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Probably the only thing I will say on the problems surrounding Wilbur and the CC himself atm, its a litte raw coming from someone who mained SBI for nearly two years.
That character is one I took for myself, DSMP in a lot of ways was built on fan content made canon, leaving a lot of open room for changes.
Hell I had a whole non canon pantheon and various powers I gave different characters in the ways I chose to portray them.
I am very upset about how it all went down but am using the energy to push towards my original writing and less online time.
I will still talk about fandom related things! You know I will, I've been loving my time on this platform. Its a lot more chill than others like a certain birb app.
These past 2 years I have been finally addressing a lot of my mental health concerns and done some self-evaluation, escapism is a bad habit of mine I am working on dialing back.
I am still very passionate about my writing.
I enjoy writing fanfic still because I picked it up as practice and it helped me immensely find a footing in my style once more.
I just needed to get this off my chest.
Thank you all for sticking with me through these changes. <3
#qsmp#wrenrambles#dsmp#wilbur soot#wilbur soot fanfiction#sbi#discourse#wilbur soot /neg#cw wilbur soot#qsmp wilbur soot#dsmp wilbur soot
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has someone cut wilbur soot out of the sorry videos yet?
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hey guys how SHITTY OF A RESPONSE do you have to make, for DreamWasTaken to make a better statement than you? x
i always thought of Wilbur as a fantastic writer and how the fuck did this guy MAKE SUCH A BAD STATEMENT that he got upstaged by DREAM??
This is one of the best things i've ever seen come from Dream. Words, actions, and intent, and to have someone who, for better or worse, has such a big platform support Shelby is just amazing to see.
#fuck wilbur and stan shubble#wilbur soot#wilbur situation#tw abuse#dreamwastaken#NOT NEG THIS TIME SURPRISINGLY#dont get me wrong i dont like the guy but like. respect increased at least he supporters abuse survivors#mika-posts
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Wait
I just realised something
You know the whole joke about how when you find out that the person who made something you enjoy turns out to be a terrible person you just replace them with Hatsune Miku?
Like "Hatsune Miku made Minecraft", or "Hatsune Miku wrote Harry Potter"
(Not evaluating that practice here, just pointing it out)
Which means that the QSMP community really was way ahead of the curve on that one
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#wilbur soot#william gold#william patrick spencer gold#support shubble#wilbur neg#qsmp#dreamwastaken#aimsey#billzo#tubbo#mcyt#hermittwt#w tubbo#w dream
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*holding the shoulders of the people that write Wilbur and Grian as brothers* I know that you can write what you want and it's not bad but it feels so wrong!!!! Have you seen Wilbur talk about Grian???? Wilbur doesn't have anything close to a sibling relationship with Grian.
Wilbur has a teenage fangirl relationship with Grian. He's writing y/n fanfiction with a glitter pen in his notebook. He's looking at all of Grian's videos. Everything he does good he attributes to Grian.
Stop writing "Grian is Wilbur's lost brother" or something and start writing "Wilbur goes to an Ariana Griande concert that changed his life forever"
#mcyt#wilbur soot#grian#socket duo#This is not /neg to the people that do it btw#I personally don't like it however it's not like you are committing an atrocity#keep writing what keeps you happy
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absolutely nobody wants to see me rant about the end of the dream smp for one millionth time in october 2023, but the anniversary has people talking on my dash so now I'm infected with one of the same 4 thoughts I always have about the dream smp
obviously there is a Very Very large number of reasons that people have a complicated relationship with the dream smp, both in universe and out. and the worst for me are the Obvious out of universe reasons that don't need to be repeated here.
but the cake for In Universe reasons is definitely still the crimeboys ending. it was the final nail in the coffin for me back when I hadn't realized that the coffin had any more nails it could take in the first place, and it's a big part of why the parts of the series that I Do very much so enjoy are very often painful to look back on.
and this isn't because wilbur is a bad writer or a bad actor (or tommy for that matter), even at the time I had Really enjoyed the lead up to the end, even and Especially in that final stream sending wilbur off.
