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adamwarlock · 1 year
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HALF BROTHERS??????? So Mentor exists but how are they blood related at all considering what we know about how Eternals are made in the mcu. Is Thanos' mother a Deviant? Do they have mothers ??? I know I'm the only person in the world who cares about Sui-San but this is making me wanna die.
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Love your fics! Wanted to know your opinion about AXE now that it's finished :>
Oh boy oh boy! Thank you for asking! I loved AXE so much. It was definitely the best story I've ever read about what would happen if your house acquired sentience and hated you and decided to destroy the world.
Seriously, though -- I really loved AXE Judgment Day. I have a half-finished post where I was attempting to summarize the complete event with all the tie-ins and I should probably… finish reading all the tie-ins and finish writing that. I have an AXE Steve/Tony WIP -- the kind of fic that is basically meta disguised as a story where they talk through how they feel about the whole thing -- that is 42,000 words and I am nowhere near done yet. I honestly think it's one of the best line-wide Marvel events in a long time, which is really impressive when you consider that for the most part it's an event about the X-Men and the Eternals and I have almost no fannish interest in the Eternals and I haven't been consistently reading any X books since X Of Swords started.
So why do I like this event so much if it's not even about characters I am currently following? Well, I'm here for Steve/Tony, and I think it's a really good event for Steve and Tony, both as individual characters and for their relationship with each other, and I think the end of the story leaves them each in a really interesting place emotionally, with enough hanging threads that make it interesting to me fannishly.
We've had a few events in the past several years where Steve and Tony were basically on opposite sides -- Infinity (when you consider the fact that Tony has already been secretly betraying Steve), Axis, Time Runs Out/Secret Wars, Civil War II (when you consider the fact that it wasn't actually Steve), Secret Empire. Sometimes these events have prominently featured Steve and/or Tony, but as a Steve/Tony fan most of these weren't satisfying to me on an OTP level because they're not really on good terms. Although, yes, Secret Empire did provide a hell of a lot to think about and also some really interesting material for AUs because it did give us an evil Steve who, uh, canonically loves Tony. You should see my WIP list. But Secret Empire wouldn't make my list of events where Steve and Tony are BFFs, if you get what I mean.
We've had events where they were on the same side but the event wasn't really about them -- War of the Realms, Empyre, King in Black, Devil's Reign. (As far as I can tell, Devil's Reign never actually had the real Tony in it, either, but I will admit to not reading all the tie-ins.) Heroes Reborn was also a thing but didn't ever have Tony even meet Steve, AFAIK. So, I mean, it's nice that they don't hate each other but also they are just a couple characters in a cast of thousands. I think Empyre comes the closest, and I really enjoyed Empyre, but I wouldn't call Steve & Tony the stars of the event.
So AXE is one of the first events in a long time -- maybe since AvX? -- where both Steve and Tony have been friends on the same team with neither of them secretly being evil and where they have had big roles to play in the event itself. Both Steve and Tony have a lot to do in the mainline and Tony has an entire issue about him. Also, though I think it has its flaws, AXE is definitely much kinder to Tony than a lot of the other comics featuring Tony have been in a while. It portrays Tony and Steve as friends and as heroes genuinely trying to do good. And if you're like "isn't that what most superhero comics are like?" then you haven't been reading a lot of Iron Man comics in the past several years, although that is maybe, maybe starting to change.
I also think the setup of AXE is the kind of thing that lends itself to interesting fannish theorizing without being unkind to most of the heroes. I suppose technically it starts out as a hero vs. hero event, depending on who you consider heroes. A faction of Eternals decides that mutants are deviants and decides to wipe them out. The Avengers decide this is a bad idea and they and the remaining Eternals join in on the side of the mutants. Since Eternals have to do what Celestials tell them, the good guys (starring Tony) come up with a plan to reanimate Avengers Mountain (a dead Celestial) and it will become a god to the Eternals again and it'll tell them to knock it off with the mutant-killing. This works. Sort of. Then the Celestial decides it's going to judge the rest of humanity on an individual and a collective basis and everyone has to band together to try to stop it. Steve ends up basically leading humanity in battle and Tony ends up taking point on the strike team trying to bring the Celestial down from the inside. Literally the inside.
So, yes, as a Steve/Tony fan, I enjoy the fact that they're working together. They're friends! They're clearly coming up with plans together and they're concerned about each other and Steve doesn't even blame Tony for being the guy who arguably headed the project that started the mess in the first place.
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Also Steve makes some great rallying speeches.
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(Don't worry, Steve's fine.)
And Tony also makes some great speeches, honestly, just on a smaller scale.
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I feel like the AA references in there are very in-character for Tony.
It's been my experience that fandom tends to really enjoy events that let them sort characters based on their beliefs and powers -- who would win in a fight? Who would support Registration? And this gets you that, and they don't even have to fight each other. Because what a lot of the tie-ins are about is "who passes, who fails, and why?" and so, without even pitting your faves against each other, you get to do the same kind of theorizing. And because Steve and Tony are major characters, we get to see both of their judgments, and we get a lot about Tony's.
And it's really cool, I think, because it absolutely does not go the way you think it would go. It does not go the way they think it will go. Because Steve is one of the very first to fail -- and Tony is at his side, wondering who possibly has a chance to pass if Steve fails. So Steve basically spends the whole rest of the event clearly feeling like a massive failure and trying to pull himself together for the rest of humanity. I have feelings about this.
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And Tony, in a move that surprises everyone including himself, passes. There is a whole issue devoted to this and I really like it except for a couple of points I will detail below and also the fact that it requires us to acknowledge that Cantwell's run happened, which is a thing I was really trying to not do. Anyway, it has a great callback to The Confession.
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Tony just doesn't want to let Steve down.
The whole thing is interesting. It gives you a lot to think about. They're clearly still both unsettled about this by the end of the event, and then Tony asks Steve to go hot-tubbing with him, which. You know. There's potential there. I and my massive WIP clearly think there's potential there.
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So that's a lot of fun. At least, I think so.
