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pinkrasberryfish · 3 months

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So…

The dynamics of ships… why is Elriel a good fit for the ACOTAR series? Why is it just as intriguing and beautiful as Feysand or Nessian? I’ve written hours and hours of Elriel fan fiction, exploring dynamics and tropes, and I feel like I’ve barely scratched the surface of their potential.

It’s established that our High Lady is a fighter. Feyre can physically fight for herself. She beat the Weaver which showed her mate that she was worth of the engagement ring and fought the Wyrm while her mate watched. She defended the Rainbow. She even won the war with Hybern through fighting. There are countless times where Rhys has sat back and let his girl go out swinging.

Then we have Nesta. Nesta is feisty and learns to fight for herself. She wields the mask, becomes a Valkyrie, and even goes through the Blood Rite. Cassian didn’t swoop in and save her… he let her fight.

Now Elain. Our girl needed rescuing. She did not fight her way out of the Hybern camp through cunning and brute strength. Azriel swooped in and saved her. And you best believe if she had been plunked into the Rite, Azriel would have come and saved her immediately. She is never incited on physical fighting missions like the Battle of Adriata and the closest she has gotten to blood was stepping out of shadow to stab the King of Hybern.

Now.

Does that make you uncomfortable? Does Elain needing help make you think less of her? Is she weak because she’s not like her sisters? Is that why everyone is wanting another story with a Valkyrie falling in love with a bat boy?? Because our other heroine is too weak and needs to be shipped off to a controlling high lord in spring ??????

This is what frustrates me.

Physical protection and physical fighting is not the only way to show strength.

Nesta was WRECKED after the Cauldron. She was self-destructive and cruel. Elain seemed to struggle but eventually healed through her hobbies and natural processing of everything. Even the loss of her fiancé, she recovered from. She is mentally strong.

Feyre too, has had moments of weakness. She could have physically run out of that wedding, but her mental bondage kept her walking down the aisle. Rhys had to intervene and save her in her moment of desperation. Elain could be walking down an aisle to Lucien right now, but she’s not. She’s choosing her own path and showing mental strength.

The fact that Azriel has rescued Elain physically and the fact that she cannot fight does not make her a less powerful or valuable female. Measuring women by their ability to perform historically-masculine acts is misogyny. She does not need to conform to the masculine power standard of 90’s feminism to be worthy of her own bat boy.

The beautiful thing about Elriel is that they have both been cast aside, despite being loyal to their core, Azriel to Mor for centuries and Elain to a gross human loser who broke her heart. They love even when it hurts. Even when it’s not reciprocated.

This dynamic feeds into their bond beautifully because in each other, they find what they’ve always needed—someone who wants them and sees them and chooses them above everything else.

Azriel will always physically protect Elain and champion her mental and emotional needs, but I believe Elain has the power to save Azriel too; to open up a side of life for him where he is desired and love— where he is protected and listened to and nurtured. A place where someone chooses him above everything else.

This is why Elriel is just as beautiful as Feysand or Nessian. It’s not unequal and Azriel doesn’t need a Valkyrie to “match his strength.” Elain is already strong.

#elriel #elriel forever #pro elriel #elain archeron #elriel supremacy #pro elain #elain x azriel #elain #pro azriel #azriel and elain #Elriel thoughts #Elriel rants

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olenvasynyt · 2 months

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One thing I did not like about the Azriel bonus chapter, and one thing that turned me off from Elriel in general, was how he sees Lucien. He says that Lucien “will never be good enough for Elain” and it fully ready to fight him in a blood duel something Lucien would NEVER call for btw.

I think these negative thoughts about Lucien stem from a mix of jealousy (because he says he cannot stand the smell of their mating bond), Lucien as a Vanserra and having Eris as a brother, and from his association with Tamlin. All of these can be sort of understandable if Az didn’t know Lucien and interact with him often. Lucien reports to him bi-weekly, he comes to the solstices. And anyone can see that Lucien is a good male who is respectful.

And in ACOWAR, Lucien knew that Az is the torture and spymaster of the Night Court. And let’s not forget that the Night Court and the inner circle have showing themselves as evil to the rest of Prythian for hundreds of years. And when we see Lucien think about Az for the first time, he says he’s a decent male.

Lucien doesn’t hold anything against Az. Lucien doesn’t make assumptions. But Azriel does. And this immediately turned me off from Elriel because I think Lucien is currently the better male than Az is.

#Dana rant #strong opinions #pro lucien vanserra #anti elriel #LUCIEN DESERVES BETTER

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the-darkestminds · 1 month

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“Elain actually wants Azriel! They already have strong feelings for each other!”

Okay. So now what? Their book starts with them already on the verge of falling in love (ridiculous lol) and to deal with this they do…what? If Feyre learned that they love each other, she would never be okay with Rhys forbidding them from being together. It would take a single conversation between Feyre and Rhys to clear this up. And sjm has repeatedly let us know that Lucien is more courtier than warrior. There would be no blood duel. Also, as Rhys said, it’s illegal in his lands, and Elriels are adamant that Elain WILL NOT leave the Night Court, so they’d be protected by that law.

