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percentstardust · 2 years

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one of the guards: your grace, the princess has gotten into a fight.

viserys: again? what was the reason this time?

rhaneyra: they were being mean to alicent.

#just imagine him saying a very tired AGAIN #because rhaneyra likes to fight people #just cause she’s a girl and a princess doesn’t mean she can’t get scrappy #esp over her alicent #back on my rhaenicent shit #& if you like pina coladas ( shit posts )

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visenyaism · 2 months

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re your prev post about legitimacy/kingship/usurpation and social constructs and how it's meaningful that rhaneyra as a woman being usurped is an important part of the narrative re gender etc I agree....also wanted to ask your thoughts....i feel like, oddly, the sexism aspect of hotd and how it's baked into the world building and the politics is not as well developed as it could be?

Like I feel like pre time jump there was really significant engagement with how rhaneyra is treated/underestimated as a woman and her own complex relationship to gender, and also rhaenys and Alicent and Rhea and everyone....but then I feel like after the time jump it's just kinda a bunch of disconnected pieces that they haven't really considered together what they mean - like why is rhaenys even vaguely trustful of daemon if she holds him responsible for killing her daughter?? Rhaenyra is supposed to be fighting against misogyny to regain her throne - but has little to no engagement with Baela and Rhaena except as to be married to her sons...like I think if the narrative engaged with the fact that rhaneyra really is only interested in the impacts of westerosi sexism as far as it impacts HER then it would be more interesting and consistent - but it's so stuck on rhaenyra being a girlboss with no real engagement with what that MEANS.

Baela and Rhaena never engage with what happened to their mother?? Daemon doesn't care about rhaenyra re her claim as a woman, he isn't a feminist, he killed Rhea!!! He just wants the throne!! And that's why I think everyone was so shocked when he attacked her in the final episode - because the show hasn't done enough of a job of actually considering the complexities and contradictions of misogyny in this society. Which is why you can have people believing viserys is trying to create some new order/recognise rhaenyras worth as a woman, despite what he did to both aemma and Alicent. And Helena!!

Sorry this ended up super long, I'm really interested in your thoughts re gender/usurpation - because your point re Baela is absolutely correct!

Hope you're having a good day 😊

i don’t have a lot to add to this it is really well said and i agree i wish they DID do more

#hotd #asoiaf

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gulnarsultan · 1 year

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Ok, I saw that your request is open, but I decided to make sure (since my request is quite specific). I wanted to make a request to the only link between the blacks and the greens (I know Viserys occupies this spot, but in this case, it will be two people) Rhaenyra's daughter, perhaps Luke's twin. The greens adore her, she has created an incredible bond with Alicent (incredible as it may seem) she is like a mother figure, and both have become very attached to each other, and not only them, both sides of the story love her (so it would be a request yandere!black and green). As I said, she would be the strong link between them, when it comes to her, EVERYONE sits at a table without fights and violence in order to talk about her well-being.

Perhaps, at a party (or dinner, where everyone is present, black and green — if you can place Laennor...) and the reader is pestered by a man, he is flirting valiantly with her and even though she is denying all his advances , he doesn't stop. The family has very different reactions.

I'm sorry for the long request, if you could answer me so I know if you'll answer it, or if I was too rude filling you with information... Thank you so much for reading this far, honey 💗

Thanks for being so kind. I hope you will like it. Please feel free to write more requests.

Maybe you are Rhaenyra's firstborn. You are the twin brother or sister of Jaec or Luke. It doesn't matter to Rhaneyra. You are his favorite child. Maybe it's because you're your mother's only daughter, maybe because of the mother-daughter relationship she lost early in her life, or because she needed a sister/girlfriend who wouldn't betray her. You are a true Targaryen in all your qualities. Your wavy silver hair, pale skin, and violet eyes. You are special not only to your mother, but to everyone in the black team. Your brothers Rhaenys, Harwin, Corlys, Laena, Laennor, your grandfather Viserys, Daemon, Baela, Rhaena all have obsessive tendencies towards you. Keeping you safe and happy is their first priority. However, you are not only the apple of the eye of the black team, but also of the green team. Otto always saw you as his grandson. Alicentin sees you as her child, even if she never had the opportunity to say it out loud. Alicent is causing her children to develop obsessive tendencies towards you. And it supports these trends, causing them to worsen further. You may be the only reason why both sides agree. In fact, Laennor, Criston, Harwin and Daemon think they are your fathers. Each in his own opinion thinks that you are the only man worthy of being your father. Neither side will allow anyone to flirt with you or be your girlfriend. It pampers you to the fullest on both sides.

"Scenario "

A banquet was held at the Red Fort. Kids on both sides were fighting for your attention. You find the opportunity to get away from everyone for a few minutes. A Lord is approaching you.

"Hello Princess."

"Hello my lord."

"It's an honor to meet you."

"Thanks."

"I want to be friend with you."

"Thanks. But that's not possible."

"Why not? Besides, you're of marriageable age."

"Watch your tongue. Talking about such a subject is beyond your limits."

"Your mother didn't discipline you properly. Your husband will domesticate you."

In an instant, the Lord had collapsed before your eyes. Your mother and Alicent drew you in. The lord was immediately dragged into the dungeons. Your mother and Alicent were comforting you. There may be enemies on both sides, but when it comes to you, they even agree to fight together.

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ride-thedragon · 11 days

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Why Rhaena does not have Nettles' Narrative.

First things first, the tweet to launch 1000 posts.

Everyone was freaking out because

A. It's so close to the premiere

B. It's been around for a while.

This whole Nettles being replaced by Rhaena theory started during the airing of the first show. People really got into supporting Daemon and Rhaenyra as a couple, and rather than viewing Nettles as a full character realised, she was viewed as a hindering plot point towards our favourite incest ship. So the first person I remember saying it said something along the lines of "What if Rhaena replaced Nettles?".

That spiralled within that space and became almost a counterpart to Nettles being Daemon's bastard daughter. Both of these arguments are often used to deter the romantic narrative Daemon and Nettles have, not to benefit Nettles in any way.

Now I can't vouch for the original poster's validity, but I can point out flaws with what they say.

"Rhaena will claim a sheep eating dragon (Sheepstealer) in the Vale after tracking it for some time."

Counterpoints:

1. Rhaena has her dragon eggs.

In the books, Rhaneyra gives Rhaena dragon eggs to take to the Vale, hoping that it will hatch to her. We see them in the trailer. Similar to Dany's eggs, which, if you're interested, I have a post on Nettles, Rhaena, and Daenerys.

