have a joke or pun you would like to share to spread some smiles today? I am only funny on accident. Just ask my students. ;-) 
Do you have any writing advice you’d like to share?
I’m great at giving advice to others, but absolute shit at following that advice myself. For instance, write for you. Don’t write for hits, likes, reblogs, etc. Just write what you want to read. Write as often as you can. During the pandemic, what got me back into writing after years of thinking about it was trying to write a little every day. Find you some writing friends who will get excited with you when there’s something you can’t wait to write about. 
Finally, would you like to give a mention to some of the amazing people in the whump community?
I already mentioned some of my favorites, but shout outs to @hold-him-down (whom I was lucky enough to eat very expensive risotto with this spring and whose Leo is one of my very favorite whumpees), @peachy-panic (58 Days is one of my VERY favorites), @whump-for-all-and-all-for-whump (whose Wyatt has my whole heart), and @squishablesunbeam (I mean, Jesse? Come on!). My first friends in the whump community were @darkthingshappen (creator of my Benny baby), @oddsconvert (whose series are all so beautifully written that I can’t choose a favorite–she even made me like vampire whump–and who is my wonder twin forever), and @sparrowsage (go check out his new stuff!). 
Thank you so much for joining us, @whumpcereal ! It was a pleasure to have you here! 
And to all you lovely folks at home, have a whump-derful day!
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coldresolve · 3 months
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Please engage with this anon ask in good faith. I know I'm almost repeating what another anon said but I'm giving my own opinion on this topic, and hopefully in a more concise way.
I personally think you're clashing with the whump community or being ignored by people who follow you on the torture apologia post due to a difference in how whump is seen by you and your audience.
For exemple, I don't know your instance on people who write rape erotica, stalking erotica, or kidnapping erotica. People who write this stuff to exclusively jack off are not writing it as a realistic portrayal of these topics, nor do I think they're rape, stalking or kidnapping apologists for writing the way they do. Hell, visit the yandere erotica side of Tumblr and you'll see that.
It's engaging in bad faith and not engaging with the genre properly to read this kind of writing and then accuse them of being apologists. 
Now the whump community, as someone who has been here regularly in the last few years, feels in it's majority as a non sexual torture porn community. With that I mean they write whump in the same way one would write a torture erotic scenario, except in a non sexual way. If you see how people talk about whumperflies you will see it's true. I'm not the first to point this out. 
I would say 30% of the community writes whump as a serious deep dive into torture and it's effects, 60% as a non sexual "kink" way, and 10% as actual kink. Engaging with this 60% of the community that writes almost to “jack off” in a way (and the 10% that writes it as an actual kink) and expect them to write what they do the way you, a serious thriller writer, does, it's almost like going at people who write dark, fucked up and unrealistic erotica and holding them to the same standards as realistic romance. It's just not how it works and it's engaging with the work in bad faith. 
Unless you also think the people who write that sort of fucked up erotica should also stop and only write it realistically. Then my bad, I don't agree but I hope you have a nice day and find people who agree. Because I don't think you will find them with the people you're trying to reach and you will keep getting frustrated because you're not being heard.
I don't think I will change your opinion due to you being dead set on it, but I hope you at least give it a thought instead of just saying "don't engage with my content if you don't agree" while also asking yourself why you're being ignored.
the very first sentence of your ask seems to accuse me of taking all your buddies in bad faith, and as a guy who famously can’t spot the blatant irony in a move like that, i guess i’ll just take it seriously. after all, some people are reading what i’m saying right now with the notion in the back of their heads that i might be deliberately dishonest or unreasonable, and i’ve barely even started talking yet. so thanks
it’s not that i don’t engage in good faith or aren’t willing to change my opinion if i’m presented with a genuinely better viewpoint, it’s that people who disagree with me just tend to have such shit non-arguments, so goddamn consistently, i’ve started being able to predict the bullshit before it even registers as conscious thought to them – and then they keep fucking proving me right. you included, not to muddy the waters or anything cough, payback
being kinda mean about it is not the same as misconstruing someone’s position, for the record. so with that in mind, here’s 2100 words of, genuinely, good faith arguments mixed with the occasional jabs of a guy who refuses to infantilize people over how little they’ve thought things through. 
