I don’t like to compare suffering, but I think it is insane that this person thinks that Lucerys cutting out Aemond’s eye is worse than Lucerys being murdered by Aemond. I also have a hard time feeling sympathy for Alicent when she wanted a child mutilated because he cut out Aemond’s eye in order to protect his older brother. Besides Aemond started it by stealing Vhagar and insulting Rhaena.

me, a veteran game of thrones stan, looking at team green and team black supporters going at each others throats

greenies will call call the velaryon boys, baela, and rhaena all the names in the book (the bastardphobia and misogyny is strong with this one), but God forbid you say anything about the “innocents who never did anything wrong” jaehaerys, jaehaera, and maelor. somehow it’s the highest sin to say things/make fun of their deaths but jace, luke, and joff? open season apparently. love that for them.

It's posts like this that show that Targaryen antis are really just jealous that their favs don't have dragons. They'll bitch about how "dragons are nukes 😠", then post little fantasies like this. They really are just pathetically jealous of the Targaryens :).

Ok so Rhaenys gets on Alicent’s case about being “in service to men” and perpetuating male power.

But that entire scene was so hypocritical. Rhaenys lost her chance at having the iron throne and simply accepted it. She didn’t fight for her claim or anything. Instead she flew off to driftmark and lived her life.

Even worse, Rhaenys tried to bring Alicent down for essentially perpetuating the patriarchy by placing her son on the throne. But in the episode prior she perpetuated the patriarchy tenfold by deciding that the boy who is completely unrelated her or her son should take the throne over the daughter of her daughter. A true born heir. If you choose a bastard boy who you know is not related to your marital Velaryon family in any way (and therefore has zero claim to the lands of that family) simply because he is the assumed son of your son, over the daughter of your daughter whom you know for a fact is related to the family who owns the lands…that’s not feminism.

Say what you will about bastardy or whatever. But you can’t claim you’re a girlboss feminist when you pick an unrelated bastard boy to rule over his true born cousin who is a girl. That is perpetuating the patriarchy. That is showing that any man is better than a woman to rule according to you.

The hypocrisy of that scene was astounding. Alicent places her son on the throne over Rhaenyra (for their family’s own safety), and suddenly she’s a victim of patriarchal society (not when she was a child bride being raped tho). But Rhaenys will claim she is rocking the boat by *checks notes* accepting her title of “The Queen Who Never Was” and putting a bastard boy on the seat over her true born granddaughter simply because he is the “son” of her son.

idk about ya’ll but i will never like rhaegar targaryen

one of the funniest things that i've encountered when it comes to hotd discourse is when team black or green stans attempt comparing either alicent or rhaenrya to cersei (their worst ideal of a woman villain in asoiaf) when it's like... nobody comes close to being batshit in the way that woman is. nobody is touching her insane levels. she is poetically fucked in the head. it is solely her who can only embody her. i promise you, mrs and mrs 'i want to eat cakes with you and run away together' will never be on 'while he sleeps i eat his heirs''s plane of insanity.

i am so tired of seeing rhaenicent shippers. tbh. like great for you i love lesbians (i myself am a queer woman), and i don't care what you ship, that's not what i'm saying.

i'm complaining about the fact where every single rhaenicent shipper is mostly team black. they like to say that rhaenyra could 'save' alicent if she turned on her family. rhaenyra gets to have her family and her children and alicent should just be happy to be there??

do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? how would team black stans feel if i told them that i would only like rhaenicent if rhaenyra betrayed her family to join the greens? they would go crazy lmao.

honestly i'm considering an au writing just that. the tiktok team black stans would go absolutely insane.

on a similar note if the only reason you're shipping to (enemy) women together is bc you're trying to be different and relatable, that's not good queer representation. of course you could like these ships but the moment you try to go deeper into them you cannot deny the inherent political themes within them.

anyways i guess what i'm getting at is that rhaenicent stans should stop belittling alicent to someone who doesn't love her children. thx

(if you're not one of those stans, then this doesn't apply to you. team black stans comments will be deleted).

It's actually insane how popular Aemond has become in 4 eps. Most of his screentime put him at odds with Rhaenyra and her kids and still people love him.

Do you have any idea how iconic you have to be for Team Black to write fanfics about you and make tiktoks about those fanfics? No one on Team Green is doing that for Daemon.

Do you have any idea how iconic you have to be to make people who hate House Targaryen stan you?

