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nordleuchten · 1 year

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Hey there! :) Do you happen to know what was Lafayette's opinion on Robespierre as a person and/or as a member of the National Assembly? Did he left any declaration in his memoirs? As far as I know, their different political views led them sometimes into arguments and slanders.

Have a nice day!

Dear @faxelange,

in short, they were not on the best of terms – not at all. The disfavour was mutual as neither Robespierre liked La Fayette nor did La Fayette liked Robespierre.

Despite this, there is not nearly as much commentary on Robespierre in La Fayette’s letters and Memoirs as one might expect. The references that are made are mostly general statements about Robespierre and not specific about their relationship. Generally speaking, La Fayette wrote in his Memoirs about what he thought valuable for his readers and important to mention. I think he judged his disagreements with Robespierre and Robespierre in general, at the point of him writing his Memoirs (1830s), as simply no longer important. It would be easier to give a detailed description of Robespierre’s opinion of La Fayette than the other way around since we have many statements by Robespierre.

The relationship between Robespierre and La Fayette was during the first years of the Revolution civil, or better, nonexistent. Things changed when La Fayette wrote on June 16, 1791 a lengthy letter to the Legislative Assembly, criticizing political groups as a potential thread to the constitution and the stability of France – the jacobins were here his primary target.

Although he railed against factionalism of all varieties, the Jacobins were his primary target. “Organized like a separate empire … blindly controlled by a few ambitious leaders,” the Jacobins were, as he put it, a “sect,” a “distinct corporation in the middle of the French people, whose powers they usurp by subjugating their representatives.” Read into the record two days later and republished in newspapers of every political stripe, the letter generated heated debate.

Laura Auricchio, The Marquis – Lafayette Reconsidered, Vintage Books, New York, 2015, p. 258.

Two days later during a meeting of the jacobins, Robespierre stated:

Strike down Lafayette and the nation is saved.

Laura Auricchio, The Marquis – Lafayette Reconsidered, Vintage Books, New York, 2015, p. 259.

Things went downhill rather quickly after that.

In La Fayette memoirs there are two mentioning’s of Robespierre, both are rather indirect, as they detail public attacks of La Fayette’s character that Robespierre had some connection with.

It would occupy too much space to detail all the hostilities of the anarchists against Lafayette; their defamations in the Patriot and the Chronicle were pushed to the most insane excess. Robespierre attacked him at the jacobins, first requiring that he should not be called upon to prove what he advanced. The club itself formally denounced him at the bar of the assembly, by the mouth of Collot d’Herbois. Some members of this faction alleged as proofs of his criminality certain letters, which, when read, were received with patriotic applause.

Marquis de La Fayette, Memoirs, Correspondences and Manuscripts of General Lafayette, Vol. 3, Craighead and Allen, New York, 1837, pp. 336-337.

We can see very clearly in this passage that La Fayette’s problem was not with Robespierre alone and while this excerpt gives seemingly more insight into Robespierre’s opinion of La Fayette, the way the event is retold also tells us a lot about La Fayette’s opinion.

The second part is from a letter that La Fayette wrote his wife Adrienne on April 18, 1792:

Parties are at present divided in this manner [the question of war]. Robespierre, Danton, Desmoulins, &c., &c., form the jacobin sink. These puppets are moved behind the scene, and serve the court by disorganizing all things, by exclaiming that we are beaten without resource and by attacking Lafayette, “who has deceived, they say, the people and the court, guided the conduct of the far less culpable M. de Bouillé, and who is more dangerous himself than the aristocracy.” (…) The other party, called the high jacobins, and which supports the present ministry, is composed of Bordelais, the abbé Sièyes, Condorcet, Roederer, &c. These men hate and fear Robespierre, but dare not render themselves unpopular.

Marquis de La Fayette, Memoirs, Correspondences and Manuscripts of General Lafayette, Vol. 3, Craighead and Allen, New York, 1837, pp. 411-412.