But say Azriel ignores Rhys’s order, and Lucien invokes the blood duel and Rhys allows it to happen. We are told Azriel would destroy Lucien with “little effort.” So now Lucien’s dead…and apparently Elain is fine with this. Does Beron declare war on the Night Court? And is Eris no longer their ally, even though we’ve yet to see them truly working together? Beron is already an enemy, so we don’t need that extra reason for him to fight against the NC. Vassa and Jurian would turn on the IC but they have no forces to command right now, so not sure what they could really do about it. Does the Spring Court remain desolate indefinitely because there’s no one left to care about it? I’m genuinely trying to wrap my head around how this could play out but I’m struggling to see it.

Say they do decide to sneak around for a bit until Elain and Lucien “mutually” reject the bond. What happens then? The scene with Cassian and Eris at the very end of ACOSF told us what to expect for the next book:

“Koschei remains in play, and Beron might very well be stupid enough to establish an alliance with him, too.”

Beron and Koschei. How does Elriel play into that? Elain has visions of Koschei, so she could fit into this plot line. But is Azriel more connected to Beron and Koschei than Lucien? Lucien has a connection to Vassa, who is enslaved by Koschei’s curse. And all of Prythian still believes Beron to be Lucien’s father. Plus, there’s Eris’s plot to overthrow Beron. We learned that Lucien and Eris are on speaking terms again. Sjm has left several hints that Eris cares for Lucien and has secretly protected him. So there’s potential for a reconciliation between them. But I fail to see how Azriel fits into this story in an interesting way, aside from being useful in a fight. Will Elain and Azriel take on Koschei and Beron while Lucien happily assists them?

Say they’ve defeated Koschei and Beron, Elain and Azriel are happy, Lucien is still tied to Elain but ultimately they are fine to go their separate ways. What’s the next book about? Vassa and Lucien falling in love? She’d be free from her curse by then, and we know she desperately wants to return to her people. Or maybe this happens in the “Elriel book” as well. So if Azriel and Elain’s story is concluded, AND Lucien’s story is tied up, what’s next? A full length novel about Emerie and Mor?

I’m just not seeing it. Are you?

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kopfkino-o · 7 months

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Disclaimer: I’m about to go off on a geometric rant so idk. Also this a pro-Elriel post ✌🏼

But, I can’t help but feel like…

SJM solidified Elriel when she decided to write Nessian. Two sisters are with two brothers. The third brother not ending up with the third sister is like a puzzle missing it’s final piece. A disruption in the pattern deeply prevalent throughout the entire series. Three trials. Three mountains. Three Death Gods. Three feet to the Cauldron. Three is a number of fate. A holy number. A pattern. And tell me, does this match said pattern:

Two brothers and two sisters.

One brother and [insert red-head of choice].

It lacks balance. And, interestingly enough, we learn about a symbol of balance in HOSAB:

“A six-pointed star,” Ithan said […] “It is a symbol of balance,” She explained, moving away… “Two intersecting triangles, male and female, dark and light, above and below… and the power that lies in the place where they meet.”

Now back to the world of ACOTAR. Where can we find two interesting triangles [see: a set of three, three “points”]? The three Archeron sisters. And the three batboys.

Feyre and Rhys: The Leaders, or top of the Triangle. High Lady and High Lord. “Love me.” Night Triumphant and the Stars Eternal.

Nesta and Cassian: The Warriors, one side of the triangle’s base. Lady Death and the Lord of Bloodshed. “Touch me.” The General of the Illyrians and the Commander of the Valkyries.

Elain and Azriel: The Spys, the second side of the triangle’s base. The Seer and the Shadowsinger. “Sing me.” Death and the Lovely Fawn.

Together they are the foundation of the six-pointed star. They are a part of balance. An intersecting of power. Elain’s story is tied to her sisters. It’s tied to the third mountain. To the Night Court whose sigil is literally three stars. It’s tied to her transitioning from the trembling fawn to the fang beast. And her story, like both her sisters, is tied to a bat boy.

SJM made the bed with the three brothers x three sisters trope with Nessian. It only makes sense, or shall I say is rather obvious, that she will move forward and complete the pattern, achieving balance.

That’s all, your honor. I rest my case.

#not me ranting about triangles and threes lol #but you can’t tell me this doesn’t make sense #the symmetry isn’t cheesy or cliche #it’s literally a part of the pattern #THE PATTERN I TELL YOU #elain and azriel #pro elriel #Elriel

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fangirlforlife97 · 3 days

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ACOTAR's Rant That's Been Long Overdue!!!! BEWARE AND MY BAD, ITS A LONG ONE.

I won't lie it's been a long while since I've read the books and I still haven't read ACOSF yet (or if I even will?!) But over the years I've changed my opinion on alot of things concerning the books and fan pairings, etc. And lately I've had the urge to re look over ACOTAR content on tumblr and I finally decided to make this post. One I've been meaning to for awhile!

