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Unredeemable villain who is madly in love with the hero and kind of obsesses with them + Tired hero who was neglected by the people they were supposed to save and isn't quite sure about their relationship with the villain but they are the only person who showed them any kind of love, even if it's twisted, so they are willing to accept it
Is this too specific? Is there any kind of book or story with this type of relationship? I really need to know
#writing prompt#hero x villain#tired hero#unredeemable villain#enemy to lovers#dark romance#book recommendations
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Okay i got so mad at the YT villain playlists that i made my own
Please please please reblog this I need people to give me suggestions and also see this because omg I need people to have a good villain playlist.
#NO! GIVE ME TRUE EVIL BITCHES!#music moment#i made this true villain playlist#it's filled with songs i love#bit THIS one is like#unredeemable villain#cause the ones on yt are like#sadboy villains that can be redeemed#and I said#anyways this playlist was made for those true villain babes out there.#Spotify
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i understand that teenagers should know the consequences of their actions but i also think its crazy how so many fandoms make a teenager the biggest villain of the show
like sometimes its a teenager who was going through a lot and made a mistake and regrets it but then fandom always frame them as a super villain who is pure evil instead of a teenager who did a understandable mistake?
#gwen stacy#into the spider verse#across the spiderverse#spider man across the spider verse#spider gwen#ghost spider#i could also include owen lawton in this#i could also tag kid omega but i think its more of a “how are you guys forgiving sinister and his eugenics#and then saying kid omega is unredeemable and a villain and the worst xmen character“#i understand that hes an asshole but we got characters a lot more assholes than the pink haired asshole
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people on tiktok well on all social media sites actually will loudly critique the fact some people (especially those who only watched the movies) “didn’t get the point of the hunger games” and then turn around and say gale is the worst person in the universe and treat him like he’s a monster, and that all these traits are innate characteristics completely isolated from the circumstances in which he lived and the people around him. like girlie i think maybe YOU didn’t get the point here either.
#obviously this isn’t to say you need to or were “supposed to” like gale#there are a lot of good reasons to criticize him. esp wrt his sense of entitlement to katniss.#but he’s not supposed to be a Villain™️#like he’s a poor traumatized (brown coded) boy whose very valid anger was used to groom him into a perfect soldier.#kind of almost like it’s a critique on the militarization of young boys. esp those who are underprivileged.#which doesn’t excuse his actions & it doesn’t mean you have to like him#but it’s enraging when people act like he is a heartless monster who is unredeemable or whatever. like. oh that’s not….#bonus points if they babygirlify cato and clove (and marvel and glimmer) and cry about how they’re just kids#+ “they were only the way they are bc of the capitol 🥺”.#like yes it’s a big point that they were kids groomed to be child soldiers because the capitol pressured and “rewarded” career districts#to churn out child soldiers and whatnot. but that. ok.#truly just how do you hold the belief that to an extent excuses them or at least makes them sympathetic—#—but then not extend that empathy to gale. side eye.#esp bc a lot of the stuff is taking potshots at gale to uplift peeta/everlark.#like. uh! okay!#obligatory disclaimer i don’t actually like gale. however i am at my limit on weird and bad and inconsistent takes on him.#yeah he sucks. almost like that’s because he was horrifically oppressed by the captiol + then was groomed to be the ideal soldier by coin.#crazy how that’s the point.#and AGAIN. doesn’t EXCUSE what he does. but it’s important to acknowledge bc it v much contextualizes who and what he is and does.#the hunger games#gale hawthorne#i don’t think i need to tag this in the anti tag but lmk
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Okay. So the bad batch teaser is out and many fans have rightfully called out star wars out on the clones still being whitewashed. In response to this outcry, the bad batch stans have called out these angered fans for being overdramatic, stupid and theatrical, all over a cartoon. And while poc don't have a responsibility to teach you just how a cartoon can have an impact on us, I want to give it a try from my perspective. Its a bit long but try would you?