This event has a downside for me, which is that it has a Did Not Do The Research problem. I think this is most apparent in AXE Avengers, the issue all about Tony, which includes such odd developments as "Tony agrees with the assertion that he likes to date people who are parental figures with strong moral compasses" (I have literally no idea where this is coming from, as I would have said that he likes to date people to try to kill him) and "the Celestial, in the form of Howard, tells Tony that they wanted him so badly but then he wasn't a great father to Tony." I feel like "we wanted you so badly" is an interesting way of describing "we adopted you solely because we needed a decoy son to save the life of our biological son." If this had been by any other writer, I would have said, oh, well, I guess they just didn't read the adoption arc. This is by Kieron Gillen. You know, the guy who wrote the adoption arc.
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There are a couple of other places in the event itself where the plot doesn't match up to itself across comics, which you would probably expect in tie-ins except… these were all also by Kieron Gillen. So after Steve dies and is reborn from an egg, naked, in the Avengers Mansion kitchen (don't worry about it), he either has enough time to get dressed and talk to Tony before the strike team heads out (if you believe Death To The Mutants) or Tony is already on-mission when Steve hatches (if you believe the mainline). These are, again, both by the same writer.
Anyway, if you believe the version where Steve gets to wish Tony well, it's very sweet:
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There is also one further instance where Not Doing The Research isn't a problem, per se, but there was one canonical reference that AXE Avengers could have made, that the entire issue was leading me to think that it was going to make, and then it got there and it didn't, presumably because Gillen didn't know it, and I was so confused because it would have made the issue so much stronger.
So the culmination of AXE Avengers features the Celestial reenacting Tony's parents' car accident, which the Celestial is using as an analogy for the disaster the world is currently going through, and asks Tony what Tony will do. Tony immediately heads to the car and starts trying to repair it and explains that it may not make a difference, but he has to try, and if he works hard enough, no one has to die in a car crash.
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It's a nice moment. It's very Tony. It's very touching. It seems like a philosophy he would espouse. It is also an established canon fact that is thirty years old.
In Iron Man #288, we learn that the first thing Tony did after his parents' death was find out what the cause of the crash was (a flaw in the brake design). Then he spent forty hours redesigning the brakes in that car model, bought the car company, and implemented his new, improved brake design. So no one else was ever going to die in a crash like that.
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So that thing he says in AXE Avengers that he would do, hypothetically, about fixing the car so no one else would die? He did it. It wasn't hypothetical. He actually 100% did that exact thing, in canon, when faced with this exact situation. So you can kind of see why I was expecting the AXE Avengers issue to refer to this, because I figured this was him describing the thing that he did. It would have been the perfect thing for him to mention. I just assumed that was what was going on here and we were leading up to that.
The issue does not refer to this fact, at all.
I don't know, I just thought it was a bizarre omission. I guess no one involved with this issue knew enough to mention it.
Also I feel like if I were the Avengers I personally would not want to move right back into living in the dead Celestial corpse as soon as it died and the fighting was over. They cannot be hurting that badly for real estate. I'm just saying.
But overall? Yeah, great event. I loved AXE Judgment Day. Give me ten more just like it.
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Put your money where your mouth is Aidan I want a thematic analysis of the sex scene in Jason X (I have never seen Jason X)
Oh MAN okay so Jason X is, possibly hands down, my favourite bad movie. Its the funniest bad horror sequel I've ever seen. It's got space stations. It's got cryogenics. It's got INCREDIBLY 00s fashion. David Cronenberg, yes, The Cronenberg, specifically asked to be in it only so he could be killed in a very stupid way after 2 minutes of screen time. At one point a guy gets killed by being knocked off a platform onto a big spiral aerial type thing and you watch his corpse corkscrew the whole way down and I laughed so hard i had to pause the movie because I thought I might either choke or piss myself. It's Bad. I love it unreservedly.
That said, it has been a while since I watched it so I am a little vague on the details and have refreshed myself by skimming the Wikipedia page. Tried to rewatch the scene but I am on a bus so my signal is not quite good enough. I will do my best from memory.
The Friday the 13th movies have always had a theme of responsibility of adults and older teens for the kids and teenagers in their care and, by extension, are often thematically full of Having Sex (Ir)Responsibly. The plot twist in the first one is actually really good - Jason is not the killer! Jason is a child who dies in an accident at his summer camp because the counsellors supposed to be keeping watch on him snuck off to shag in the storage room instead. The killer is his mother, seeking to avenge him by murdering the camp counsellors who she catches having sex. It's a core founder of the "if you fuck you die" trope in horror.
How does Jason get so hugelarge and get a machete? No idea. How does he get to space? Doesn't matter. Have I seen any of the other sequels between the original and Jason X? Not clear-headed, though I do vaguely I think remember watching one when I had the flu real bad and fell asleep a bunch of times.
Basic plot, for context: a professor leads a bunch of students to excavate the cryogenically frozen body of Jason and realises that, because he's so big and unkillable, he could definitely sell Jason's body for lots of money and fame to people looking to profit off of eternal youth. Jason awakens, mayhem ensues.
As I remember it, the first sex scene that immediately comes to mind involves a sadomasochistic encounter between a student and a supervisor, heavy overtones of "fuck me for good grades and fame and success". The wiki page doesnt specify this so i MIGHT be getting it confused with another film but it is definitely something I remember noting about it so for the sake of this discussion I'm going to assume I've got that right. Obviously, then, this links to the core theme of "Having sex with people as a distraction from the duty of care you have over people". While these characters are fucking, Jason is waking up, only attended by the students, and beginning his murder day out in space. Again, these deaths could have been prevented if there was a separation kept between Doing Your Job and Getting Some Pussy, and the dynamics of the scene lean into ideas of sex as power and of appropriate vs inappropriate sexual acts. I also seem to remember the younger girl being the dominant participant in the scene which again comes down to some kind of "horror movie punishing Deviant tm sex Specifically" trope, horror as a genre is really preoccupied with presentations and performances of masculine and feminine, male and female, active and passive, and things which blur these distinctions or confuse these binaries are a major focus and source of fascination but are also almost always resolved by either "Correcting" the gender (girl stops being an adolescent tomboy and gets a boyfriend) or destroying it (if you do things "wrong" you die). This is very much a basic summary I recommend Clover's "Her body, himself" for it explained better than I can on a bus with no coffee.