Again, La Fayette was not only in disagreement with Robespierre. Today Robespierre is often presented as the one and only embodiment of the Jacobins but there were many more and yes, Robespierre was certainly even back then a prominent and influential member, but La Fayette’s disagreements were with the jacobins as a whole as much as with Robespierre personally.

Perhaps it is easier to dissect La Fayette’s opinion based on what he did not thought about Robespierre. In the letter to his wife that is already quoted above, La Fayette also wrote:

Such is my situation: I belong, as I wrote before to you, to no party except to that of the French nation; but my friends and I will serve whoever will do good, defend liberty and equality, and maintain the constitution by repulsing everything tending to render it aristocratic or republican; and when the national will, expressed by the representatives chosen by nation and by the king, shall tell us that war is inevitable, I will do all that lies in my power to promote its success.

Marquis de La Fayette, Memoirs, Correspondences and Manuscripts of General Lafayette, Vol. 3, Craighead and Allen, New York, 1837, p. 413.

These were the things that La Fayette supported and believed in, this was his agenda. In not agreeing with Robespierre, we can assume that La Fayette felt as if Robespierre did not meet his principles. Another point is raised in this statement:

(…) by repulsing everything tending to render it aristocratic or republican (…).

Robespierre was without a question on the republican side.

This was all quite political but since La Fayette saw political opinions as the expression of underlaying principles, a political disagreement was often, not always though, also a personal disagreement, although things did not usually escalate like they did with Robespierre.

I hope this cleared things up a bit and I hope you have/had a lovely day!

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isthenapoleoncute · 11 months

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How about this fancy Napoleon?🤔

Rating: Cute, but on thin fucking ice.

This Napoleon looks happy and healthy, but it's clear that it's exhibiting signs of unethical bishi-style breeding. Always make sure that you get your Napoleons from ethical breeders who care more for the creature's health than for aesthetics!

#is the napoleon cute?#napoleon #ask #faxelange

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isthesjcute · 11 months

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Can you fix the broken? Can you feel my heart???

Oh, it appears that you have come across a designer Saint-Just. While their appearance may catch the eye, it's important to note that breeding Saint-Just solely for aesthetics raises ethical concerns. Unfortunately, such breeding practices can lead to unexpected behavioral issues, such as duckface and shoulder-demon behavior, which are uncommon in ethically bred Saint-Justs.

Verdict: If we were to rate them solely based on their appearance, I would have to rate them as (kind of) cute. However, due to the ethical implications, it would be fair to categorize this Saint-Just as not cute overall. It's important to prioritize ethical breeding practices that promote the well-being and natural traits of the species.

#faxelange #frev memes #isthesjcute

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aedesluminis · 9 months

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I changed username and updated my description ^^ From this day onward I'll go by @aedesluminis.

My previous username was faxelange.

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quia-nominor--leo · 11 months

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9 People You'd Like To Know Better

Tagged by @on-a-lucky-tide (❤️)

Last Song: Immigraniada by Gogol Bordello.

Currently Reading: Saint-Just Colleague of Robespierre by E.N. Curtis because I managed to score a physical copy and I’m so happy. So far enjoying it, although it tends to make very generalised sweeping statements about the French Revolutionary Government.

Currently Watching: I finished Succession last week and it broke me so much that I’ve done nothing but re-watch Arrested Development on repeat for the comfort (also for Will Arnett).

Currently Obsessed With: Connor Roy, Vernon Roche, sun and moon character imagery, loyalty to the point of self-destruction in both fictional characters and real people, Mozart chocolate, how late the sun sets in Vienna in summer, and making fun of long-dead historical figures on discord.

I’m tagging: @the-butch-of-blaviken and all the frev friends who were there for the Herault incident @orpheusmori @faxelange @ans-treasurebox @lanterne @crypticemerald (hopefully I’m not forgetting anyone since my brain is a sieve!)

#misc #quiaposts

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white-rhythmic · 4 years

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- Tu carácter... tus encantos, todo lo que te pertenece... No se deja nunca de amar cuando es a ti a la que se adora...

