I am here for your takes on Dani. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought her x Jon smelled of hot garbage. Like at best she was meh, and then when the two of them met I was just like "oh no....you're an entitled bitch". And now that its been years since I last consumed GoT, my thoughts have fermented into "oh no, she really is a conqueror" "oh no, everyone loves her because 'pretty badass lady'" "oh no i'm the fandom minority again". Anyway, where was I. She and Jon had no chemistry. The end.
The *only* way putting them in a romance even makes sense in concept is when you realize Benioff and Weiss gave Jon the Young Griff arc. It's why they gave him a Targ name, beacuse if they call him "aegon" then they can fufill that part of the books without ever having to establish Young Griff as his own character. He is the supposed son of Rhaegar Targaryean and Elia Martell, he goes to Westeros with intentions of using his better claim to take the throne and intends initially on marrying Dany, and it's theorized heavily that Dany will see his claim as a threat and the Burning of Kings Landing will come down to Aegon against Dany.
Jon Snow has nothing to do with that. He is a moral opposite to Dany as a charecter, and we've seen him time and time again be at strong odds against people with her morals. But by giving him the Young Griff arc, it means putting him into the romance spot when it makes no sense for him.
Hey I put a read more beacuse I cannot shut the fuck up about how this relationship is just rape and abuse but beacuse Jon's a man we think he wants it.
All of season 7 Jon is so out of place because he doesn't belong anywhere near Dany's Iron Throne plot, and he's being forced to interact romantically with a charecter that clearly he does not like as a person and is uncomfortable with.
But, Dany is the sacred cow of the GoT/asoiaf fandom. You love her and if you critizize her for villanious actions or morals then you are using bad faith towards her. While I personally don't like her, I don't mind other people liking her but I despise that her stans all refuse to allow any conversation about her being a morally bad person. A person who enjoys cruelty and death, enjoys creating fear and is smug when she can control others. That is not a person Jon would love, let alone even respect.
Their entire relationship wreaks of abuse, of Jon being forced into this and knows he cannot leave it without risking his and his families lives. Remember when Tyrion gave a very small level critisism of her actions and she angrily accused him of treason and siding with his family instead of her? Well what do people think would she have done, if her attraction to Jon was refused? Someone who she took all the defenses away from, all the power from, and could have killed at any moment (dont make an ygritte comparison mimi dont make an yrgitte comparison this is a different anti jon x fandom female fave charecter post).
I don't care how the show frames it, or what the intent was. What we got on screen, was Jon Snow being held prisoner to an immoral, cruel, military conquerer. And when that woman was attracted to him, she essentially forced herself into his life and gave him all but no choice. The Jon bending the knee scene and..the uh...boat...scene...later...uhhh....anyways, those to me feel so out of charecter. You cannot convince me Jon did any of this willingly. He is clearly trapped in this situation and cannot leave and is only with her beacuse she is violent and bloodthrirsty. But beacause Jon is a strong, capable man, it's not talked about as if he's the victim and that is insane to me. (Oh my good god the ygritte comparisons are almost laughable send help).
I don't consider a lot past season 5 to be canon, but if I am forced too, then I refuse to accept Jon was a willing participant in that relationship.
Jon's parentage reveal will always be about the revelations of his mother, and the understanding and acceptance of WHY Ned raised him the way he did. And how it was both his parents, his mother and his adopted father who loved him and kept him safe. The very fact that Young Griff's entire story is based around whether or not he truly is Rhaegar's son as opposed to that being a twist reveal is beacuse HE is the charecter whose Targaryean links is the important one. Jon's story is about him as Stark, and is always shown to be the moral opposite of Dany.
Their relationship in the best senario is not canon, but if it has to be, then there is no world in which Jon is there of his own free will. He is being forced into this relationship against his will. But considering his other love interest was another charecter who essentially forced him into a relationship against his will, and we were supposed to root for that tells me all I need to know.
Dany is a sacred cow charecter, and her stans are unreasonable in defending her. When you can like a charecter and critize them for their actions. Ned Stark was an idiot for ever trusting Petyr Baelish, Catelyn Stark's spiteful attitude and neglect of Jon Snow is was abusive behavior, Theon Greyjoy was a moron who ruined his own life for a father who long since abandonded him. Bam all charecters I love and there are some major flaws that I refuse to defend them for but thats also what makes them good charecters. Their flaws arent writing flaws, they are personal flaws for them as people.
Dany is not allowed to have personal flaws she is always to be justified even with incredibly bad faith defenses, but when she is flawed it's the writings fault not hers. Dany is a cruel, sadistic, controlling, military tyrant who enjoys watching her subjects fear her and her dragons. And she forced Jon Snow into a relationship with her beacuse otherwise then he is against her and we already knew she has no use for people who dont support her to be alive.
Jon Snow deserved better then to have both his love interests be domineering, controlling, abusive women who forced him into a romantic and sexual relationship.