So, I'm brown, desi, and darker than most desis so I've basically been identified as the unfortunate child who didn't end up with the right genes in the family. Desi culture is obsessed with white skin, no surprise keeping in mind the British's involvement, but that's not the point. As a child, I really pissed off my parents for not bleaching my skin regularly and not washing my face ten times a day because by then, I considered any form of skin care as an evil. I hated that I had to do it all to get whiter and so I rebelled against any form of skin care. I hated all the damned whitening creams that were meant to make me beautiful because while it wasn't being stated explicitly, I was ugly for being darker.
In the 90s and 2000s, Desi movies from Pakistan and India showcased darker actresses as the ugly girl in the movie. The one who wanted the guy but wouldn't get him. The one who was pining for a guy who was however pining for the pretty white desi girl. And even if the dark girl somehow did end up winning the heart of the hero, it wasn't because he thought she was beautiful... it was because she had a great personality or was kind or whatever. But despite everything, watching Rani Mukherjee on screen, who I saw myself in, made me feel all sorts of giddy. When she did get the guy and he did tell her he loved her and she did get the happy ending, I believed it was possible for me too, despite being told by every passing aunt and uncle that I'd have a hard time getting a guy, if at all. Rani Mukherjee's presence on screen gave me hope because it told me that I could exist in this fucked up world and expect some form of happiness.
This sole example kept me going for a very long while. I'm not saying it helped me forget everything that had been engrained into my head for the first thirteen years of my life. It didn't make me rethink everything or made me more confident in my own skin. It didn't make me embrace my color, or my features, or my nose or my darker lips. But I knew I didn't have to be ashamed of the way I looked. And that there was more beauty in this world than the Eurocentric beauty I had been forced to accept as the only beauty since I was born . Seeing someone who looked like me has made a difference! This one person's presence on screen helped!
So, for those of you who are screaming out louder than the fans who are very rightfully angered by the whitewashing of the bad batch, you need to stop for a second. If you're white, you've never even had to think about this! That is because every actor in Star Wars looks like you! Bar some aliens and mace windu, the multitude of characters in star wars are white. The greatest jedis, the greatest villains, every skywalker, Kenobi, Rey, Ben Solo, Han, Padme and any other major character you can think of. You don't have to worry about how it feels to not be seen. You've been shown again and again that every princess looks like you and every actress resembles you and every hero has your face!
Polynesians were given a singular chance to see themselves in Star Wars as the clones who were modeled off a polynesian actor. This amazing role that showed us that people of all colors and races do exist! How hard is it to put yourself in our shoes, and empathize for one second, just how awful it feels to see that sole role snatched away ? That out of the millions of stories to tell about the clones, star wars chose to focus on the white versions of the clones. That they actually informed the fans, and proudly might I add, that they chose to model the clones off of white actors? That they went ahead and decided that for some reason it was okay that Tech have a British accent (???). Why is it so hard to understand that its absolutely horrible to see the one role offered to a colored guy, be transformed into a white man who, lets not forget, are supposed to be a new and improved version of the OG clones. And that the only one who most accurately resembles the clones, was made the bumbling brute of the group. And that the young girl who was a copy of Jango is not only blonde, but whiter than any clone ever seen on screens.
Can't you pull yourselves out from your own bubbles for just one second to understand the point of view of those against the bad batch? When they're telling you that the franchise's decision to whitewash one of the few colored characters is hurting them, cant you see why? That when an author tells us it was too hard to bother finding out how polynesian hair works, cant you see why the outrage makes sense? Every decision that star wars makes has an effect on the fans and its absurd for you to negate the impact that media has on all our lives.