2. Claiming Dragons.

This one almost works as well, but it has a few issues. The time frame, what seems to be occurring in the Vale, and the dragonseed plot.

A. 8 episodes for one season is not a lot of time, but we do have a timeline for what occurs, and the start of the sowing is in episode 7. There isn't enough time for Rhaena to both track Sheepstealer and follow him, seeing as her and Baela seem to be in the Vale before Rook's Rest.

B. What's going on in the Vale?

Rhaena and Baela seem to be both at the Vale before Rook's Rest, and then Baela flies into combat alongside Rhaenys. Then Baela stays on Dragonstone and Driftmark during the sowing as she's at the table. RHAENA IS NOT THERE. This is after the sowing because we see Ulf, Addam, and Hugh but not Rhaena or Nettles. All riders so far are accounted for.

C. This ties into the Dragonseed plot.

If Rhaena isn't there to fight, she doesn't have a dragon. But she is a ward of Jeyne Arryn with her Dragon eggs, like in the book.

3. Tracking it for some time.

This does make sense for two reasons.

A. Why would she try to claim a hungry dragon?

If Sheepstealer is hunting in the Vale, why would Rhaena try to claim a hungry dragon? Rhaena, unlike Nettles throughout the season, would have no precident to assume Sheepstealer wouldn't bend to her as a Targaryen. No one would've been killed in order to facilitate that thought for her at that point if Silver Denys is being killed in Episode 7. She also lives on Dragonstone. Why would she not try to claim him where he lives like a person with common sense?

B. Why is she tracking a wild Dragon?

She lives on Dragonstone, unironically.

The home of all the unclaimed dragons like Vermithor, Silverwing, and Seasmoke. Why would she seek out the wild dragons. Why would she, as he stepdaughter to the Queen, not get to claim all the tamed dragons?

Then, if she decides that she wants to try a wild dragon after all the tamed ones fail to bond with her, who around her would allow her to take that risk? Her stepmother, who just lost two children? Her grandmother who grants her dragonriding sister permission to stand at the council? Or the grandfather who just lost his heir?

I don’t think this is likely. What I think is happening is that she might try and fail at best to give her a narrative, which inspires Jace to send out the Dragonseed call. Are we not tired?

#hotd #house of the dragon #nettles #nettles asoiaf #netty #a song of ice and fire #rhaena of pentos #rhaena targaryen #morning #sheepstealer #nettles and Sheepstealer #rhaena and morning #why are we believeing leaks?#please stop hating on Rhaena #shes my child

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darklinaforever · 3 months

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Why are you all so serious when it comes to imaginary characters? This works for both teams btw. It's okay to love books, characters, and so on, but you act like we live in real Westeros and choose who will rule us. Or as if the Targaryens are your real relatives during a real war. For God's sake. The fact that people love the blacks does not give them any moral superiority. The fact that people love the greens doesn't make them immoral or anything.

In fact, you really don't read any of my posts, and are you really content with the fact that I'm team Blacks and loving Daemyra to spit your venom in anonymous messages in fact ?! It’s just crazy at this point. You look like a bunch of weirdos.

I never claimed to be morally better, or that people who liked the Greens were immoral. Liking the Greens doesn't make you immoral. They are good villains, and most people, including me, like good villains. I'm literally a fan of the real Alicent in the book. She's a great villain that I love to hate.

And for your information, I also never said that Team Blacks were morally superior people. My god, I even once had an argument with a pro team Blacks and pro Daemyra person who hated the Velaryon children and the fact that they were illegitimate ! I never decreed that those who liked the black team were 100% good people VS those who liked the greens as bad ! Where does this bullshit come from ?!

On the other hand, what I denounce are those who claim that the Greens are not villains / antagonists. When that's literally what they are. This is their narrative function. They are not morally gray characters, anti-heroes or worse yet, misunderstood virtuous characters as some like to claim. Once again, there is no problem with liking Team Greens, but there is a problem with believing that they are justified in the story for doing what they do and that they are anything other than villains / antagonists. If you read Fire and Blood and end up being Team Greens at face value, you either have questionable beliefs or you simply have significant problems with reading comprehension (and I hope this is generally the second case for the ASOIAF and Fire and Blood community). The Greens are literally a bunch of misogynists fighting for patriarchal traditions, are blood purists and mostly rapists like Aegon II and Aemond.

The Blacks team is not perfect. Certainly, there are noble people among them, but also and above all morally ambiguous characters. However, they are not the antagonists and villains of the story. They are the protagonists. Team Blacks fights for a woman's right to ascend the throne. About keeping your promises and oaths. And even if it is not for feminist purposes, Rhaenyra on the throne would have given a precedent for women to subsequently also have the right to power. In short, Rhaenyra on the throne would have set a precedent to probably improve the situation of women in Westeros in the lines of succession. To be Team Greens in the first degree is in fact to deny power to women and change in a society. That's what it implies narratively.

It's the same thing for those trying to say they are neutral, trying to make people believe that the two teams are on the same level, probably to avoid feeling guilty for loving the Greens beyond simple villains, refusing to see them as such. To speak of being neutral is to deny that the Blacks are fighting for a much nobler cause overall than the Greens. Once again, the Blacks are fighting for a woman's right to the throne and respecting her words and oaths. While the Greens are literally treated misogynists and usurpers who fight for patriarchal tradition... Just like the simple fact that the number of war crimes are not at all equivalent depending on the team.

It's not the same thing. These are simple facts.

The narrative purpose of GRRM's for the Rhaneyra character is simple. She was usurped because she was a woman. By misogyny. And people who are first degree team greens or neutral have this great tendency to deny it. Simply because otherwise, they couldn't justify defending the greens.

Reading Fire and Blood and ending up at first level being team greens or neutral, once again demonstrates a huge reading comprehension problem. GRRM didn't write this story thinking that the Greens were right or that both teams were on the same level, otherwise, the Greens wouldn't get karmic punishment.

I realize that everyone can see what they want in a fictional work, but there are limits to stupid interpretation. Fire and Blood is very clear that the Greens are the villains / antagonists with very bad motivations, going against the law itself. Because yes, the word of the king is the law. Supporting the Greens or being neutral at first glance, without seeing them as villains / antagonists, is at this stage being willfully blind, unless once again you have questionable values or quite simply very, very poor reading comprehension, which you should be worried about.

The excuse of "it's fiction, so we can think what we want, it doesn't matter" is bullshit. An excuse for not thinking about the fiction you consume. This is proof of intellectual laziness. Do you really think GRRM wouldn't want you to think about his work ?