I want to start out by saying that I absolutely loved "A Court of Thorns and Roses" and Feylin, I finished that book in one night. I couldn't wait to read more of their story and learn more of this world SJM had created. Went into the series before it exploded on Tik - Tok or wherever so I went in without spoilers. Like I said I was looking forward to reading more but I also simultaneously had a sneaking suspicion that SJM was gonna try to give Feyre a new love interest and it did not sit well with me at all!! I kept saying or thinking things like "she better not give Feyre a new love interest" "she better not mess up Feylin", and that's exactly what she did!!

She "villainzed" or tried to anyways, Tamlin. I'm not gonna lie I got really irritated, and even though it wasn't Tam's fault how things played out I was kind of upset with him. I never hated him though and even though I hated the idea of a new love interest - with time I grew to greatly enjoy them. I read all of the books and considered them to be some of my favorite books, I even shipped Elriel hardcore while also shipping Elucien and also lowkey Nessian (before ACOSF). With time I fell into the delusion of Elriel, Nessian, Feysand and The Inner Circle, of the series in general. By the end of ACOWAR though even though I liked Feysand - I was getting kind of tired of reading about them and was looking forward to and wanting a different pairing to take center stage.

Subconsciously at times I think I did realize how toxic and awful Feysand and parts of the Inner Circle was etc, but it didn't register til later on. It's like I glossed over it cause I was sooo "entralled" with the series and character's. I was delulu about alot of things, about my liking for Feysand, my hardcore fangirling over Elriel, etc.

I was the biggest shipper of Elriel, I wanted them together so bad and the idea of them not getting together - I thought it would depress me out. Insane ik. Like before I became a hardcore Elriel shipper I shipped Elucien and was liking and hoping for their endgame until we started getting more Elriel content. Then my love for Elriel overshadowed that of Elucien. I was obsessing about anything relating to Elriel and couldn't wait for any possible clues or interactions in ACOSF pertaining to an Elriel endgame. There was even gonna be a pov from Azriel (he was my favorite batboy) and I was really excited. Then ACOSF came out and so did the spoilers. I hadn't gotten my hands on a book yet but the curiosity was too strong, so I went on tumblr to see what had been posted, etc.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . To say I was shocked was an understatement. It was the fastest death of a love pertaining to a fan pairing and character. I'm a fangirl, fangirling is what I do. I get overenthusiastic about tv shows and movies and bonds between characters. I was so disgusted by Azriel's pov, it was very unexpected. Like yes I imagine there would be some lustful thoughts or whatever but this is the first time we are getting his pov and you give us that! I had a certain idea of how I thought of Elain and Azriel and I loved it and the symbolism etc but what I read or found out totally ruined the idea I had of them. How I thought of them. Even the idea of liking them. Now I sincerely hope they don't end up together and she hopefully gets with Lucien and gets out of the Night court and away from the Inner Circle and Feysand. I've grown to ship and love Elucien the way I did Elriel before Az's pov.

I even really like and love the idea of Tamlin and Elain or Elain x Lucien x Elain. I feel like even though ACOTAR was supposedly a Beauty and The Beast retelling, Elain seems more like Belle to me, in look wise and gentleness anyways. And she would be so good with Tamlin and his healing even though I'm also a hardcore Elucien girly. I'd be so happy with either Elucien, Tamlain or Elucien x Tamlain x Tamlucien (whatever their ship name is!?)

In terms of Nessian. I always liked Nessian, I wasn't super hardcore about them like I was Elriel, Elucien, Feylin but I still really liked them or saw their potential too. But then I started hearing about things pertaining to Nessian and Nesta's character in ACOSF and I even heard things such as them ruining Nesta's character and bowing to Rhys, etc. Like maybe they ruined her character for the sake of Feysand or something?! And even though I already dislike what I'm hearing about Nessian, I still plan to read ACOSF even though it's gonna be a struggle re reading the series with how much I've grown to dislike Feysand, Rhysand, The Inner Circle, Elriel, etc. I almost don't want to re read the series with how annoyed I've grown about them, may take me some time but I will at some point in time. I'm in no rush though but I would be looking forward to re read ACOTAR.

Cassian is a shitty mate from what I've been hearing and that makes me start to dislike him too. Even though I have yet to completely make up my mind about Nessian til after I read ACOSF, Cassian is on thin ice. Not gonna lie though I kind of wish and hope Nessian aren't endgame because of what I've heard, even though I have yet to read ACOSF. I feel like Nesta deserves better and it might be an unpopular opinion but I think Nesta and Tamlin would be an absolutely freaking perfect endgame or pairing!!!!!!!??

Nesta and Tamlin both were given the same completely unfair, ridiculous, disgusting hate or treatment by the author and fandom. They both need healing, and could be the people who heal each other?! Even though Elain gives Belle vibes from her looks and gentleness, she doesn't have the most important Belle factor that Nesta does. NESTA LOVES BOOKS!! Could Nesta be the actual Belle to Tamlin's or ACOTAR Beauty and the Beast Retelling??!!!! Idk but I think Nesta and Tam would be way better than Cassian and Nesta.