i know i literally just insulted your intelligence - which was in response to you sewing doubt about my credibility, idk if i mentioned that part – sarcasm aside though, the bar is genuinely set so low here, and you are one of the few people who seem to at least know how to construct something that looks like a proper criticism. your formatting is terrible, please don't do 3 paragraph breaks in a row all the time. it's got some structure issues, you repeat yourself a bit, and go on tangents that aren’t quite connected to anything, but, with that said, all the necessary elements of an argument are in there. credit where its due, and all that
to prove to you that i’m responding to you in good faith, im gonna start out by giving you the strongest interpretation of the core of your argument as i can, in my own words, so you know exactly what i’m responding to. you called your version concise, prepare for something concise-r. and let me know if i misunderstood anything.
by criticizing whump writing for the use of torture apologia, i am ignoring the conventions (aka the set expectations between writer and reader) set by whump as a genre.
a core convention of whump as a genre is that it is not meant to reflect reality.
therefore, my criticism of whump writing is not applicable.
the rape kink subgenre of erotica features rape apologism. (i know you mentioned a bunch but let's just stick to the rape kink for the sake of brevity)
a core convention of the rape kink subgenre is that it is not meant to reflect reality.
since i criticise the whump community for torture apologia under the same premises, i must also be critical of rape kink content.
now for the acknowledgement of common ground: i agree with points 4 and 5.
moving on. i’m gonna start upfront by addressing a part of your ask that i didn’t mention above, which is the similarity you drew between the physical response to reading whump (“whumperflies”) and the physical response to reading kink (sexual pleasure). not to burst your bubble right off the gate, but the reason i didn’t include it as part of your argument is that it literally means nothing. any genre of fiction can do this. music does it. eating tasty food does it. a roller coaster ride does it. having sex does it. i don’t know why people treat this like some kind of valid argument in and of itself, what you’re describing here is the release of endorphins. this is enjoying things 101, welcome to the human experience, it’s not all bad.
on to my response to your actual argument, which is where things take a turn: i don’t believe that “whump” can be classified as a genre.
the following fucking 1000 words - no im not kidding, im on good faith behavior here - are fundamentally tedious. it goes into some literary theory and some longwinded explanations as to why i hold this opinion, and also lays out my views on the rape kink stuff. skip to the red part for my conclusions if you’re not interested in the nitty gritty.
the term “genre” is hard to pin down, and you’ll find different definitions of it online. i think you, anon, would agree that a core part of a genre is that it’s a category of media that has specific socially developed conventions, which is another way to say that writers expect their readers to approach their work in certain ways, and readers in turn expect the work itself to feature certain components. for the latter, this can mean things like tone/mood, subject matter, motifs, composition, conflict type, writing style, or what have you. a genre is defined by the many different expectations, or conventions, that we have for it. convention is a fancy word for "an agreement about how this thing is usually done".
let’s take mystery fiction as an illustrative example, because the mystery genre is pretty straightforward. a mystery writer expects the following things in their reader: curiosity and a desire to know more, attentiveness, a willingness to ask questions, and to be skeptical of the information that is given. in turn, the reader expects certain things from mystery fiction, especially the following sequence: an event occurs, the protagonist wants to find out whodunit, the mystery is unraveled little by little as the protagonist looks for clues and gathers evidence, until it is finally solved with a big reveal in the climax of the story. the central driving factor within every mystery is the protagonist’s aim to find out what happened and why. this is inherent to mystery fiction. you cannot write mystery without it.
this is just to give you a solid grasp of what these conventions usually look like. now, uh. i’m sex repulsed, so please excuse my lack of familiarity with this next bit.
the genre of erotica has the following conventions: something sexy is gonna happen, and i think that sums it up. the most important expectations tied to erotica, i would argue, are actually held by the author, towards the reader. being fully aware that the sexiness of things is exaggerated for the sake of atmosphere, erotica authors expect their readers to understand that their work might not always reflect what reality will be like, and that it serves the sole purpose of a sexual fantasy. in the case of kink/fetish content surrounding rape, this expectation increases exponentially – so much so, that just to be absolutely sure everybody’s on the same page, a lot of these writers go out of their way to remind their readers out-of-text, all the goddamn time, plastering disclaimers all the fuck over their writing and bios, that their writing does not reflect reality, that no, your typical rape victim isn't secretly into it, that consent is always mandatory, etc.
it is my strongly held passionate belief that this is ok lol. erotica is not for me but i have nothing against people with rape kinks, like you're implying. it’s about the very, very strong nature of the conventions associated with this genre of content, which is evidenced most clearly by the many serious discussions about rape and rape apologism that happen out-of-text in these communities, that makes me pretty confident that they’re fully aware that they’re engaging in fantasy. just so we’re clear on that.