It's a naive and simplistic way of thinking, designed to justify supporting a misogynistic team, wishing to maintain patriarchal traditions. Once again, either it comes from your own problematic morality that you do not accept, or it is simply not having reading comprehension and supporting the fact of not thinking about what you consume in order to avoid not be aware of the problematic things about what you love in order to simply not give yourself a bad conscience.

Again, there is nothing immoral about liking the Greens. Most people like a good villain / antagonist. I've always said it. On the other hand, yes, it is problematic, to pretend that the Greens are not villains / antagonists, then trying to make them pass for more complex characters than they are, even anti-heroes, or worse, downright misunderstood characters who would be morally superior to the Blacks team. That's always what I talk about. Nothing more. And if this truth bothers you, you should question yourself...

Reflecting on the fiction we consume is not stupid. That should be the basis. And I won't apologize for thinking about what I consume.

And it's still cheeky to come and tell me that I'm lecturing people when it's me that people come to harass with private messages to wrongly explain to me that I romanticize grooming, that I'm a Bitch who doesn't understand anything about the characters I'm talking about, that I should be ashamed, close my tumblr, that Daemon Targaryen is the real rapist from Fire and Blood and that Aegon II is just a normal prince of his time doing his best. Ironically, it's the Greens and Neutral team who always come to me to spew their superior morality to apparently understand that poor little Aegon II is a complex and tragic character while Daemon is the real monster of the story and that the real The goal of Fire and Blood is to choose your favorite war criminal. Lol. That couldn't be further from the truth, and it's complete bullshit. Who once again tries to impose moral superiority on others ? (And again, I'm also entitled to this for liking Kylo Ren / Ben Solo and the Darkling) I think you're clearly talking to the wrong person in terms of promulgating moral oaths.

Love what you love. Just be aware of what it is and think about it. That's all I'm saying.

Once again, I have nothing against those who like the Greens. I have a problem with those who try to make people believe that they are not the villains / antagonists that GRRM made them out to be in the story. To try to make them appear as complex characters, anti-heroes, misunderstood characters who would have reasons just to act as they do. Worse still, to come and tell me that their favorite characters are morally superior to those of the Blacks team or even on an equal footing. Things that are completely false. And if these simple truths bother you that much, don't read my tumblr ! It's simple to do, isn't it ?

At this point of stupidity, I'm going to end up losing my faith in humanity...

@aleksanderscult

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archangel-lucerys · 4 months

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Honest question why people don't like Lucerys? I see greens liking Jacaerys and hating Lucerys áand it doesn't make sense in my head.

I for one don't know why they like jacaerys better, he is the most anti green and pro rhaneyra along with all velaryon boys. to the second lucerys maims him jace is the first one to be protective and immediately at guard, he knows his brother has done fucked up bad, he's the one screaming loudest again to defend lucerys who is extremely quite

At the dinner his first glance is at luke when aemond starts his speech, jace would burn down the greens to keep his family warm

And the fact he wants to fight aemond with daemon tells me he doesn't give two shits about blood and cheese only wants to avenge his brother, this was a huge debate in twitter.

He seems like someone who puts on a very perfect and calm facade, he's the 1st son, and hier so he has to pretend to be more nicer even if he genuinely does not care or wished to be crueler. And contrasting him, lucerys was supposed to be his vulgar and unhinged protector, I mean he kind of was too, but he never got to reach his full potential 😢

As too why they like him I genuinely don't get, they like him so much they think he'd be better off in tg, I'm pretty sure there's a poll it's hilarious

I get why they hate lucerys though, he's the only one whose very much harmed a green, and they hate him because generally people are very angry about his murder, call for vengeance, most already know whats happens and so they believe his murder does not call for blood and cheese or the war even. Its basically "why does this bastard gave this much impact on the story, on the people, why does his death cause such a tragedy when the so called pure blood one's didnt"

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allihavenegativethoughts · 2 years

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Okay so this not FINISHED. Im posting because i wonder peoples replies. Also English is not my mother language! So please beware of that. This story will be 3 chapters only. If someone request other imagines or stories. Im gonna try to write.

SUMMARY: You’re Rhaenyra’s sister. Your father King Viserys married to Alicent Hightower and have three children. You intrigued especially the second born son Aemond Targaryen. Two of you grow up together until Rhaenyra going to Dragonstone and you went with her. He wonders that when he will able to see you again.

Aemond was nine and reader is fourteen. Now, he is eighteen and reader is twenty. And im gonna see no trouble in here.

You were Princess Rhaenyra’s sister when your mother Queen Aemma died because of childbirth. Although King Viserys has two daughters, kings hand Otto Hightower is trying to convince the king to marry someone because of he has no a son to take the throne. So King Viserys has to make a choice between marrying someone or heir to between daughter. He choosed the older sister Rhaenyra. Despite the choosing, he wedded to Alicent Hightower and their became three children. Aegon, Aemond and Heleana. At the same time, they are your and Rhaenyra’s half siblings.

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In the meantime, these conflicted family tree, Rhaneyra married to Laenor Velaryon because of strengthen to claiming to throne and they had three children. Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey. At this time, you asked to uncle Daemon to train like a soldier. In your belief, you did not want to give birth child and sit like a lady’s doing. You wanted to use a sword and fight like knight. So when you said to uncle, he impressed and trained to you in secret. Because of a being princess, some people doesn't approve this. When Daemon training you some ordinary day, two eyes are watching of you. You noticed that is Aemond. You are terrified inside and out. Because you thought he’s gonna tell his mother who is Queen Alicent and his siblings. So you immediately ran and catch his shoulder before it is too late.

‘‘Look at me you 9 year old boy. If you’re gonna tell anyone about that. Im gonna take your eyes out and eat my dragon.’’ When you say that, he’s gonna cry about in no time. You realized that your words are cruel too much. You are soften and sorry about your angry. When you say that Aemond’s grows some feeling toward to you. ‘Cause you’re not like Aegon and half-brothers. You’re not mocking him at all. He knows that he gonna trust you.

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When ‘the family war’ begins you and your sister Rhaenyra and her children go to Dragonstone. Because one of her son take Aemond’s eye out when he claimed one of the biggest dragon Vhagar. You thought that this never happened. Rhaenyra said to you come with her to Dragonstone, you went with her. You wanted to stay all of this heir thing nonsense. In the meantime, Rhaenyra and Daemon married to each other in secret. You were there too.

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When all of you are calling out to Kings Landing you rhaenyra daemon and their children went to kings landing. At that time Aemond grows up and become a fine man amongst being cruel and not forgiving person. And you are beautiful woman, your white hair shines like the sun although the you are carrying a sword.