Also, I mean, incest being normal is only a learned trait from Targaryens supporting their own blood purity. Jon was not raised to think incest is normal. Dany thinks its normal beacuse she and Viserys both were raised to think that, and Young Griff thinks marrying Dany is normal beacuse he too was raised with the mentality that Rhaegar would've been raised with. Jon finding out Dany was his aunt would've had Jon looking right at Sam and just
literally laughing SO HARD abt rhaenyra pulling up to dragonstone just like "uncle i know you fucking lied abt getting her pregnant and frankly this temper tantrum of yours is both tedious and a sad cry for attention. do you want to kill me? is that it? it'd be easier on all of us" and daemon just smiling at her as if she made him proud calling his semi-bluff before then scowling at otto and yeeting her the egg. truly if the targs have nothing else, it's an abundance of dragon-sized audacity
thinking about remus being a dadda's boy when he was little but as he grew up he realized how lyall was drifting away bc of the guilt he felt whenever he looked at remus so remus became a mamma's boy in his teenage years
*Deleted scene of Namor the moment he got wind of the Princess requesting to come to Talokan knowing he was about to act a whole fool and pull out all the stops*
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*Cuts to everyone running around Talokan preparing what they rehearsed while a handmaiden goes over a checklist with Namor*
Namor: Did the designer finish the Princess’ outfits I requested?
Handmaiden: Yes, all of the beads have officially adorned her dress and are ready to go. The Princess of Wakanda will look like the goddess that she is.
Namor: You found my mother’s bracelet in storage, yet?
Handmaiden: We did and we were able to clean it without damaging her bracelet. It has barely been tarnished by the hands of time my king.
Namor: And everyone in the capital is looking busy and at their stations, ready to go?
Handmaiden: Of course, even the children are excited to be up past their bed time and are playing in the streets as we speak! Is there anything else I can do for you, K'uk'ulkan?
*Namor smirks to himself in the mirror as he touches his freshly trimmed beard and adjusts his outfit so that one nipple is out*
Namor: No, that is all. You have done well, my child. I will take it from here.
Ok, so these two did not meet at an official event, nor could you say it was by accident.
And no one had any idea that they would later become partners in crime.
See these two met when Arwen was still only a little elfling, while Legolas was already several centuries old. Old enough to have lived through the last alliance. So in a sense it would be difficult to predict that these two would become as close knit as they were.
Legolas didn’t accompany his father to see Arwen when she was first born bc he was busy with patrols at the time and a while after Thranduil had returned.
So it was only some years later that he had the time to visit the peredhils. And when he did arrive, Elrond and Celebrian were busy (understandable), so he went to search out the twins.
Only to have the two younger elves all but dump an annoyed Arwen in his arms, make him her baby sitter, and disappear around the corner before he could get a protest in.
Well that was nice. He now had a struggling elfling held awkwardly in his arms and about a hundred questions in his head.
1. Why were those two idiots so careless to dump her in someone’s grasp when they were a stranger to her with no forewarning?
But i digress.
Legolas:....
Arwen:....
Legolas: ...hi
Arwen: who are you
Legolas: Legolas, i’m from Greenwood and am a friend of your brothers. Which is probably why they dropped you into my arms without a second thought.
Arwen: you look funny
Legolas, wearing standared silvan garb, which is different from the clothes commonly worn in imlardis: you really don’t pull your punches, huh?
Arwen: Naneth said that honesty is the best policy
Legolas: well then you should listen to her. Now what were you doing before we were unceremoniously tossed together?
Arwen, scowls: i am supposed to have dancing lessons, but i don’t wanna! Dancing is for little girls who need rescuing, and i don’t need rescuing!
Legolas: no, when you grow up, people will need rescuing from you. I can already tell that you’ll be a fearsome warrior
Arwen, nodding confidently: exactly!
Legolas: which is why you should learn to dance
Arwen: but you just said i wouldn’t need rescuing!
Legolas: true, you won’t. Let me tell you a secret.
Arwen, leaning in, whispers: ok
Legolas: i’m a warrior and i know how to dance
Arwen, skeptical: really?
Legolas, nodding solemly: yes, all of my people are taught how to dance, and those who become warriors find they have an easier time learning to fight than those who didn’t grow up dancing.
Arwen: i don’t know if i believe you...
Legolas: that’s perfectly alright, you shouldn’t believd everything anyone tells you. So i’ll prove it to you, and show you during your dance lessons.
Arwen: alright, and what do i get if you’re wrong?
Legolas: i’ll help you prank your brothers.
Arwen: Deal!
Later
Elladan: i’m surprised that you got her to do her dancing lessons! She’s surprisingly headstrong, especially for a little elfling.
Legolas, grinning: i just told her that children amongst my people are taught dances that replicate fighting so that they’ll have an easier time learning how to fight.
Elrohir: really??
Legolas: it is ridiculous how well such a flamboyant sport translates to physical violence.
Twins: huh
Arwen, cheering: Las also promised to teach me how shoot if i went to my lessons without complaint!
also to anyone who plays honkai, does anyone have other translations of the game? aside from the official?
i feel like i talked about this with a friend, but the translations just. don't line up with what's being said a lot of the time and it's slightly driving me insane x - x