while we’re on that topic: no such discussions happen in the whump community in regards to real life torture or torture apologia, at least i’ve never seen it happen. and i find it more than a little bit sussy that ive gotten this many asks over the last few days asking me if brainwashing is real or not. this staggering lack of awareness about what torture can and can't do should be concerning to people, but for some reason, it is not. your overall approach to the subject of torture hasn't given me the impression that you guys can tell fact from fiction, that you are even aware of where reality ends and where the fantasy begins. but i digress.
you can see solid proof that whump is not a “genre” just by going through the community tags here on tumblr. the genres that people use and engage with through fandom here vary from superhero movies to medical dramas, historical fiction, action thrillers, horror, musicals, anime, fantasy, etc. the list goes on and on. and i get that genres can overlap, and that you want to counter right now that someone writing “fantasy whump” is a combination of two genres, but… then there’s all those gif blogs. and what do we do about those? this type of fandom whump doesn’t create content in this one unifying “whump genre” – it pulls content from a wide breadth of genres and staples that same exact label on it, whump.
here's what that means: emotional or physical distress.
that’s not a genre. it’s a subject matter.
and it includes all the so-called “subgenres” too, by the way, from the hurt/comfort (drama, action, often romance) to pure torture porn (thriller/suspense/horror) to more in-depth explorations of trauma and recovery (psychological realism) to pet whump (ffffucking magical realism) to sickfics (drama, medical drama, often romance). the expectations you have as a writer and as a reader, the socially determined conventions, are fundamentally inconsistent among all of these different genres. its why you guys kept fighting – im assuming you still do, its been a while since i checked – over what the fuck “whump” even means.
if you as a reader approach a recovery arc in the same way you do the torture porn, both of which are whump, you’re going to get bored very quickly, because your expectations and the expectations set by the author are incompatible. you're expecting something quick-paced and intense, something extreme and graphic. instead you're met with a much slower pace, a subtler form of character exploration. the dialogue is more subdued. the writing style is different. the scene structure is different, the story beats are different. there’s an attention to inner conflict, to symbolism and metaphor, to long sequences of dialogues and silences between characters which just aren’t there in the torture porn. the tonal shift alone should give it away easily. this is because these two things come from different genres. the subject matter - emotional or physical distress - is the only common thread here.
homicide is a subject matter, and how it is portrayed and explored depends on the genre it inhabits. a homicide in mystery fiction sets up a mystery, some puzzle to solve. homicide in slashers is extreme and gory, over-the-top, served for shock value. homicide in psychological fiction isn’t sensationalized in the same way – it’s grim, somber, something you have to think about. depictions of homicide in comedy or parodies tend to serve as gallows humor. in action – well, those are the bad guys, they fall over, and that’s about that.
homicide as a subject matter serves vastly different purposes across genres, and because of that, it can't set up any expectations in the reader, other than the somebody-gets-murdered part. it doesn't have a convention as to how it will be presented or portrayed, what the mood is going to be, which part of it you're supposed to be paying attention to as an audience member. subject matters have no conventions. they are just "the thing you are portraying."
and this is also true for emotional or physical distress. your only expectation is this: someone feels emotional or physical distress. that's about all you're gonna know about a work from reading the word whump alone - the rest comes from the genre it inhabits. whump itself is just not a literary genre.
the first point of your argument hinges on the idea that whump follows a specific set of social conventions. i disagree with that, for the reasons i hope ive managed to lay out well here. whump has no conventions, because it is not a genre.
and if you think im wrong about this – plot twist, that doesn’t even actually matter. i made you read all of this shit for nothing. this was all just an excuse for me to trick you all into my needless literary theory nerd shit, get got
see, the second point of your argument hinges on the idea that a fundamental convention set by whump as a “genre” is that it is not meant to reflect reality. but you provided me with an interesting statistic, and while i recognize that you literally just pulled it out of your own ass as a way to give yourself a vague air of empiricism, i just want you to keep in mind that you yourself brought this up. 
