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Crassus, Caelius, Cicero, Catiline, Conspiracy
boy howdy these four sure are something. not featured in this soup of C names, Caesar! what on earth happened here.
Plutarch, Crassus
Sallust on Crassus, Ronald Syme
Patron and Client, Father and Son in Cicero's "Pro Caelio"
Crassus' New Friends and Pompey's Return, Eve J. Parrish
Catullus and His World, T.P. Wiseman
Cicero's Catilinarians, D.H. Berry
#flash back to several years ago when I said I could never retain info on Catiline. Turns out the missing link was Crassus lmao#about halfway through drawing this i realized hbo rome era james purefoy would make a really good catiline#which is. not a good thought. bc when i start figuring out casts is when i start thinking thoughts like 'oh what if i did a comic'#conspiracy spotted. absolutely no survivors found here. good grief. we got whatever is going on with caelius. also some kind of divorce#but actually. hey cicero. HEY CICERO. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. FOR YOU ACTUALLY---#i remember kaine told me about the executions but i did not fully appreciate. exactly what any of it meant in context. i have context now!#i should've been drawing the man with fucked up wall shadows the entire time. my god.#drawing tag#roman republic tag#catiline#Lucius Sergius Catilina#have i never. tagged him by his full name here. i should draw him more#cicero#marcus tullius cicero#marcus licinius crassus#marcus caelius rufus
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there is nothing better to me on this website than the babygirlification of ancient Roman senators
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Latin Literature Tournament - Round 1
Propaganda under the cut!
Livy Propaganda
Wanna teach your kids some exempla virtutis? Look no further
Writes in really fantastic periodic style
An undergrad in a class I TA’d for once referred to him in an essay as “my homeboy Livy,” and frankly there is no review more glowing than that
Sallust Propaganda
Writes prose like it's poetry
Loves to work in fun little archaisms without warning, as a treat
Does really amazing things with speeches and rhetoric
#tagamemnon#Latin literature tournament#classics#Latin literature#sallust#Livy#ancient Rome#tournament polls#bracket#catiline#ab urbe condita
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but does lucifer use classical or ecclesiastical pronunciation
#sorrrryyyyyy not sorry hehehe#gwendoline christie#lucifer morningstar (the sandman)#shitpost#tagamemnon#cicero#catiline
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Ancient Romans as Novelty T-Shirts from a Magazine
Caesar: Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.
Octavian: I may be wrong, but it's highly unlikely.
(Like father like son, adopted or not.)
Agrippa: I'm not bossy. I'm aggressively helpful.
Antony: Admit it...life would be so boring without me.
(Bonus was "Anthony's Beer Removal Service. Pints. Pitchers. Kegs . No job too big or too small" which admittedly is spelled wrong but was close enough to make me laugh)
Lepidus: I'm just here for the leftovers.
Dolabella: How to Handle Stress Like a Dog. If you can't eat it or play with it, then pee on it and walk away.
Cicero: Don't worry I CAN FIX IT.
(Meaning the Republic...)
Cato: Yes, I know they pick on you at school and call you names, but you still have to go, you're the teacher!
Catiline: Just be happy I'm not a twin.
If you saw someone do this, let me know and I'll credit them. I legitimately got a magazine with those shirts in it today and picked from there, but I think I've seen this style meme before. I have seen too many Roman memes at this point 😂 I would guess @just-late-roman-republic-things or @theromaboo if there has been one! If not, they inspired me to let out my classical humanities nerdism anyway! (As well as @greekmythcomix and her chickens.
#ancient roman memes#ancient roman politicians#ancient rome#gaius julius caesar#gaius julius caesar octavianus#marcus agrippa#marcus antonius#mark antony#octavian#lepidus#publius cornelius dolabella#cicero#cato#catiline
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Catulus...Catullus...Cato...Catiline...how did Caesar manage to keep pissing off Cat-boys
#it's like he had an anti-type#re:catiline: caesar sided with cicero instead of catiline during the conspiracy in 63#quintus lutatius catulus#catullus#catiline#cato the younger#julius caesar#just roman memes
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wow, okay, unfollowing. i was a big fan of his debt relief plans but i had no idea that he comes into the senate, participates in public affairs, and marks out and designates each and every one of us for slaughter with his eyes
#catiline#every once in a while i have to make an in cat 1 joke#tagamemnon#queueusque tandem abutere catilina patientia nostra
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The catiline orations
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cicero with twitter
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oh to be part of catilines praetorian cohort of poofs
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not my history loving ass being obsessed with this mf
and I don’t even know how I came to this point...
