what if we're just getting it all wrong and shipcourse is actually a free shipping vs paid shipping thing

Which side are you fighting for?

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I found this rather interesting study about antis in fandoms

https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1309&context=jj_etds

key points:

Antis skew very young

adult antis are mostly no older than 23 (though older ones do exist)

they practice an in group vs our group mentality

to make sure people stay IN the group, they’re constantly hyper vigilant around each other

as such they will go against each other the moment they don’t meet the group’s (impossible to meet) “standards”

the main hate is centered on platforms where hate is boosted through algorithms (such as Twitter/tiktok)

they’re obsessed with sexual grooming, pedophilia and “morality”

anonimity online allows people to disassociate = it makes it easier to be hateful to people

There are very few studies done on antis but I do feel like they’re closer to a cult or huge echochamber

Oh wow, this study is really fascinating. It's very rare to find studies that actually use the term "anti-shipper" rather then dance around it, preferring to call them pro-censorship folks or whatever.

I read about 20 pages of this before i got distracted but its a very fascinating read for anyone who wants to check it out.

"I purposefully went looking for this thing and now I'm gonna be mad about what I found" okay but why are you making your issues my problem

i just want to make it so clear that youtube is the place where i found my both favorite and least favorite example of how shipcourse has breached containment

like bro you are on youtube, you're lucky if someone even wants to read your description bc it was in the description of a gacha react video.

I hate shipping discourse but

I see so many antishippers say "Oh we're the normal ones" but then post shit like "to any proshipper reading this I will eat your teeth, tie you to the front of my car and drive head on into a brick wall"

I'm sorry but I don't think you're normal sir what the fuck

Dear Antis, stop blaming proshippers for the "problematic" content that children may read or be """exposed""" to, maybe... just maybe, you should actually focus on parents.

Where the hell are kid's parents?!

The parents are the irresponsible ones for not taking good care of their children and supervise them as they should, not the writers because a child found their fic, JUST saying...

A reminder that fandom was literally MADE as a safe space to go wild and play around with fictional characters. So go do that. Go ship what you wanna ship, go headcanon what you wanna headcanon, fictional characters are fiction. As long as you aren’t hurting real people with it, it’s a-okay.

girl what.

i have many thoughts about this, so i'm going to put them all here since i don't want to harrass anyone.

so first, you decided to play a game that is very much known for being a horror game about inc3st, demon summoning, murder, and cannibalism.

you then were completely okay with everything but the inc3st. if i used anti logic, that would mean you would be okay with all those other things.

also i'd like to see exactly where in the game it says to go partake in inc3st in real life.

yeah, i know it doesn't say anywhere not to, but it definitely doesn't say that about the other topics in the game either.

also, the game itsself is about horror. it's a horror game. you're mad about a horror element. a horror element in a horror game.

another thing is that whole "one digital crime is way worse than another" bullshit, which i physically can't understand. it's... not real life??

seriously, it is not real. it's literally fake. they are not real people. and anybody who ships them knows that they aren't real people.

it also doesn't affect the real world. how does me liking a game hurt you? how does me liking a ship hurt you? how does this affect anyone in any way?

"oh well people will go and commit inc3st in real life if-" no. no we literally won't. just because i consume d3ad d0ve content does not mean that i want those things to happen in real life.

and yes, maybe there are some people out there who want those things to happen in real life, but not me. and not most people.

i know the person who said this won't ever come to their senses, because people who are against inc3st were in the comments explaining how gross it is, but how it's not real and shouldn't affect them, and they kept saying stupid shit like "okay so yeah you like inc3st, bye."

i really want to know what can make someone like this. honestly, from what i've personally seen, people who are against proship on main are secretly proshippers on an alt.

honestly, i think antis are so weird. if you don't like something, just get over it?

like seriously, i blocked this person almost immediately, because i didn't want to see an anti on my feed. it's really not that hard to just ignore things.

and even if you still hated people who like the game, then you could make a post that is tagged with being anti and talk about exactly what you think makes it harmful.

but the thing is, this person did not tag this post correctly, and when asked to do so, said "i already did" like no. you didn't. take your anti ass back to the antis tags and grumble and groan about fictional crimes that don't affect you and free speech being so wrong where i don't have to hear you.

you can keep talking about the shit that you want, just do it in a space where i can't hear you.

people like this are honestly so ignorant.

I’ve seen some antis try to argue that proshippers can’t listen to artists who are antis. And even if we ignore how little sense that makes..

Aren’t these the same people who listen to Lana del Rey after she turned out to be a zionist? To Melanie Martinez after she has rape accusations? To Taylor swift after dating a teenager and actively participating in global warming?

If they’re allowed to support these people after doing bad things in the REAL world, why can’t we listen to music artists based off what we enjoy in fiction?

Separate the art from the artist goes both ways, and that includes if they disagree with your opinions on fiction.