Rhaenyra and Daemon entering the castle, you and her two children Jacaerys and Lucerys, went to courtyard/training yard. Two boys see that two men training each other. When you are trying to look who he is, you noticed that the white hair and became aware that is Aemond.

‘‘Nephews. Have you come to train?’’ When he saying to them, he is not aware of her standing with them. While His eye searching for some particular reason, he saw you standing there all shine and beauty with your sword beside you. He felt his burying emotions a long time ago. When you left with his half-sister, he buried that all feeling you felt him to ground. And now you came back above 10 years. Now he feels like 9 year old boy again.

Part 2 is not ready YET. Im gonna write when i go back to home.

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bohemian-nights · 6 months

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The funny thing:

Months ago, I came across a tik tok where people were blaming Nettles for Daemon and Rhaneyra's fallout,I don't think so..

Nettles was the last straw of Daemyra's marriage,because remember that Daemyra had an open marriage on Daemon's side, when with Laena, he was faithful until the end in the books.

For me Rhaenyra was a mean to get closer to the throne(poor girl, she deserves better)because like in the show, Daemon wanted to ruin her reputation to become king, yet with Laena, he decides to win her hand and marry her, also as soon as his daughters were born, he went to court and PLEADED to his brother to legitimize his daughters in the books.

The rouge prince, the most arrogant man of the entire westeros pleaded so his wife and daughters could be recognize as his own family.

He was content with Laena and the girls, a happy man that died when Laena died and soon that happy man resurfaced with Nettles.

That happy man could have resurfaced with his daughters after Laena's death, but it didn't.

He could have resurfaced with Nyra, his true love(I don't buy it) and I'm not saying he didn't love her but it wasn't enough

Daemon is selfish, and greedy, instead to fight for his remaining children, he chooses to die because he didn't see reason to live.

He pulled away, distanced himself for his ambitions from Baela and Rhaena, then for love for Nettles.

Must be sour for the twins to find out they weren't as important as Nettles, for Rhaenyra?; we know that Baela grieved in the books, but Rhaena? What about her? Also Baela chooses to call her children Corlys and Laena.

Corlys

Not Daemon.Out of honour of her father, but in honour of her grandisre; maybe because during Aegon III's reign they have become close and Corlys was the father that Baela never had.

Yes, she was Daemon's favorite, but was it all perfect?

Don't think so.

We are talking about the Targaryens, for example, I remember when some fans depicted as Jaehaerys's family: oh THE POWER COUPLE, OH GOOD PARENTS,oh boy, I was wrong.

Children's dying to the left and right; no wonder Saera and Vaegon have left.

Agree 100%. Nettles wasn’t the thing that broke Dumbnyra. It was a marriage of convenience to begin with. He and Miss Maegor had an arrangement, but once Daemon found someone who he loved and her life was threatened that was the cherry on the top.

Now as much as a Dettles girlie I am, it really does suck that Daemon seemed to not even give a damn about his own children(cause Baela, Rhaena, and Aegon could’ve been toast right along with Missy Anne) and put Nettles before any and everyone, but that’s how it went🤷🏽‍♀️

I don’t think Baela’s sons name is mentioned in the books. Although it would be pretty funny if she named her kid Corlys instead of honoring her father.

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writerswhy · 10 months

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On Alicent and religion

So, I came across this Midnight Mass gifset and these two quotes:

He doesn't understand yet that guilt comes to you not from the things you've done, but from the things that others have done to you. -Margaret Atwood, Alias Grace

I would like to be found. I would like to see. Or to be seen. I wonder if, in the eye of God, it amounts to the same thing. As it says in the Bible, For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face. If it is face to face, there must be two looking. -Margaret Atwood, Alias Grace

And since then, I’ve been mulling over Alicent’s relationship with religion for the past few days because if there’s one thing that irks my soul, is when (western) writers write religious women as tradcath bitchy hypocrites (as opposed to religious men who use their religion as some sort of selfless sacrifice), especially when said woman is a victim of abuse.

Instead of exploring Alicent’s religiousness as a way to cope with the abuse she endures, as part of her socialization and the community and culture she comes from, as a way to validate her innate kindness in a world where she’s surrounded by Machiavellians and careless people who can get away with things she cannot, the show manages to victim blame her by the way they frame her religiousness. That it’s another chain in this patriarchy without ever engaging with the actual patriarchs who actively abuse her on-screen.

Something else that I want to highlight is that these systems that Alicent faces are faceless and abstract which makes the grief and anger and helplessness nearly impossible to work through. As a result, she ends up internalizing these roles - daughter, wife, mother - and when they contradict each other, or when external forces push and pull her, she ends up blaming and sacrificing herself. (As opposed to a man in Westeros like Aegon - her mirror - who can whore and drink and fight with little consequence, he may even be praised.)

One day I’m gonna sit down and actually take my time to write these thoughts down, but here are some quick notes that I’m trying to sort through. (Note that it’s difficult for me to reconcile some of these with the Alicent(s) we see onscreen. Cooke is one of the best actors on the show but the writing for her has not been my favorite. I feel like Carey’s Alicent was more cohesive and consistent, so some these points apply more to ep 1-5 Alicent than later on.):

1. The first instance we see of her religiousness comes from a place of love. She visits the sept to feel closer to her mother and shares this with Rhaenyra to help her grieve. She uses her religion to comfort herself and connect with loved ones - living and dead. (Aegon does the same when he hides in the sept under the mother. Did he learn this from her? Did he learn this while studying the Faith of the Seven?)

2. If this greater being meant to comfort her and guide her tells her through its teachings that the very behavior she’s punished for is actually holy and human (that’s it’s right), does it help Alicent feel less alone? And if she has someone to share this belief with, like Criston?

3. Does she channel the gods when she needs to compromise with who she is and who she needs to be? For example, Alicent was compassionate and loyal to Rhaneyra when defending her claim early on. After Rhaenyra’s betrayal, fearing for her children and honestly, it’s okay if she was offended and felt played by Rhaenyra, when she shows up to the wedding dressed in green, as a Hightower (no longer a dutiful wife), did she draw strength from the mother and father to seek justice for her and her children and to protect her family?

This third point is so interesting to me because that’s what many real people do in real life everyday. We have to find ways to cope with life and learn how to understand ourselves, our wants, and how we can make them fit in this world. Obviously you don’t need religion to do this, but many do and in my community, religion is what keeps us grounded yet hopeful. Some of us live lives where if it were not for their religion, they’d feel less human under the systems that dehumanize them.

