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coconuts-are-mammals · 1 year

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Okay, BUT

I need to rant about something because I can't get it out of my head

QUI-GON JINN AND DOOKU

THESE TWO >>>>>>

THE GRIEF THAT DOOKU FELT OVER THE LOSS OF THE PERSON WHO WAS ESSENTIALLY HIS SON OU OFSAIUFH WAIUHF

I CRIED SO HARD DURING THAT ONE SCENE IN TALES OF THE JEDI

THE SADNESS OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP

And also, I think it serves as a nice foil to the relationship of Ahsoka and Anakin. Perhaps not intentionally, or not thematically, but in terms of where it ended up as opposed to the younger members of their lineage. Because Ahsoka's grief over loosing the person she once looked up to vs. Dooku grieving over the loss of the person he cared so deeply for.

The fact that Ahsoka, despite all her hardships and tragedies, kept going after the loss of Anakin and developed into such a prominent figure in her later life.

But the fact that Dooku, after being beaten down after so much and being at such a low point in his life, traumatized, and manipulated by Palpacreep, fell completely after the death of the person in his life he cherished most.

Just...

The EVERYTHING.

The differences in what it's like experiencing loss, either death or corruption of a loved one into someone you don't recognize, shining through in this story when comparing the two characters to each other.

And I hate to get controversial, but I feel as if a lot of people judge Ahsoka and Dooku's story on stuff that primarily isn't canon, which leads to the characters being misshapen into something that differs so much from their original form (like Obi-Wan is.)

Ahsoka and Dooku both lost what was a very similar amount to them, but they handled it so differently and came out on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. And yes, I'm aware that Dooku 'fell' or was at least working with Sidious before Qui-Gon was dead, but he would have had quite a good chance to return to the Jedi, had his Padawan not been killed and he himself not driven to the edge.

And I haven't seen Rebels, so I don't really know much about Ahsoka's character development past the finale of the Clone Wars, and I know that there's a lot more development in Rebels then most would like to admit, but I think that a lot of her hardships are shown through her behavior or personality in the later seasons, after the Wrong Jedi arc. Not all are positive, but there's certainly some perks of her experiences.

But, I will say that I'm not impartial to bias towards Dooku and against Ahsoka (i mean, if you got this far in my rant, you probably know this already) due to the fact that I can't relate to Ahsoka as much, BUT I do think that, taking a break from character analysis and moving towards writing analysis, Dooku is a better character in terms of the pace of his development. He was given what is, excluding Tales of the Jedi, likely an hour of ACTUAL development, but Tales of the Jedi, while being a bit rushed and controversial, managed to do SO MUCH with a character given so little, but SO LITTLE with a character given so much.

#Am I concerned that I relate heavily to a ruthless dictator who murdered many of his own friends and companions and committed some-#-old fashioned genocide? yes. I am concerned.#Anyways #Have to go #Gonna go WEAP over 'I used to bring Qui-Gon here as a boy...'#have fun #Feel free to contradict some of the points I made with Ahsoka #Also Dooku #But good luck finding points to contradict #Because there really isn't a lot on him (which is one reason he's such a great character and Ahsoka sort of falls flat for me_#i mean #its hard to do anything nuanced or interesting with a character given seven seasons #multiple cameos #an important role in a different multiseasoned and lengthy show #and an upcoming live action spin #but I do quite like her thematically #ANYWAYS #Ahsoka Critical #Star Wars #Star Wars: The Clone Wars #Star Wars: The Prequel Trilogy #iaminaminoramountofpain rants #Jedi Master Dooku #Brief mentions of Qui-Gon Jinn in relation to his living successors #Rebels #Sorta #convoluted opinions #Tales of the Jedi (is underrated)

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thewoildwedreamabout · 1 year

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I have personal beef with whoever names the Star Wars characters. Like Grogu? Have you really heard anyone refer to Baby Yoda as 'Grogu'? Like. Ever?

#baby yoda #groguthechild #the mandalorian #star wars prequels #star wars #like why #also dooku #cause wth kind of name is dooku #a galaxy far far away

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david-talks-sw · 8 months

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Dooku didn't leave because of the Jedi.

At least, if you're going by George Lucas' word.

In deleted scenes of Attack of the Clones, when we learn about Dooku's departure and his values, there's no mention of the Jedi or "the Jedi Order as an institution".

And every time Lucas refers to Dooku's disenchantment and reason for falling, he doesn't mention the Jedi.