I would say 30% of the whump community writes whump as a serious deep dive into torture and it's effects, ...
do you see why i think people keep accidentally proving me right? this “serious deep dive into torture and its effects” by a staggering third of whump writers, according to you, sounds an awful lot like they are aiming for realism – something that should not be possible within the conventions of this “genre”. what the fuck, huh.
i’m just guessing here, so take this whole paragraph with a grain of salt, but this reads to me like someone who made that convention absolutely the fuck up as a last minute resort to absolve themself from the criticism of apologia, specifically, because they saw this convention work for rape erotica. which is why y’all bring that particular subgenre up so much in this discussion. but because you don’t actually view this “it’s not meant to reflect reality” convention as fundamental to whump in any capacity, in the same way it is with rape erotica, well. it just slips out, yknow.
not to mention that thing i said about you guys not even being able to distinguish fact from fiction in regards to torture, regardless of the many, many posts yall make about "realism in whump" - which also kinda dulls your point. but whatever anon, you made my argument better than i could’ve
your third point hinged on the validity of the first two, which i’d like to think i’ve demonstrated, in good faith, at the very least are based on questionable premises - one by me, and one by yourself. the sixth point is null and void for the same reasons.
alas, i have to conclude that your writing is not absolved of my criticism quite yet. A for effort tho. at least i had fun with it
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I finally got around to making an "about me" pinned post
Hi! You can call me Violet. (It's not my real name, but it's a pseudonym I've used for years. I also used to go by Prism online, so you're welcome to call me that too.)
Age-wise, I'm a college student. So not a minor, but I may mention classes or homework.
[I have a whump sideblog: violets-whumperflies. Follows and likes for that come from this account.]
Tags to help you navigate my blog: #my art and #my writing #hope - things that make me, and hopefully you, feel a little better about the world #rambling violet - things that are about my life rather than fandom or cool information
My current fandoms: Good Omens Nimona The Owl House and some older ones where the hyperfixation reignites sometimes: Avatar: the Last Airbender, The Adventure Zone, Six of Crows, more that aren't tagged consistently.
Here's some of my other interests that I post about! Language & linguistics (I'm minoring in French!) History Nature Disability Queerness Poetry (and posts that I consider poetic) And some things that I am: ace lesbian, Jewish, autistic, ADHD
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whumptea · 2 years
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there’s something about whumper letting whumpee out of the basement/cell/room they’re trapped in to give them a bath that just gives me the biggest whumperflies.
do they drag them by their hair to the bathroom? do they live their limbs bound? are they blindfolded so they don’t see the interior of the place they’re being kept in? or are they completely free to follow behind their captor and silently plan their escape in their head, marking every exit and door and window available?
when they reach the bathroom, does whumper give them privacy or do they make the whumpee wash themselves in front of them? does the whumper do it? do they laugh at how whumpee leans into their touch, desperate for any kind of soft, human contact? there are so many possibilities.
in conclusion, give your whumpees a bath.
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whumpster-dumpster · 1 year
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So I'm obscenely late to the whump awakening thing, and I can see that several people have referenced Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in some form, but no mention of the original 1990 movie? I swear that film is a core memory for me and my OG experience of whumperflies.
For those who missed it, Raphael gets ambushed, horribly beaten up and chucked through a ceiling, and what follows is everything I adore in whump: Caretakers having to fight to get his unconscious ass out (with that wonderful line of "Is he...?" "No, he's alive; barely." 🤌) Then the escape with his limp body in tow, an extended period of unconsciousness where no-one really knows what to to besides wait and hope, and everyone's worrying in their own way, and then there's one caretaker who just refuses to leave his side for days, and it's all just so damn delicious!! 🥰🥰🥰
Delicious it surely is! That was an early whump experience for me too, I was pleased that later series would do scenes in that similar vein (although usually to Leo)! Good stuff, good stuff
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Calling all whump writers! The Whumpy Printing Press is looking for stories for its third anthology, to be published in paperback and ebook formats in 2024.  
Theme: Lab whump. For this anthology, we’re looking for whumpy stories that involve a laboratory. Maybe your whumpee is a lab rat. Maybe they’re on the run from the ethically questionable organization that has been holding them prisoner. Maybe the whumpee has finally flipped the script on their whumper. As long as a lab is incorporated into the story in some way, it counts!
We take a broad view of whump- it can be physical or emotional. Your stories can be hurt no comfort or comfort no hurt, just as long as they touch on whump in some way.  
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For this anthology, we are looking for stories in the following categories:
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Each novella will be published in both ebook and print format, and at the end of the year all 12 novellas will be published as an anthology. 
Novellas must be between 17,500 and 30,000 words. Your story should clearly fall into the whump genre (i.e. a character needs to be hurt). We’re looking for strong stories with a balance between whump and plot. We are especially fond of sci-fi/fantasy settings, but will consider any story as long as it gives us whumperflies!   