I had my issues of course, I haven't exactly been quiet about that, but in retrospect I Understand the circumstances much better and respect wilbur's choice to get out of there as cleanly as possible.
we still don't know Exactly what was happening behind the scenes, including and Especially with dream, but we Do know full well that dream stopped interacting with the entire rest of the server leaving countless story lines (that he'd Intentionally made himself integral to) left to dry with no way to move forwards while they waited for interaction that would never ever come.
wilbur's choice to move forwards with his send off of his character on his own terms, even with and especially Because of the clear scheduling issues, was the smartest decision he could have made considering the circumstances. I would very much so argue that his character is the Only One that got sent off with any amount of dignity largely Because he stopped playing dream's little game. and I do have to wonder if wilbur escaping the narrative wasn't inspired more by the real life circumstances at the time.
but no matter how satisfying I find it, no matter how much Good I see in it, no matter how much I respect and agree with the choice to do it, I cannot think about wilbur's ending without a Deep ache.
and it is for one single reason
he left tommy behind on purpose, this time fully with the knowledge of the situation he was leaving him behind In.
the abandonment that characters like tommy, niki, and fundy felt after the 16th are ultimately understandable ways of dealing with grief, but weren't Fair to truly hold against wilbur. wilbur didn't Leave, he didn't make the decision to allow the people important to him to be hurt in his absence. he committed suicide because he was sad.
wilbur getting on that boat, truly Knowing what dream did to tommy in a way that only tommy and dream knew, and leaving tommy alone on that beach affected me in ways that nothing else on the server ever has. and that truly is not a good thing.
now, I Think that what was likely supposed to happen is that dream was Supposed to interact with tommy regularly after the prison escape, and that that was supposed to build up to Some natural conclusion. we don't know what that conclusion would have been, but it was certainly nothing like what we got. and meanwhile wilbur's final arc was supposed to progress along side it, building Up To the logsted stream and his full understanding of the abuse dream had done and the affect it had on tommy.
we Know that at one point tommy had spoken about having a soft ending with wilbur. and After wilbur's ending actually did happen he'd mentioned that he might cameo on the server from time to time. that sounds like a soft ending to me.
it makes thematic sense, it makes sense with the pieces we got leading up to the final stream, it makes sense with the characters. and it couldn't happen, because dream refused to move any plot forwards and tommy of all characters couldn't move on without dream. again, both Thematically and because of what was happening behind the scenes.
and this is. frustrating beyond reason. that the snot genuinely poisoned one of the best aspects of the entire server because he was actively killing it but still didn't want to let go.
you can call it speculation, and it is, but this is what I believe and will continue to believe until tommy or wilbur say otherwise.
and on paper I just want to be able to say that the things that I don't like about the ending are bad because dream forced them to be bad and therefore I can just pretend like they never happened and substitute canon's reality with my own (or at the very least excuse it for being the way that it is).
and I have tried to do that ! both in chewing on the ending on its own terms And in imagining many Many ways that it could have gone differently (an activity I'm quite fond of regardless of circumstance).
but it just !
in a completely biased and nevertheless Extremely Honest word, hurt my feelings.
I cannot stop thinking about how they Intentionally set up wilbur finding out about dream abusing tommy, Made Sure to cover every base so the audience Knows that wilbur knows that it was physical, mental, and emotional abuse, Knows that wilbur is fully aware that tommy almost committed suicide, and Knows that wilbur was Deeply Emotionally Affected By This Fact.
and then had him leave. had him Plan Possibly Months Ahead Of Time. had him try to sneak off, only telling tommy the truth when he caught him by surprise and forced it out of him.
tommy opened up to somebody about exile in real honest terms for the very first time, to one of the people that he trusted the most, and that person Chose to leave him trapped with that very abuser out to get him Even Though he understood the danger and cared about him very deeply.
he knew that tommy was in danger, he knew Why tommy was in danger, and him leaving tommy behind was pre-meditated.
and it's Painful not just because of what it implies about their relationship As A Whole (because it's impossible to accept this as true without it affecting how we look back on what came before), but because those same implications makes it Impossible to imagine their relationship having a future.
people tried to play it off like a Soft Ending, like wilbur was just going to get therapy and then come back and they were just gonna hug it out and have a nice healthy relationship. and to be fair to those people, none of us could have predicted that tommy was going to be bombed and then reincarnated with none of his memories. that was Not in my predictions for the next phase of his character arc.
but, shitty sequel bait ending that everyone who cares has disavowed aside (way aside, into a deep pit to never be seen again), if I were tommy I would feel unimaginably betrayed.
where they left off is Not a place to reconnect with a healthy relationship when they're ready, because This Was A Traumatizing Event In And Of Itself.
