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aj-lenoire · 1 year

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JFK exists in the zootopia abortion comic??

oh god. nonny i want to preface this by saying i am so, so sorry that i made you aware of this. i should have kept my mouth shut. something something today’s unlucky ten-thousand.

first off, no. jfk doesn’t exist in the zootopia abortion comic. it’s worse.

i didn’t know this until i fucking googled the damn thing but it turns out there are three parts. the infamous panel with the slap is from the first part, but the third part, published in november 2021, had some some extra pages that aren’t officially part of the comic’s canon(?) but like, same artist same universe, so ymmv.

ANYWAY.

part three. judy is the mayor. she’s married to a lady fox and they have two adopted kids. nick is also married to a lady fox and has a biological kid. judy’s fox wife is a furry version of jackie kennedy. she is wearing a pink suit and a pillbox hat.

judy sees nick one day and mentions how her mayoral platform of total integration between the predator and prey animals is mostly accepted, but has spawned some offshoot extremist groups in both directions. offshoot groups to which, i might add, there are extremely explicit nazi parallels, including splash panels of them doing nazi salutes. judy and nick say they still care deeply for one another and are both pleased that the other got what they wanted in life blah blah blah.

extra pages. judy is in a parade car with jackie canidae. in, and i cannot stress this enough, a shot for shot reenactment of the fucking jfk assassination, she is hit by a sniper and her head fucking EXPLODES in what is genuinely a really lurid blood spatter considering this is a comic based off a kids’ movie about talking animals solving crimes together.

jackie canidae is freaking out, she has blood over her pink suit, people are screaming, etc, etc. two animals, one a member of a pro-prey extremist group and one a member of a pro-predator extremist group, start arguing about which one of them shot judy.

judy then opens her eyes and sits up. she licks off the “dangerously sugary” cherry jam she is now covered in. the projectile was not a bullet, but a paintball filled with jam. the end.

now, apparently the original ending was judy actually got fucking shot. why the original artist wanted to recreate the jfk assassination is beyond me. i guess because the integration of the predator and prey animals is thematically similar to the civil rights movement? provided you squint?? ignore all the wider historical context??? up to and including slavery???

either way, allegedly the blood spatter was way worse, the comic ended like that, but the artist got so much backlash because, y’know, jfk assassination, and also possibly because judy was the one who wanted the abortion back in the first comic (remember that, nonny? remember when this was just about a weird fox-rabbit hybrid baby???) and it looked like she was being punished for getting an abortion of a child she didn't want. so the artist changed it to a weird jam-based fake-out.

once again, i would like to apologise for the psychic damage i have just caused you and anyone else who had the misfortune to stumble across this post.

#her name isn’t actually jackie canidae it just seemed appropriate considering. you know.#i don’t remember her actual name and i refuse to google this comic again to check #i know i’ve said it before but fantasy racism really is a dicey area to play around in at the best of times #for a kids’ movie just designed to teach them about prejudice it’s all perfectly serviceable #but it really does fall apart under more intense scrutiny #case in point: the predator animals used to EAT the prey animals. africans never ate white colonisers.#aj asks #hey nonny nonny #zootopia abortion comic #i am so so so sorry

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weaselbeaselpants · 11 months

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If you don't like Ashi, Jashi, or Samurai Jack s5 that's fine. S5 is the only season of SJ I've seen in it's completion and it set me up for both Primal and UWE. I will say right now: I do think all the episodes of the original SJ are an overall better show than it's last season, but regardless, s5 was nice for me - a n00b who came into this series with that ending established and being weirded out hearing Uncle Iroh scream about

GREAT FLAMING EYEBROWS!!!

Back to my point though, where I totally vibe not liking or hating Jashi, I really wish people would be honest with their dislike of them rather than making excuses for why you didn't like them as a couple.

I'm sorry but Ashi and Jack NEVER had a father/daughter/teacher/student bond. Before even knowing they hooked up they really had the vibe more allies. Then there's the age gap thing....Ashi is a legal adult and Jack can't age and it's not like they met at all w she was a child....?

Where I pull out the Antiship card in me is the moment a relationship is unambiguously a paternal one only for the the writers to realize "they aren't BIOLOGICALLY related" last minute swerve; OR when the legal age gap has some serious power imbalance based on how the older partner clearly acts parentalmentorly to their significant other. If Jashi were more like Lore Olympus or BatmanxBatgirl, believe me, it'd be a different story. I know where the antiJashi people are coming from is the thing because, while I love me some dumbydumby basic romance cuz I'm forever 12 and not interested in having my own partner --- I do think it'd be awesome to see a platonic bond between a non related a man and a woman once in awhile. I think, moreso than it being actually teacher/studenty, people were taken back by Jack and Ashi's platonic bond in that sense and disappointed by them having to hook up because that's what men and woman are guaranteed to do in a 5 foot radius every time according to tv n film writing.

ngl I'm nervous about Zootopia 2. I really like NickxJudy, yes even after the abortion comic. What I don't like is canon NickxJudy. I really really liked their bond that could be just as adorable as toxic besties to weird friends w benefits. I love imagining all possibilities...I really don't want confirmation. Don't ruin my headcanons DIDNEY!