Los crimenes del amor, Marqués de Sade - Faxelange o los errores de la ambición

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nem0c · 5 years

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Do you think that there is anything to choose between the gambler who holds the bank and robs you in the Palais Royal and the Ripper who orders you to hand over your wallet in the Bois de Boulogne? They are one and the same, Madame, the only real difference between them being that the banker steals your money like a coward and the highwayman robs you like a man of courage.

D. A. F. de Sade, Faxelange, or the Faults of Ambition

#sade #crimes of passion #this short tale reads like a prototype of the bandits in justine

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chasingchaucer · 6 years

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We are ruled by habit, Madame, there is nothing we cannot get used to.

“Faxelange” by Marquis de Sade

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danzanpalabras · 9 years

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que los fuegos en que ardían ambos se consumirían en suspiros.

Faxelange, Marqués de Sade.

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isthenapoleoncute · 1 year

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You write very informative posts on how to properly take care of Napoleons, but where can I actually get one? They are such lively and cute creatures :>

Thank you so much!

In general, I don't think Napoleons should be sold in store. They are a very exotic creature and can be a danger to local ecosystems if they escape. However, sometimes when they are injured or defeated they will be bold enough to even ask their most powerful, most constant, and generous predators for assistance!

If you want a Napoleon, I highly recommend you chic out a naval ship and call it something cheeky like the Bellerophon. Then, if you're lucky, a Napoleon may come like a Themistocles and throw itself upon your hospitality, or at the very least that of your people.

At that point, you can do whatever you'd like with him.

Hopefully you'll take him to a nice place where he can have many enrichment activities and be able to socialize with many friends!

#napoleon #faxelange #ask

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isthenapoleoncute · 11 months

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What do you think of this young Napoleon? I don't think he's healthy, it seems like he's held captive in some sort of dark prison, clearly not suited for him :<

Rating: Not Cute!

Like you said, this Napoleon has an enclosure much too small for him! I think this one may have gotten involved with some wild Jacobins, who sometimes pull Napoleons down with them when they fall.

#faxelange #ask

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nordleuchten · 11 months

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I read on the Italian Wikipedia page about Lafayette that in order to boost his personality, he paid numerous people to praise and applaud him when he walked through the streets of Paris. Is there any truth that? I couldn't find any source to support this bizarre claim.

Dear @faxelange,

I am back from vacation, and I finally have the time to answer your question! :-)

I love taking a peak at Wikipedia articles in different languages - you always find something new and interesting. Now, you are referring to this statement in the Italian version of La Fayette’s Wikipedia article:

Contributori di Wikipedia, "Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette", Wikipedia, L'enciclopedia libera, //it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gilbert_du_Motier_de_La_Fayette&oldid=134507433 (in data 22 luglio 2023).

My Italian is not what it could be, but to my understanding, the article states this behavior of La Fayette’s not as a definitive fact but as something reported by several journalists of the day. I ran the statement through an online translator to be sure and it agrees with me:

In 1785, for example, having returned to France eager for glory and power - according to sources hostile to him (such as the journalist Jean-Paul Marat) - he devoted himself to the cult of his personality, spending a fortune to keep in his service a conspicuous number of people, the so-called “mouchards of La Fayette,” charged with applauding and praising him as he passed through the streets. In this way his popularity soared.

The general rule of thumb here is, be weary of everything that Marat reported about La Fayette (and vice versa) - the two of them were no friends. The article cites Un journal dans la Révolution: “L’ ami du Peuple” as its source.

You find references to such “mouchards” in other sources, but they are always treated as gossip that had been spread about La Fayette. I am not aware of any mentioning he himself made in his papers, but such an action was also not his style. Besides, it was not like La Fayette needed to resort to such measures at this time in his life.

I hope this helped and I hope you have/had a lovely day!