I don't have to prove this, c!tommy proved this himself when started holing up in his house and abusing potions of invisibility both because he feels completely and totally Unsafe walking anywhere on the server when people can see him And as a relapse back into potion addiction reminiscent of his addiction post-exile.
he was at his absolute lowest point, his abuser and murderer escaped from prison ready to torment him and everyone he cares about for Literally forever. he was Desperately trying to find any form of stability, Desperately trying to reach out to for anyone he could trust, and he Intentionally opened up to someone he Did trust completely once. someone who made him feel safe, someone he trusted with his entire life.
he opened up Because he wanted that relationship, Because he wanted wilbur in his life, Because wilbur had wanted Him in His life. he wanted to cross that gap between them. he was making himself vulnerable to Extend that trust To wilbur.
and wilbur stopped talking to him for months and then left.
that's not going to do good things to his mental health or stability. tommy was Already displayed active suicidal tendencies BEFORE dream broke out of prison.
if he'd managed to kill dream for good and the characters went about their lives tommy would have to let wilbur go. rationalizing what happened, justifying wilbur's decision, would not be healthy.
he can accept that wilbur made the right decision for Himself. he can accept that Wilbur needed to leave, that Wilbur needed time to himself.
but tommy clinging on to wilbur's memory, justifying that he was left for dead with his abuser On Purpose, would not be healthy.
tommy would Need to realize that what happened wasn't okay. there Is no going back to having a relationship with wilbur. wilbur was Allowed to make the choice he did, but it Was a choice.
I can't bare to think of the alternative. where tommy is abandoned, deeply damaged by that abandonment, has to face his abuser and murderer Without someone he'd once considered a brother, and then turn around and just answer wilbur's call the moment Wilbur decides he's ready to have a relationship again.
that would just. be sad. genuinely awful.
and I can't let that go. the decisions they made were Sensible, I can see how it was necessary for wilbur to Have a proper send off when he did. there's no Satisfying way to re-imagine this series of events without it not Being the end.
but it tried to depict itself As a soft ending, As the characters having a future together, when it simply is not. if wilbur escaped the narrative then he left the people he cared about to be victims of the narrative Knowingly.
and it's frustrating Because I can see how it'd happen by accident. How the implications would be both meticulously set up and gone completely unseen.
but for my money, if I were to fix it on its own terms. with no additional screen time after, no change in the streams leading up to the end, and the understanding that tommy's story could not end at this point by necessity (the same restrictions that they had at the time)
I would have wilbur ask tommy to come with him. I'd have the reveal be that wilbur wanted to take tommy with him The Entire Time but knew that tommy was stubborn and attached to the server. but the moment he understood Exactly How Bad It Was he knew he needed to get them out of there Now.
so he did his best to hold dream off for now, and Immediately went to work setting up their escape (we don't need to understand How the portal to utah works, just that it took some time to set up).
it would recontextualize some of their earlier interactions, it would recontextualize his absence after the logsted stream, and it would recontextualize why wilbur didn't tell him until now.
and of course, because tommy has to stay (and because tommy is tommy) he refuses. he refuses not because he doesn't Want to go with wilbur (he wants to be with him more than anything, he wants to feel safe more than anything). but because he can't abandon the people on the server, because he can't let go until he knows dream is gone, because he will never ever feel safe until dream is dead.
and it can be a big dramatic blow out that Ends with that quiet awkward understanding, not with the characters being emotionally in sync but Knowing that this is how this moment has to play out. that same melancholy, that same understand that a choice is being made that can't go back, But It's Mutual.
It's Mutual And Born From Love.
because wilbur Wanted to save tommy, because tommy Wanted wilbur to stay, because they both understand why things aren't happening that way.
and they'll still be Hurt after. their relationship will still be impacted. this will still be something to Work Through rather than the magic soft fix that will make their relationship healthy and fluffy again.
but it's Fixable. if tommy survives there's a relationship still in tact to build on. there's a future where they both trust each other again one day, to find comfort and stability in each other. to put in the Work to build a life once the horror finally ends.
of course, if I had a say a lot more than this would've been changed. but it's a thought that plagues me because of how plausibly it Could have been what we'd gotten. because it would have worked without changing anything and it still would have hurt me at the time but it would have been the Good hurt. not a goodbye forever but goodbye until I can see you again. Goodbye And I Love You.
(at least until tommy got exploded with a bomb and forgot that wilbur existed. yippie)
#discourse#neg#been ages since I've used that#dream smp#dsmp#wilbur soot#tommyinnit#I'm not tagging the snot because I hate him
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Just to let everyone know after I found out what happened with Wilbur.
I no longer will be talking about him or making posts about him. I'm a bit devastated, I've been watching Wilbur since 2020 and finding out he did. I don't know if I can talk about him anymore.
Sorry to Shelby who was the victim of this. She deserves all the kindness and love. Again sorry I'm mainly doing this b/c I don't support emotional/physical abuse and I just want to make myself clear about this, again sorry.