I feel like the author has made her batboys too hornified and has sexualized her romantic pairings to the point she's ruining them!! Smut is fine in a book but when it's overdone and it's all a relationship is, it's not a pairing worth rooting for and it's kind of disgusting. I'd rather have a slow burn, cliche, romantic couple or pairing with few smutty scenes than a pairing that's too over sexualized and has multiple, constant, sex scenes. Other possible unpopular opinions:

- Tamlin is 100% more likable and better than Rhysand. Tamlin isn't without his flaws but the double standardization between Tamlin and Rhysand is incredibly unfair and unwarranted. Tamlin gets way too much hate for a character in a series filled with many other/worse flawed characters.

- Tamlin doesn't need a redemption arc, he needs a healing arc. He deserves a happy ending and love too!! I hope his court is replenished and flourishes.

- SJM character assassinated Feyre and others for the sake of Feysand, Rhysand and The Inner Circle.

- The ACOTAR series is filled with inconsistencies, double standards, etc.

- ACOTAR was the best book!!

- The Inner Circle, Batboys, Rhysand, and Feysand is highly overrated.

- Feyre deserves better.

- SJM should backpeddle on the smut and focus on building up of relationships and focusing on the romance. Stop using smut as an excuse for plot!

- Elain, Lucien, and Nesta need to get out of the Night Court and away from the Inner Circle and Feysand. (Feyre should too but that definitely won't happen!) They need their own story plots with story progression that doesn't involve the Night Court, Feysand, and The Inner Circle.

- Nesta and Tamlin should be endgame or an option at the very least. THE POTENTIAL!!!!! 😭❤️✊

- Rhysand is the villain of the series. It would be the greatest twist but also wouldn't be a twist because there's heavy evidence of him being a villian and manipulating those around him.

- Theory that Rhysand has been mind controlling Feyre the whole time!!

- There should be more focus on the other lands and courts.

- An Elucien novel should have nothing to do with the Night Court or Inner Circle or Feysand. I'm so tried of other ships and character's revolving heavily around Feysand, the Inner Circle, and the Night Court. Not everything is about them!!

#acotar #anti sjm #anti elriel #anti feysand #anti inner circle #anti nessian?!#pro tamlin #tamlin #nesta archeron #elain archeron #lucien vanserra #feyre archeron #sorry if this rant is a mess haha #elucien #tamlain #nesta x tamlin #tamlin x nesta #elucien x tamlain x tamcien

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viridianevergarden · 2 months

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“He brought you a present.”

“And that entitles him to my time, my affections?”

“But he is a good male.”

“And that entitles him to my time, my affections?”

“He cares for you.”

“And that entitles him to my time, my affections?”

No. No it doesn’t.

He could be a Saint and it still wouldn’t.

I’m tired of people glorifying this guy and ignoring what he’s done too.

I’m tired of people saying “she needs to give him a chance!”

She does not.

She doesn’t want him. It’s obvious.

The irony of people dick riding the whole entitlement schpeel regarding Az but when it’s L and E all the sudden he is entitled to her affections because he’s a “nice guy.”

I’m sorry I’m a little heated lol. This isn’t meant to be taken too seriously.

But at the same time it is.

#Apologies this is a rant #elriel #pro elriel #pro elain #i thought it was obvious #anti e/ucien #I won’t lie I’m growing to dislike Lucien more by the day because of others #and I know I’m not supposed to let people ruin characters for me but they still do

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slytherhys · 17 days

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Today I'm thinking about the symbolism behind the necklace Azriel gave Elain.

We already know the necklace was bought with Elain in mind (read: a small, flat rose fashioned of stained glass) but what if that's not the only detail that shows us that? Walk with me.

"When held to the light, the true depth of the colours would become visible" - This is a very interesting detail. We're talking about Azriel - a man who associates Elain with light, who compares her to the sun at dawn. Azriel who, because of his trauma, doesn't think he's worthy of such a thing. Still, he gives her a necklace whose true depth of the colours only becomes visible when held to the light. (interesting, isn't it?)

"The amulet tiny enough that it could be dismissed as an everyday charm." - Taking everything we know about Elain's situation, this one really made me smile. Because both Azriel and Elain are completely aware of the mating bond that is stopping them from actually being together. They're meeting in secret, exchanging gifts when they both know they shouldn't (read: because her mate was upstairs).

But the gift itself is tiny enough, unremarkable enough that Elain could potentially use it on a day-to-day basis without raising suspicion. Sure, the charm could easily be dismissed as an everyday charm, but they would both know exactly what it meant.

To everyone else it would be just a cute necklace, but to Elain and Azriel it would be a reminder that their exchanged looks, their late night talks, their brush of fingers, their time spent in the gardens weren't being forgotten. That their kiss (had Rhys not stopped them) meant something. That they meant something.

All this to say: everything about this necklace seems like a very intentional decision on Azriel's end and I'm honestly obsessed with it.