Another heavily sexual scene in the movie is when they try to capture/subdue Jason by putting him in the holodeck and playing a simulation of two hot half-naked young women at summer camp, which distracts him in a paralysis between violence and desire. This echoes the themes of the first film; first, that sexuality is very often a dominant preoccupation for adolescents and young adults and the question of whether it is appropriate to condemn them for having or desiring sex; secondly, that the tension between condemnation and desire can cause impulses to violence, like the far-right leanings in incel groups; thirdly, the cycles of repeating trauma, Jason here wanting the thing that killed him showing that, like his mother, he is playing out the cycles of trauma again. This is all a very psychoanalytic reading which is not at all my usual thing for good movies (read Skin Shows by Halberstam for, again, a much more competent analysis of why psychoanalysis is often reductive when applied to horror) but I think Jason X does lend itself to this lens and, again, busposting from memory not a fully researched essay. Jason then kills them by putting them in sleeping bags and hitting one sleeping bag with another which is on the one hand a reference to the "young women pillow fighting" sexual titillation motif but is, more importantly, absurdly funny to watch.
Like I've said throughout this, it's been almost a year and a half since I watched this film, but I absolutely do think the themes of sexuality are a significant enough part of it to not be dismissed offhand!
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hearthburnt · 2 years
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introducing     ...     kingo  .
kumail nanjiani  &  agender  &  he/they  &  seven thousand plus  ┊  well, well, well, if it isn't KINGO — the eternal from EARTH who arrived in origin one year ago and is a tailor. their fellow residents would describe kingo as charismatic & observant but judgemental & pessimistic, and associate them with colourful embroidered bomber jackets, blindingly bright stage lights, finger guns aimed with intent rather than mischief.
statistics  .
full  name  :  kingo
nicknames  :  none
age  :  somewhere above 7000
date of birth  :  n/a
gender  :  n/a
pronouns  :  he / they
species  :  eternal
orientation  :  bisexual
occupation  :  tailor, actor, producer
face  claim  :  kumail nanjiani
biography  .
the first thing he remembers is the domo  ,  awakening in the central room alongside all the other eternals  .  then battling the deviants  ,  helping humanity grow  ...
well  ,  they didn’t do much of the  ‘  helping humanity grow  ’  .  there’s only so much a guy who shoots energy blasts out of their hands can do  ,  and kingo’s never claimed to be especially good at manual labour  .
thousands of years is a long  ,  long time to be sort of useless for  .  sure  ,  he was plenty useful in battles with the deviants  ,  and great for excavation  ,  but he never contributed anything to social development  —  in his own words  ,  at least  .
they don’t precisely recall which of the others suggested taking up acting  .  but it was a wonderful suggestion  —  the naturally dramatic  &  flamboyant kingo thrived in theatre  (  and later cinema  )  ,  taking the opportunity to invent new identities every few decades or so  &  creating a dynasty of philanthropic actors  .
going his own separate way for a few centuries was nice  —  but of course it didn’t last  .  the other eternals arrived  ,  bringing news of more deviants  ,  ajak’s death  &  the impending birth of a celestial  .
they’re not proud of the way they handled their conflicting feelings about saving humanity vs opposing their longtime friend ikaris  ,  the argument over whether to prevent the creation of new planets for the sake of saving this one  .  kingo’s not really an existential debates kind of person  ,  but completely opting out seems like it was the wrong call  .
oh yeah  —  and then he took one step  ,  opened one door  ,  and all of a sudden was in a completely different world  . 
it’s only been a year  ,  but they’ve already decided that here is pretty nice  .  sure  ,  there’s no burgeoning film industry to support  ,  but there’s plenty of other things to do  ,  and less people to judge them  .
they took up tailoring  ,  having already had a lot of experience with customising costumes  &  clothes for their own use  —  it wasn’t much of a stretch to extend that to other things as well  .
misc  .
main canon divergence is that kingo isn’t a bollywood actor  ,  rather has dabbled in theatre  &  emerging film industries  (  so  ,  probably was involved in bollywood for a while  ,  but it’s on its own two feet now  ,  it doesn’t need the star power of the  ‘  kingo dynasty  ’  )  .
this intro is short  &  kinda terrible but as with han if you’d like to plot hmu via dms or like this post  !
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mrbeeeeeeboss-blog · 4 months
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Eternals Vs Deviants - Eternals Fight Scene | Gilgamesh Death Scene - al...
Eternals Vs Deviants - Eternals Fight Scene | Gilgamesh Death Scene - alien powers confront Eternals Vs Deviants - Eternals Fight Scene | Gilgamesh Death Scene - alien powers confront Eternals Vs Deviants - Eternals Fight Scene | Gilgamesh Death Scene - alien powers confront Eternals" is a Marvel superhero film released in 2021, and it introduces two ancient races, the Eternals and the Deviants. Here's a breakdown of the Eternals vs. Deviants conflict:
Eternals:
Origin: Created by the Celestials, the Eternals are a race of immortal and superpowered beings tasked with protecting humanity. Powers: Each Eternal possesses unique abilities, such as super strength, flight, telepathy, and control over matter. They are virtually indestructible and don't age. Purpose: The Eternals' primary mission is to defend Earth from external threats, particularly the monstrous Deviants. Leadership: Ajak (Salma Hayek) serves as the wise and ancient leader of the Eternals, guiding them in their mission. Deviants:
Origin: Similar to the Eternals, the Deviants are also created by the Celestials. However, unlike the Eternals, they are genetically unstable and vary widely in appearance. Abilities: Deviants are a diverse group with unique powers, and they often exhibit animalistic features. They are a threat to both humans and Eternals. Agenda: Deviants are presented as a destructive force that opposes the Eternals. They seek to dominate and destroy civilizations, creating conflict throughout history. Leader: Kro (Barry Keoghan) is a prominent Deviant who evolves and adapts over the centuries, becoming a formidable adversary to the Eternals. Conflict:
Historical Battles: The Eternals and Deviants have clashed throughout human history, with the Eternals protecting humanity from Deviant threats. Emergence: In the film, the Eternals reassemble after centuries of inactivity due to the emergence of the Deviants, who pose a new and more significant threat. Internal Struggle: The Eternals face an internal struggle as they question their purpose and the true nature of their mission, leading to conflicts among themselves. Celestial Agenda: The overarching conflict involves the Celestials' agenda, with the Eternals and Deviants serving as pawns in a larger cosmic plan for the evolution of life on Earth. The Eternals vs. Deviants conflict adds a layer of complexity to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, exploring themes of duty, identity, and the consequences of meddling with cosmic forces. ikaris vs flying deviant
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Sürpriz! Şimdi Marvel'dan yepyeni bir Eternals çizgi romanı var 500 Yıl Savaşında Eternals vs. Deviant ...