#well... this is personal but idk man i think its so obvious why were angry and its so weird to see others say we have no right to be#like theres abolutely nothing in star wars for colored fans except a few examples and you wnat to take that away too?#and offer us nothing but poc as unredeemable villains now?#how can it go over tbb stans heads???#hoooooooooowwwwwwwww?#unwhitewashtbb#the bad batch#the fact that i have seen multiple people argue with me instead of understand my point and tell me its not that big a deal#and that how they as poc still enjoy these shows because tehy dont care?#FINE! DONT CARE! I DO!#But to be spoken over and told to shutup because we are making a big deal out of somehting is just fucked up
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Thoughts on Miraculous Ladybug : A Comment from YouTube I'm proud of about themes and Chloe
The thing that confuses me is theme wise Akumas are people who are hurt/have been wronged. who feel alone or like that hurt isn't being seen, who then lash out to try to make that hurt seen or help themselves...often in ways that don't make sense logically to us but makes sense to them in the heat of the negative emotions. but the point is these 'villains' are in fact victims. they are people who are hurting and who need help and when you find the core of their problem (represented by an item that often is connected to their problem) and acknowledge it/break it open. then your able to have a chance to actually talk to them/calm them down and give them the help they need.
the show has been pointing to the fact that the 'villains' are victims where in these cases we blame the ones who act like they understand or are there for the victims and who encourage them down bad paths(in this case hawkmoth).
but the show has used Chloe in particular to both have Marinette stand up to someone bad and not let them get away with stuff and shows if your firm about it they aren't unbeatable or that strong. and the show has used Chloe in particular to show as well that people are complex. that even if Mari personally doesn't like someone it doesn't mean they don't have problems and that they might need help seeing how to be better. Marinette went from seeing Chloe as simply evil to seeing how complex Chloe was (and honestly kind of pitiful).
so what I don't understand is if they make chloe completely unredeemable..... If we are supposed to take that at face value...why the HELL should I believe Mari would give Gabriel /hawkmoth a chance or any understanding when Gabe has been terrible all season and been terrible as hawkmoth?
if they invalidate the arc of Chloe which they had been using to teach Mari to reach out to the bad guy because they might be hurting and need help like the victims...why would I believe Mari would reach out to hawkmoth?
even more when WE the audience know that Chloe's downward spiral was a direct plan by Gabriel. hawkmoth isolated Chloe on a rooftop, cut of her line to signal to ladybug literally by cutting the wire to the signal, told her that her parents were targeted because of her, implying that he might keep doing so when she had no way to protect herself since she had understood ladybug saying she couldn't be a hero anymore for her and pollen's safety...just for Chloe to be targeted anyway and for pollen and the other Kwami being stolen and not been properly protected.
like I get why Mari and others think Chloe was just being her entitled self, upset about not being the bee....but WE the audience knows that Chloe only agreed to side with hawkmoth to free her parents who were hostages and because if she didn't he would have kept pollen and the rest...and she had no idea how he'd react if she rejected his offer when she literally couldn't protect herself AND the literally master at manipulating emotions dug directly into her insecurities that he set up with this scenario.
So while I get Mari misunderstanding Chloe at irredeemable.....WE the audience knows better and more about the situation.
it feels even weirder because Chloe's spiraling had a direct parallel to both Adrien and Marinette who relied on old behaviors to cope and distract from their real issues and semi pushed people away to not face those issues. Chloe being worse could work as relying on being mean to cope because THAT is what she knows and is good at. its familiar and she thinks (the literal biggest fan of ladybug) that she probably does feel guilty for what she did...but she can't take it back and burnt that bridge...so Chloe relying on being mean to try to feel a sense of control.
Pretending like she chose to be mean again on her own makes sense.
even more as a contrasting cry for help because Mari had others who would try to reach out to her where we got to see she was covering up her really issues and stress of her guilt of the loss of master fu. while Chloe was able to push everyone away and no one realized Chloe's actions were a cry for help.....
like, on one hand people have to face consequences for their choices...but on the other the show has spent the whole time reminding us that the people acting out are victims and the true villains are the ones who take advantage of their hurt to lead them into further bad actions...which could lead to people not seeing they need help.