#catilina#catiline#ancient rome#THE republic#catiline's cospiracy#i don't know how i even came here#mom pick me up im scared#look at this mf#he's just a poor little meow meow#history tumblr#history
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when cicero said catiline had unbridled audactiy he forgot about me
#i have two assignments due in 2.5 hours lets go#cicero#catiline#catilinarian#classics#latin student#ahhhhhhh#i am a bad student and cicero isn't helping
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i know its not him but it would have been funny if cassius (known conspirator caesar ver.) was the cassius longinus on catilines propaganda bowl and became cassius (known conspirator catilina ver.)
#its the pair bowls in rome! if you search it up its for cato and catiline#this cassius has been said to be lucius cassius though. not gaius#cassius#catiline
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Sallust has given me way too many feelings.
After spending a dozen pages shit-talking how greedy and vicious and corrupt the Catilinarians are, and how awful Catiline himself is, then taking us on a wild ride as the conspiracy is discovered and the leaders executed, Sallust gives the the remaining rebels one hell of a death sequence.
They’re trapped on all sides and are fighting for their lives, and for the first time we see how incredibly brave and sincere so many of them were. We see Catiline encouraging his men, reassuring their fears, trying to arrange a formation as best he can despite being hopelessly outnumbered. He rushes in where the battle is hardest, doing something right for once in his life. And even though most of his men were armed with nothing more than “sharpened sticks,” none of them retreated or surrendered. All of them, many only teenagers, died.
Sallust opened this book talking about how war brought out the “greatest opportunities” for people to become heroes. Courage, teamwork, patriotism, compassion. He spoke about how the greatest victors are those who forgive their enemies and show mercy to the defeated. And he argued that courage and virtue, not numbers or weapons, are what made Rome so successful. It’s a rather naive-sounding “just world hypothesis” where the good guys win and the bad guys must fail. Halfway through the book, I was ready to write up a whole essay on how blind Sallust’s moralism had made him to injustice in reality.
But the Catilinarians’ courage and teamwork doesn’t save them. Their youthful idealism and hope to change the world doesn’t save them. None of them get any mercy. And Sallust closes his book with the image of the “victors” looting the bodies, turning them over, and discovering the faces of their friends, enemies, and relatives. The Roman camp that night is filled with weeping.
Before the battle, back in Rome, we see Caesar and Cato debate what to do with the captured leaders of the conspiracy. Sallust doesn’t take sides; he calls both of them the “two great men” of their age. He believes Caesar’s greatness lay in his mercy for the defeated, and Cato’s, in his refusal to compromise his morals. Both themes tie directly in with the “good old days” moral framework Sallust outlined at the start. Neither man has the complete picture of virtue Sallust described, but it’s implied that they do when joined together.
But by the time Sallust published this book (probably 42 BCE), Caesar and Cato’s armies had slaughtered each other. Cato’s steadfastness led him to die by suicide instead of accepting Caesar’s mercy. Later Caesar was murdered by the very men he’d pardoned. Both men were killed by the same virtues Sallust praises them for. The virtues he attributed to the “good old days” and which Sallust said should have made them succeed.
And I realized, then, that Sallust knew exactly how naive the “just world hypothesis” was. He set up a very traditional, conservative-sounding worldview at the beginning only to rip it apart by the end. His original Latin is full of strange, blunt, sometimes misleading usages - and so is the story itself. It‘s supposed to shock us as he upends the values that Romans held dear.
Stupid rat bastard historian. You weren’t supposed to give me emotions.
#sallust#stinky rat bastard of a historian#this story gets darker the more you think about it#ancient rome#julius caesar#catiline#cato the younger#jlrrt speaks#Bellum Catilinae#jlrrt reads#jlrrt essays
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