#the straights are not okay #jashi #samurai jack #ashi samurai jack #shipping wank #shipping discourse

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pleasantspark · 2 years

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i will survive by Brxkxn_Fxxth

Fandoms: The Transformers (IDW Generation One)

Teen And Up Audiences

No Archive Warnings Apply

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Discussion of Abortion

Abortion

Based on that one 'Zootopia' comic

Name and all

This was a plot I had in my head for awhile now

I Stayed Up At 4AM To Write This

Summary:

a transformers rendition of the most infamous zootopia comic. you find out you were pregnant, you tell pharma, but it leads to a conflict to brew.

Series:

Part 38 of Transformers

Part 26 of Transformers MTMTE

"But it's important." You say.

"Is it important enough for me to get pulled away from my job?" Pharma asked.

"Yes." You replied.

Pharma sighs, "Can I atleast take a decontamination shower, before you decide to ruin my day?" Pharma asked.

"Fine, go ahead." You said, Pharma drops the datapad and you waited at the living room for Pharma to return back.

"Ah, nothing beats a brisk shower." Pharma says, plopping down on the sofa, "So what is it you want to tell me?"

"I'm pregnant." You said, simple and straight to the point. Pharma laughs.

"Oh, nice one (N/N). You're really pulling my tailpipe it's impossible for this to happ–" Pharma began before he noticed your eye twitching.

"Your eye's twitching... That means you're serious..." Pharma said, you nod slipping the test over to Pharma who looked over it.

"Oh! (Y/N)! You made me the happiest cybertronian alive!" Pharma said, picking you up and hugging you.

"Pharma– Put me down–!" You said. Pharma places you down, and wiped his tears away.

"Oh, sorry. I didn't hurt you did I?" Pharma asked.

"No, look. I decided I don't want the baby." You say, Pharma frowns.

"Why would you say that?" Pharma asked.

#transformers #transformers mtmte #mtmte idw #maccadam #mtmte pharma #pharma #idw pharma #mtmte pharma x reader #pharma x reader #idw mtmte #mtmte #. 💞 ; txt #. 💕 ; fanfiction.jpg

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eagleagle · 4 years

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Look look look I'm not one to get into discourse especially not such specific, Internet-based discourse...

But the Zootopia abortion comic kinda ekes me. I'm all about women's right to choose, the way Nick spoke to Judy was inexcusable, and I'm happy for Judy and her new girlfriend! Okay?

But the reason Judy got an abortion in the first place was because she was afraid that the baby would be a freak because it was hers and Nick's. And like the whole basis of the movie was that. Judy was white-coded and Nick was Black-coded. So that just. Yikes.

#discourse #zootopia #zootopia abortion comic #eagle caws

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memedocumentation · 6 years

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Explained: "I Will Survive” meme

Zootopia is a 2016 Disney animated film featuring anthropomorphic animals. The film features the odd-couple friendship between the rabbit Judy Hopps and the fox Nick Wilde.

In December 2017, it was discovered that there was a fan-made comic titled “I Will Survive” by William Borba that features Judy and Nick. The comic tells the story of how Judy breaks the news to Nick that she is pregnant. Nick is ecstatic to have a child together, but Judy states that she has plans to have an abortion.

(This tweet from 6 December 2017 pointed out the existence of the comic.)

The comic was originally posted on Deviantart (but a repost of the entire comic can be viewed on the Zootopia News Network here).

People started poking fun at the comic due to the overly dramatic storytelling and the ridiculousness of the idea of a rabbit becoming pregnant from a fox.

Although the comic has frequently been interpreted as being anti-abortion/pro-life, as pointed out by Know Your Meme, the comic’s artist claims that neither he nor the comic is pro-life.

As a meme, the “I Will Survive” comic has been fodder for many users who have made derivatives based on panels from the original comic.

Many memes have manipulated one scene in which Judy loses her temper and hits Nick (such as this post).

However, many other panels have also been used. In fact, one popular post manipulated the entire comic to be about Nick’s disappointment to find out from Judy that an Arby’s closed down.

Click here to see examples of the “I Will Survive” meme.