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Detroit Become Human, (2018)
‘Detroit Become Human’ is a story taking place in a futuristic Detroit, USA where super-advanced technology has culminated in the creation of ‘androids’, full machines programmed and designed to look and act as if they were human, created by a group called ‘Cyberlife’, the plot develops around certain androids that have become ‘deviant’ due to developing an archaic form of free will, to the point that they realise they wish to be free of the duties that they were assigned at creation, this ties with the current climate of fear towards the increasing development of AI in everyday living, it begs the question how far will we go in the pursuit of knowledge and how much are we willing to risk. ‘Humanities greatest achievement threatens to be its downfall, isn’t it ironic?’- Elijah Kamski.
The development of ‘deviants’ asks the question does their ability to feel emotions for themselves not make them partially human too? Detroit Become Human's view on the idea of empathy is explored via the androids, and how they act with humans and each other, for instance, one of our tri-protagonists, Kara, breaks free from her mould as a home-serving machine in order to save a young girl from the abusive father that bought her. Playing the storyline of Kara works in a similar way as ‘This War of Mine’, being from the point of view of an innocent bystander caught in a desperate situation, making split-second decisions in order to save herself and the young girl she ran away with. Throughout the gameplay as Kara, there are many amoral decisions the player, in some cases, has to make and with so many different possible endings, your choices and reactions truly matter to determine the outcome and the endings of every character.
A minor plot point of this game is the creation of religion and the creation myth. A huge turning point for the androids, that we see with Markus’s storyline, is the deviant’s belief in something of a saviour, an ‘other’ which is rumoured to be the original android, that will help free them from their enslavement. Scrawling their scripture through many crime scenes investigated for suspected deviants, we explore the links between deviancies and this recurring idea of an entity dubbed RA9, with Connor, this idea is interesting, as religion is something seen as wholly human, humanity has been following religions from the dawn of time, some over a 4,000 years ago, it is something that, for a long time separated us from the rest of the animal kingdom, this belief in a higher power. This semi-religion also introduces a concept of empathy vs religious fear, are you a good person because you feel for your fellow man? Because you can put yourself in their shoes and understand them, or is it because you are all fearing of an eternal punishment inflicted by a deity that may or may not exist nor care? This is an intriguing question that everyone should ask themselves, for the purpose of this blog though I shall deviate (no pun intended) back to my evaluation. Finding out these similarities between androids and humans, and even growing fond of each other in Connor and Hanks's case, means that this futuristic society must begin to conceptualise the idea that the androids that they have brought into the world might actually have human feelings and may be deserving of respect, thus, making them want to reject to the idea of androids gaining free will as it forces them to empathise with a group that they have enslaved since their creation, it is not subtle either, the real-life connotations of this way of feeling towards the ‘other’. ‘Maybe you are alive’- Hank.  
Detroit Become Human is split between 3 timelines, each following a different android, the most notable one of these is Connor and his partner Hanks's storyline as detectives investigating this sudden rise of deviant Androids, while their relationship is consistently shaky, the game gives the player options to boost Hanks opinion of androids one way or the other, Connor and Hank are initially the most opposed to the idea that deviants are legitimately experiencing human emotions “They don’t really feel emotions, they just get overwhelmed by irrational instructions- Connor” yet Connor consistently shows his own which, in turn, becomes a positive for his relationship with Hank. A notable showcase of this is the Kamski test, a test for empathy within machines, created by, Elijah Kamski, the founder of ‘Cyberlife’, in this ‘test,’ Connor is instructed to shoot an innocent android, giving the player the option to decide not to shoot, projecting their own human empathy onto the character, or to shoot and use the subdued ethics of simulated reality to explore the darker path, if the decision is not to shoot then Hank commends Connor for his show of sympathy and his opinion of Connor improves but if Connor shoots, the player receives vital information, however, the response from Hank is negative, ‘“You’re a low life, you don’t feel a thing. A Machine! That’s what you are! You’re just a fucking machine.” this voice line shows that even Hank starts to believe, tentatively, in the humanity of androids through to his relationship with Connor. Throughout the game, Hank is a gruff, android-hating man who slowly begins to empathise with a machine to the point he begins to project his own morality onto him and is shocked when Connor doesn’t reflect that within himself, Hank is mad that Connor doesn’t reflect his empathy ‘because that’s literally what empathy is: a projection of yourself onto others’- Matthew Farber, co-author of https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000261993.
To conclude this entry: Detroit Become Human invites the player to be empathetic towards the characters by allowing them to connect via the amount of personalisation within the gameplay, the player can determine for themselves if the androids can indeed feel empathy and compassion and also explores the idea of empathy within non-human entities.
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ETERNALS Movie REVIEW | Yogi Bolta Hai
ETERNALS Movie REVIEW | Yogi Bolta Hai
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tegami-kagami · 2 years
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Ikaris: the Tragic Hero
Read Part 1 & part 2 first
Character Analysis Part 3
Protector vs Soldier: the flickering flame of a hero
By the events of the movie, Ikaris was a flickering flame on the verge of going out.
He puts on the mask of the soldier that had kept him sane during the last century. The soldier is who meets up with Sersi and Sprite in London. It is the soldier that is able to remain calm in seeing the cold face of his former leader, able to stay focus on the course of his self-impose last leg of the mission.
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Yet slowly, the mask is melted by Sersi and the other Eternals enough so that a semblance of the old team protector could peak through.
Protector was able to smile, and act normal when amongst his old family. In those moments, the protector is able to joke and banter with those he had spent millenia with. To Ikaris, it must have felt like coming home.
The illusion however, breaks when another of his family dies again. This death is different from Ajak's. Gilgamesh did not deserve to die and the guilt ate at him inside. Ikaris had unwittingly caused harm to those he once swore to protect.