Aemond is the it girl, he is a legend, he is the moment, he is a star, he is him

I’m not team black or green, and I’m also only watching this show for nettles - but I have to say that the only racist comments I see are coming from team black. They are so racist it’s insane.

1. They treat the velaryons like Rhaenyra & her (white) son’s cheer squad . They can’t fathom the velaryons being their own people with their own thoughts and opinions.

2. Their treatment of vaemond. They justify his murder for daring to speak up against their fav. They gaslight anyone who supports vaemond’s right to be angry that his house is being stolen by a white kid and claim that Luke “legally” isn’t a bastard and that we are misogynistic.

3. Their treatment of laena - they either claim that she was Rhaenyra’s lesbian (?) lover or that daemon never cared about her - they refuse to acknowledge that daemon was happily in love with her.

4. Their treatment of nettles.

I’m so done. I’ve just had a conversation with one of those insane stans, and they said that I’m “playing the victim” for pointing out their racism. I’m so sick and tired of hearing that I’m “playing the victim” or that I’m being “over dramatic” for wanting actual black representation and calling out performative activism.

Team Green has its moments(I don’t love how some of them treat Nettles), but Team Black is indeed objectively worse.

I have yet to see any other sub-fanbase go on rants about how there are too many Black people on the show so it’s fine to cut the only in-canon Black character(Nettles), that they are glad the n-word died(Laena), claim that a Black woman’s Afro-hair is dirty(the leaked photo on the beach), calling people monkeys(again Laena), comparing characters to animals(Laena and Nettles), the legally biracial fiasco, denying that there is racism in the books and that their fave is one of the perpetrators, saying that Daemon sleeping with Black women is a detrimental character trait…It’s a mess.

Honestly, most of the viscerally racist stuff that has been said had been geared toward Nettles or Laena(Vaemond’s a close third) because they are perceived as a threat.

Which shows you how f*cked up these people are. They are legitimately willing to resort to racism to attack fictional characters over a fictional ship.

And the kicker is, they don’t see anything wrong with their behavior because: I’m not racist. I have no problem with good Black people(aka the ones who kiss up to my fave), ignore me saying how a white woman (who I hate cause she's a Green 🥦, but she's still white) with less plot development is somehow more relevant than the girl who shows that you are more than the blood in your veins. That's not relevant. You wouldn't like her if she wasn't Black!

Let's not get into the fact that they only like Baela, Rhaena, Corlys, and Alyn because they haven't/don't do anything. The moment we see them have a personality and it’s not solely about worshipping Missy Anne they'll turn on them.

If the show ends Rhaena’s arc marrying a Hightower they'll call her a whore and a traitor. If Baela calls out Missy Anne for not being motherly towards her and her sister they'll call her ungrateful. When Corlys puts his blood first he’ll be treated just like Ser Vaemond. Alyn will be hated not for saving the psychotic white woman(who arrested his father and tried to arrest his brother) in her hour of need.

If what they said about Rhaena taking Nettles’ place actually happened, do you know how upset they'd actually be with Daemon even putting his actual child first before Miss Maegor? She'd become enemy #1. He is not allowed to love anyone more than her.

They also love to defend their deplorable behavior by saying the characters they are attacking are fictional so it doesn’t matter.

B*tch it’s no longer just fictional when you call someone(even if it’s a fictional character) the n-word.

When you are actively trying to take away what little representation we do have and hurling slurs and stereotypes used against Black people in real life for centuries to attack characters you don’t like, you’ve gone past fiction and gone straight into a Klan rally.

There is loads of evidence of their demented behavior. Anyone with a working brain knows they aren’t right in the head and what they are saying is wrong.

Hell, they themselves know what they are saying is f*cked up, which is why they try to gaslight you into believing they are the innocent victims and you've just lost your mind. When that doesn't work and you provide them with the receipts for their bullcrap it’s crickets cause they’ve gone crying in the corner 🦗

They keep crying and bemoaning about Miss Maegor being called a whore. That isn't exactly nice, but you can't flip things around and make yourself look like the injured party when you are a f*cking racist.

For Christ's sake, these people are just all-around hypocrites. Some of them have called Nettles a whore(the worst is yet to come with her) yet they spaz out when you say Miss Maegor and start yelling about misogyny.

They are the same ones who mocked Laena dying(and her son) yet they cry when you call a dragon baby a lizard.

You can't claim that it's all fiction and then start crying when your fave who is also fictional is “attacked.”