#alicent hightower #hotd #There’s something about Father Paul using God to excuse his sins #And Riley feeling jealous because yeah #how can you not feel jealous when you give into this thing that comes from within you #Only for it to make you feel like you’re going straight to hell for giving in #It’s obviously very different when considering Alicent’s situation but #There’s something there that I’m trying to connect. I just need to stop procrastinating #There’s also this possession aspect that I’m still trying to understand why I think it applies here…but something tells me it does??

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thesilverlady · 10 months

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There is something really bothering me in the show, why there is an obsession in turning every relationship abusive? Viserys/Alicent wasn't abusive in the book, Aegon/Helaena wasn't abusive and if Aegon was an asshole to his wife grrm will not shy away from writing it down (we have seen it with other targaryen men) Daemon was ambitious and his ambition was one of the reasons why get with Rhaenyra but he will never physically abuse her and Rhaenyra will never allow it she literally wanted him to be in jail just because she believed he has cheated on her let alone hit her lmao even Larys/Alicent there is no mention in the book that larys was a creep and the way his scene with Alicen screams ableism. Like I would never understand why Ryan thought it would be a good idea to make every fucking female character get abused 💀

the answer is ✨ misogyny ✨ anon

f&b has misogyny as a theme and I swear to god, nobody and nothing can convince me that Ryan read that book. He probably saw a mention of this and thought "oh okay, I can do women suffering. Easy!"

When it came to the dance era, the misogyny we saw was mostly towards Rhaneyra, since she was challenging the system by fighting for her rightful claim.

There were some "softer" instances that people brash over, for instance Alicent being rumored to be fucking the old King, the Viserys, then losing her virginity to Daemon out of revenge. Alicent probably didn't do much to stir though rumors. She just existed, interacted with some men and because mushroom is delusional and the maesters women-haters they threw ideas here and there. Of course whatever rumors she had at the start are brushed over extremely quickly, so I can see why nobody even brings it up. Whereas with Rhaneyra they're always present because the maesters are very biased.

But you're completely right, Viserys& Alicent didn't have a single hint that could indicate their marriage to be abusive.

Rhaenyra & Daemon may have had their drama during the war but Rhaneyra was a prideful woman and she would have never let daemon talk to her - let alone touch her, the way the show portrayed him to do so.

Aegon & Helaena's marriage is also not really reported other than it happened and it led to children. The end. Everything else is brushed over and Helaena and her kids exist to die and push further the story. But again, no mention of abuse or mistreatment. At best you could claim indifference. But even that it's a matter of interpretation.

And yeah Larys wasn't a weirdo in canon and I'm honest surprised how the casual albeism in the show did very little noise 💀

Ryan and the team probably think misogyny = women being treated terribly by their significant other + trauma.

Writing it about it being systematic and having a female character at a disadvantage while being theoretically in a position of power is far too challenging for him, hence why we got this salad of mess

#ask reply #anti hotd #anti Ryan Condal #nothing will convince me that man doesn't hate women #Alicent being aged down and raped #pretending Rhaenyra wasn't groomed by Cole and trying to make him a victim #only to later get abused by her own husband #having Helaena implying that Aegon also rapes her? and Alicent otto Viserys don't even blink?#that man hates women I'm telling #the feet scene was everything. weird - albeist - misogynistic - and pointless for the story

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horizon-verizon · 9 months

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How are yall comparing Rhaenyra and Daenerys ?? Rhaenyra was literally born into power & grew up in the peak of the Targ dynasty; Daenerys grew up as an orphan, in exile, abused, assassins trying to murder her, and then was sold off as a sex slave when she was 13. Daenerys had to fight for everything her entire life, is leading a slaves’ revolution, and delayed her grand plan to claim her birthright in Westeros. Daenerys would support Rhaenyra’s claim but she would dislike her as a person.

Rhaenyra orders the murder of a teenage peasant girl, who is on HER side, because she’s jealous her noncey monster of a husband/uncle loved her more. She protected a man who sent assassins to behead a child before his mother’s eyes, a man who tortured a woman and drove her to insanity and suicide. Her actions should damn her for anyone with reading skills.

Her fight is only for herself, she does not want change and betterment for women, be they noble or common. She does not want women to rule after her, she just wants herself to live equal to a man without consequences and does not care for the smallfolk she calls “vermin” and “drunks and fools and gutter rats”. Idk who decided that these Targaryen women, who enact the same violence and patriarchal tyranny on other women as the men around them, are righteous feminist queens, made to suffer the greatest injustice in history because they don’t get to sit on a throne “owed” to them. They are no better than their male counterparts. They are spokes on the same damn wheel.

For all the hand wringing, Rhaenyra was the freest, most privileged woman in the realm, with a life and choices that almost every other woman would kill for, and she did fuck all with it for anyone but herself. (That too, poorly.)

EDITED POST (9/1/23)

Anon may be responding to my post HERE (I mention Daenerys and compare)....or maybe all the posts connected to the last HERE.

A)

I literally answer why I don't hate or dismiss Rhaenyra's arc totally despite this "Her fight is only for herself, she does not want change and betterment for women, be they noble or common" HERE and HERE. Basically because if I did, I'm more likely to ignore critcal details where it actually isn't as much of her fault certain events happened the way they did and therefore reaffirm the misogynist claim that she should have been deposed ALL ALONG AND FROM THE BEGINNING for any other male present.

We're going in damn circles. I really have nothing else to say to you about that point in particular.

B)

"Comparisons" do not have to mean "they are exactly alike or share many traits", it can refer to that specific process of getting information itself.

"Comparison" can be a shortening of "qualitative comparative analysis". "Compare" as in I put these characters side by side, make a Venn Diagram in my mind, and identify what similarities and differences they have.

C)

In POST #1, & POST #2, I already express how Daenerys is both Rhaenyra's moral superior and really why Rhaenyra even exists. I express this multiple times, actually.

The reason/motive for comparing Dany to Rhaenyra is to really, emphasize that what happens to Rhaneyra is misogyny and to contextualize Dany's own both in-world and meta role in the validity of a female ruler/protagonist. Because Dany yes morally surpasses some of her ancestors--in terms of having a better moral character in being a ruler who thinks what would be good for her people, noble or otherwise but mostly smallfolk--and wants to use her power for them more than for herself. At the same time, Rhaenyra was not an evil person before she lost so much, was betrayed, etc. She is a person, and people do not and will not react to the same or similar things in either the ideal or good ways. We can actually reveal how Rhaenyra's more self-involved or impetuous character didn't invite the misogyny, her gender did. It's not about looking for who is the better person and fuck everyone else who cannot or will not be the same; it's about seeing how they react, process, and shape their realities.