Antis are actually so strange to me

Like their morals are so fragile they have to recite to themself that they're morally pure and superior and uwu uwu all that shit

Like I'll read someone's carrd and it'll be all "proshitters DNI" and right below it, it says "I enjoy problematic media BUT I AM CRITICAL OF MY INTERESTS I DO NOT CONDONE IT IRL I AM CRITICAL OF MY INTERESTS..."

Like are you really?

The more I hear antis say they're "critical of their interests," the more I begin to doubt they actually are critical of their interests...

It's like those "sigma alpha males" I see everywhere saying "I enjoy cooking" and then go "I MEAN GRILLING BECAUSE GRILLING IS WHAT THE MEN DO 🦅🦅🛻🥾🔥♂️♂️🏋️‍♂️"

...like you OK, bud?..

okay after hearing y'alls explanation on what proshipping vs antishipping is... I'm assuming no one over the age of 18 actively participates in this discourse. also proshippers immediately jumping to defend depictions of p3do relationships are genuinely insane. just have an edgy conservative phase at 17 like every other socially maldjusted white person growing up... like damn... really had to one up the rot?

How can I express that people saying the “proship vs antiship fandom discourse is useless” and the “proship and anti labels are stupid/useless” makes me want to roll my eyes so far back into my head that I actually get to see what’s inside there without making it seem like I’m trying to start a fight?

because like I get it, I really wanna say this discourse is stupid and pointless and that the “proship” and “antiship” labels should have never been created but unfortunately people’s lives have been ruined thanks to this “discourse” so I don’t think it’s as “pointless” as some people make it out to be.

like…i don’t know what to say other then…cool. Your think the proship and antiship labels are pointless. Cool, you think this discourse is pointless. You want a cookie for reaching that conclusion?

first antis say that they are against bullying, but then they go to wish death to minors for fiction.

they say they are "protecting children", but in the end these same children are being bullied. yes, antis, you "protect" children. But pixelated, not real.

and, honestly, it really annoys me. it just pisses me off. It's disgusting.

Stop getting envious over things you’ll never be or nor will ever have. This is about us personally 💕

Not all of us hate being a minority. I personally love my actual ADHD, my actual GAD, my actual OCD, my actual PTSD, my actual Dyscalculia. and actual queerness! What we hate is when you try and become us and take our resources. Like Capitalism is already a struggle for us, don’t make it worse by taking things. Our struggle is real, and a constant battle. Just because we had to battle for the spot we have today doesn’t mean we hate what we battled for. And as much as you claim to understand us, or relate to us, you’ll never know how it feels to walk outside and wait for police to brutalize you. Or waiting for laws that say “Oh well, you’re ugly to us now! Soo… never go outside again!” or for people to hurt you for being actually a minority. Unlike us, who can’t choose to take off the things that make us minorities when things get rough YOU CAN! You may want to be us but you’ll never be us. Unless of course, God suddenly comes down and is like “Sure!!1” or I mean, you actually become disabled from things you can’t control like an illness or something else. But ig you Transableds and transracers will just have to pray for that—

Anyways.

Actual black people are beautiful

Actual Queer people are beautiful

Actual Asians are beautiful

Actual Non-white people are beautiful

Actual disabled and neurodivergent people are beautiful (even if you are self diagnosed! Self diagnosed ≠ “Transabled/Transneurodivergent”)

I don't think a lot of people realize that purity culture often leads directly to racism IRL.

You think explicit graphic violent fics should be censored from AO3? Okay, understandable. But by that logic -

Do you think explicit graphic rap music should be banned from the radio?

Do you think Black people who listen to violent rap music are inherently more violent?

And that the art form is a reflection of them and their behaviors?

Do you think Black people who don't listen to rap music are more stable and deserving of trust than black people who do?

The same way you think people who don't read a certain type of fanfiction are more stable and deserving of trust?

How far does it go?

I listen to rap music that talks about guns, dealing drugs, killing, and gangs.

All my life I've been told that listening to that either 1) reflects a 'true nature' of hidden internal violence or 2) graphic rap music is actively hurting me and should not be played around children.

I grew up with FOX news telling us that rap music should be banned. For being too graphic, too violent, too vulgar.

There are places in the world were black music is restricted and censored for it's vulgarity - drill rappers have been under police surveillance in the past, given court orders that monitor the production and release of their music.

Is that okay? Is that right?

Should this form of black expression not exist? Does it reflect badly on the people who listen to it? Should it be censored, from radios and apps - or even outlawed?

Someone reads and writes graphic, violent, vulgar fanfiction - and you judge them.

I listen to graphic, violent, vulgar rap music - so does everyone else in my neighborhood.

What do you think of us?

Purity culture has been weapon against marginalized communities since the dawn of time.

This isn't a declaration of side, or a show of support on anything. This is not an attack.

This is an invitation and an opportunity for you to reflect on how your views translate to the world IRL.