#I Will Survive meme #December 2017 #memes explained #abortion cw /

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the-musical-cc · 6 years

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I read that one Zootopia comic

Because I apparently like to make my brain go through appallingly STUPID situations just for the hell of it. Now I’m pissed and I gotta let it all out, here we go:

Judy discovers she’s pregnant, she tells Nick, Nick is over-joyed even though Judy told him the news with a clearly distressed face, so she has to break him the news that she doesn’t want to keep the baby. He gets HILARIOUSLY, over-the-top, un-Nick-like butthurt

I mean, carajo, I can hear the telenovela music in the back. Any minute now Virgen de Guadalupe’s gonna blow air on Judy’s face. This panel is probably trying to tell me how much pain her choice puts Nick in but honestly? It makes me laugh.

She proceeds to explain her reasoning to him -additionaly revealing they never even wore a condom or anything which just made me put my face into a pillow for three minutes hoping it would knock me out but it sadly didn’t work- and she actually has some pretty good reasons? Like her fear that the product might be bizarre, which is played out to be just her imagination running wild even though it’s a pretty legit thing to worry about? I mean, leaving aside the whole problematic with species discrimination portrayed in the film, rabbits and foxes are on completely different realms. I get cross-breeding happening between, say, a horse and a donkey, and producing a viable offspring that can share features from both the parents. In this case it honestly just raises a lot of questions I don’t think anyone is ready to answer, provided that they COULD.

Then, there’s the possibility that she might die of childbirth due to the fact that a fox’s baby would be too big for her. Which is kiiinda legit except that, girl, the damn fox already put his dick in you, you can’t really sell me the idea that the size difference poses any actual threat at this point, but OK for the sake of pretending any of this makes any fucking sense at all, I’m gonna say it’s a pretty good reason to say continuing the pregnancy is a bad idea. Nick’s response?

OH NO, HIS FEELINGS ARE HURT. HIS FEELINGS. She actually went and gave him her reasons and his response is ‘BUT HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THIS WILL AFFECT ME?’ If anything, this comic is highlighting the importance of talking this kinda thing with your partner early in on the relationship just in case he turns out to be a dickwaddle. Or to wear a condom. I think it’s the condom one.

But it turns out she has another reason, and that’s…wait for it….HER CAREER. That’s right, folks, Judy is the bad guy for wanting a career over a baby. Chingao. Nick calls her a baby killer and she slaps him, so he starts packing to leave her and among the panels we come across this jewel:

So, what I’m getting here is Nick is catholic and that’s why he’s being a dingdong? Nice.

Then Nick also stumbles on a pic of his mom…which for whatever reason is autographed? And makes him cry? I’m not sure what it means, is it ‘I have a mom so I resent the fact that you don’t wanna be a mom’??? And proceeds to use one of the most god-awful pro-life tactics, reminding her that she, in fact, was a fetus at one point and could have been as easily aborted and that his life would suck if it had been the case. OK, now Judy is responsible for your happiness? Go figure. So, OF COURSE, if she has an abortion, it means she could be potentially keeping a world-changing child from being born. If that isn’t bad enough, he says it in some of the absolute worse, cheesiest lines I have ever read. At this point, I snorted a line of Miguelito hoping it would at least put me in a coma. No such luck.

Judy, of course, being the villain in this comic, responds ‘My body, my rules’. Because…we’ve spent the comic dirtying the common pro-choice arguments, there was no way in hell we’d be missing that one. So he up and leaves with the lines ‘I will survive’ and a teardrop sliding down his face -just in case you hadn’t caught the subtle hint that we’re supossed to feel bad for him- clearing up the issue of whether he is prioritizing his feelings over anything else in this matter or not, and Judy is left mourning their dead love affair.

I’m- just- why??? Why did anyone think this was a good idea? Why? There are so many things wrong with this and the whole pro-life discourse isn’t even the worst. The worst is: There is no way these characters would be in this situation and provided that they were there is just no way you could make me believe this is how they’d act. Nick not giving a flying fuck about what Judy feels? Particularly in a topic where it affects her more than it does him? Nope. Judy losing her temper and slapping him over what is quite obviously an emotional response you could see coming a mile away? Nope. Actually, Judy slapping Nick at all? No. Nick casually brushing off the very real danger that the birthing could kill Judy?? Uh-uh. The fact that this whole drama could be avoided if only there were medical care in Zootopia, someone they could ask whether a fox-rabbit hybrid is viable or not, whether they should use contraceptives or not and, come the case, whether there is any way in which Judy wouldn’t die from pushing out the little spawn? IF ONLY ZOOTOPIA HAD DOCTORS. IT’S THE CITY WHERE ANYONE CAN BE WHATEVER THEY WANT, TURNS OUT NO ONE WANTED TO BE A DOCTOR SO YOU’RE SCREWED. Additionally, you can be whatever you want, as long as that doesn’t include ‘Not pregnant’, in which case you’re a horrible, horrible person and I hope your mailman eats you.

