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samasmith23 · 1 year

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Doctor Octopus unmasking Spider-Man in Web of Death

So here’s something I always found fascinating about the brilliant Web of Death storyline from the otherwise infamous Spider-Man: Clone Saga!

This was actually the first time since the classic Stan Lee & Steve Ditko Amazing Spider-Man era where Doctor Octopus had unmasked Spider-Man, except Otto had completely different reactions when discovering it was Peter Parker underneath the mask.

In Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #12, Peter was forced to fight Doc Ock when the latter kidnapped Betty Brant, but his spider-powers were significantly weakened due to him coming down with the flu. Octavius was shocked that he had defeated Spidey so easily considering that the latter put up quite a challenge when they fought in the previous issue. So when Otto unmasked Spider-Man to only discover it was Peter underneath, he simply assumed Peter was a weakling imposter instead of the actual Spider-Man (a misunderstanding which also fooled Betty and even J. Jonah Jameson).

Conversely in Web of Death, Otto had taken notice of Spider-Man’s drastic change in behavior. He was deeply disturbed by Spidey's grim-&-gritty “I am the Spider” phase, reminiscing on the once good and noble adversary whom over the years Otto had built up a twisted level of respect towards.

So when Otto confirms that the rumors of Spidey dying of an incurable virus administered by the Vulture during the previous story arc Back From The Edge are indeed true, Octavius unmasks Spidey and takes him back to this lab in order to create an antidote that will save Peter’s life.

Only this time Otto actually believes that Peter and Spider-Man are one and the same person, even reflecting back on the time he previously unmasked Peter back in Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #12 and questioning to himself why he didn't believe he Peter was Spider-Man back then.

I really loved this clever nod to the Lee & Ditko era, as it felt like a perfect book-ending at the time to Peter & Otto’s rivalry at the time considering that Peter's clone Kaine would later snap Doctor Octopus’ neck at the very end of the arc.

While many people complained about Doctor Octopus’s death at the hands of Kaine in the Web of Death being too sudden and poorly thought out, I’ve personally always disagreed with that criticism. Not only because the writers J.M. DeMatteis & Tom DeFalco dedicated 4 entire issues to fleshing out Otto Octavius’ relationship and history with Spider-Man (i.e. having him save Peter from death, because in his own twisted way he believed that continuously fighting someone as noble as Spidey provided him a connection to his own past humanity), but also because from a thematic perspective the narrative repeatedly built up Kaine as this shadowy figure watching all the events from afar, acting like a stalking predator waiting for the opportune moment to strike its prey. In essence Web of Death frames Kaine as the looming shadow of death itself. This framing is further enhanced through Kaine’s inner monologues about wanting to preserve Peter & Mary Jane’s happiness whilst seeing Doctor Octopus and his lover Stunner as a threat to said-happiness.

So when Otto Octavius final does cure Peter of the virus that was killing him and announces his intentions to continue fighting Spidey in an endless loop (to satisfy his own warped vision of the connection that he and Peter now share) as he voluntarily allows himself to be arrested, it only makes sense thematically for Kaine to sweep in and finally eliminate the threat to Peter’s happiness.

And while I will concede that the brawl between Otto & Kaine is rather quick, I do honestly really love how their fight is contrasted with scenes of Peter & MJ constructing a crib for their soon-to-be-born child (Web of Death was the story that revealed MJ’s pregnancy), conveying that while Peter had escaped the clutches of death and was finally embracing life, Otto’s nihilistic obsession with continuously fighting Spidey resulted in his own demise.

Plus, having Kaine kill Doc Ock helps to further elevate his threat level as an antagonist to Peter Parker & Ben Reilly, since while the previous villain Kaine killed in the corresponding story Web of Life, the Grim Hunter (aka, the then-late Kraven the Hunter’s son, Vladimir Kravinoff), was a minor d-lister, Octavius was both a heavy-hitter and one of Spidey’s oldest and deadliest enemies!

Overall, Web of Death holds a special place in my heart since this 4-part storyline was actually the very first part of The Clone Saga I ever read in full due to the single issues being available and cheap at the time on ComiXology, and I had heard about Otto’s death in these issues as a little kid through my old Spider-Man character guidebooks and encyclopedias. And reading this arc not only gave me an even greater appreciation for Otto Octavius’s relationship with Spider-Man that I hadn’t experienced in the comics since Dan Slott’s run on Superior Spider-Man (I honestly can't help but wonder if Otto's characterization in Web of Death partially influenced Slott's later portrayal of the character) but the it was also my first official introduction to the writing of J.M. DeMatteis, who’s since become one of my top 5 all-time favorite comic authors!

#spider man #peter parker #doctor octopus #doc ock #otto octavius #kaine parker #clone saga #web of death #superior spider man #stan lee #steve ditko #jm dematteis #tom defalco #mark bagley #sal buscema #stunner #dan slott #90s comics #mini essay

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zaptap · 7 months

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ok maybe the clone saga gets worse later but this? this is good

#spider man #amazing spider man #web of death #doctor octopus

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fjorrd · 2 years

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on death with 1. lilies abounded, @petfurniture, twitter; 2. frances molina, “o’death”

#.chatter #web weaving #poetry #on death

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prokopetz · 8 months

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I understand that The Amazing Digital Circus is ripe for "what if the main character snapped and killed everybody" crackfic, but y'all, if Pomni went off the deep end she would not be your sexy glitchcore murderwife. She'd do it screaming and flailing, and it'd make Tom and Jerry sound effects the whole time she's killing you.