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kabie-whump · 26 days
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CYOA Whump Part 12
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You chose: Make friends with the crew. Try to get them on my side.
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After almost a full day of resting, you're forced to follow Onthyes as he goes to get food. You still aren't sure how this whole being handcuffed together thing is supposed to work. Is he going to sleep on your floor tonight? Or will he take off the cuff and lock you in your room when its time to sleep?
You follow a few paces behind him as he gets food and rum for both of you and then heads up onto the deck where most of the crew has gathered to eat. Climbing the ladder is awkward with your bound hands but with a little help from Onthyes you manage it without falling.
"Onthyes! Over here!"
You find the source of the voice easily, a hulking dragonborn woman with greenish scales. She's sitting with some others: a red-haired halfling woman and human man with a mouthful of silver teeth that glint in the moonlight as he tears into a chunk of salted pork.
You and Onthyes join them, sitting on some crates. You notice that this group seems somewhat cut off from the rest of the crew, almost purposefully excluded from the roaring jokes and taunts that are being passed around. Misfits amongst misfits. You feel pretty confident you can gain their favor.
"Damn," the halfling woman chuckles. "Tin told me you got yourself shackled to the prisoner. Didn't realize she meant it literally."
"My name is Ventis," you say, extending your bound hands awkwardly to shake hers.
"Hildris." She stretches to reach you and shakes both of your hands with both of hers. "These two are Golkulildyth the Mighty and John."
"Pleasure."
Onthyes puts some food in your hands. You set it down in your lap and instead reach out for the bottle of rum he'd grabbed for you, and he passes it over.
As soon as you set your food down it's snatched from your lap. A man stands over you, his long brown hair tied back in intracite knots. He grins, taking a big bite and chewing with his mouth open. "You weren't gonna eat this, were you, freak?"
The others sitting around you have gone quiet, pertending to be interested in anything other than what's going on with you. They're either terrified of this guy, or they aren't willing to risk their necks to help a captive.
"Actually-"
"Good. Thanks for sharing."
He starts to turn his back, your dinner still in his hands.
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whumpalicious08 · 3 months
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Hey, so your posts have been drifting onto my feed via some people I'm following and left me curious. Would you please give some context as to what "whump" is?
Thank you in advance
Hello! I suppose it must be ... strange to see whump posts without the appropriate whump context. I got you, don't worry.
I'd define Whump as a more extreme and specialised sub-genre of hurt/comfort writing. A "Whumpee" is the one having pain inflicted onto them, and a "Whumper" is the one doing the inflicting. A "caretaker" is what it sounds like; a character who (usually) assists the Whumpee.
The pain can be physical, emotional, sexual; it depends on the writer's preferred whump style. For example, my blog is predominated by Hired Gun!Whumpees.
But whump is a lot more than an individual's definition. Usually a lot of writers have been consuming whump in media from a young age, without even realising.
My first experience was with an episode of BBC's Merlin, where the MC is threatened with torture. My most memorable experience was with Gale from that one whipping scene in Catching Fire.
I remember feeling a sort of nervous anticipation in my stomach, something the community has termed "whumperflies". I still get them when I write and read today, and so do many whump writers.
I'm yapping a lot just in case you think you may be one of us. Because I want to tell you something that nobody really told me when I was starting out.
It's okay to like whump. It's not sadistic, or inhumane.
Whump writing acknowledges pain and hardship. This acknowledgement is invaluable. When Whumpee hurts, I hurt, and so do hundreds of readers along with us.
That's what whump is about for me. A community's acknowledgement that you're struggling, and the freedom to personify your troubles in Whumper.
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whumpily-ever-after · 2 years
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Be Reborn Whumplist
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Be Reborn is a 2022 Chinese thriller, mystery, crime, drama.
(From MDL) "While investigating an ancient painting that has been stolen, Luo Jian who heads the criminal investigation team crosses paths with genius university student Zhuang Wenjie who is from a family of thieves. The unlikely pair work together to crack the case."
This is one of my favorite whumpy shows. It gave me whumperflies. The whumpee gets kidnapped three times in this show. It is very much my type of whump. I hope you all enjoy it as much as I did.
You can watch it on Youku's YouTube channel.
Spoilers ahead...