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He had only meant to distract them, not kill them. Ikaris is again thrown into despair and the only way he knew to cope was to put on the mask of the soldier.
Ikaris became desperate to get the team back together because he must have felt that if they were all together, he could protect them. This is the theory I have to explain why Ikaris insisted Phastos came with them whereas before with Druig, He was fine leaving him behind.
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(And No, it is likely not just because "it is Druig and he is Ikaris. They hate it each." Bottom line, Ikaris still considered Druig as family. )
Ikaris would have been fine if they had all stayed in the Domo, a flying fortress. It was the best position for them to prepare for a deviant attack.
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However, there was a problem. The others are still attempting to stop the emergence. Whether they succeeded or failed, it didn't matter to Ikaris.
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What did matter to him were the consequences if the team succeeded and Tiamut does not emerge. Ikaris feared for celestial retribution on his family. He worried that if ever the Celestials ever tried to strike down the other Eternals, He would be powerless to protect them.
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It was Ikaris' concern that in choosing Sersi as the next Prime, Ajak had put her in danger. That is my theory on why he tried to deny it at first.
Maybe in any other situation, Ikaris would have been proud of her 'cause he loved her and was proud of her independence (He trusted her enough that he knew she could survive on her own). but in these last days, the position only put a target on her back. As leader, the mission became her responsibility. As Prime, she would have had to answer to the celestials if the mission failed (and it did 🙃, see last part of the movie).
Ikaris feared the Celestials which he had every right to be when he is told they are their creators and the gods of the universe.
Ikaris uses this same fear tactic when he tried to intimidate the others and to scare them away from taking action against the emergence.
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Given Ikaris' true personality, the killing them part was an empty threat as evidence when Ikaris still held back during the final battle (and how he refused to answer when Sprite ask if he was really going to kill them) despite having numerous opportunities to end the other eternals permanently (see when Ikaris grab Makkari by the neck).
See the difference of how Ikaris fought against the deviants (deadly efficient) compared to the eternals (kept trying to throw them off).
The final battle was obviously a delaying tactic for both parties involved. Ikaris had no intention of ever killing any of them. How could he - when no less that 5 centuries ago, he lived to protect them.
The final test (or final nail to the coffin) for Ikaris was when he finally came face to face with Sersi - his wife, his love and once upon a time, his everything.
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This moment is when it was shown that despite the mask, despite the exterior of being the devoted soldier, despite his statements of "existing only for Arishem", deep inside, Ikaris was a man loyal to his family, loyal to his love, loyal to Sersi.
At his core, Ikaris was a protector - not a soldier.
Thus, despite his efforts (he tried to shoot her 3 times - THREE TIMES!!), Ikaris could never hurt Sersi.
When Ikaris bowed his head, he proved that he wasn't truly the cold-blooded criminal his betrayal must have shown. In giving in to Sersi, Ikaris redeemed himself and in one final act, showed himself to be a hero in the eyes of the viewers (aka Me!) and Sersi.
He lets her complete the Uni-mind. He lets her destroy the main purpose for how he had survived up to that point. He lets her stop the emergence.
When it was finish, Ikaris was left empty. He had no more purpose. No more reason to live. He was crunch down crying. Ikaris must have realise then that everything he had done, the lies said, the secrets kept, the loneliness suffered - it all amounted to nothing. What a life he had lived!
On the other hand, Sersi now had a life that no longer needed him - "She has a good life now." - and despite his powers, he cannot save her from the incoming judgement from the Celestials. Even if he could, Ikaris had no more energy left to give.(😭).
If Sersi had only understood the magnitude of what Ikaris had went through, if only she saw how he no longer cared about his life, if only she saw how broken the man she loved truly was, maybe she could have saved him from his tragic fate but the truth was, she didn't notice. (The least she could have done was hug him, dammit)
Too distracted by Ajak's death, Too focus on filling the shoes of a fallen leader, too busy dealing with an event that could wipe out the race she loved and cared about, too busy reeling from new knowledge that put into question the worth of her entire existance.
Their final scene, Sersi tells him "I know." It was her acknowledging he was hurt and that he hurt them. They both needed time to heal the wounds.
By those words though, Sersi conveyed that she didn't really understood this version of Ikaris - the man slowly broken down throughout the millenia. Its because she didn't have the context - Ikaris never told her. She didn't realise this version of Ikaris had no more time left. This gap that had formed between Sersi and Ikaris is probably why Sersi just let him go.
Sersi might have known Ikaris but she didn't understand him because this part of him was something he kept from her.
So she let him go, probably thinking he was going off to be on his own again just like last time when he flew away - 100 years before, not even realising of another possibility - this would be the last she would ever see her Ikaris, her husband of 1500 years and boyfriend / best friend of 3500 years.
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Bottom line - to Ikaris, he had no more reason to live. The emergence is over, Sersi had move on and his family likely hated him.
As it was, there was no one able to save Ikaris from himself. His was a life that begun great but ultimately ended in tragedy.
> The flickering flame dies and a man meets his end.
"Icarus flies too high and burns in the sky."
Disclaimer: These are only my interpretations and impressions that attempted to explain the words and actions of the character "Ikaris" from the movie Eternal (2021).
You can hate Ikaris all you want but atleast try to understand his character before labeling him as evil.
For a marvel movie, Eternals manage to convey a very layered character which is impressive.
IKARIS, PLEASE COME BACK. You're story isn't over yet!
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something i liked about eternals is that the eternals' powers seem pretty evenly split between fighters and helpers. we see it in the very first battle scene and how the characters are introduced: ikaris, thena, gilgamesh, kingo, and makkari are the first ones out to fight the deviants while ajak, sersi, sprite, phastos, and druig came with the domo after the deviants were killed. (although i would argue that even though makkari is one of the "fighters," in the battles we see she tends to use her powers more to help the humans get out of the way vs. directly fighting the deviants herself, so i actually might consider her more on the "helpers" side)
but it shows the dual purpose of the eternals, first to fight off the deviants and protect humans, and then to help them advance and build their civilizations. they all have different purposes and their powers all together make them effective at their mission (or what they thought their mission was anyway). they're all capable of fighting, as we see, but not all of their powers are meant for it.
and then at the end, it's the "helpers" who decide to stop the emergence using their brand of powers. phastos builds the uni-mind, druig tries to put tiamut to sleep, and sersi is the one who drives the entire thing with her desire to help the humans.
of course these lines get blurred and the fighters help and the helpers fight, but i think it's a neat way to show how all of these different powers and skills are useful and beneficial to the people they're protecting.