"When you realize that Dooku is Darth Tyranus, it explains what Darth Sidious did after Darth Maul was killed: he seduced a Jedi who had become disenchanted with the Republic. He preyed on that disenchantment and converted him to the dark side, which is also a setup for what happens with Anakin." - Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones, 2002

"[Dooku is] one of the few Jedi who became disenchanted with the Republic and left the order and he is leading a separatist movement." - Vanity Fair, 2002

"I wanted a more sophisticated kind of villain. Dooku’s disenchantment with the corruption in the Empire is actually valid. It’s all valid. So, Chris plays it as, 'Is he really a villain or is he just someone who is disenchanted and trying to make things right?'" - Starlog Magazine #300, 2002

He probably meant the Republic/Senate in that last one, but you get the point. And you're seeing the pattern, right?

Dooku's problem isn't the Jedi, it's the Republic.

He's become disenchanted with a system that - according to Lucas' prologue in the 2004 book Shatterpoint - worked for 1,000 years...

"For a thousand years, the Old Republic prospered and grew under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the venerable Jedi Knights."

... but has been rendered ineffective because of 1) senators becoming corrupt and 2) corporations gaining political power.

"But as often happens when wealth and power grow beyond all reasonable proportion, an evil fueled by greed arose. The massive organs of commerce mushroomed in power, the Senate became corrupt, and an ambitious named Palpatine was voted Supreme Chancellor."

That's the message Dooku runs on, when he rallies the systems to form the Separatist Alliance.

"By promising an alternative to the corruption and greed that was rotting the Republic from within, Dooku was able to persuade thousands of star systems to secede from the Republic."

The Jedi aren't really a factor in his decision to leave.

Why would they be? Their political status isn't very high, they're virtually powerless, as illustrated by the film's narrative and stated repeatedly by Lucas.

On the contrary, as we already established in this post, Lucas full-on confirmed that Dooku actually carries the sympathies of most of the Jedi. Again:

Most Jedi agree with Dooku, ideologically.

As far as the Jedi are concerned, the politicians are effing up the Republic, and it sucks because the Jedi see this but aren't allowed to interfere in the political process. They have to resort to looking for loopholes in their mandates to actually get stuff done.

That's what that whole "she's a politician" scene is meant to hint at. In the commentary of Attack of the Clones, Lucas uses a similar turn of phrase as he does with Dooku.

"[This scene gives us] a chance to talk a little bit about politics and the Jedi’s disenchantment with the political process, due to the corruption and the ineffectiveness of the Senate." - Attack of the Clones, Director’s Commentary, 2002

Considering all this, it becomes clear that the intended narrative surrounding Dooku's decision to leave the Order is not:

"The Jedi are dogmatic and asleep at the wheel except for Dooku, who is ahead of the curb and sees the system is flawed, so he left."

It's actually:

"ALL Jedi see the system is flawed, Dooku's the only Jedi who decided to take it a step further and leave the Order so he can try to get into politics himself and change things."

That's why they hesitate to accuse him of murder.

That's why in an earlier draft of the Attack of the Clones script, by the end of the second act, Mace STILL has his doubts that Dooku would sign a treaty with the Trade Federation to attack the Republic.

As far as the Jedi are concerned, Dooku is out there fighting the good fight, making noise because whenever they try to protest it falls on deaf ears... until his betrayal on Geonosis.

After all, let's not get it twisted: the Dooku we're introduced to in the films and The Clone Wars, isn't really just Dooku anymore.

He's Darth Tyranus.

A point Lucas makes sure to highlight in his Shatterpoint prologue:

"Unbeknownst to most of his followers, Dooku was himself a Dark Lord of the Sith, acting in collusion with his master, Darth Sidious, who, over the years, had struck an unholy alliance with the greater forces of commerce and their private droid armies."

It's not about doing the selfless thing for Dooku, anymore. He's knowingly part of the problem.

He's all about ambition, now. His personal goals are things like overthrowing Sidious and becoming the most powerful Jedi.

"[Anakin's] ambition and his dialogue here is the same as Dooku’s. He says “I will become more powerful than every Jedi.” And you’ll hear later on Dooku will say “I have become more powerful than any Jedi.” [...] It is possible for a Jedi to want to become more powerful, and control things." - Attack of the Clones, Director’s Commentary, 2002

"If you put two Sith together, they try to get others to join them to get rid of the other Sith. [When revealing the truth to Obi-Wan], Dooku's ambition is really to get rid of Darth Sidious. He's trying to get Obi-Wan's assistance in that and help in that, so that he and Obi-Wan could overthrow Sidious and take over." - Attack of the Clones, Commentary Track 2, 2002

Y'know? Selfish things.