#just a little rant #elain's necklace #elriel #elain archeron #azriel #azriel shadowsinger #pro elriel #pro elain archeron #acosf

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love-and-books320 · 2 months

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Okay I love Gwyn so so so much but she is not the fearless, warrior, sass queen you guys think she is. She is a young women. A young women who has gone through unspeakable trauma and has been left scarred. She could barely be around Cassian and Azriel at first. She still can’t leave the HoW after acosf. She is taking the time she needs to heal on her own and with her friends.

I hate when gwynriels argue that Azriel needs someone like Gwyn to “handle his darkness”. I disagree with this concept entirely bc his darkness is not who he is, he needs a break from the darkness if anything. But Gwyn can’t handle his darkness. She can’t even handle leaving the library.

Elain is the one who stays with him. Elain is the one who killed the king of Hybern, with the very same knife Azriel killed hundreds with. Elain is the one who kicked the dogs(I don’t remember exactly what they were ok?) off of him. ELAIN is the one who wants him, the one who he wants.

He wants Elain, not Gwyn, and if you’re really a fan of his, you should respect what he wants.

#anyways that’s my rant #elain archeron #azriel shadowsinger #acotar #acosf #elriel

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emmitaaa4 · 10 days

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look i just find it a little funny that people—for the past 3 years—have been adamant that Azriel’s book is next ergo gwonriel is next... undoubtedly: they have the nb of appearances on their side (💀). it was THE argument.

and we were crazy and lacked common sense for saying elain’s book was coming and that the increased presence of Az + his secrets revolving around Elain = he gets the 2nd PoV in Elain’s book. outrageous fr.

… it’s not really the G/A ship that bothers me, it’s the lack of logic.

The “Az book” insistance exposes the recency bias, but also the flaws in their reasoning:

elain’s story being pushed aside in favour of a necklace/ribbon-centered love triangle (opposing 2 women) that originated in a bonus chapter… really?

the idea that gwyn would get a PoV before elain (let go of character preferences for a second and ✨ponder✨).

worst yet: in general, Gwyn only ever serves as a LI in their theories, a sidekick to Az & Nes because gwyn isn’t directly nor uniquely tied to any plot point (atp).

the way they gaslighted ppl into thinking more training & libraries & HoW gang (with 0 new characters) is more urgent to the narrative than an Elain story; than a *new* story that actually advances the plot & characters.

them not getting that gwonriel would be a consequence of elucien: E/L would have always needed to happen 1st because it is ELAIN’s story & choice.

you can’t just compare the structure of ToG and Acotar as if they’re equivalent: the PoVs work vastly differently, and either way it’s always the women that primarily drive the action… i.e. Nesryn & Yrene in ToD. “bUt cHaOl’s boOk”

if anything LUCIEN is the Chaol of acotar (it’s a compliment i adore chaol). and Vassa’s presence/importance in the series relative to other side characters makes her the closest we have to a Nesryn or Yrene figure. Gwyn is more of a Fenrys.

their characterization of Az goes against what we know of his character; “Az is horrible to women but but it’s ok we love him cause he’s different with Gwyn! she makes him better, she’ll help him heal… mates!!” …how convenient. and weird.

they acknowledge only a (convenient) portion of Elain’s character. her visions / powers involve Koschei… but also much more. Cauldron and Truthteller? never heard of them. Nuala & Cerridwen don’t matter (they’re spying on her guys!), her attraction to Az is dismissible… Lucien being her mate is all that really counts. her “need” for sunshine is her character… a result of picking and choosing of ‘evidence’ ngl (as is the way they spin all her scenes with Az). etc.

refusing to acknowledge the feysand bonus. or the set up in FaS. or the continued development of Elain in SF.

Tbh, as it’s becoming increasingly clear to the fandom that Elain is indeed most likely next, im wondering how they’re spinning this. Mother knows I hate the ship wars, but please let people realize the next book was always elriel “vs” elucien.

#messy rant #elriel #elain archeron #azriel #pro elain #pro azriel #throne of class #tower of dawn #lucien vanserra #vassa acotar #gwyneth berdara #chaol westfall #antigwynriel #acotar #acosf bonus chapter

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tswaney17 · 5 months

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Just finished my reread of ACOSF (🥴) and I have two highlights I want to point out.

Funny how when Elain stabs a man and the blade pierces through his next, he can miraculously have a chance to heal, but when Nesta does it, he’s dead. The King of Hybern could not have survived a wound like what Elain gave him. Blood sprayed and he had it coming out of his mouth. Nesta’s severing of his head from his body only made death come quicker. But Elain’s initial stabbing would’ve killed him. She is the Kingslayer (fuck, Sarah, I hope you make this right in Elain’s book).

Gwyn had no interest in being called a Carynthian. And yet, she is still depicted as being this great Carynthian warrior (she was unconscious on the back of Emerie and put them all into danger by throwing a tantrum, let’s be real). Because Az is Carynthian and Gwyn is “Carynthian” so they must be equals… 🙄 Your supposed fav character doesn’t want to be called it.