#qsmp#wilbur soot#qsmp discourse#wilbur neg#wilbur situation#shubble#suppport victims#i was hungry before i found out about this#im not anymore.....#also sorry for tagging the qsmp tag#i just want more people to know about this
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honestly I think it’s kinda interesting how phil’s relationships with wilbur, tallulah, chayanne & tubbo are all reflecting back into his view of sunny tbh. like he has such complex delicate interwoven dynamics with all of them and it all gets thrown onto sunny, this poor kid who he loves in theory, but in practice is a stranger to him.
like wilbur left tallulah in phil’s care and didn’t come back. even now way after he was initially supposed to, wilbur hasn’t returned (that one day aside). and phil, who had already taken on a big commitment watching tallulah, has been left permanently with two eggs in his sole care. and even though he loves tallulah and wil, and won’t want them out of his life, this is a stress for him. it’s a big undertaking for anyone, to care for two kids alone, but especially since tallulah required a lot of changes in his life.
for better or worse, in many ways phil sees chayanne as an extension of himself. they’re similar in a lot of ways, and often on the same page, and it means phil often struggles to catch up when chayanne’s emotions aren’t on the same page as him. we’ve seen this week, phil having such a hard time understanding the depth and breadth of chayanne’s grief. when he catches on, he usually does a good job empathising and talking it through, but when he doesn’t, he really doesn’t and it can be hard to watch.
the same is NOT true for tallulah. he has, through hard work and practice, learnt how to identify her emotions. he had to. she needed it. she would have been miserable otherwise. she desperately needed asked for the emotional care and birthdays and consideration that chayanne would never ask for. and he’s good at it—tracking her moods, knowing what upsets her & what she cares about in a way that doesn’t come as naturally with chayanne (or sunny or tubbo or anyone else really expect maybe wilbur). but that took A LOT of time and effort, months of work, and I do think he’s a bit wary of the idea of having to do that again, even when it comes to people he loves like chayanne (or god forbid tubbo).
now tubbo is not wil. tubbo is not phil's son. but he’s still not dissimilar to wil in phil’s mind. whatever the backstory is, phil introduces tubbo to tallulah as an old friend of him and wil’s. he makes tubbo his kids’ godfather. he calls tubbo his boy. he looks out for him. but past those first few weeks, their relationship doesn’t progress. they mean a lot to each other bc of their pasts, but they don’t put any work into upkeeping their relationship and phil in particular doesn’t reflect at all on what how that changes their dynamic. and it does change it—this is clear in purgatory, with phil having zero trust in tubbo to protect chayanne and tallulah, and after, with tubbo endlessly poking at phil’s sore spots trying to illicit a reaction he’ll never receive.
it's also clear in the way phil has no understanding of what’s going on with tubbo. if he’s struggling to grasp chay’s emotions, he’s not even touching what’s going on in tubbo’s head. tubbo’s death makes no sense to him. it’s sudden. it’s random. it’s illogical. it’s stupid. he wasn’t joking about having two lives? he still took a death bet with richas? he’s not come back? he can’t come back? he’s left phil with distraught kids for no reason with no warning. he doesn’t see the erratic suicidal behaviour, the unending depression, the desperation to be loved. he doesn’t want to see it. he doesn’t want something to be wrong with tubbo, but he also doesn’t even know how to see what’s wrong. he’s annoyed he’s having to deal with it and he desperately desperately wants to believe this is all happening for no reason.
bc at the forefront of phil’s mind is still his love for tubbo. of course, phil would drop everything to help tubbo (if he could recognize something was wrong). of course, he would care for sunny as his own. of course, he would make the same sacrifices he’s made for wil. and he assumes he’ll have to. he thought that sunny would now be under his care. that he’d have to figure out the logistics of a third egg to care for. with wilbur, phil was the only person who could ever have taken care of tallulah. the only person he trusted, the only person who knew tallulah enough. now this isn’t true for tubbo. it’s a genuinely illogical assumption for phil to make: three eggs would be a genuine burden on him; they've never spoken about it; there’s a long list of people who would tubbo expects for sunny before; and he doesn’t even know sunny well enough to name these people for her as comfort.
but still in the moment, alone with tubbo’s eggs and dealing with everything he left behind, phil can only think that the exact same thing that happened before will happen: he alone will be left to care for another scared hurt kid of someone he loves.
and here we come to sunny. a kid whose dad he loves. a kid whose dad he doesn’t understand. a kid whose dad is suddenly gone like his son is gone. a kid who would need him like his daughter needs him. a kid who his son needs to protect. a kid he cares for. a kid he can’t afford to care for, a kid he wasn’t expecting to care for, a kid he doesn’t know how to care for, a kid he would care for if he needed to, a kid he doesn’t know why he’s been left to care for. a kid who is somehow a reflection of all these people he loves but not someone he knows at all.
idk i think this tension comes out in the a lot of the comments phil makes of and to sunny. he doesn't know them well enough to distinguish them from his relationships with other people. and as long as no one challenges him on that, we'll continue to hear these misplaced comments from him, that come across so insensitively, even as he tries his best to genuinely help them and their dad.