why the hell is the show expecting me to hate Chloe and see her as irredeemable when her downfall was a direct plan by Gabriel/hawkmoth and Lila?! like I can understand believing she should know better but she KNOWS no one likes her which means she is vulnerable to emotional manipulation! and she was cornered into that big downfall she thinks she can't come back from since she failed the one person who had given her a chance.
she literally got replaced by her sister Zoey who everyone liked better and who found being nice easy to understand compared to Chloe who struggled and who's best progress came from trying to not disappointed Adrien and her teddy bear!
even more her father was the worst! he's racist, spoils Chloe but never gives her real attention/guidance and her mother literally hates her, thinks she's useless, forgets her name and bad talks her all the time and they going to stick Chloe with her mom who was the literally worst?
what's even more frustrating is while I could understand it being a 'this is what happens if you don't take the chances to change since it's not other people's jobs to fix you' it undercuts alot of lessons in previous episodes if Chloe is completely unredeemable!
#miraculous ladybug#miraculous adventures of ladybug and chat noir#ladybug#chloe#queen bee#redemption#themes#adrien#marinette#chat noir#hawkmoth#gabriel#pollen#final#unredeemable#akumas#akuma victims#villians#villains#akuma villains#akuma#butterfly#bees#zoey
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funny that I randomly start thinking about slugterra again and then immediately find out there’s a new series- anyway getting my ascension predictions out before I’m immediately proven wrong. missed this guy a lot tbh. bastard
#slugterra#dr. blakk#anyone remember this show? no?#the grip he had on my brain in 2014…#anyway i think he should be a little fucked up looking and the mismatched arms was SUCH a cool design choice#we like absoluely unredeemable villains here sir#anyway he was the most interesting character in this show idc#HES SO HARD TO DRAW WHY#gonna stop tagging before the insane ramble starts lads#robo art#making content that appeals to me and me alone#hoverblade beloved btw
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i know it's been said before but seriously. the more i think about ushari the sadder i get. dude really was fucked over by everyone and didn't even get a scrap of a chance at redemption
#the same goes for all of 'unredeemed' characters but ushari is definitely the most tragic#and i will stand and die on the hill that the reptiles + sumu had it worst#they were never gonna get a redemption and that's. really disappointing#or even some sort of closure#the skinks got blasted by the lion guard before ushari died and were never seen again#kenge and sumu were 1/2 episode characters#i respect that the show is so large and there's so many characters HOWEVER#i'd prefer them to develop the villains#like please.#i would wait 10000000000 years to watch a spin off with the outlanders#tell me everything about them every detail why they're bad EVERYTHING#<- i went off there lmao#but it's true#it's what i want to see#i don't want quickly redeemed villains i want DEPTH#well.. at least janja and mzingo were redeemed in the end. that's something#watch me make an entire post about how each of the outlanders would be 'redeemed'#the lion guard#tlg#the lion guard thoughts#ushari#spinny rant
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uhm...
Tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this
#Like how come the unredeemable villains of the manga I have read does all look the same?#is it some kind of stereotype in japanese culture?#asking genuinely#aechmea#houseki no kuni#chishiya shuntaro#alice in borerland#peter ratri#the promised neverland#I'd argue about the fact that Norman and Phos have a lot in common too#but that's material for another meme
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Fun Rebels tag drinking game: Take a shot for every Thrawn simp wringing their hands about the show possibly portraying their favorite asshole fascist as a bad guy, gasp shock and horrors!
#thrawn can have sympathetic motivations a likable characterization and understandable motives and STILL be an unredeemable villain guys#having good reasons for doing the terrible things does not in fact justify or absolve you of doing said terrible things#you cannot work for the empire for any length of time and not eventually become complicit in their atrocities#at which point if you are *actually* a Good Person... you leave#not stick around hoping to get yourself into a better position of power so that you can control the galaxy *better* than the other guys#dunking on the blue bastard#taking out the rebels tag trash#and zahn is on thin ice for his characterization of thrawn in the new books fyi
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Does anyone else think that Heathers the movie is better than the musical, or is it just me?