I mean, overall, ACOSF was trash. Literally the worst in the series for me. But just hearing how much Sarah is enjoying writing the next ACOTAR book gives me hope that Elain’s book will be 🤌💋. Also, the Az bonus chapter is some of the hottest shit she’s written and that was during the subpar smut she put into ACOSF. God give me strength for their book. I’ll be on my knees as much as Azriel will be. 😉

Read my full review and highlights here.

#acosf #fandom rant #elriel #elain archeron #azriel #elain #azriel shadowsinger #pro elain #I really disliked that book #poor Cassian got murdered in it #rip Cassian’s development

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merymoonbeam · 2 months

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You know how elain and lucien shippers like to say "elain choosing the mating bond is still a choice" when in fact it is not.

So in an elain and lucien book this would be like Elain saying yes or no to the mating bond but this gives no choice bc it is a romance book so if elain goes with that we know it is gonna be romance so there is mating bond. So Elain is not making a choice but going along with the already dediced mating bond for herself bc there is mating bond...this is a romance book. So no choice but to accept it. She doesnt even have the option of saying no bc again...romance book. It has to happen regardless of Elain's choice. It would be no choice for elain to accept that bond.

And apparently there is a name for this LMFAO

A Hobson's choice is a free choice in which only one thing is actually offered. The term is often used to describe an illusion that multiple choices are available. The best known Hobson's choice is "I'll give you a choice: take it or leave it", wherein "leaving it" is strongly undesirable.

So they are giving elain a "choice" of saying yes or no but its not a choice bc saying "no" is not an option bc these are romance books. she would have to say yes. Accepting the mating bond is not a choice bc it would have been no choice to begin with.

Idk...we shouldnt have to explain these things but here we are. Its kinda funny and frustrating.

#elriel #kinda rant and Im bored

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pinkrasberryfish · 5 months

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WHY DO THEY HATE THE QUIET SOFT GIRL GETS THE SCARY HOT QUIET GUY CONCEPT ?! DO THEY HATE FUN ? I THINK THEY HATE SEXINESSS AND GOODNESS AND FUN ALL AT ONCE BECAUSE HOW COULD YOU BE SUCH A HATER OF THE ELEGANT-SEXY-FORBIDDEN-TRYST BOOK CONCEPT !?

#pro elriel #SHITPOSTING #ranting about elriel

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elrielffs · 3 months

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Okay okay let’s say Gwynriel was a thing (it isn’t) to get to the romance Azriel would have to deal with both Mor AND Elain. Antis can say what they will but Elain and Azriel DO have something going on. It would have to be dealt with like the Mor situation. People can say it ended in the bonus chapter but AGAIN as has been stressed, it is a bonus chapter that no one outside the US had access to and it was only in certain copies which is why antis have to CONSTANTLY tell people it exist when people ask about Gwynriel (which it doesn’t prove in the slightest but I digress)

Does ANYONE really want to read about Azriel dealing with whatever the fuck is going on with Mor, the unresolved feelings/UST for Elain and THEN romance Gwyn? I know SJM has her characters in previous relationships but that is just messy and makes Azriel look flakey and changeable as hell!

Not to mention if he was indeed pining after Mor for 500 fucking years, I don’t think he’s gonna give up on Elain just because Rhys told him to.

That’s another thing. Since when is another character allowed to dictate who can romance who??? Like, y’all really think in a romantic series, when someone says someone needs to stay away from someone else they’ll just do it? When has that EVER happened? Do you really want a male love interest that just follows blindly like that???

No, no one wants a love interest that jumps from woman to woman and follows orders at the expense of themselves.

And another thing I keep hearing that “Azriel just wants a mate and that’s why he feels entitled to Elain” if the man just wanted a mate he would NOT be messing with Elain, an already mated woman let’s be real. And if he did just want a mate, saying Gwyn is his mate just makes it sound like he would be into her BECAUSE she’s his mate, not in spite of it. Real romantic there.

This is why I don’t ship Gwynriel. I like Gwyn, hate Gwynriel.

As for Elucien…I’ve seen it stated that Elain owes Lucien “a chance”. Wtf is this incel talk? Elain doesn’t owe that man shit after he stood by and let her sister be abused, tried to kidnap her sister and bring her back to her abuser, and participate in the most traumatic event in Elain’s life (unknowingly but still) and she doesn’t want him. Goodbye.

#elriel #sorry for the rant

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fairdale · 9 months

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justice for elriel

already said this, but i feel like some people haven’t read the same books as me regarding elriel. and i don't particularly mean them as a ship, i mean that because of ships some people refuse to acknowledge the amazing characters that are these two (and how well they go together). i love them so much.

some talk of elain as plain, boring girl who is fragile and useless and i just don't get it. the poor girl has her life turned upside down not once, but twice. and yes, she doesn't react the same way feyre or nesta do, but she also fights. she helps them in the war. for the love of god, nesta and cassian are alive because she stabbed the king (with azriel's most special dagger that he never lent anyone but her, mind you). i'm sorry but that don't you touch my sister was one of the top moments for me.

and not only that, but i've seen people hate her. how can you hate her?? i just don't get it. she's growing out of her shell, she's blossoming into a strong, fearless woman. feyre herself said she believed elain to be the strongest because she remained hopeful even in hard times. and she sees the good in people.