#media #cartoons #animation #web animation #the amazing digital circus #tadc #pomni #fandom #fanfic #crackfic #violence mention #death mention #bonk bonk bonk doonk SPROING #that's what your death would sound like

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thecosmoswhispers · 9 months

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Shelter dogs are still just dogs. You are still a dog. You still love.

— quote from a piece someone rewrote.

i'll add credits asap! (i say, about every recent web weave i post)

#☆ my web weaves #web weaves #web weaving #webweave #webweaves #web weave #webweaving #poetry #this is messy my bad guys #dog poetry #canine poetry #dog motif #canine motif #on love #on devotion #on loyalty #on waiting #on death

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paradoxarchive · 1 year

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i am too in love with life, i don't want to die (i cannot fathom the absence of living)

#web weave #web weaving #on death #on life #on mortality #on hope #the self #poem #poetry #sunlightafterdark #mary oliver #amy krouse rosenthal #joseph brodsky #gregory orr #paradox creation

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violetbudd · 11 months

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goth blinkies based on their albums

made by me using ezgifs, lunapic, phonto, and online image editor. do not repost or claim as yours. border template made by @moogoomonkey

#depeche mode #london after midnight #the cure #bauhaus #christian death #diva destruction #alien sex fiend #blinkies #web graphics #my blinkies #some fonts are not the bands actual font

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sageandscorpiongrass · 9 months

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Have you ever thought about losing your brother?

me vs. making webweaves on dying and family. really this was just an excuse to think about killing flies.

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dont-leafmealone · 6 days

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Something to commemorate the downfall

#quotev #quotev death #I've been on that godforsaken webbed site for 8 goddamn years #almost HALF my life #never figured I'd actually still be on there when it went down #obviously it still exists but they're out of their minds if they think enough people will stay for the worse-than-wattpad fic and crappy ui

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itschoahyuna · 7 months

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the-team-sucks · 24 days

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Its been an honour, RT, till next time 🫡

(this is not a real product I just whipped it up)

#roosterteeth #achievement hunter #rtah #rvb #red vs blue #camp camp #rwby #death battle #on the spot #annual pass #amna #stinky dragon pod #red web #face jam #fuckface #rooster teeth #rt pod

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heartscrypt · 7 months

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mfw im trying to explain to my coworker that having a paranoia induced breakdown is actually the most sane thing i can do rn given the situations i be in

bonus:

#tma #the magnus archives #jonathan sims #jarchivist #martin blackwood #jonmartin #heartscribbles #yes this is a redraw of the pepe silvia img i hope thats obvious #NO IGNITION SOURCES IN THE ARCHIVES! (promptly sticks a lit cigarette and the web lighter in his bun for safekeeping)#s2 jon is so hellish to relisten to but hes also the funniest freak alive #''supplemental. i broke into gertrudes flat'' you WHAT.#he really does put the 'mental' in 'supplemental'....#martin better than me i woild just stone this guy to death. (joke)

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alasforher · 8 months

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Euripides, from "Orestes", An Oresteia (trans. Anne Carson)

Our Flag Means Death (created by David Jenkins)

#this womans work starts playing #web weaving #euripides #gentlebeard #blackbonnet #our flag means death #ofmd #ed teach #blackbeard #stede bonnet #taika waititi #rhys darby #david jenkins #ofmdaily #ofmdedit #userelio #useraurore

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ruinsofathen · 2 years

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digital immortality | virtual e-morality

1. blueskies-bluescreens on tumblr 2. death, virtual grief and your digital footprint 3. online status of a steam community user 4. my journal dot com 5. & 7. hacked-wtsdz on tumblr 6. STurner4077 on twitter 8. the new forms of mourning by julie alev dilmaç 9. all the ghosts in the machine: illusions of immortality in the digital age 10. unknown 11. fairycosmos on tumblr 12. researching death online

#web weaving #compilations #parallels #words #cw death #emortality #digital immortality #internet #things of interest #cyberspace #academic research #transhumanism #immorality #god this fucks me up #if you're ever tired of being known for who you know #you know you'll always know me #and i'll always know you

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kermit-coded · 1 month

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But There's No One Else That I Would Go To Hell For

murmur by cameron barnett // dead boy detectives (2024) // ocean vuong // dead boy detectives (2024) // to be haunted by jessie lynn mcmains // dead boy detectives (2024) // marjane satrapi // dead boy detectives (2024) // adonis, from selected poems (tr. khaled mattawa) // dead boy detectives (2024) // a field guide to getting lost by rebecca solnit // dead boy detectives (2024) // selected poems by leonard cohen // adonis, from selected poems (tr. khaled mattawa) // dead boy detectives (2024) // talk by hozier // dead boy detectives (2024) // everything is illuminated by jonathan safran foer

#this show has me in a fucking death grip #my webweaving #web weaving #dead boy detectives #edwin paine #charles rowland #dead boy detective agency #edwin payne #payneland #paineland #dc #dc comics #sandman universe #paynland #painland #chedwin #dbd

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grendel-menz · 9 months

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a mini comic about the end of the world

#art #my art #digital art #comic #character design #ocs #original characters #web comic #the sudden death of everything #just a little peak

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