Dooku - like all other Sith, and like the very corporations and Senators he had sworn to destroy - is consumed by his own greed.

#also functionally-speaking Dooku being a Jedi is done to highlight the ambiguity throughout the investigation on whether or not this is #a scorned ex-Jedi or a straight-up bad guy... you're never sure until the end of AOTC. That and Dooku being a former Jedi shows that #even someone who was once selfless and dutiful can crave power and be selfish #which sets up a precedent for Anakin - who's already struggling with being a selfless Jedi - when HE falls to the Dark Side #Dooku being a former Jedi isn't a plot point meant to narratively criticise of the Order... it's meant to hint at Anakin's downfall.#dooku #george lucas #star wars #attack of the clones #long post #collection of quotes

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rochenn · 5 months

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more dooku fashion! his regular fit but spice it up with some teal and a spinewolf fur cape

#idk what a spinewolf looks like btw i completely bullshat this #the skull is also from a spinewolf #<- obligatory jedi lost reference bc i'm still reading that book #count dooku #my art #star wars

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kurtssingh · 1 year

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Team Republic or Team Empire? ;)

#star wars #disaster lineage #au #Dooku in white cape is so pretty I need to draw more of this #inquisitor ahsoka also yes #sith qui is blind in this au #yoda #qui gon jinn #obi wan kenobi #dooku #anakin skywalker #ahsoka tano

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inquisitor-apologist · 4 months

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Thinking about how, at the end of the day, at the fatal moment, the sunset of the Republic, it wasn’t Yoda, or Obi-Wan, or even the Chosen One himself standing in the way of Palpatine. It was Mace Windu.

Mace Windu, the inventor of Vaapad and Master of Form VII, the Jedi's strongest duelist, the only person to ever defeat Palpatine in combat. Mace Windu, Master of the Jedi Council and the youngest Master ever appointed to it, the revered leader of the Order. Mace Windu, who forgave even those who tried to kill him, who risked his life over and over again for his troops, who, after 3 years of desperate war, tried to negotiate with battle droids. Mace Windu, who knew the clones were created by the Sith and chose to trust them, who saw every Shatterpoint in the Republic, and loved it still, and fought for it until his last breath, until he was betrayed by Anakin, who he believed in and trusted despite everything.

Mace Windu, High General and hero of the Republic, the embodiment of the Light, the last and greatest champion of the Order, the best Jedi to ever live.

#I’ve said my piece goodnight #don’t play with me Mace Antis I have receipts for every last one of these #pretty much everyone agrees that he was the best duelist there was and he obviously won the fight #Anakin's choice wouldn't make thematic sense otherwise #also vader did not defeat palpatine in combat sorry he just grabbed him while he was distracted #it literally had to be a fair fight and Anakin had to be the one to choose to create the empire that's what the prequels are about #Star Wars databank calls him ‘revered’ shatterpoint tells us he was the youngest (real) member of the council #Boba Fett (tcw) and Prosset Dibs (comics) tried to kill him and he asked for amnesty and forgave them #literally just watch the Ryloth arc he spends most of his screentime saving his men #in tcw season seven he pleads with the battle droids to surrender hoping that no one else has to die #there's the part near the end of tcw where the council realizes that the clones were created by Dooku but Mace and the rest of the council #trust the clones so much they're willing to ignore it #the scene from Mace's POV in the rots novelization talks about how much he loves the republic and how he was blindsided by Anakin's betraya #because he trusted him!! we see in aotc that he has more faith in Anakin's abilities than Obi-wan #and he defeated the most powerful sith of all time single-handedly #BEST JEDI EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!#sw prequels #star wars prequels #prequel trilogy #sw prequel trilogy #star wars prequel trilogy #sw rots #star wars rots #revenge of the sith #star wars revenge of the sith #galactic republic #pro mace windu #mace windu #pro jedi order #pro jedi

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itstimeforstarwars · 2 years

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Love the idea of collective Jedi parenting. Like technically I only have one padawan but my friends' padawans are also coincidentally my padawans. My padawan’s friends are also my padawans. This padawan who got separated from their master? My padawan today. This other padawan who needs to learn to pilot but their master is afraid of flying? Now my padawan twice a week.