#heathers#heathers the movie#heathers the musical#I just think that the musical tried to justify a lot of JDs actions#I prefer movie JD who does insane shit and kills people just because he thinks it’s silly#I have a thing for unredeemable villains#please tell i’m not the only one
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[quick ramble]
[being SO real rn i think clown is] [one of if not the ONLY character who is truely, utterly evil] [including the characters i have out of taocc]
[maybe not the only. but there are definitely less than 10, maybe even less than FIVE, out of HUNDREDS of characters. and even then? clown tops EVERY SINGLE VILLAIN, i've EVER HAD, in the span of ACTUAL YEARS in how evil he is]
[he is literally unforgivable. all my other villains are terrible, but they have reasons. good or bad reasons, they have reasons. clown has none] [and he cares for nobody] [even his friends he views as less than himself]
#clown is literally unredeemable#the SINGULAR POSSIBILITY of his redemption is essentially impossible to achieve#and he wouldnt choose to be redeemed. he doesnt see himself as someone in need of redemption#he basically seems himself as a god#ask blog#tadc anon#honk honk#ringleader soup#i love him sm. i loveeeee my absolutely horribly evil villain#also “friends” lmao hes about to have like. 0. maybe 1 and if hes lucky 2#the people who dont know abt what he's done (yet) don't count
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it kind of funny how MXTX novels will flat out tell you a character flaw or how this person is doing a bad thing or that something is subjective and people will ignore it
#cipher talk#I'm not exaggerating the narration will directly state something sometimes and people will go 'debate me on the complete opposite'#Or 'this novel about how you cant necessarily judge good and evil easily has many clear Unredeemable Villains'#Fandoms are weird places to be#Imagine if I looked dead in the camera and said 'the character I'm portraying is greedy and the actions I'm currently taking are an example#And people said 'no the character is super generous actually' that's basically what I'm witnessing#I get being down bad on the blorbo defense squad but man do you actually like them if you don't accept they're a bit terrible?#And if you hate a character You Do Not Have To Make Shit Up most MXTX characters have done something pretty fucked up
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Imma be real with y’all, I ain’t ready to see what golden heart is actually going to be like.
#grimm says#villainous#villanos#villainous golden heart#golden heart#I know I got years to wait but I ain’t ready#The way Alan talks about him makes him sound like an unredeemable jack ass and I don’t want that#I want complicated guy who’s willing to do anything to ensure world peace becomes off as an asshole half the time#it’s Alan’s show and he has the right to write about whatever he wants I’m just kind of disappointed in the whole direction of it
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People with the inability to form opinions about the media they consume and just go with the content face value piss me off. Wtf dym that you agree with everything the show is saying? ITS SAYING BAD THINGS LIKE OBJECTIVELY BAD AND UR IGNORING IT BECAUSE YOU ACCEPT EVERYTHING IT SAYS FACE VALUE!
#I’m gonna have a fight with someone istg#there’s this person who whenever spectacular Spider-Man is brought up refuses to hear anything#about the show that goes against the information it wants you to think#like they say Gwen’s the best and Liz is evil#won’t ankowglage the fact that it has flaws#or understand it was hinting twards things before it got canceled#AND HATES EVERYONE EVIL BECAUSE LIKING THE VILLAINS IS BAD AND THEY ARE APPARENTLY#UNREDEEMABLE#god please get the ability to THINK FOR YOURSELF
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@heroesxdemons discussed an rp between Eva Rainsong and Magilou!
Sniffing from afar, her senses picked up a gift being left for a powerful fae as a gust of wind swept through the area. Magilou would see a fae suddenly as if from nowhere inside the protected fae ring devouring the gifts she left... including the inanimate objects. Though Eva wasn’t stupid, her nose sniffing out the witch, “And what do we have here? Someone appealing to me for an audience? I’d make it quick or I might just sink my teeth into you... but you’re ever so cute as well. Maybe I’ll be gentle then if I lose my patience.”
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