sure, in acowar she was still processing everything, but in acofas and acosf you can see her being comfortable around everyone and more sure of herself, bolder, as cassian said. her hobbies may be quieter than her sisters', but that doesn't make her less interesting. plus it's obvious that she doesn't wanna be babied. she was willing to scry and help them fight the queen. she's ready to fight, to use her powers. to show who she really is.

and talking about azriel, i just can't believe some people talk about him as the "sad guy" and nothing else. they talk as if the whole inner circle and the archeron sisters weren't in love with him. he fights with everything he has for his people. he didn't care about the bad condition his wings were in during the last battle, he wanted to fight along his brothers.

he taught feyre how to fly because he understood the fears she may have. he never once judger her. he's always there for everyone. he may not be expressing himself with words easily, but you can see it in his actions how much he cares about his family.

he's also so smart and i love that. for me, he's one of the most interesting characters in the whole series, maybe even the most interesting one. he has such a hard past, but he overcame it. he despises the illyrians, but he loves his brothers and is one of the best three fighters they have. he has a lot of control, but he didn't hesitate to defend mor against eries or to go rescue elain. he cares, a lot.

(and please don't even get me started on the be careful how you speak about my high lady. this man is HOT)

and last but not least, elriel. these two have so many moments, even if they are subtle. you can't deny the connection they have from the second they met. elain inmediately felt more at ease in his presence and she asked him multiple questions. and he was so so kind to her, making sure she didn't feel uncomfortable. and let me remind you her dress was the color of azriel's siphons. i can't let that go.

in acowar, azriel is the one who says elain doesn't need anything when others talked about her as if she needed to be fixed. and he's the one who understands what is happening with her, that she's a seer. i think it's so important that he didn't doubt her. he trusted that she was capable enought to help, to grow, to be.

when elain gets kidnapped, he's the first one to say i'm getting her back. he didn't hesitate for one second, even when the rest told him he would die. he was getting her back. and he did, and they didn't want to let go of each other.

and elain kissed his cheek without caring about whoever or whatever that was going on around them.

and as i said before, azriel lent her truth-teller so she would be able to defend herself. he doesn't cut her wings. i feel like some people misunderstand his words acosf when he didn't want her near darkness. he was worried, but he never, once, tried to order her or tell her what she could or couldn't do.

he's also one of the few people who treats her as a capable, adult woman who is strong and clever. he encourages her, and so does she.

i also need to talk about elain saying his hands are beautiful. his hands, that he feels are always dirty and unworthy of touching something precious. she has never judged them or him.

oh, and please let's talk about them getting each other gifts for the winters solstice. multiple times. they're whipped. they're just so so cute to me.

offer and permission.

and no, i don't think azriel would be bad for elain or stop her growth. i don't think he would slow her down because he also needs to grow in his confidence.

and no, i don't think elain is bad suited for azriel because she may not be interested in fighting as her sisters are. elain is ready to fight her battles, to be an active part of her court. just because she chooses to do so differently, it doesn't mean is not important.

so, basically, these two are iconic and they're wonderful characters who deserve all the love and appreciation and i honestly think they have crazy chemistry and could have an epic (love) story. they're awesome, together and individually and i can't wait to be inside their minds. i really hope the next book is about them because the possibilities are endless.

they are that good.

#acotar #azriel #elain #elriel #pro azriel #pro elain #this doesn't mean i hate lucien and gwyn okay #i truly don't #i actually like them a lot too #but i just needed to rant about these two because i love them #i refuse to believe people actually hate on them #obviously not everyone #because not everyone has bad taste #anyway #I LOVE MY BABIES #pls no inner circle or archeron slander #pro elriel

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frostwing213 · 1 month

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I keep getting a lot of Elain stuff popping up on my dash. Mostly about shipping, and I'm like:

How'd this girl end up in a love triangle????

People are very opiniated too, fighting over and making essays about it. There's Elain/Az and Elain/Lucien (There's also Az and Gwen, but I understand how Az got in a love triangle.)

I'm just, struggling to care. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Elain, I just find her kinda boring. She doesn't do much. She feels like that classic fairytale princess that looks pretty and sad in a tower.

Off the top of my head, these are things that define her (Without being linked to men, becase I'm not there yet. Plus, a female character should be able to stand on her own without the men in her life)

She gardens and is primiarily associaed with flowers

Pretty

Nice

Weak

She kinda killed the king of Hyburn

Didn't want to be a fae

kinda wishy washy

Achreon sister

Quiet

Her sisters want to protect her

Future seeing powers

And I'm out of ideas. From my point of view, she doesn't have any discernable personality. Her three major defining things when people think of her are: Pretty, flowers, soft.

She doesn't act for herself, she doesn't speak up. She goes with what happens and gets sad when she doesn't like it. (Becoming a fae was traumatic, and I understand her reaction, but I don't really like it. AND I HAVEN'T EVeN TOUCHED ON THE GREYSON[was that the human dude's name???]THING YET!)