#chit chat #kit fisto: hello i am master fisto this is my padawan bant and this is obi wan who is also kind of my padawan #plo koon: hello i am master koon this is my best friend qui gon and this is our kid obi wan #not to mention obi wan to anakin: OUR padawan #count dooku still probably has a spare anti-ox mask on his person just in case something happens to his extra padawan #and quinlan prides himself on being 'the cool master' to anakin and barriss

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darthmalewife · 1 year

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I know its been said before but like Sith Obi-Wan trained by Dooku? More powerful than Vader just not in the same ways, regardless of if he was raised from childhood as an apprentice or picked up a while into having Qui-Gon as a master

Yeah he'd be traumatised but he is anyway so why not make him a Sith apprentice as a treat

He'd be civilised, he'd be intelligent and dear christ he'd be fucking lethal [also he'd be a massive fucking whore I mean that man could get anyone]

Also Dooku being exasperated and resigned to Obi-Wan's slut behaviour "Grandpadawan, do they teach such behaviours in the temple or did your friendship with Vos lead you to be like this?"

Obi-Wan wearing the most revealing outfit possible, Dooku just fucking sighing in the background and trying to cover him with a spare robe

#obi wan kenobi #count dooku #sith obi wan #darth tyrannus #obi wan would be darth skankiuos #he meets quinlan on the battlefield and each side was to tell them both to stop fucking flirting #also cody exists here and by the end of the clone wars that definitely still happened him and obi wan have an enemies with benefits thing #commander cody #codywan #obiquin

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mudpuddless · 11 months

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Knight Feemor and Padawan Kenobi in the shadow court

AU where qui-gon gives up on/is banned from training Obi-wan after melida-daan and Feemor becomes Obi-wans master.

[picture ID: it's a digital drawing of jedi knight feemor stahl, aged 37, a long haired blonde near-human with tan skin and forest green robes, sitting on the floor with his legs tucked in under him. He is levitating a bright yellow kyber crystal between his hands as a disassembled white-gold lightsaber is floating to his right. padawan obi-wan kenobi, aged 13, a ginger child with grown out hair and a padawan braid wearing white tunics is napping next to him on the floor using a sage green cloak as a blanket and knight stahl's knees as a pillow with his hands tucked under his cheeks. the wall behind them is tiled with diamond shaped star patterned tiles and to their right a large white blue and gold porcelain planter is holding a small gnarly tree with droopy green leaves. above them three identical complex lancet windows which let white gold sunlight into the room. the drawing is done largely in turquoise and yellow tones and the atmosphere is peaceful and serene. end ID]

#digital art #described #star wars fanart #feemor #obi wan kenobi #padawan kenobi #star wars #feemor stahl #art #listen quo-gon looses obi wan on bandomeer and everyone is ok. that was terrible but also jinn wasn't responsible for this child #in particular yet #them melida daan happens and the council just goes. aight. new plan. call knight feemor and tell him we found him a little brother #qui gon is offended and doesnt un-repudiate obi-wan from when he left him on melida daan so feemor and obi-wan can be fine together #dooku repudiates qui-gon and doesn't tell him. he finds out like eight years later #Jocasta nu adopts feemor bc hes a shadow first but an archivist at heart and he brings her artefacts when he stumbles across them #and dooku is like. hm. sifo look what Jocasta dragged in. grandchildren #wonder where /who/ they came from #tag rambles #i want to write this im not kidding

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count-doodoo · 5 months

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hey since we joke about biden and trump being political enemies both on death's door

have we ever considered

do you think the citizens of the gffa were at all concerned about the fact that the leader of the republic was an Old Decrepit Looking Man and the leader of the confederacy was an Even Older But Maybe Less Decrepit Looking Man? like do you think there were factions out there praying for them both to just die of old age. was there seppie propaganda showing palpatine unable to walk up a ramp while dooku could still do backflips. i need to know.