I won’t get into whether it’s in-character or not to have them be pro-life or pro-choice respectively because that is a very personal thing, but I feel like this is the Murphy’s law of fan-comics. Everything that could possibly be wrong with it is wrong. Even the fact that the art is so good contributes to the overall nightmareish feeling it gives you. I feel like the anecdote could maaaaybe be worth telling for a specific circle, but these characters certainly are not the right ones for it. The dialogue doesn’t fit them, the reactions are unlike them and there are even some parts that really make me wonder whether this person actually watched Zootopia or they reconstructed it based on memes. It’s just really, really BAD.

Comment section highlights: I just gotta share ‘cause I was fucking choking. As a general rule, I don’t normally think it’s right to comment on something you don’t like when you can just…NOT??? EVEN LOOK AT IT?? NOT GIVE IT ATTENTION LET IT DIE??? But by GOD, this one might just be bad enough to have it coming.

And my personal favorite

I’m done. Let unconciousness come for me, PLEASE.

#cc review #zootopia #a lot of cussing really i'm sorry i just got so pissed

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queernuck · 6 years

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So if we believe that “I Will Survive” is in fact not intended as a pro-life comic, and that instead it portrays a fundamental break in a relationship between Nick and Judy, one immediately begins to realize both the fundamental narratives evoked within, and moreover the ways in which these lead to a certain sort of exegesis of the weaknesses found in Zootopia as a site of allegorical convergence.

The specifically Catholic imagery that pervades the comic seems to lead to one sort of series of subjectivities which are evoked by a discussion of abortion: the way that culturally speaking, Catholicism relies in large part on cultural structure and continuity to realize itself, that Catholicism is in many ways distanced from its own actual practice. The number of self-identified Catholics is far higher than the number of people who fulfil what most would require as basic commitments to Catholic identity. Despite not attending Mass regularly, many Catholics are set in a series of cultural values that predispose them toward homophobia, sexism, anti-abortion ideology, anticommunism, so on. Conversely, more frequent churchgoers are often seen to be adherents of theory that puts a great deal of emphasis on “Social Justice” as a Catholic concept, not to mention the deep faith of leaders within communities transformed by liberation theology. The specifically Catholic character of Judy’s experience is thus one we can understand as complicated: she is religious enough to have what appears to be an icon of the Virgin Mary and Jesus, but is still living with Nick, having extramarital sex, living a life outside of Catholic teaching.

While Nick is not shown to have the same ties, he conversely feels much stronger about continuing the pregnancy. One could infer a similar relationship to religion, one founded upon a larger sense of morality and the Good as held in his previous lifestyle, one operating outside of morality as dictated by law, that specifically held the law in contempt as a standard for morality. Of course, this fits with an image of a Catholic couple rather well: a man who firmly feels that an abortion would be wrong, that he is ready to be a father, and a woman who knows that, on the other hand, she is not ready to be a mother. This is further developed by Judy’s understanding that, as the two are different species and according to the comic’s development of Zootopia’s biology, there is at least a reasonable degree to which she is warranted in worrying about complications from pregnancy. The way that this can be likened to “real” worries of the same sort, whether through the artifice of family history, personal health, whatever the origins may be, is part of the tension seen at a fundamental level in Catholic life: that of the woman whose body is not hers, who is likened to the Virgin Mary, sacrificing her own self for the good of the child, of the World, such that the child may live. This is indeed implied by Nick’s own discussion of the child, of the possible good, and indeed the expected good, the child will do. The continuation of their union is this child, is Nick’s trust in Judy as mother, as a figure like Mary as represented in his own mother in a sort of Oedipal turn.

Of course, Judy’s worry about the child also resonates with one of the weaknesses of Zootopia: the way that the fundamental tension of race in the narrative is, in fact, extricated from a dynamic that is literally predatory, that names itself as such, that leads to a point where we must make a turn much like that of Žižek on the notion of the neighbor, the separation we ask and in fact demand of the neighbor, the sort of assimilation into individuality and separation that the neighbor role implies. The predator-prey dynamic reflects numerous unstable and violent disparities of racial violence, in that the predator class is subjugated, but rightfully so, in that the tension grows out of a fear of the Other held specifically out of the image of the Other, of the violent body of the Other. This is, of course, implied by the Catholicism of the comic: the colonial relations created within Catholic culture, maintained through it, would allow a common moral structure to be supposedly held across bodies in tension, in disparity with one another. Judy fears the specific combination of prey species and predator species as creating a “freak” and the comic itself even notes that it is part of a wild imagination on her part, a sort of development of a eugenicist impulse borne out of racial violence, but one that the text of Zootopia seems to hold as at least possible, as a genuine worry.