There is a good reason she's being “attacked” considering she's an awful character with next to zero redeeming qualities(which is probably why she's attracted the worst fanbase).

You can't claim misogyny and perpetrate it yourself. You can't claim to not be a racist and then overtalk Black women when they call you out on your behavior and then call them crazy for defending themselves. You can't force Black women to overlook your faves racism for the sisterhood and then spit in our faces when we don't. That's not how this works.

I could go on, but I'm going to stop here cause it's pointless. You just have to laugh and bow out cause talking to them is like talking to a brick wall.

With House of the Dragon second season about to air the conversation of fans not being able to separate the actors from the characters has come up once again. Especially with the show leaning more and more into the whole Team Black VS Team Green thing. First thing is involving Matt Smith. Matt Smith has been getting tons and tons of hate since season 1 from people are Team Green stans. They've talked about his appearance, created rumors about him being a groomer and they look for any opportunity to twist his words in interviews to try and make him look bad simply because they don't like Daemon Targaryen.

Harry Collett has also been receiving a ton of hate because he has been pro Team Black. People have also insulted his appearance, his acting and have even created rumors that slept with the director to get his role Jaehaerys, people have even wished the worst on his life. Emma D'Arcy is non binary and people have purposely disregarded to disrespect them. And of course the black actors who play Rhaena, Baela and Corlys have all been subjected to racism from stans and recently Bethany Antonia has publicly addressed a racist message she received.

The only thing I have to ask is what is wrong with you all. These people are not their characters and them participating in the who Team Black VS Team Green thing and choosing to side with the team that their characters are apart of doesn't mean that you get to disrespect them. It's insane going on Twitter and seeing how much hate some of these actors get because fans are incapable of separating the show from reality. You do not get to be racist, homophobic, transphobic and misogynistic because you have a personal problem with people who have never done anything to you. House of the Dragon is not real but the actors that play the characters in the show are and they do not deserve the hate that they're getting. A lot of yall need to put your phones down and go outside. This is not starting to get ridiculous, it's been ridiculous.

could the niji 6 theoretically function as a kpop group?

i found out last night that apparently the niji 6 is a group that while, yes they do commit war crimes and murder, they also are a performing group. the art book states that their moves are choreographed to at least some extent! now that begs the question;

could they rise to the top of the charts and become korea's eden's top group of the century?

let's find out! let's begin with each member and how they're presented: - the captain, red. bombastic and arrogant - the tank, blue. silent and a tank - the sass, violet. snarky and quick-witted - the go-getter, black. excited and a bit too prepared - the smarts, yellow. knows bullshit and keeps the team on track - the green one. has a gun we have a lot to work with, obviously! now before we start, im going to say that we're going to ignore their canonical piles of bodies and child soldier endorsements they have under their belt! anyways, the main things for a kpop group to thrive, regardless of vocal talent, are coordination, visuals, and personality. starting off with coordination, we clearly see that bodily there is a lot of coordination! they get into perfect poses for their team intro stances AND they move as a perfect unit. it's honestly admirable. they even make a satisfying idle position. it shows off their personalities well!

you can tell there is personality to each of them! from the imposing stature of blue, to the spotlight hungry red, to black ready to fire, it's clear this was practiced to exemplify their greatest personality traits! so for coordination, i WOULD give them 5 stars, however, clearly red's own desires override the entire group's objectives as whole, throwing off the whole balance that the niji 6 would have. so for red, 3 stars. he got them blown up for fucks sake talking about personality, unfortunately red really takes up all the space for it. we get snippets of it with the dialogue that they all (as in four of them) exchange with each other, with red being the most memorable. we do see a few bits within black, yellow, and violet though. black is clearly all too excited to fight against gay people, pink is teasing with the 'i was just asking myself, can i get the arm?' and yellow with the clear callout to his leader's ego. in fact, violet's personality seems to clash with red a lot, as when red is being cocky about taking care of the vr facility, violet is the one to say "thats fucking bullshit, you could barely handle rayman." the two of them were in fact about to get into an argument before yellow, clearly the voice of reason within the group, calls attention to dolph. so there is some entertainment value within the group dynamics, and there is thankfully a mediator of sorts. i would say they could possibly be a good group, but would have plenty of drama. if they can find a good balance between drama and friendship, they'd thrive. as they are now, i'd say 3.8 stars. lastly, visuals. i'll begin with the men, as they (of course) have the greatest visual variation. we get something for everyone here! to take from the ouran host club, blue is the silent intimidating broad body type, yellow is the cool and collected slightly skinnier type, and red has a big ass. no im so fr he has a big ass. why does his ass matter? let me tell you about monsta x. it's a group that is sadly disbanded but one of their most popular members, wonho, is known for a lot of things. his vocals, his charm, his big fucking muscles