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Watched Eternals!! Spoiler + Long Post
I feel like a generally average MCU fare in terms of plot and action pieces. First time they’ve really decided to include a Cliffhanger in the main part of the film, at least in terms of intro movies (except First Avenger but that was right before The Avengers so it made sense)… introduced a new big bad in The Celestials… I hear it wasn’t the big Celestials movie people were hoping for but it wasn’t as trash fire as some had led me to believe…
All that said, I enjoyed the cast. The Eternals themselves had a fun dynamic. But with so many new characters to introduce the audience, whilst also balancing the “we’ve known each other for centuries” group dynamic, the individual characterisation fell kind of flat and one-dimensional.
I love Gemma Cham but her character was so often just staring around conflicted and not actually doing anything except occasionally turning a rock into a butterfly (I exaggerate obvi). Her chemistry with her two love interests just didn’t feel as compelling as it could have been (which is why I get the obsession with Druig x Makari)… I was v interested in Gilgamesh and Thena and the fact he spent centuries doing what Black Widow became for the Hulk
Give me your hand vs The sun’s getting real low XD
Sprite was an interesting case but with so many characters, the more compelling elements of her story were lost in the bigness of the story. Like we see one scene of her trying to woo a guy, and then it’s revealed she’s got Tinkerbell syndrome and is in love with Ikaris and then she has a big spat with Sersi in the final battle before getting conked by Druig. And then all is forgiven and she becomes human?! Again an unfortunate product of a bunch of characters getting introduced in one story.
I loved Gilgamesh. If they find other Eternals and it’s a situation where they just look like the same but are “variants” then we can bring back best boi Don Lee aka Ma Dong-seok!!
Would love to see more of Druig and Makari and I guess we shall see them romping about the stars with Harry Styles aka Josh Brolin’s baby bro????
Faustus/Phostos however his name is spelt, I liked him. Him having a family was a lovely and having a male partner with an (adopted I’m assuming) son! Him mostly getting the better of Ikaris was nice.
Makari was a delight! More of her! Her and Druig were fun too. Good to see deaf representation and everyone just knowing sign language, demonstrating it is never something that impedes her.
I think they restrained Angelina Jolie’s natural star power well in making her Thena. And her ability to appear delicate but uncompromisingly fierce was great.
Who else? Ah yes the non-event comedic relief but also makes a compelling case for the moral grey area between the resolute and loyal to the directive, Ikaris, and the loves and appreciates the value of life, Sersi: Kingo.
He gives his reasons just fine for not being able to pick a side but then doesn’t join for the final fight in any capacity but then is shown to be taking charge of Human!Sprite and then is swept along anyway by Arishem. I’d like to see more of him but felt unfulfilled.
SPEAKING OF LACK OF FULFILMENT. DID IKARIS REALLY JUST LAUNCH HIMSELF INTO THE SUN?!? Apologises but doesn’t deal with any of the repercussions of his actions… I know “Icarus who flew too close to the sun blah blah” but his character was so much more interesting than that?! Like he actively chose to separate from the empathetic and nurturing Sersi who adored humanity bc he was loyal to the mission he had be indoctrinated into and when his whole purpose for being was threatened he killed Ajak, someone very dear to him, but still stuck by his beliefs despite it putting himself against someone he loves. And the Deviants were experiencing the same journey in that Arishem abandoned them as failures and the Eternals were complicit in their destruction despite just following orders and then evolving and having free will like living creatures are meant to have.
Could he have then become this morally ambiguous character trying to figure out which side he was on and embrace the natural human instinct of finding new purpose in his life? Kinda like that one dude in Dr Strange who realises The Ancient One used Dark Magic??? Yes! But instead he flew into the sun. Your symbolism didn’t land as well as you thought it did Marvel! Idk maybe he’ll come back but that was such a nonsensical resolution to his character arc. Not to mention, as soon as he appeared to Sprite and Sersi’s aide in London, I pegged him as the bad guy. Getting too predictable now.
Overall again this movie was ok. A good set-up movie for the many things coming up. But the pacing in the beginning was terrible, it was one character intro after another, really awkwardly placed flashback sequences, a butt ton of exposition, and then a very rude and unruly cliffhanger ending with two very cliffhanger end credits scenes. Eternals really didn’t try to be complete on its own.
There were beats I genuinely enjoyed. Like, funnily enough, the most interesting character to me was Kingo’s valet, Karun? A human among gods. He gets told to go home because the world is ending but for that same reason he chooses to stay because what is the point in returning with this knowledge of his impending doom. May as well watch their journey unfold.
Him thinking Kingo was a vampire, trying to stab him, then becoming Kingo’s closest confidante and companion in many ways?
Despite Kingo’s own beliefs about what the Eternals should do, he becomes the voice of humanity. “Hey, please save us? I would really appreciate it, but I’m probably biased”. Him leading the prayer for Gilgamesh’s funeral. Determinedly continuing to be a loyal cameraman and accepting the aggression of the Eternals at him trying to do his job in stride and even calling them out for being so angry.
And then him just being generally affable and pleasant and naturally funny. There were some moments that clearly were gunning for a laugh but his role was genuinely fun.
Like the story was so big beyond its boundaries that it was nice to see such a simple but well-rounded character.
That said I do look forward to where they take this cast and hope we have more time to get to know them beyond what they struggled to convey in this one.
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Top 10 Eternals Scenes (Spoilers, Obviously.)
Here are my top 10 favourite moments from the Eternals movie. Each of these scenes are my favourite because they brought out some kind of emotional response in me and left a lasting impression on me.
No 10: Friends From College
Ok technically I am cheating here because this is actually several scenes but I am just going to chuck them in all together but I really loved the running gag every time the eternals collect another member of ‘oh look its my friends from college.’ The best was definitely Kingo, I love the scream he lets out when he sees Ikaris, Sersi and Sprite. Also the hug a gives Ikaris was cute. The gag was also often made funnier by the presence of Sprite because she is clearly not of college age. But yeah defo got a giggle out of each of those. 