#ask me anything #faxelange #marquis de lafayette #la fayette #jean paul marat #french history #history #french revolution #1785

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nordleuchten · 1 year

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Hi!First of all, I'm glad I have found your page: Lafayette is one of my favourite historical characters and following a so well organized blog like yours really satifies my hunger for knowledge about him.I wanted to ask you whether you could enlighten me about what happened during the Camp de Mars massacre.I've read somewhere,he explicitly ordered his men to attack the civilians.Other sources claim, a soldier was wounded by the people and so the troops started shooting. What happened exaclty?

Dear @faxelange,

first of all; thank you so much for your kind words, such comments truly make my day. :-)

What happened exactly during the Champ de Mars massacre? Well, nobody can say for certain. I have written a long post here (that I have to edit one fine day sincere there is one sentence that is less critical than intended), trying to present the viewpoints of both sides, but there is very little that can be said with absolute certainty.

In short, we do not exactly know what really happened that day but even if we assume the absolute “best” scenario, La Fayette still stands as a weak leader who had no control about his armed guard and could not prevent the death of innocent people. What we do know is that the National Guard under La Fayette’s command fired at the crowd, and that people were wounded and killed. I can not imagine La Fayette giving the command in cold blood to kill the people in assembly – but I can imagine that La Fayette, fearing for his man, the life of the present officials and for his own life, gave a rash command in the heat of the moment, a command that he had not thought through and that he later regretted. In his first official statements, La Fayette his relatively vague what his exact orders were and as the years passed, his statements did not exactly become clearer – a fact that did not help the matter at all.

I know that this is a bit of an unsatisfying answer, but I hope you can still make some use of it. I hope you have/had a wonderful day!

#ask me anything #faxelange #<3 #marquis de lafayette #la fayette #french history #american history #french revolution #champ de mars #1791

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isthesjcute · 9 months

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Oh my! Not only is this Saint-Just cute, but it's undeniably the cutest! However, to ensure your Saint-Just thrives, it's essential for his friends to remain in good health and well-being. Taking the initiative to ensure his friends receive the care they deserve could be a wise move. Additionally, involving your Saint-Just in this endeavor, having him lend a helpful hand, would likely bring him immense joy. Your Saint-Just will undoubtedly feel relieved and delighted to demonstrate his affections through such meaningful actions.

Verdict: This Saint-Just is cute!

#faxelange #isthesjcute

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nordleuchten · 1 year

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3. What's your favourite genre?

8. What is the first book you remember reading yourself?

Have a nice day ♥

Thank you for the ask, dear @faxelange. :-)

2. What's your favourite genre?

I do not really have a favourite genre to be honest. If a book is “good” I like it regardless of the genre. I tend to gravitate towards stories that are in a historic setting, dystopian books, or books that are tragic and dark. I love crime and horror, but I also have the highest expectations here. These books need to be really, really dark, and there has to be some great mystery or conspiracy that the protagonists need to uncover. Lastly, although it is not strictly a genre, I like what is labeled as “the Classics” – probably something that made my time in school a lot easier for me.

8. What is the first book you remember reading yourself?

This one:

I was gifted the first volume of My Secret Unicorn/Sternenschweif at some sort of family event/birthday/anniversary and I was at an age where people still mostly read to me, but everybody was busy and I was soooo intrigued by this book that I started reading by myself.

#ask me anything #faxelange #ask game #personal #books #reading #sternenschweif #my secret unicorn

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nordleuchten · 9 months

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I was tagged by @kaxen (thank you very much :-)) some time ago and finally came around answering this.

Rules: seven comfort films, seven people.

Master and Commander (2003)

2. The Scarlet Pimpernel (1982)

3. Dead Poets Society (1989)

4. Star Wars (mainly the original trilogy)

5. Little Lord Fauntleroy (1980)

6. The Young Mr. Pitt (1942)

7. 10th anniversary recording of Les Misérables (1995)

I am tagging @ouiouixmonami, @josefavomjaaga, @acrossthewavesoftime, @joachimnapoleon, @major-pierre-lenfant, @faxelange and @i-like-old-things (but no pressure of course!)

#tagged #tag game #kaxen #movies #personal

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