I watched Infinity War today, sometimes I question why I liked it so much because half the things they do pisses me off. Especially Quill he pisses me off so much.

And STEVE, don’t even get me started on him. “We don’t trade lives,” JUST A MOVIE A GO YOU WERE PREACHING THAT WE NEED ACCEPT THAT IN YOUR LINE OF WORK YOU CAN’T SAVE EVERYONE. And than he goes ahead sacrifices a bunch of people (POCs) to save a ROBOT! Who mind you could be made again.

But I guess that only applies to faceless people. Not to the people you know personally and especially not if Wanda loves that person. I hate his hypocritical ass so much.

Craig Brown: becomes a serial killer after losing his family

Wendy Martin: mind rapes the avengers, sets hulk in Johannesburg, is the catalyst behind ultron, mind rapes a whole town, traverses the multiverse to kill a teenager and steal her power, kills members of the illuminati, her alter self all to get back make believe kids

Stove Rogue: aided and abetted HYDRA by keeping Howard and Maria's deaths a secret, most likely used tonys money to hunt for his parents murderer, lied to Tony, broke a plethora of international laws & spat in 117 countries faces

Tony Stark: made a couple dark humour jokes (I don't agree with them) and used to be a weapons manufacturer.

Wendy Stove, & Craig stans: Tony Stark is a murderer and transphobe and rape apologist :)

Me, a tony stan:

honestly steve deserved to be a little meaner in civil war

“steve you have to sign the accords”

“oh right i totally should sign my rights away to a government who i exposed to have been infiltrated by nazis for DECADES. i’m sure nothing bad will happen if i do that”

“i should let the government dictate my life when all i’ve ever done is save the world by going AGAINST the government. sounds like a great plan”

like t0ny stans love to say he was being horribly selfish and mean in civil war, which he… wasn’t, but i think he should have been

I came across THE ABSOLUTE BEST comment on an AO3 MCU fic!! The person who commented it even cited their sources proving what they were saying by turning part of the sentence into a link -- multiple times! Idk how to do that so I'll just leave a link to the original for anyone interested in those, and paste show off the comment here!

**Warning: Please mind the tags! Within the MCU you either hate this type of fic--and therefore comment--or you're still just a salty and full of rage as you were when it all first started going downhill in 2015. In other words: Civil War Team Iron Man.**

THE COMMENT (which was a reply to a hate comment about how "amazing" and "perfect" Captain America is):

"Yes, Steve Roger is all of those things. In the comics. 616 Steve can do things like defeat two other Super Soldiers when his Serum has been turned off. He's actually a Captain instead of it just being a stage name, due to, depending on the writer, either actually going to Officer School and blitzing through it, or receiving the equivalent of Officer School training while "on the job." In the comics, Steve Rogers earned his rank under the code name of Captain America, and his "secret identity" was that of the bumbling Private Rogers. MCU Cap actually is the bumbling Private Rogers, but is treated like a trained genius tactician undeservedly.

Comics Steve Rogers is also of far better moral character. He's the sort of person who would throw his shield to alter the trajectory of someone falling in order to avoid civilians being hurt. MCU Steve Rogers is never shown caring about the people hurt in Bucharest, and has no problems treating a German SWAT team the same way he did Crossbone's goons. When in the comics everyone finds out that it was Cap's evil Hydra clone who did all sorts of terrible things, Steve admits to HYDRA Cap that he's actually glad that, thanks to HYDRA Cap, people no longer trust him as much as they did in the past, as he's actually never been comfortable with people blindly trusting him or anyone else. MCU Steve demands that people blindly trust him to have their best intentions in mind. 616 Steve has enough willpower to break free of mind control straight away; MCU Steve got stuck in Wanda's illusions like everyone else.

Also, when 616 Tony isn't being written by stupid writers as a fascist, Steve is pretty much the founder and president of the Tony Stark Defence Squad. Anyone talks crap about him, Steve reminds them of how many people his tech and charity work has helped, and on a more personal level actually appreciates how much Tony has done for him instead of accepting it as his due for saving the world once a year.

Comics Steve is respected because he deserves it and has earned it; MCU Steve demands it like an angry toddler, claiming that he's a good man when in reality he's just not as big of an asshole as the Red Skull.

The sad part is, it would have been so easy to salvage Steve's character. Show him sending a coded message to JARVIS during WS, and later say Fury mention that Tony, even with his suits all blown up, was standing by to ensure that all the non-Hydra stuff was taken off the net so that no innocent SHIELD employees were hurt and no US secrets were leaked. About 5 seconds of footage.

Show him trying to contact Tony when Wanda talks crap about Ultron being just like him to prove her wrong, and getting concerned when there's no answer and heading back to Stark Tower just to be sure. Don't show him already be in the process of charging forwards and drawing back his fist to throw a punch at Tony before his chest piece ever arrives. Add two seconds of footage where Steve tiredly asks whether Tony can call another suit to pick him up from Siberia after their fight, and have that letter include an actual apology instead of Steve just trying to justify his actions. Give Wanda an actual redemption arc and have Steve feel like, even if she was HYDRA and people don't like her, she still deserves a chance to show she's not a monster like the Red Skull was. Show Wanda being horrified that the Hulk wandered into Johannesburg, and be reluctantly grateful to Tony that he stopped her from ultimately being responsible for the deaths that a rampaging Hulk would have caused.

Instead we have MCU Steve, who seems less and less heroic the more you think about his actions, and spoilt brat Wanda."