No 9: The Final Battle
The fight between Ikaris and the others was so good. Like even after everything he had done I still loved Ikaris but I can’t deny there was something exciting and well cool about watching them go up against each other, especially because all throughout the film they make it clear that he is the strongest so you have that anticipation of how on earth they are going to beat this guy? The other thing I did like and respect is they did commit to the whole he is the strongest claim. In alot of films you have it where they do the whole this guy is the strongest, unbeatable the odds are so against this team of heroes that they might as well not even bother trying to stop them, like they do with Hela and with Thanos for example and somehow the team always gets the strength to defeat them. What I liked about this fight is that whilst they get some good hits in, ultimately it is true they can't defeat Ikaris, he is the strongest of them and in the end its his love for Sersi that stops him. This was something I hadn’t really seen before so I really appreciated that. I also liked the idea that in the end it wasn’t brute strength that defeated him and saved the day it was something as simple as love. The other thing I enjoyed about this last battle was how chaotic it was. They weren’t just dealing with fighting each other, there were moments where they had to stop a moment to deal with debris from the exploding volcano nearby or the deviant that shows up. Not gonna lie when the deviant comes out at the water and you see the eternals fighting from his pov I couldn’t help but laugh. Like what on earth must that deviant have thought? This team have been hunting his kind for thousands of years and he’s hunting them down in revenge and when he finds them they are going at each other. I don’t know there was something about it that was really amusing to me. Some of the stand out moments of this final battle though was the Makkari vs Ikaris scene, Phastos pinning Ikaris down, Thena killing the Deviant and Ikaris breaking free from Phastos’ bonds. 
No 8: Phastos’ Goodbye
The scene where Phastos is tucking in his son and kissing his husband goodbye as ‘The End Of The World’ played was so beautiful yet heartwrenching. Like there was a lot of warmth and love in that scene but then over the top there is this sadness and ominous feeling because you know the world could be ending and if it does then this could be the last time he sees his family. This is one that really did hit me in the feels and is a stand out moment in the film. I also think its one of the most human moments of the film. 
No 7: When You Love Something You Protect It. 
Speaking of scenes filled with love and warmth, the conversation between Thena and Gilgamesh in the amazon where he reassures her that she is still Thena and that she can still fight and she thanks him for always looking after her was amazing. I felt my heart melt when Gil said he would do it again on any planet. I also like the line Thena says later, that Gil has said to her in past when she had asked why he had stayed to look after her, ‘when you love something you protect it, its the most natural thing in the world.’ It’s just such a beautiful line. This film had so many scenes like these where its just quiet moments between the characters but there is so much beauty and feeling in these scenes that for me they steal the show so much more than the action scenes.   
No 6: My Beautiful, Beautiful Makkari
I loved, loved this scene. Again it was short, it was simple but it was so flirty and playful and the actors had great chemistry with each other. I also thought Kingo and Phastos’ reactions were hilarious. Like Phastos saying ‘What are we watching here’ and Kingo’s ‘Is this new, because I hate it.’ Peak comedy however I do not agree with you there Kingo because I happened to love their lil flirty flirt moments. Also have to mention that forehead touch in the final battle. All for this couple. 
No 5: Family Dinner
The scene might not have had any huge significance to the plot but the scene where several of the Eternals are just sitting around a table having dinner and bantering about thor and the other avengers, Sprite turning Gilgamesh into a big baby as the others laugh. This scene holds a special place in my heart because it really was just about a family. It was relatable, it was light and fun and there was something uplifting about seeing this family just enjoying being back together. 
No 4: The Uni-mind And The Death of Tiamut
This one actually gave me chills, seeing all of the Eternals united as one and the way they floated up in a kind of ethereal angel like way, then Sersi using the accumulated power to smash back to the ground and turn Tiamut to stone, it all just looked so cool ok. The music in the scene only added to the awe inspiring visuals. But also, and maybe this is just me, but I couldn’t help but feel sorrow for Tiamut. Yes his birth would have brought about the destruction of Earth but when you think about it he was as innocent as the humans and the Eternals, just another piece in Arishem’s grand design. What is even sadder is his fate is decided by others, he is not given a choice as to what will happen to him whether that is being born or being killed. The other thing I noticed is that when Sersi is turning him to stone you can hear Tiamut let out this sound like a scream, like he’s in pain, then there is that image of his eyes going out one by one. This scene to me was both very epic but also very sorrowful.    
No 3: I Am Very Beautiful/ The Life I’ve Shared With You. 
Yes I know I am cheating again by putting two scenes together but I think they are so linked with each other that its ok, right? The first scene is the one showing Ikaris and Sersi starting their relationship and the second is the one towards the end of the film where Ikaris tells her he is grateful for the life he’s had with her. I really see these scenes as kind of book ends of their relationship in this film. The beginning and what Ikaris believes to be the end. The first I love you and the last. The first scene is so cute, I loved how awkwardly nervous they both were, it was very much that tentative new relationship, the whole I like this person do they like me too. I thought it was sweet how he fumbles his words and says ‘I am very beautiful’ (which you know he’s not wrong) but then when he tells her she is very beautiful he looks so in awe and in love with her. Then of course there’s that line where he tells her he is hers if she’ll have him as he takes her hand. I just adore the way the scene played out with the way their breaths catch as he touches her hand, their kiss it was just perfect like I really believed that  these two people have an intense love for each other. Then you come to the scene where Sersi seeks out Ikaris and finds him at their spot where he is contemplating how much has changed. For Ikaris this was the last moment he was going to spend with Sersi, he knew the emergence was coming and that it would be over soon. So this was his goodbye to her and again I love how the scene plays out, the performance the characters give. The slight shake in Ikaris’ voice when he says he wishes that when they leave this world he could remember her. The intensity when he says he is in love with her and the sincerity when he says he is grateful for the life he lived with her. It’s a melancholy scene but there is also something poetic about it happening in the same place as where they began. It is also so beautifully shot with the golden sun behind them and the shot of their hands linking. I could gush about it forever. 