like holy fucking shit??? genuinely we dont get kpop stars like this he's on the uncommon side. thats why he's renowned. it's insane. women and gay men alike adore him. also idk if hes really that renowned im a casual kpop fan but TRUST. that man has millions of followers on instagram and i guarantee not all of them were monsta x or kpop stans. ik im not a monsta x fan but i still follow him now if we take in the fact that the ENTIRE niji 6 is built, then we could reasonably come to the conclusion that visuals? banger. the women are also definitely muscular as well. like wlw are the strongest soldiers the kpop industry have. they'd buy the shit out of every bit of niji 6 merch. so i'd say a tentative 4 stars, because what if they face reveal and the general population finds them ugly??? the allure is a major factor, but it goes away when the mask is gone. now, i would say that yes, absolutely, the niji 6 would thrive at the top as a kpop group. however, the bigoted nature of red would have them cancelled by the first promotion. so unfortunately, since red can't shut the fuck up, the niji 6 would be eaten alive by the kpop stans. at least their fan chant goes hard

hi please talk about jaime more i am equal parts afraid and excited for his new show

Jaime stan since 2009 reporting for duty sir.

Jaime is the best Spider-Man story we've had in a very long time. I'm including Spider-Man in this. In 2006 it was pretty abnormal to have such a simple story: about a normal kid, who is a very good kid and just wants to do his best, accidentally getting in way over his head and deciding to make the best of a bad situation by helping people and trying to keep his head above water. Jaime's life dream is to become a dentist. His family is highly engaged in his superhero life. Jaime was wholesome without feeling wholesome, and a really exceptional guy while still feeling like an average teen.

Jaime actually did Into The Spider-Verse before ITSV did ITSV: it told a Spider-Man story about a kid struggling to live up to a legacy. About living up to a dead legend, trying to puzzle out his life and make him proud, and how to engage with his life and message. Except I think it did something even more interesting than what ITSV did with Miles.

Because the legacy was that of a loser.

Ted Kord's a joke. Out of universe, he was placed in joke comic after joke comic (Justice League International was exceptional and prided itself on being 100% loser). In universe, nobody took him seriously. How can you take a member of the JLI seriously? The superhero community knew Ted was competent, but they didn't really admire him and they didn't actually like him. He was another annoying supergenius without any superpowers. He never even got the scarab to work. What was Ted Kord's legacy, what legacy was Jaime trying to live up to?

Well, people loved Ted. That's all.

Ted had somebody who, if JLI had been written in 2023 instead of 1980, would have been his husband. He had his husband's family. He had the Justice League International, a misfit team of losers who were losers together. He was insanely smart and very kind and super weird. He had absolutely zero reason to be a hero whatsoever, but he was a bit of an adrenaline junkie and was too weird to live and too rare to die.

What kind of legacy is that? How do you live up to that? Jaime is the kind of superhero who would rather live up to the legacy of a kind man who is loved than a famous man who is revered. The people who loved Ted feature prominently in Jaime's own comic, and the JLI revival where they met Jaime was super emotional. And the Booster Gold comic where he met Jaime made me cry. Jaime's scarab is built to be an ultra death kill murder machine, and Jaime's job is to make it kind. Jaime wanted to leave a legacy of kindness too, and that was how he discovered what kind of Blue Beetle he wanted to be. He never once gave a shit about the rest of it. His life dream is to be a dentist.

Jaime's story has a lot of lasting appeal, because I think he's the kind of hero who fits in with the sensibilities of people today: just a swell lad. But I'm also a Ted Kord fan, and I always really loved the respect and reverence that Jaime always gave Ted: not as somebody who only knew him theoretically or knew the idea of him, but as somebody who was so loved, that he people who loved him showed up at Jaime's door to help him too.

Anyway Jaime's story is SO BASIC that the movie's good/bad is going to hinge entirely 100% of execution so it's impossible to tell right now, I'm holding out judgment. I'm guessing banal and forgettable. Hopefully charming, like Shazam. I am a massive fucking Shazam stan he is the funniest character on God's green earth.

there’s something about Alicent’s expression here. Aemond realizes finally the extent of his father’s favoritism to Rhaenyra and how he will never do anything to defend him. We already know that though.