Link to original comment thread:

https://archiveofourown.org/comments/188589974

I did not just see a post that said Tony did not grow as a person. He did, they're just too blind to see it, but am i really surprised? These are the same tony antis who act like they've never watched a single iron movie, much less a marvel movie.

sorry i’d love to stay and chat but i need to go home and think about how much i love tony stark for about 18 hours

Do me a favour - try not to bring it to life.

J-just saw a youtube comment comparing wendy martin and tony stark by saying their character arcs are the same like ???

tony stark's arc begins with him being an arrogant bajillionare genius that sleeps around and runs the company his father started from the ground up. his eyes are forcibly opened to the horrors of said company's products and is held captive and tortured by terrorists and after freeing himself of captivity through his own genius and ingenuity he ends weapons productions and promptly begins trying to right the wrongs he himself is not culpable of and finds out that a man he trusted was responsible for the illegal selling of his weapons to terrorists and puts his life on the line to stop stane (orders pepper to overcharge the reactor to kill stane even when he was in its line of fire). tony's arc is about self-growth and change and responsibility and accountability. In IM2 tony's a bit more reckless than usual because oh, yeah, he's actively dying :))))) do you know what heavy metal poisoning does to a person?

to name a few symptoms/effects. No wonder the guy was all over the place.

Wendy, however, begins her arc in the mcu as a WILLING HYDRA volunteer/agent that plots to kill tony stark for something he isn't guilty of. She mind rapes the avengers, triggers tony's ptsd, is at least 50% responsible for ultron's creation, sets the hulk on Johannesburg, plots to kill all the avengers and help ultron do so, and only backs out and changes sides when she goes into ultron’s mind (mind rape :)) and sees that his plan is GLOBAL ANNIHILATION and that includes her and her twin brother. she didn't change sides for altruistic reasons. It was self-preservation at its finest. She was a willing and eager nazi terrorist.

In CACW she accidently tosses a bomb into a building full of people and they die and/or are injured. At this time the avengers, of which she is a member, act as an unfettered, unsupervised (I'm team responsibility and accountability and oh, so is Tony) police force and so it's absolutely likely that, in real world situations, house arrest is the LEAST of wendy's problems. But she throws a tantrum and shoves vision through dozens of floors because "I can't control their fear, only my own" says the girl with the ability to mind rape people and bring up their worst fears :(((( poor bbby. At the Leipzig airport in Germany she tosses several cars at Tony, a baseline human under the suit, because "uwu u lockeded me in my woom u big meanie! :(" she then goes on, after endgame, to trap an entire town under her powers against their will (MIND RAPIST) because vision died and acts as though she's the victim and deserves sympathy??? No??? And let's not get started on her arc in Multiverse of Madness because BITCH IS CRAZY AND UNHINGED AND I hate her bye

My point is this:

tony stark is constantly trying to better himself in each movie he's in. Is he perfect? No, but at least he actively tries and does better himself.

Wanda is the same mind raping nazi HYDRA scum bitch she's always been in the mcu and she hasn't tried to better herself other than call herself a hero and offer empty apologies :)

Steve Rogers had the potential to be a good character but he ruined it is was looking thorough tumblr and Tony received a lot of hate and I don't get it people do realize tony has ptsd and anxiety and to people that say tony kidnapped stalked amd blackmailed peter he thought peter was gifted and helped him wih a better suit reason i love tony he helped harley s bully in a deleted scene he died protecting the world in avengers he went into the portal tony would probably be a tony anti I just hate this and in civil war he people he cared about turned on him and don't say tony isn't like a father to peter if you watched the spiderman movies you would know peters father figures have died now people critize tony and peters father son relationship but stan wanda and Steves I hate steve he can choke he's a superhuman tony deserves more love

don’t pity the dead. pity the living. and above all pity those who think tony stark is actually selfish. 

“tony stark is acc elon musk” is the funniest thing ive ever heard because a) have you ever watched tony stark for a single second? and b) have you seen elon musk?

There’re all these bitches out there who hate Tony Stark because he made weapons for the military and took over the family business. Yet they love Howard Stark despite him being an abuisive asshole and literally doing the same thing!

I don't really know how Tumblr warnings go so I'll just say mentions of depression, anxiety, PTSD, and similar.

It's crazy to me how people can say Tony is a billionaire, is married, has a wife, and a kid, to act like he doesn't have any problems. If you want to argue the billionaire part, don't bother. Money doesn't buy happiness and this isn't a rant about money. It's a rant about how people are so quick to assume how a person should feel if they have certain things.

(Real life relation)

What they're basically saying is if you look like what they imagine a happy life to be, you don't have any problems. "Oh you are living a comfortable lifestyle? What do you mean you're struggling emotionally!" Or "Oh you have a mom and a dad that both work hard to provide for your household? Why are you depressed then!" And that's just two examples(some people might not realize this, or are very subtle, best to educate and hope for the best.)

People do not have to look like what you associate a certain problem with. Someone could have what you deem 'a perfect life' but could be depressed.

Don't tell someone how they should feel based on what you think they should feel, that simple.

(Back to Tony)

Tony's PTSD and anxiety didn't magically stop when he got a 'happy life'. He still had those problems and even if he didn't he still had the memory of them. Acting like he shouldn't be allowed to feel any emotional hurt because he doesn't fit into what you think an emotionally hurt person should look like is just plan wrong. For him and especially real life people.

Once you can accept that people are different and have different experiences, you'll be able to understand this. If not I wish you the best and hope that one day you will learn.