No 2: Love Is The Death Of Duty
Sticking with Ikaris and Sersi, the scene where they face each other in the last battle. This moment was soo tense that I was actually holding my breath. Ikaris knows that he can protect the emergence but that means hurting Sersi. The moment when his eyes start to glow is when the tension really reaches its peak, then you see them fade out, he tries again but that realisation comes over him that he just loves this woman too much to go through with it, he can’t stay true to Arishem because despite his words earlier in the Domo he doesn’t exist for Arishem he exists for Sersi and the love he has for her. This scene was just so angsty and I really felt my heart clench when Ikaris’ eyes fill with tears and you see them both close their eyes and the montage of all the moments they’ve shared together plays, its beautiful yet bittersweet. 
No 1: The Reveal
In case you haven’t figured it out yet I really like those scenes that are full of emotion and angst and completely break my heart. No scene in this film does it better than the scene where the other Eternals discover that Ikaris killed Ajak and knew about the emergence. I mean the acting in this scene blew me away because every character just has so much emotion, you can feel how betrayed the Eternals feel, you can feel Ikaris’ pain and regret at having done what he believed he had to do. The moments that really got me were the moment Ikaris says he had to in response to Druig saying Ikaris killed Ajak, one because you could hear the pain in his voice, like I really do believe he thought he had no other choice, but also one of the other characters and I don’t know who it was let out this kind of strangled sob/gasp at realising what Ikaris had done that just tore right through me. Also when Sersi says ‘she loved you’ and Ikaris replies ‘did she?’ I just think it is so sad that Ikaris came to doubt that, for in his mind how could she have loved him and then burdened him like she did, she knew he had given up Sersi and how much he struggled with that, she knew how important it was to him to protect Sersi from knowing the truth, how important the mission was to him, yet she changed her mind about everything just 7 days from the completion of that mission. I think Ikaris even at this point was still trying to wrap his head around that. Kingo’s line about how you don’t turn on your family is also another moment that kicked me in the feels and then lastly the moment when Ikaris says he will kill any one of them if he has to and Sersi’s reaction to this, she lets out this choking gasp, like she’s finding it hard to breathe. I just cannot express how much this scene got to me, it was just so intense. 
So that’s my list of the top ten moments, very curious to know what scenes left an impression on everyone else. 
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My thoughts on Eternals overall:
-Chloé Zhao did the most with an impossible task. Eternals was way too ambitious for one movie. It was never going to be able to stick the landing, but Zhao’s really, really clever directing and the superb casting made the movie work overall. The decision to tell the story in flashback worked really, really well. I think it was the only way to get a sense of longevity without making the plot twist seem particularly out of nowhere. In the hands of a lesser director, this movie absolutely would’ve flopped. I think the editing and storytelling was very tight given the sprawling narrative.
-Again I was so impressed by how little time felt wasted in Eternals. It was 2.5 hours and I was never bored or distracted. There was only one very messy plot point and that was the deviants. The evolving deviant really functioned as a red herring for Ikaris, so once the reveal was out, the point of having the deviant evolve felt wasted. They tried to give it some meaning by tying it back to Thena and Gilgamesh but it was by far the weakest plot point. The deviants and Eternals never came together in their shared abuse by Arishem and that would’ve been much more potent.
-The casting in this movie was so damn good. Every Eternal brought SO much to so little screen time. Just think of how Makkari and Druig have taken off as a ship - their dynamic of the sunshine character and the sunshine protector was always going to be an instant fan hit. Again the casting is the other reason why this movie didn’t collapse - they really brought a lot of meaning to very little time. There were a lot of wonderful little character moments that left me desperate for more.
-The ultimate problem with Eternals was time. There wasn’t enough time to develop the characters so that we actually care a whole lot about Ikaris’s betrayal, turning against Arishem, why any of them like humans, what it feels like to be immortal, etc. The Avengers worked bc there were multiple films for most of the cast. GOTG worked because it was a comedy and depth didn’t matter. But Eternals was based on pathos, on deep questions about morality and ethics, of betrayal and loyalty, of family vs duty. And there just wasn’t time to develop a cast that large. Things become told rather than shown. I felt like Phastos had more motivation to save humanity than Sersi. I was vibing with Gilgamesh so hard and then suddenly he’s dead. What?
-This one is petty, I admit: Ikaris flying into the sun was too heavy handed for me.
-I’ve already expressed how happy I am about Deaf and queer actors playing Deaf and queer characters in this movie and I’m stoked that they’re all POC. I’ve made multiple posts about both Makkari and Phastos and I’ll probably make more. I can’t tell you how huge it is that Makkari is a speedster and her super power has nothing to do with being Deaf. But I wish I could say it didn’t feel like more breadcrumbs. Both are huge strides forward in representation in the MCU (Loki’s reveal was a stereotypical hand wave at best, and everyone else disabled is played by able bodied actors) and yet… they were two of the least developed Eternals brought in halfway through the movie. Do I really have to pretend this is enough for me?
The queer romance got 5 minutes of screen time against 2.5 hours. Makkari is a mystery, shown only minutes before they’re creating a unimind to stop the emergence. Why choose an ensemble cast to introduce the first Deaf character and the first queer romance? Why didn’t they get to be the stars of their own narratives? Why not give Phastos and Ben a single flashback? They had an extremely compelling love story that they didn’t show us AT ALL. Ben has two lines and we know nothing about him aside from the fact he’s Phastos’ husband. And it was in competition with three other love stories in the film. It was SO FRUSTRATING how little we were given. It’s not that I disliked what was shown (save for the cringe scene of Makkari understanding speech via her superpowers- that trope is dead tired and added nothing to the story), it’s that I desperately wanted more.
And clearly this goes back to the original problem all of the characters faced and why I have a hard time deeply connecting to this movie overall. I wanted a four course meal but I only got the appetizer. I’m really hoping they have more time to shine in the next movie! I loved so much about what they introduced particularly with Makkari and Phastos; I just want more.
Overall, I thought it was a solid sci fi that brought in a lot of new elements and universe building to the MCU. It’s a far cry better than your Age of Ultrons and Civil Wars and early MCU movies like Thor 1/2 and the Iron Man sequels. But it’s not the most memorable film in the franchise; Shang-Chi is the phase 4 movie superstar so far.
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