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Whumpee: Zhuang Wenjei played by Wang Junkai
Episode 1: Manhandled, accused of art theft, discovers someone had broken into his apartment, comes home to people waiting for him
Episode 2: Encounters strangers in his home, scared, loved one threatened, coerced into helping the “bad guys”, set up, followed, (kind of) kidnapped, blindfolded, concern for him
Episode 3: Forced to act as a middleman, blindfolded, pushed against a wall, arm across his chest, knife to his throat, threatened, blindfolded
Episode 4: Blindfolded, concern for him, coerced into helping the “bad guys” again, forced to zipline from one skyscraper to another, gets stuck between the two buildings, struggles to pull himself across
Episode 5: Lightly manhandled, tasered, falls to the ground, unable to move, revenge taken against him for the actions of his (deceased) father, locked in a vault, vault vacuum pump turned on, drags himself across the floor, attempts to stand, struggling to breathe, pushes himself up, falls back down, electrocutes himself, passes out, rescued, on hospital bed, oxygen mask
Episode 6: In the hospital, “bad guy” says he is the only person he will talk to, snaps, manhandled, coughing, breathing heavy, returns to the hospital, holding his head in pain, coerced again, sleeping, cop sent to keep an eye on him
Episode 7: Still in the hospital, sneaks out of the hospital, police suspect him
Episode 8: Still in the hospital, police still suspect him, no actual whump in this episode
Episode 9: Sneaks out of the hospital, gets in a fight, kicked in the stomach, slams into lockers, pushed to the floor, thrown into a pool, racing to make it back to the hospital before the cops
Episode 10: Racing to get back to his hospital room, nurses concerned about his increased blood pressure and heart rate
Episode 11: Chases a culprit, used as a human shield, broken rebar held to his throat, dragged backward, warned against looking for answers, pushed away
Episode 12: (Replay of human shield and broken rebar at his throat), holding onto someone who jumped from a building, hanging over the edge, police holding onto him, pulled to safety, unable to save the person, in shock, put in a police car, questioned by the police
Episode 13 *suicide warning*: Feels guilty, flashback to rebar at his throat and warned about ending up like his father, concerned for a friend, witnesses a friend’s suicide
Episode 14: Caught involving himself in a police case, tries to open up to a police officer he looks up to but is unable to
Episode 15: Yelled at, upset that the police don’t trust him, another police officer is suspicious of him
Episode 16: Knife pointed at his back, tailed by the police, friends are threatened, manhandled, kidnapped, other cop believes he is working with the thieves, forced into a van, a bag placed over his head, bound to a chair with zip ties, a bag placed over his head again, locked in a room, concern for him, knocks the chair he is tied to over, frees his hands
Episode 17: Still kidnapped, escapes, spotted during his escape, chased, a stranger helps him get away, turns himself in to the police, other police officer still distrusts him
Episode 18: Learns about what happened to his father, discovers who was responsible for his mother’s death, upset
Episode 19: Learns that a person helping him sold out his father in the past
Episode 20: Suspected by the police again, upset, chased
Episode 21: Worried
Episode 22: None
Episode 23: People concerned about his safety
Episode 24: Grabbed by the neck, pushed into a post, betrays his cop, police searching for him, betrayed, hit on the back of the head, falls to the floor, disoriented, locked in the trunk of a car, gagged, hands and feet bound with tape, car sent into a river, struggling against his bonds
Episode 25: Still trapped in the trunk of a car, concern for him, trunk filling with water, scared, struggling against his bonds, drowning, pulled from the car, given CPR, wakes up in the hospital, in an interrogation room, handcuffed to the table, questioned by the police, ashamed, breathing heavily, falls over, back in the hospital
Episode 26: None
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painsandconfusion · 1 year
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Bleeder
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You panic, pushing at her ankle to try to get her off of you as your eyes desperately follow Harrison into the other room.
There's a scraping sound. Metal? Creaking.
Heartbeat franticly slamming against her weight on you, you finally blurt out, "Wh-what do you want with me!?"
Celine's eyes fall back to you. "I want you to shut up like a good little bleeder, that's what I want."
She reaches down, giving you a kick to the side before grabbing your hair and dragging you toward the other room where the scraping has stopped.
You thrash against her, but are forced to continue to follow on your hands and knees lest you be dragged.
At the doorway, you can see into the room. It's still cinder block lined, but there's a few thick wooden doors lining the walls. Too close to be real rooms - more like cells.
There's a metal table in the middle of the room now, straps where the arms, feet, head, and waist would go.
Harrison is locking the wheels of the table into place.
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