This then raises the question of rights as structurally bound and conceived when articulated within a violent structure of encounter: what right then, is one’s own when predicated on violent concepts of the self, the body, so on? Can one create a positive concept of justifying an abortion based off of a notion of health based in a largely ideological, even surrogate-racial basis? The argument, the initial one expected out of a “pro-life” comic, that this would be wrong simply because abortion is wrong resonates far easier, even if it is not able to hold in relief of other ideas around abortion. That one, then, finds the question of holding access to abortion and reproductive care as an absolute principle when it can be used in order to realize violent ends, leads to the more intricate, far less easily-resolved issue of what motivations lie behind abortion, and how one can discuss these when they are so often articulated in language that explicitly requires the discussion of capitalist violence, colonial violence, violence based in creating abled and disabled bodies, all articulated within the sexed act of carrying a pregnancy to term.

If this, then, is the case then one would wonder why the ambiguity created by Nick’s apparently above-it-all distance, the eventual weight of the comic appearing to favor him, the way that the comic concentrates on his departure and the result of Judy striking him so dramatically, both in the moment and as a resonant theme within, downplaying the actual dynamic of domestic violence by a police officer in favor of an idealistic concept of parenthood, how this explores a certain question of what cohabitation and sexual intercourse within an already precarious relationship demands out of both partners: if one interprets the comic as being an exploration of these themes, rather than a comic against abortion, one is forced to reckon with both the weakness of Zootopia as a film, and enter into an even more troublesome development of these themes as proposed by “I Will Survive” as a work within Zootopia’s fan community.

#zootopia #i will survive #judy hopps #nick wilde #slavoj žižek

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fanblubbering · 6 years

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So the ““pro-life”” Zootopia comic is a meme now eh? Well I know this blog has been sleepy on the essays for a heavy minute but hey, guess I’ll give my two-ten cents on “I Will Survive”.

First let’s link to the original comic so people can actually read it in its entirety.

https://borba.deviantart.com/art/I-Will-Survive-01-669500569

All done? Cool. Heads up, I’m going to be Mr.Unpopular because I got positive things to say about the comic and critical things to say about our fandom but hey: what’s the use of running an anonymous blog talking about Zootopia if I’m not going to state my actual opinion?

I’ve been scrolling through Tumblr and unsurprisingly fans are very salty about it. Tumblr’s political compass being well known, I’ve seen a grand total of zero..ehh… pro-pro-life posts? And that’s not a problem: just humorous in the number of posts acting like there is a dialogue going on.

We got our “don’t make Zootopia political” posts and while I agree as I enjoy Zootopia as a foreign world in the same way I wouldn’t want the such topics intruding in Warcraft or Tolkien or any other fantasy setting: this fandom is the pot calling the kettle black with that proclamation. What they mean to say is “Don’t bring right wing politics into it.” I’ve spoken -at length- before about Zootopia’s message: yes it’s an important one, but it’s neither unique, nuanced, or exclusively belonging to one side of the political spectrum.

Still this is Tumblr and I’ve seen the characters become puppets for every left wing talking point under the sun to no detraction. These are the “important” and “controversial” topics to the audience but inevitably its preaching to the choir and so were totally expected in any given fan fiction/art and as such fail to actually be “controversial”.

While some put (more) blinders on and rag on its art style, a great factor in its gaining infamy is the fact it IS well this is so drawn. That it is not an un-skilled sonic style, how-to-draw crayon anime labor to push an agenda. The artist is skilled and the project, like it or not, shows intense effort and conviction to push through despite the overwhelmingly negative reaction. That much should be respected by everyone.

As for the topic itself: again this just shows what people really want. People claim they want “deep” and “intense” stories, but in truth people are satisfied with their no-drama boring coffee shop AUs all things considered. It’s understandable, people naturally hate being cruel gods to worlds they love but the stories are driven by conflict and thats what you found entertaining and fulfilling in the first place. This is, obviously, an emotional issue, I don’t even like the word “political” in this case. It seems more fundamental than that.

I’d really rather not talk about the elephant in the room but I’ll give my observations on the rants I’ve seen. (In)famous comedian Louis C.K had a special recently where he stated: “Abortion is either like taking a dump or committing murder” and its again disappointing but not surprising that people who talk of understanding all time not only fail but refuse to even try to comprehend the other side. Because even acknowledging there is some form of counter-argument is the equivalent of death to our monkey brains.

There is a reason Nick is a Catholic and talks of sin. Ultimately this isn’t an issue of science, it’s a matter of faith. If you believe in souls, odds are good that you believe souls are vested the moment conception. If you don’t, then odds are good you’re willing to push up personhood to some other point in development. And that’s it; playing science is merely an attempt of parley. With that line of reasoning it’s actually rather surprising there aren’t more bombings and shootings of clinics in the U.S, to think babies are being murdered casually every day. I dare say it’s even an odd rusty-medal testament to many a Christians’ non-violent conviction considering the reasons and frequency of terrorism from another abrahamic religion you might have heard of.

But let’s talk about this comic and its apparently pro-life lean.