No matter what personality you may have or how it developed, if you are a woman pursuing power for others or for yourself, you are still a woman. You will still face people trying to end you for daring to pursue power, as Dany faces multiple times.

Dany is not just compassionate, yes. She is also very in tune with her instincts or intuition and is kind of a natural genius. Her character is exceptionality guided by compassion in spite of her hard suffering and knowing that she could alleviate some evil and suffering for others.

Again, it's just a fact not every person is going to be as "naturally" altruistic as Dany, esp when they grow up as privileged as Rhaenyra. I never said that these two are both compassionate or consummate strategists or something, idk where you got that from.

D)

I know you don't want to read my posts about Daemon and Nettles, but I also do not have to indulge your choice. Either read these posts: #1 AND #2, or read some those posts tagged "daemon and nettles" in my blog specifically see how and why I do not think Daemon loved Nettles more than Rhaenyra romantically or platonically. Or don't, not my problem.

BTW, we must keep in mind that for the plot itself and apart from shipping discourses, the point of the Nettles-Daemon controversy in the story was not whether or not they were having an affair. It's Rhaenrya THINKING they had an affair and her response to another, deeper sort of betrayal that even goes beyond regular cheating.

*EDIT* (8/21/23):

THIS is a great post by @mononijikayu about medieval queens, female rulers, the history of how women in leadership positions were made and seen as threats to the very structure of social "order", and contextualizing Rhaenyra thru Empress Matilda. I didn't even know about Matilda's husband being comparable to Rhaneyra's Daemon! PLZ READ!!!!

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just as much, along with these fictitious portrayals, more lies are depicted. these women are considered vixens that cause havoc to men by shifting them into desires and danger. through the written word, we see how women are cast in roles of villains in men’s lives. it is because by their conclusive thoughts, women are the only creatures that are able to turn ‘good honorable men’ into despicable creatures who do shameful, deplorable acts for the sake of women’s pleasures. [...] it is within this narrative that ancient chroniclers declare that women were in fact the doom of men. if they were not able to control the dangers posed by the wiles of women, then the foundations of the mighty society they had built would be up in flames. [...] as i mentioned, these factors of community are written down and preserved. and with that, the example of the ancients were the foundations by which medieval society built itself. the same concepts continued to cause the same issue within society and that was the exclusion of women from participating in the bigger picture of community and state, much so with governing states in their own right—without judgment or disapproval.

#asoiaf asks to me #asoiaf #daenerys stormborn #daenerys stormborn's characterization #rhaenyra targaryen #rhaenyra's characterization #character comparison #agot characterization #fire and blood characters #rhaenyra and feminism

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importantwagonpursemonger · 2 years

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I am a first time viewer of the series - I have not watched GOT or read any of the books. But I did check out the basic storyline of fire & blood in brief after the 1st epi to get the sense of the source material that the show is based on & anyways it is quite difficult to avoid the spoilers as the source material has been out for a long time.

The entire 3rd epi was focused on the 3 main Targaryens - Viserys, Rhaneyra & Daemon - feeling the emotional impact of distance from each other & grappling with doubts about their worth.

Many people have pointed out correctly that Rhaneyra seems to have lost her political focus & drive in this epi when she was doing so well in 2nd epi. My take on it is that Viserys decision to marry Allicent & both of their betrayal has put her in a tailspin.

During the epi 2 period she knew that Viserys had chosen her as his heir to spurn Daemon as he had no other candidates. But still she was optimistic about being the heir & taking on the role. She offered her opinions to resolve issues be it stepstones or selection of KG member. She asserted herself very well by handling Daemon's situation. She took Rhaneys advice & caution constructively. After returning from Dragonstone, she had what she thought an open honest discussion with her father & Viserys made her feel that they were making his marriage decision together. Apart from Viserys & Allicent she had no other confidants in her home.

Viserys announcing his decision to marry Allicent pulled the rug out from under her feet. She realised that both of the people whom she considered to be her own people were actively deceiving her. All of their talks with her after her mother's death was her being lied to & manipulated. Her relationship with both of them can never be the same because she cannot trust them. Her being an heir relies upon Viserys whim & if he can lie & decieve her about such an important thing , then how can she trust that he would not betray her about being his heir. All her life she had watched him obsess over siring a male heir & now by remarrying for his own personal reason rather than any political reason, she rightly feels that any male child borne from this union would easily take priority over her.

Moreover in this time period she was once again treated as nothing like the heir- none of her opinions matter in the small council. I doubt after the stunt she pulled in Dragonstone Otto would ever let her catch him off guard ever again & must have deliberately kept suppressing her authority. So she has just spiralled into despair with a son being born & it is a fait accompli to her that she will be replaced. Hence her frustration & anger. It is only after she is fighting for her life during the boar attack that she realises that she wants to survive & thrive. She vented out all of her frustration while stabbing the boar & sort of cleansed her mind from the fog of despair. She was ready to become an active player again. On top of that she sighted the white hart which was like some additional blessing that restored her own faith in herself. That is why she was more open to Viserys when they returned to Red Keep.

I am unable to make a decision on Allicent & her intentions even after 3 epis. On the surface it looks like she is being co-operative & just trying to heal the family but the show has yet to give us any scenes where she actually tells what she thinks. From 1st epi I have noticed that she tailors her behaviour according to the people that she is communicating with. She presents herself as dutiful daughter in front of Otto, as a friend that Rhaenyra can rely on in front of her & as being the perfect person who understands Viserys in front of him. As the epis have progressed, I feel that I have not yet seen the real Allicent.

Based on the knowledge about Allicent's character & actions in F& B, I think they are portraying her as someone having maybe borderline personality disorder. If any of you have watched the Johnny Depp -Amber Heard trial, you will understand where I am coming from. A young girl growing up in an abusive environment with a manipulative father eventually turning into a manipulative abusive person themselves. A person with BPD at the start of a relationship will mould themselves into the perfect match to their object of affection & intially everything is great. But due to their abandonment issue they would eventually go into a paranoia phase where they will feel they are being mistreated, slighted even if they are not. They project their own feelings & intentions on the opposite party & strike first with the excuse of defense. This is what I think is going to happen with Allicent.