#star wars #dooku #sheev palpatine #ofc they're both actually force users blah blah blah #but palpatine was a secret force user #and dooku was known but also very clearly grey and possibly sounding senile with his bs #i'm trying to figure out how to work the dementia test incident into this #i don't think either palps or doo would themselves go on tv talking about their lack of dementia lol #but i'm sure reporters/politicians on either side /accused/ both of them of having dementia

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mlichaelm · 10 months

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did y'all know that Kix was part of Dooku's war chest and originally headed towards Serenno with the rest of it and the bad batch was so close to him without realizing or was that something i was supposed to find out at 1am while doing rabbit hole research for my fanfic

#brb gonna go cry #and he doesn't get out of stasis until basically the timeframe of force awakens #this is one of the greatest sw tragedies it tops dooku's fall to the dark side in totj #i'm actually so hearbroken also WTF why is my formatting like this i'm on the website help #star wars #star wars tbb #star wars the bad batch #sw #tbb #the bad batch #bad batch #clone force 99 #the clone wars #clone wars #sw clone wars #ct 6116 #kix #tcw kix

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david-talks-sw · 8 months

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I think it's interesting that - in order to make his "free-thinking Jedi" characters hold any semblance of rationality in their arguments - Dave Filoni needs to resort to artificially dehumanizing the other Jedi and painting them all with the same "we dogmatically worship protocol" brush.

He does this with Huyang in the recent Ahsoka episode.

"Lolz he's so narrow-minded, preachy and by-the-book, unable to think outside the box, just like the Jedi in the Prequels."

My first reaction was being amused at the fact that Filoni had to resort to making the Jedi Order's ideals and rules be embodied by a literal machine for his anti-Jedi headcanon to start making sense.

But then I remembered: Huyang isn't just any droid.

In The Clone Wars, he had a sassy personality, he had a pep in his step, he had a sense of humor...

This character was human in his behavior, he was fun and whimsical.

But now he's been reduced to, I dunno, "Jedi C-3PO"? Basically?

"Ha! He's blunt and unsympathetic because he's a droid, but it's funny because the Jedi were the same, they were training themselves to be tactless, emotionless droids."

And Filoni does this with Mace Windu too, in Tales of the Jedi.

Mace, who brought a lightsaber to the throat of a planetary leader to defend the endangered Zillo Beast...

... and who went waaay past his mandate by mischievously sneaking around Bardottan authorities and breaking into the Queen's quarters because he felt something bad was afoot...

... was reduced to being an almost droid-like, rule-parotting, protocol purist who sticks to his instructions (and is implied to be willing to let a murder go unsolved so he can get a promotion).

I mentioned this at the end of my first post on Luke in The Last Jedi... while changes in personality do happen overtime and can be explained in-universe... if you don't show us that progression and evolution and just leave us without that context, that'll break the suspension of disbelief, for your audience.

Here, we have two characters with a different (almost caricatural) personality than the one they were originally shown to have.

Now... we could resort to headcanons, to make it all fit together.

We could justify Huyang's tone shift 'cause "Order 66 changed him". And we could make explanations about TotJ's Mace:

Being younger and thus more ambitious and a stickler for the rules, and only really becoming more flexible after getting his seat on the Council and gaining more maturity.

Being such a teacher's pet in the episode because we're seeing him through the eyes of a notorious unreliable narrator, Dooku.

There'd be nothing wrong with opting to go with either of those headcanons to cope with this. After all, Star Wars is meant to help you get creative.

But the problem I encounter is that:

Filoni has an anti-Jedi bias, so the above headcanons clearly wouldn't really track with his intended narrative.

We'd be jumping through hoops to extrapolate and fill in what is, essentially, inconsistent characterization, manufactured to make Ahsoka and Dooku shine under a better light.

And that sours whatever headcanon I come up with.

Edit: Also, yeah, as folks have been saying in the tags... wtf is "Jedi protocol"? The term isn't ever mentioned in the movies, I skimmed through dialog transcripts of TCW, never saw it there.

So it's almost as if - if Filoni wasn't draining characters like Mace and Huyang of all humanity and nuance - his point about "the Jedi were too detached and lost their way, but not free-thinkers like Qui-Gon, Dooku and Ahsoka" wouldn't really hold much water.