That riiiiight, IT ISNT PRO-LIFE. And quite frankly that was obvious for anyone who approached it with a shred of objectivity. I’ve read much detraction for the apparently wonky dialogue and self-defeating argument, people failing to consider that perhaps presenting a fair representation of both sides of the argument was an intentional decision and the artist wasn’t actually trying to convince the audience of anything.

What we have is a story, a story with drama based around arguments that shatter real lives and relationships daily. Not every story needs a message, a moral, some lesson that needs to be preached at the audience. Someone goes hunting, they are lost in the woods, and they triumph and make it out: this can be a good story, even one of self discovery, but it doesn’t need to try and shift the opinions of the audience on anything in particular.

Nick wasn’t presented as right, he wasn’t presented as even sympathetic because you’re not supposed to take his side. Judy’s concerns about the child harming her or killing her, or detracting from her career are presented as valid because the artist didn’t intend for them to be invalid. There was not an obvious resolution because there wasn’t supposed to be. Something a real pro-life or pro-choice comic would have had. If pro-choice, Judy would have prospered and Nick would have fallen. If pro-life, we would have seen Judy facing harsh consequence.

In the end people have been shitting down this artist’s throat over nothing. Well, more precisely they’ve been raging monkeys because they thought she belonged to other side. So congratulations:

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favouritequeeronthecitadel · 6 years

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y’know when i come home from work and decide to check out what cat gifs and cullen-based crimes against humanity have landed on my dash, one thing i do not expect is to read the phrase “Zootopia abortion comic”

now i have to apologise @cheekywithcullen for any time I’ve accused them of being The Worst™

#abortion mention #cheekywithcullen #this fucking mess

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somecyn · 6 years

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So, About That Zootopia Pro-Life Comic.

Ok, I’m honestly impressed because it’s kinda old, but apparently it’s new for many people.

I read it months ago (Bad with dates, sorry) and checked some comments on Facebook, but just now I’m watching memes about it and critiques against it.

If you ask me my opinion... ugh, I really don’t like it.

This will sound weird but, I haven’t watched Zootopia and even with that I notice maaaaany issues.

Ok, maybe with that I can’t critique if Judy and Nick are out of character (Judy is kinda in but Nick’s totally out for most of the thing I guess), but I can tell the arguments the author’s giving for us to believe that abortion is wrong are... messed up (?). He/She points out that Judy “cares more for her career” and repeats that, I mean, there were other 2 arguments that I think are more valid but no, let’s just point the particular bad one to say “abortion is wrong” (Aside form the fact that we could have jumped this if they just used a condom for God’s sake). Besides, I don’t undestand why does Nick relations this with her mother (But like I said, I haven’t watched the film so, not going more over that).

And if we go to the art...*sigh* It’s not bad, the characters are well-drawn and all but... those “shocked” expressions are more funny that anything else (Especially Judy’s), and the shading, gradient tones and effects are just EXAGGERATED; in which moment I started reading a horror/shounen/psycological manga?

Usually, I let this things be and don’t care much about them, but my principal problem it’s that this comic was made with characters from a movie for kids. If you want to create a comic based on you ideologies, fine (Might critique it but I won’t stop you), but why do you need to use them? If it’s just for attention... man, we have a problem here. You could get more views, but that can’t change people’s thoughts.

On a side note, I hope some pro-life person is against the comic and tells the author, sometimes you only hear opinions from someone on your side.

#zootopia #opinion #zootopia pro life comic #oh man #i needed this out of my system

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lindyhunt · 6 years

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Jenny Slate Gets Candid About SNL, Chris Evans and Being Lonely in Our November Cover Story

If you’re a professional funny person, you’re always looking for the comedic potential in an experience. When you find it, you repeat and refine it and push the anecdote through a kind of standup puberty until it becomes a real, honest-to-God joke, complete with punchlines and buttons where there weren’t buttons before. But during that evolution, there can be some exploitative one-sided conversations, where friends are turned into audience members against their will.

Jenny Slate is sensitive to this. And so at the end of our photo shoot, she checks in with some of us, making sure that when she was telling her story, between shots, about a visit to a surprisingly hot dentist, she hadn’t made us feel used or uncomfortable. Bless her heart. I’m not convinced she has the ability to make someone feel uncomfortable—even if her subject matter isn’t always PG. When Slate speaks—whether it’s directly to you or simply around and at you—it feels like she’s bringing you into her confidence; in that moment, you are her friend and co-conspirator, marvelling with her at the raw comedy of life.

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She also asks if the story was funny. After we assure her that it was, she says she might use it as part of her set hosting an anniversary party for a popular feminist magazine tonight. I didn’t think to record the dentist story at the time, so here is a paraphrased version, based solely on memory (which is never the best way to hear a comedian’s work):

Slate goes to a new dentist, who is shockingly attractive. So attractive that she basically forgets why she’s there. Her brain instead decides that she is on a blind date or in the midst of a romcom meet-cute or something. He asks what he can help her with, and she’s all “Oh, whatever you want to do. It’s cool.” When they set up a return visit, she decides she’ll wear her cute underwear. You know, how you do when you’re taking care of your dental hygiene. Only then, when the day of her appointment comes, like Afroman before her, she gets high and totally forgets about her date.