Right now Allicent is having the time of her life. She has become the queen, her husband loves her, she has given the most coveted son, Viserys is not happy with Rhaneyra. She can afford to be nice to Rhaneyra because she has only gained whereas Rhaneyra has mostly lost during this time period. As soon as she sees Rhaneyra once again taking the centre stage, she will start feeling slighted over things. Maybe she will feel that Viserys favours Rhaneyra over their son when it might not be so. I have no doubt after epi 3 that Viserys loves Rhaneyra the most. The evidence of this preference more than anything would make Allicent jealous of Rhaneyra & that would start into her downward spiral against Rhaneyra.

#hotd season 1 #rhaneyra targaryen #house of the dragon #viserys targaryen #daemon targaryen #allicent hightower

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Holy cow I forgot Elia's people remained neutral for the sake of the princess😭😭 all in vainnnnn

Then we have the dornish reader with her people, we have killed a dragon before, then we are going to do it againnn>>>

Aemond fighting for his wife and children>> and being a simp to his wife.

Being a proud husband and father>>>

The reader saving her mother and sister in law>>>

Can you imagine the reader saving Maelor and the knight that was supposed to bring him to safety😭😭.

I can imagine Helaena crying in pure relief, never stopping muttering thank you thank you then the dornish reader simply hugs her and tells her" we are family"(HELAENA DESERVED BETTER AND HER CHILDREN☹)

The dornish reader being the antithesis of Rhaneyra, what people and the fandom expect her to be and being a political headache to D & R.

The can do nothing, Dorne will unleash hell

Reader in her mustard dress fighting people and killing traitors to the left and the right🤣😍

Aemond comes back victorious from the battle with his uncle because I said so, and then his wife aĺmost kills him because she doesn't recognize him and needs to protect their children.

She apologizes and Aemond just kisses her, simping for her more than before( and I tell you if they did it, they did it,nothing around them exist just them, just them to each other's arms)

I'm bit emotional here😍😭 they thought they were never going to see each againnnnn

Uller and toland soldiers seeing they have excuse to fight Targaryens

But I’m just very into a dornish reader feeling like she needs to stand pat about the involvement in the dance, but then realizing if she’s “family” enough to have her husband and children at risk, she’s “family” enough to get involved politically. Her marriage with Aemond truly being the epitome of fire and blood >>>

Her actually being loved and revered her by people >>

#her nymeria slay #asks and requests

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I know we're all loving Daemon and Rhaenyra, but can we talk about Rhea and Gerold Royce for a sec? I wish we got to see more of them because I really liked what there was in episode five!

Rhea, for all that she was gone so quickly, seemed like a formidable lady. Sharp, independent, fierce, and proud. Able to give as good as she most likely got from her husband during their marriage.

And Gerold honestly seemed like such a sweetheart. Wanting to keep his cousin some company on her hunt but quietly backing off when she told him no, then immediately confronting Daemon about Rhea's death at the feast for Rhaneyra and Laenor, despite the location and the timing. You could really feel his anger, and for a moment I thought he might be the one shedding blood during a(n almost) wedding this time, and that he'd end up dead for it. You'd almost think he was her brother, since a brother fighting to avenge the death of a sister he was close to is more of a trope in Medieval-like settings, Westeros included.

I loved that!

When he was so fierce at the wedding, talking to Daemon like he didn't care if he lived or died, I was like damn. But then I was remembering their scene together and how he was kind of rolling his eyes at her and she was sort of dismissive. But when you take the two scenes together, you realize their relationship much have been a lot deeper and more meaningful than the first scene suggested. And you can see that first scene in a different light.

It was very brotherly.

We know Daemon was never there, so they might have had a lot of time together as the main two people there.

#asks #nr #first post #first cousins #gerold and rhea #house of the dragon #asoiaf

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ride-thedragon · 10 months

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My Characterization of Nettles.

I saw it come up that she's often mischaracterised, and rather than thinking about it throughly, I decide to take it as a criticism of the people who go out of their way to write her with broken English (I speak in my dialect so it's especially strange seeing some form of it written) and entirely childish, ignoring the fact that she's, smart and lived alone in a classist society, surviving so long by herself.

I also want to justify my own characterization because I think it's a bit different.

So the way I think about her is a smart, mouthy girl. She speaks well enough. She picks up different cultural slang and languages from around Driftmark, and her naiveté only shows itself with her actual age. She's at the age where most people question the systems that harm them, and as a brown skin, poor person in this world, she'd be in a unique position. She overcompensates for it, though. She doesn't let it show as much.

I think she's a quick thinker and fast learner as well. She observed the way Sheepstealer was interacting with people and saw the only thing he'd bend for, using it to her advantage. So, while Daemon is teaching her these things, she's actually responding to it.

She's a bit inquisitive as well. She cares to understand what she has to do before she does it.

Now, the mouthy part comes into how I think she earned the foul-mouthed reputation. She doesn't code switch while interacting with anyone. Say how she'd talk to Jace and a bar maid it doesn't change. She knows she can, but she doesn't want to. She speaks with the common tongue well enough, but she doesn't speak in the manner of someone who's talking to a prince and ladies.

It's genuinely vile things that shouldn't be said as well as just cursing.

Now, the next part is tied to her alleged love interest, Daemon. But I think she can be a very disagreeable person when she wants to be. It's not something that has helped her, but it is the reason why she doesn't have a lot of people around her early on. Daemon tends to like strong personalities.

She doesn't deal with authority well. That's just based on the fact that she's been alone for so long, with no one going out of their way to treat her like her age.

The innocence of her character is something I tend to disagree with a lot as well. She would hurt a fly, she'd kill a sheep, and she was raised on the streets of Driftmark. The moral pillar of innocence, like being overly trusting and caring, is a strange thing to apply to her.

She isn't a pious person. I know this part is strange, but in a world like Westeros, where sex is a form of currency, especially for non royal/rich women, I think she's had a few sexual encounters. Now I love the avoiding brothel work characterization, but I don't think commodifying sex is such an out of place thing for a girl in her position, it was a learning curve for figuring her way in the world without a big concequence like a kid. ( A small headcanon is that she fell for a bard from essos once, like a crush a young girl typically has).

I think her grief over Jace came from a place of bonding and putting her trust in someone for the first time and losing them so violently. Most people, unless they are victims of propaganda like Mr Jamie Lannister, don't want to fight in a war. During the fight, bodies are burned and piled, and entire ports are left burned and filled with ash. We see the Driftmark Characters have a distinct reaction for participating in the war that burned the place they were raised. Nettles has a lot of blood on her hands.

She has no one to confide that in.

I think after that, she gets a lot more agreeable because no one is looking out for her. It's a dangerous place to occupy, Rhaneyra is hardened by Jace’s death,and is killing people left and right for treason, that's terrifying.