#qsmp#qsmp philza#qsmp sunny#suicide#philza neg#qphil neg#i guess i'll tag out of an abundance of caution even if i don't intend this analysis meanly#that said he is absolutely being unfair to sunny and hurting her bc of this and he doesn't even realize#and won't realize unless someone else talks to him about it#lest sunny just snap at him some day which i do think is what we're currently headed to#fun fact: i intended to do more analysis of his actual comments but it got too long so instead you just get this :)#even tho i think this covers too much in too little time and could reference more canon events lmao#but it's already a behemoth#oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯#also nothing is ever going to justify the 'maybe i won't look for your dad as hard' comment fuck him fr for that#cw wilbur soot#won't delete this but warning he's mentioned here
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i don't think that i will ever talk about dsmp meta to the degree that i used to ever again. idk i feel wilbur soot's absence so heavily in fanworks and in what the content creators are doing too. so many parts that would've included him clearly cut from tommy's live show, so many deleted fanworks that are unrecoverable, it's just this big insanely depressing black hole and blank space that makes it hard to continue to be part of this community or want to engage with anything here when so much has been stripped away. it feels like there's barely anything left. and what's left is unrecognizable
#i think about deleting this blog fairly often#but i would never do that because so much art and meta would be lost#so idk. idk#just been really feeling like i don't want to be part of this community anymore#which i thought i'd never feel like that. so it extra sucks#personal#negative#wilbur soot#<- for blacklist
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Dear Wilbur content fans:
Please don’t be “tone deaf” when posting art or content aka ignoring or not caring about the issue.
This seems to be a problem when content creators do something bad, and things like art, especially positive art, are posted without care (like with Dream during the allegations).
For context, Shelby/Shubble came out about how an ex was abusive and manipulative to her and it turned out that ex is Wilbur. After Wilbur “apologized” many other close content creators called him out on it and said how manipulative he was to them.
So, again, please don’t be “tone deaf” about this situation.
#wilbur#wilbur soot#lovejoy#wilbur mcyt#wilbur qsmp#mcyt#tw abuse#tw manipulation#shubble#minecraft#dream mention#tw dream#wilbur neg#wilbur situation#discourse
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How about you DON’T make the debut album as well, ain’t nobody hearing it.
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Every time I go on Twitter a new CC is being exposed for being a horrible person, and I look into it and everything seems legit, and then I die a little inside.
I'm angry, I'm so angry that the world is like this. But I also need the former fans to know that if they fell for the masks these people put on its not their fault. Looking back things seem obvious but they often weren't at the time. Or we were too young or naive to see it. It's okay to forgive yourself. No one is omniscient.
#mcyt#wilbur soot#punz#georgenotfound#as someone who had some very negative experiences with someone irl#the shame of not seeing something coming is overwhelming#that shame kept me quiet#i wondered how i could be so naive#i eventually talked to my friends and realized we all felt this way after our trust was betrayed#the point is many people have been here but we dont talk about it and that makes things worse#i hope you get what im trying to say
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that feel when your old comfort videos have clips like this in them and you have to reevaluate the last four years again
fuck wilbur soot and go support shubble
#fuck wilbur soot#fuck all the way off you disgusting man#wilbur neg#Waste of space#I hope whoever lexi's abuser is also get yeeted into the fucking sun#I spent literal hours listening to his music i'll never get back#vent post#tw abuse#wilbur soot#give me back my hours of watching you and careing about your stories and content#fuck you#this was race to meat mountain btw
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"i accept wilbur's apology"
imagine you go on the street and get punched in the face by someone. then another totally random bystander comes up to you both and says "it's okay, i forgive you" to your attacker. see how fucking stupid that sounds?
the only person who has the right to accept or reject it is shelby, and wilbur's other personal victims.
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Okay please no one come for me because I genuinely just do not understand a lot of how YouTube works. So Tommy has been my comfort YouTuber for a while now and I love so so many of his older videos. But a lot of those videos include Wilbur. To be clear I do not support Wilbur, he's an abuser and manipulative and just all around fucking terrible. Does watching those old videos with Wilbur in them but not on his channel still support him?
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