She told it much better, but trust me: It’s a very funny story.

If Slate likes telling anecdotes in between shots, she loves wearing the clothes during them. It’s like each look inspires a role for her to play. An ’80s-inspired blazer by Stella McCartney, for example, transforms her into the kind of shoulder-padded shark that would intimidate Sigourney Weaver in Working Girl. “Where are my faxes! I fax and make stacks!” she calls out, miming a giant cellphone pressed like a brick against her ear. Of course, when it’s time to shoot, it’s all business.

The next day, we meet at a hotel bar in Brooklyn. She’s wearing a blank canvas: white overalls over a simple T-shirt. Her hair, possibly left over from the shoot she had that morning, is as flawless as a femme fatale’s. After ordering (roasted eggplant—“I would be so happy to have that” is how she asks for it), she gets up to hug one of the hotel employees finishing his shift. “That man is so nice to me,” she explains when she sits down again. “I stay here a lot.”

I ask her how the event went the night before. “It was OK, but it wasn’t what I wanted it to be,” she says. “I really should learn my lesson that I don’t like hosting. I like performing, but I really don’t like performing on a show that’s a mix of comedy and music.” She adds that her comedy is personal and that it’s like she’s having a conversation with the audience. “If I go up there,” she explains, “and tell a joke about how that dentist was hot and make a perverted but good-natured joke about him cleaning my teeth with his penis or whatever, and you’re there because you want to hear a feminist grunge-glam rock group, you’re going to be shocked. And I’m not there simply to be subversive. I reveal myself, and maybe push boundaries, but it’s always part of the very wide margins that I allow for myself so that I can be authentic in front of people and not feel like I’m tempering my experience so it will fit into a more normalized thing. It was still fun, but there wasn’t a way for me to connect with the room.”

“If I go up there and tell a joke about how that dentist was hot and make a perverted but good-natured joke about him cleaning my teeth with his penis or whatever, and you’re there because you want to hear a feminist grunge-glam rock group, you’re going to be shocked. And I’m not there simply to be subversive.”

I repeat this story to highlight a character trait that becomes immediately apparent while I’m speaking with her: What she likes, dislikes, wants and inevitably doesn’t want is a big part of Jenny Slate. Of course, it’s a big part of life, generally. What are we but the sum of our wants and interests? This means that the people who win at life are the people who have a preternatural clarity about those things and—this is essential—live their lives in religious accordance with them.

Probably more than she ever has, Slate seems to know what she wants; no wonder she’s killing it more than she ever has as well. “I’m more myself than I’ve ever been,” she says. “I enjoy my work. I enjoy my life. I enjoy myself. I’ve never been able to experience that holy trinity before. I have a very cool sense of gratitude and peace. I’m chock full of weird energy. I’m a lightning bolt you can shake hands with.”

Slate doesn’t inspire a cilantro-type binary. You don’t love her or hate her; you love her or you love her but don’t remember her name. Yet. (You know who she is. It’s just that you’re bad with celebrities and their names.) Mention Slate, especially among millennial women, and you’ll get a lot of “Ooh, I love her!” And as one who had beers (and roasted eggplant and an awkwardly robust pork sandwich) with her on a stiflingly hot afternoon in Brooklyn, I can testify that that is exactly the appropriate response.

Of course, the world being as partisan and angry as it is, there are people who aren’t on Team Slate. After all, she is a raging feminist who moved from the liberal mecca of New York City to live among the coastal elites in Hollyweird. And like a true snowflake, she will do infuriating things like acknowledge her privilege, admit to her own unconscious, socially ingrained misogyny and talk intersectional feminism as readily as your father talks about traffic. Not to mention she starred in a romantic comedy where abortion was a major plot point—and not in a negative way!

That film, Obvious Child, is an important inflection point for Slate. One of many, actually. After building a healthy, if local, standup career with her comedy partner, Gabe Liedman, Slate landed her dream job at Saturday Night Live in 2009. But she only lasted one season.

It almost feels lazy to include the SNL setback in her narrative, because almost 10 years later it seems so incidental. Only, of course it wasn’t to her. It was a lesson that helped her gain clarity about what she wanted. “After working at SNL, I remember thinking that nothing will ever be that hard again,” she says. “And I do still talk about it because it was such a dream and then it was not what I expected. And the worst part is that you’re like, ‘Am I just being bitter that I didn’t cut the mustard?’ But looking back on it, no. I had to understand that as much as there are so many opportunities for joy, there are a lot of bad deals out there.”