So, when the books start, early ACOTAR. Archeron sisters are in the woods. Feyre is the only one doing something to support the family. Who is Elain in this book? Pretty gardener. Delicate. She isn't doing anything. Some can argue Nesta isn't either, and as a Nesta Supremist, I have to say she was willing to get married to someone cruel to make it easier on her family, and although that isn't much, it's still something. What does Elain do in this book? Be pretty. Please, someone give me an example of Elain doing something constructive and I will edit it in. Please.

Moving on. Next book. She... hosts the house along with Nesta. Oh! She's engaged to a fae hating guy (Who i think is named Greyson. I can't remember and I'm currently loaning out my 2nd and 3rd book, so I can't check rn). Uh.... I don't remember if she does anything else until the end, where she is captured and dumped in the caldron. We find out Lucien is her mate. EDIT!: As @devi1sange1 pointed out to me, Elain did stand up to Nesta about using their house as a meeting spot for the queens. She also takes responisblty for how they treated Feyre. 2 points for Elain. I give her those

She shows up more after that, so I'm not doing book by book, but she gets dumped fast by her fiancé and hangs out in the house of wind, being very sad. I almost wanna describe her as floaty, because she's acting like a ghost, just existing and mourning what is gone. This is a vaild response, and I understand why she responds this way, it just annoys me because she has not shown any autonomy so far. Anything. I think I remember her asking her ex-fiance to take in humans, but that was after being pushed by the inner circle. Uh... she gives a few prophecies, yay that. When the fighting starts, she stays on the sidelines, which I don't blame her for. She kinda kills the king of Hyburn. I think that's all she does in that.

After that. What does she do? Other than hang around??? I DON'T KNOW!

Elain shows no real drive! She exists and sometimes does stuff to push the plot!

Now onto the (possible) romantic interests she has.

Greyson: Uhhhhh, they like each other. She likes her because she's sweet and pretty. I didn't catch anything else between these two. Uh, he dumps her as soon as she's fae and she gets depressed over it

Lucien: Mating bond. She doesn't like him, I get it. He tries to back off. I think Lucien acts responsibly in this situation. Elain is at no fault in this situation either. Mating bonds don't always pair up the most romantic pair, and it doesn't always work out well. Honestly, I never saw much chemistry between these two, and if not for the bond, they likely would have forever ignored each other.

Azriel: (Random, but I searched him up on tumblr because I couldn't remember how to spell his name, and WOW, there's a lot of Azriel x reader. Yall really 'like' him) How, just how did this become such a popular ship? I never even caught this on my read through. Yeah, Az is nice to her, but he's nice to anyone considered friendly. He's just as nice to Feyre and I don't see anyone shipping those two. I just... don't get it. Is it because we want the sisters paired up with the bat boys? Is that it?? I don't understand. I see no chemistry. It's just two people being nice to one another guys.

I think those are the major ones. I don't understand any of them. Lucien and Az are such powerful charters, while Elain is... 'pretty flower girl'.

I don't hate her, but she kinda annoys me with how much crazines she's getting with people shipping her. Wanna know what i think would be great? She ends up with no one romantically. She has friends, just no romantic partner and that is perfectly fine. Lucien will live. If there's nothing between Az and Gwen, then Az will live.

To wrap up, I find Elain to be a pretty boring charter, I just feel indifferent towards her. I love the other two siblings, but I feel like Elaine could have been improved.

Feel free to talk to me about this! Throw out your own opinions! Give me edvince that supports or opposes any of my points! Correct me on stuff and ignore my spelling!

I love a good debate! Give me one! Please.

Interact with me.

Edit!: Thanks for interacting! I swear I'm reading everything! I just didn't expect this to blow up so fast!

Another edit: Thanks yall for interacting! I'm really enjoying reading the responses and what people hope to see coming from Elaine in the future!

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stargirlfeyre · 6 months

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Rhys in Acosf was dealing with:

The war Beron was trying to start.

The Made queen who can literally control the troves.

Koschei.

His Pregnant wife.

The possibility of said wife and child dying.

Nesta and the uncontrollable powers she refuses to learn about.

And who the hell was going to rule the NC if they did die.

But y’all are shocked that he wasn’t the nicest when banning Azriel from Elain? Y’all are upset that he wasn’t the nicest when dealing with someone’s reckless actions that could have literally led to even bigger problems on top of the ones he was already dealing with?

He was stressed as shit worrying about the NC and his wife and if you were in his position and you saw someone actively creating more problems for you to deal with (because you know damn well Rhys was going to be the one cleaning up the mess Azriel and Elain were about to start) you would be pissed too.

Azriel is 500 years old and an important member of the NC. He’s not someone who can act without caring about the consequences. His actions do effect the NC and truthfully he should have been smarter.

#Rhysand #feyre archeron #elain archeron #Azriel #pro rhysand #man was stressed but y’all are mad he banned two people from fucking #he couldn’t even enjoy Feyre’s birthday without dealing with some bullshit #y’all are saying feyre is going to be upset when she finds out but I bet he ranted to her that night about how dumb those two were acting #elriel

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