#I *will* acknowledge that part of this may also be that in a cartoon like TCW - characters with no moving facial features like Huyang...#... had to be more expressive in other ways; hence why he's so active in the cartoon; which may not translate well to live action.#Then again- look at how expressive and emotive that Hondo Ohnaka animatronic is at Galaxy's Edge.#And the fact remains that he went from a whimsical Mr. Ollivander type figure to... a droid with data on the Jedi...#... all so Ahsoka would seem more human and grounded by contrast #ahsoka series #ahsoka spoilers #ahsoka show #star wars ahsoka #huyang #tales of the jedi #totj #dooku #mace windu #ahsoka tano #star wars #dave filoni #disney plus

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rochenn · 3 months

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Dooku is so bitchless and lonely he'd fall for the fellow old guy tailor taking his measurements or something

#do they have droids for that? probably #would dooku get the sort of high-end professional who insists on taking manual measurements anyway? ALSO PROBABLY #this wouldn't end well for the tailor mind you but i think dooku should have a pathetic affair with the guy making his designer clothes #having Thoughts

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mclsquared · 3 months

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I firmly believe in a universe where Obi-Wan had been apprenticed to Dooku (either as a padawan or sith apprentice. either works), he would have been so much more of a menace than he already is. Triple the level of sass and skirting the edges of the code and quadruple the dramatic robe drop but make it a CLOAK SWIRL.

#this was in my drafts #when why #why did i not post it #star wars #obi wan kenobi #obi wan #count dooku #sith!obi wan #could also be seen as dooku taking on obi-wan and not qui-gonn #star wars au

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bbygirl-obi · 7 months

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(this is from star wars: the jedi path, published in 2013)

for those of you who may not know: not every jedi ended up becoming a jedi knight. there were four "civilian" divisions of the service corps that would absorb any initiates who failed to become padawans. this allowed them to remain jedi, to maintain their relationship with the force, and to use their abilities for the betterment of the galaxy.

the service corps consist of agricultural, medical, educational, and exploration divisions. the agricultural division used the force to help planets improve agriculture to avoid famine. the medical corps worked in the halls of healing on coruscant to heal jedi and non-jedi alike. the educational corps employed teachers, scholars, and archivists. and the exploration corps conducted archeological research throughout the galaxy.

anyways, that's what this page & the commentary written on it is referring to. there's... so many things to unpack here!

dooku's elitism. he wants to completely kick these poor pre-teens out of the order (their family) for not being special enough in his eyes, and he has zero appreciation or recognition for the work the service corps does

obi-wan's empathy, but also his genuine respect for others who are seen as less "powerful" or "important" and his appreciation for the roles that every jedi played in bettering the galaxy, no matter how small

anakin's blatant fascism (it was not in fact just a gimmick) and his refusal to value those he views as less "talented" (true "fuck them kids" energy)

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wetsocksinbed · 25 days

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sometimes I think about the fact that when the Jedi were founded, there were very different rules (going by Pre-Disney novels, anyway). Attachment wasn’t forbidden. Love and marriage were allowed. You could show emotion and feel things without being scared of falling to the dark side. The Jedi were powerful beings who protected the galaxy while simultaneously also having families and loved ones. Who decided to change that? Who woke up one day and decided to implement those extremely cult-like behaviours? Obviously putting those rules into place would cause more problems for everyone. Was it Yoda? Was it the previous Grand Master?

As Anakin mentioned in Star Wars the Clone Wars, by Karen Traviss, it was incredibly hypocritical for Ki Adi Mundi to be allowed multiple wives and still be on the council. Anakin was aware of the low male birth rate of Ki Adi’s species, but he was also aware that this kind of hypocrisy was something that would cause disillusion. On that topic, in No Prisoners, also by Karen Traviss, Ahsoka tells a clone that the Jedi are allowed to love, they just can’t have emotional attachments. Rightfully so, the clone is confused by this, because how can you love someone without being attached to them?

As someone who grew up in a religious cult myself, it’s fascinating seeing similarities between what I grew up in, and the Jedi Order. Granted, the Jedi and the Republic were the lesser of two evils, but that was one of the reasons why the Jedi fell to easily. They were stuck in their ways of seeing everything black and white. They blindly saw the galaxy as being either “good” or “evil”, and refused to realise there could be people in between. The Jedi only helped planets if the planet agreed to side with them, instead of aiding a planet because of morality and justice. Whereas before the war, the Jedi valued all life and would help people without any kind of deal or reward.

Yoda was flawed. Mace Windu was flawed. The people put in place to guide the Jedi became complacent and forgot what it meant to be peace keepers. Yoda realised this too late, and that is why he trained Luke differently to the rest of the Jedi.

anyway that’s my little rant done. I still hate the sith more than the Jedi so I guess I’m still pro Jedi, but I like the High/Old Republic much better

#this is not anti jedi #I like the jedi #But I am also realistic #And have religious trauma #star wars #anakin skywalker #yoda #mace windu #disney #clone wars #lucasfilm #the bad batch #swtbb #tbb #count dooku #luke skywalker

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