“The worst part is that you’re like, ‘Am I just being bitter that I didn’t cut the mustard?’ But looking back on it, no. I had to understand that as much as there are so many opportunities for joy, there are a lot of bad deals out there.”

Almost immediately after SNL, Slate and her then husband and creative partner made a little stop-motion animated video of a tiny talking shell, wearing sneakers, that exploded. “Marcel the Shell with Shoes On,” which is adorable and hilarious, gave her viral fame, the chance to write a bestselling book and creative freedom. But referencing it now also kind of feels like insisting on talking about Nirvana with Dave Grohl.

Besides Marcel, Slate is known for her work in Zootopia, Bob’s Burgers and Big Mouth, but it was Obvious Child that made people realize how skilled a performer she is: vulnerable, funny, smart and perfectly believable. Entirely real and completely herself while still, you know, acting. Slate credits this film, which talks frankly about abortion, with inspiring her feminist awakening.

Now, Slate is trying on a big comic book blockbuster. She’ll be wearing glasses and a lab coat in Venom. The role won’t earn her an Independent Spirit Award, but that wasn’t the point. “I love making indie films, and the more I work, the more I hope I can work with directors I admire,” she says. “But I also wanted to see if I could do work like this and if it would satisfy me. I think it’s really stupid to be pretentious. It’s like it’s jocks versus art. The people who make these movies and the actors who are in them work really hard and are making art.”

“I think it’s really stupid to be pretentious. It’s like it’s jocks versus art. The people who make these movies and the actors who are in them work really hard and are making art.”

Of course, speaking of jocks and superheroes, there’s one more reason people might know Slate. It’s a big part of her “True Hollywood Story,” but even more than SNL, it feels silly—maybe even a bit sexist?—to mention: For about a year, she dated Chris Evans.

It’s always awesome to define a woman by who she dates. But with Slate you feel like she’s your new best friend. And when your best friend starts dating Captain America…well, it’s like Meghan Markle becoming a princess. It’s not rational, but it’s like a curtain parts and the banality of fame is momentarily exposed: Celebrities become real, and life is charged with lottery-winning possibility. Plus, it’s just like, “Damn, you take that, girl.”

When we were kids, my sister and I started recognizing a trope in the shows we watched. We called her the Have You Ever Thought Girl. She was, and remains, similar to what would years later be labelled a Manic Pixie Dream Girl, only she was never concerned with rescuing a male character. The Have You Ever Thought Girl was always the lead. She was Anne of Green Gables or Vada in My Girl. The archetypal HYETG is always balancing on a fence next to a shy farm boy or lying platonically beside him on the grass, staring at the stars. “Have you ever thought,” she begins, usually with a slight British accent, before laying out some absolutely absurd theory, “that every star is a crumb from one giant solar cookie, and if we could follow them, we’d find that God is really terribly messy?”

Slate might just be the real-world incarnation of the Have You Ever Thought Girl, only grown up and full of real wisdom. Slate often peppers her speech with phrases that feel too poetic to be improvised. Only, I’m sure they are. It’s just rare to talk to someone who is as creatively extroverted as she is introspective and has seemingly removed all the clutter and criticism between her heart, her head and her mouth.

I ask her about loneliness, which seems to pop up in a lot of her interviews. It’s her nemesis—hated but also maybe essential. “It’s like I have so much I want to be able to give,” she says. “It builds up in me—it’s like colours or light that has to come out. I feel swollen with myself, and I need to be able to shine out.” “It almost sounds positive,” I say.

“Oh it’s very positive; it’s weirdly, achingly beautiful,” she says, leaning back in her chair, arms folded, but somehow not closed off. “But also, I don’t fetishize it. I don’t like being lonely, but I’ve learned to accept it. I would much rather be lonely and missing the man I love than be with a man or a bunch of men who don’t do it for me. I’m so lucky to love really hard.”

Have you ever thought…

“I don’t like being lonely, but I’ve learned to accept it. I would much rather be lonely and missing the man I love than be with a man or a bunch of men who don’t do it for me. I’m so lucky to love really hard.”

Which brings us back to where we started, where the crew has gathered around Slate to listen to her tell a story that can’t be appreciated in a 10-minute set between musical acts. Here we’re caught, like happy deer, in the light that’s beaming out of her as she describes exactly how hot her dentist was. She’s the centre of attention, but it’s not because she’s performing. Not exactly.

“Standup helps with it [loneliness], but so does just going outside,” she explains as the waiter delivers the bill, right before we both check the time and realize we’re both late for something. “I alleviate my loneliness not from accomplishing some big feat, like going on a date and getting someone to admire me. I walk around the reservoir where I live to see other people’s faces. I smile at strangers. That’s all I need to do. I also need to prove it to myself every day, not because I lose faith quickly but because faith needs maintenance and that seals the deal for me. I smile at a stranger. They smile at me. I’m good.”

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