Thankfully, she's sent away with a stranger who's dealing with the same shared grief that she has. She's been at the brunt of them losing two more kids and has just lost her home.

She's also sent away in a very similar situation to what had her crying on Driftmark. She has to see what Aemond is doing to the Riverlands after the Battle of the Gullet. She has someone to lean on, though, seeing as she gets really close to Daemon.

Close enough that her life being called for by the ruler of the seven kingdoms is put at the same risk factor as killing her and him finding out.

I genuinely think she becomes very similar to the person she was before which is why......

Lastly, she doesn't willingly leave. This is attributed to the tears, but I think Daemon lied and said he'd return to his family. That he wouldn't fight Vhagar. I don't think she'd allow him to sacrifice himself in that way.

All of this is speculation based on a character we don't know, so if it seems strange, that's fair.

#house of the dragon #hotd #nettles #a song of ice and fire #nettles asoiaf #netty #my baby girl is so fun to think about #this is general because there's a difference when she's hc as Rhoynish for me #nettles headcanons #nettles characterization

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bohemian-nights · 9 months

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Finished watching “House of The Dragon” for the first time a few weeks age and for the most part I really enjoyed it. But then then I started involving myself in fandom discussions ….is it weird that I thought it was weird how many people shipped Daemon and Rhaneyra? I would like to point out that I’ve not read Fire&Blood yet so maybe their relationship is different/better in the books but.....show wise I haven’t really seen anything to make me want anything they have (in their romantic relationship that is) for myself. Then the fact that he’s her Uncle has always rubbed me the wrong way. Of course people can ship what they want and I’m not trying to shame them or anything like that but it’s just a little weird to me.

I’ve been on the internet for a long while now so of course I know that fictional and real world incest exists and that there are different literatures that have incestuous relationships but for the most part (from what I’ve seen) either the book/show/movie paints it in a bad way or the actual fandom itself points out that it’s weird and unhealthy because it’s incest. I think “House Of The Dragon” may be the first show I’ve seen to do otherwise. Maybe I haven’t been properly “desensitized” to it since this is the first time I’ve ever really had an interest in anything by or based off of George R. R. Martin’s work. So tell me are the relationship(s) different in the books? Better? Worse?

It is very odd and no their relationship isn’t described as any better/romantic in Fire & Blood. In fact you could make the argument that it’s worse considering 1/2 of the passages that Dumbnyra stans argue show Daemon and Rhaenyra’s “love” are when she’s underage🙃

She’s like 8 here and Daemon is in his 20s:

Oh so romantic. Daemon loves his niece so much except gasp he took away his affection once he knew that she was going to be made his brothers heir and not himself:

He comes back though when he realizes he can be closer to the throne if he compromises her and forces daddies hand. Being groomed and having your rep ruined is the stuff of Jane Austen novels😍 She’s 14 here and Daemon is 30:

Does it get better when Rhaenyra is finally legal? Nope.

Here they marry six months after both their spouses die which they claim is “romantic,” but it really reads more like a quickie wedding cause Rhaenyra got pregnant(and if they were really f*cking while Laena is alive why didn’t her dumba** get pregnant with Daemon’s silver haired child to throw off the scent that her children aren’t Laenor’s and why didn’t Daemon get her pregnant if he couldn’t stand to be apart from her and wanted to “protect” her🙃):

They also try to argue that Daemon(after disobeying his wife and queen's orders to save the actual woman he loved) died for Rhaenyra cause he’s taking out her greatest threat:

Even though her greatest threat is Daeron who has an army in addition to a dragon:

Keep in mind this was even before Ulf and Hugh betray Rhaenyra which may or may not have been in that letter, but Daemon for sure knows the greatest threat to Rhaenyra’s safety/reign is Daeron and not Aemond. Aemond was the minor leagues and getting himself “killed” to take him out did little to help Rhaenyra out. She’s most certainly be in dead water after he’s dead because she’d no longer have the dragons needed to win. They’d technically be tied at first, but one of her dragonriders is a child who’d easily be killed. It becomes a 2:3 fight and yeah Addam (bless him cause he actually should’ve left her behind) and Rhaenyra are going down.

And Rhaenyra even considers his abandoning her and saving Nettles an act of betrayal:

They try to use the book to support their ship, but if you read there is nothing romantic about this ship.

Very few prior to this show were hardcore Dumbnyra stans. In fact, most people said Laena was Daemon's greatest love(as a Nettles girl I don’t agree with this), but they screwed her and their relationship over on the show after they race-bent her.

Dumbnyra stans for whatever reason watched the show and thought a man grooming his underage niece (they call the scene where he’s giving her a necklace at 14 romantic) because he wanted to be closer to the throne/his bro was the hottest thing since sliced bread so they’ve said and done any and everything to support their delusions.

Dumbnyra only has the fanbase it does because it’s the only “real romantic pairing” with two white leads on the show thus far. They don’t really care about incest(although it’s a bonus to some of the extremely mentally ill members of their cult) they just like that they are two blonde haired white people. Plus this ship kinda has a built in fanbase(Jonerys, another another dry incest ship. They've not met in the books yet, but it's probably hearing that way if George ever finishes the books🙃).

A great deal of the shippers who do ship Dumbnyra do so because they thought for whatever reason Dumbnyra on HOTD would be Jonerys 2.0 done right since their last ship ended like this😊:

Honestly Dumbnyra shippers set themselves up for failure cause Dumbnyra was never supposed to be this epic romance that they made it out to be in their delusional little heads(a man giving his 14 year old niece jewelry isn’t the romantic serve they think it is and abandoning her in a brothel sure as hell isn’t hot. Those are literally the “best moments” of their ship on screen unless you want to count that beach scene🤣).

Which is why they gloated over Laena being screwed over (and still are obsessed with her despite the fact that she suffered from biased writing), tried to say that older!Dumbnyra have “mature chemistry” when two rocks have more chemistry than they do, why they started spazzing out after choke gate(which up until that point 90% still acted like this ship was the sh*t), and why anytime you bring up Nettles they have a panic attack and pretend like she won’t be on the show 🤣 It’s a sight to see.

I wouldn’t rag on them so much if they weren’t proven to be racist morons, but alas they seemingly can’t help targeting Black characters and Black fans(besides the ones who tap dance for them) with harassment so at this point f*ck 99% of them 🤷🏽‍♀️

#house of the dragon #hotd #hotdask #bnask #bnasks #hotd spoilers #daemon targaryen #the claws will really come out when a certain someone shows up ☕️#rhaenyra targaryen #anti dumbnyra stans

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