But Alicent? She is past the shock of realizing her son’s eye has been cut out and the King will do nothing about it. He is harsh on Aemond if anyone. She is steeling herself, convincing herself of what she must do.

Viserys will never defend her or her children. This must have been a slow realization over the years, perhaps starting with Rhaenyra losing her maiden hood and Viserys sending moon tea to rid her of any consequences.

Alicent does not have that protection and it turns out neither do her children. She realizes it here. She is the only one who will ever defend her children.

It explains everything: the green kid’s apathy about their father, the fact that Alicent is the only one who raised them. It’s insane for team black stans to say that Alicent doesn’t like or care for her children when her entire existence has been protecting them where viserys never did.

literally hardcore team black stans have the worst viewing comprehension of any group i've ever come across in fandom. everytime i see a team black take i am reminded of that line from clueless "are you bitches blind or something?". and also the mental gymnastics these people engage in to justify a character's action is fucking insane. i am very vehemently team green but there are many tb characters i like. seems like tb stans just hate all green characters across the board for the sole reason that the greens don't support feminist girlboss queen (lmao) rhae rhae.

agreed. they are impossible to talk too and it's really unfortunate because i love talking to people with different views and opinions then my own.

it looks like they just want to blindly hate on all TG characters , TG supporters, and anyone who disagrees with them or dares! to criticize their girlboss qween and her ****malewife.

(i got attacked for calling rhaenyra's sons bastards, like are you for real?!!?)

If you had the chance to change something about the dance of the dragons (TV show or book), what would it be? For example, how a character dies, which team a house is on,or an entire character personally. How would you change it to make the story better, in your opinion? 💙💚🖤♥️

JUST ONE THING. ANON U R A SADIST.

aksjdjd no okay thank you great ask. sorry if it’s a lil all over the place, i think obsessively about how i would adapt f&b and asoiaf if i was a millionaire lmao.

for the show it’s so easy (besides just giving it like ten more episodes to cook before getting to the Dance, I mean) - lean into the dueling protagonists of alicent & rhaenyra by giving them dueling deuteragonists in aegon ii and jacaerys. i realize this would completely reframe the whole show lmao, but we can even compromise and say once they do that ten year skip, the narrative should focus in on building up the two sides through the dueling protagonists alicent & rhaenyra, and dueling deuteragonists aegon & jace. it makes way more sense to have the character they most interact with be their sons & “heirs” and contrast those relationships & all the politics that exist in how they act as mothers towards their sons. rather than focus in on daemon as the second main character for rhaenyra and…this weird fucking musical chairs male protagonist with the greens they’re doing. it doesn’t fix everything but i think shifting the focus from rhaenyra’s marriages to her as a mother and queen regnant, and from alicent’s conga line of abuses to again, an active role as a mother and queen consort/queen mother, as well as fleshing out the two men who are objectively thee most important men in their lives (argue with the wall jace & aegon haters!!!!). explaining why jace & aegon developed into the sort of men they are through how they exist in the most important relationship in their lives, literally until the day they both die. (and if you’re curious, daemon’s counterpart is aemond, they get to be number three for both their sides. viserys isn’t on a “team” but he does have a counterpart and it’s QOREN).

i think the way they did it in the show really does a disservice to the potential of aegon and especially jacaerys as characters, as well as downplaying the importance of a lot of critical relationships like rhaewin, laenyra, criston’s entire demented relationship with both women, rhaenys’ relationship with laena & rhaenyra, alicent’s whole ass relationship with her kids, AND rhaenyra’s whole ass relationship with her kids. imo they go for this kind of half in half out “we want to appeal to the insane targ stans who genuinely believe incest will save westeros” and “we want to write a story about the complexities of motherhood & sexuality in a patriarchal society” and wound up in a weird place where daemon & alicent are both bisexual but only in deleted scenes and completely drop rhaenyra’s gender fuckery the moment she’s played by an actually non-binary actor and also completely bury the other non-binary actor (rhaena’s actor, phoebe campbell) by giving their character like two fucking lines and no depth.

also better wigs jesus FUCKING christ hbo i know you have the budget!!

for the books….a lot of the problem with the dance is that f&b is so antithetical to how george writes. it’s effectively a very long and detailed outline of a plot and george doesn’t write exclusively by outline. as he says himself, he gardens - he writes and he sees where the writing takes him. if he had actually sat down and written out the dance as a series of short stories the way he does with dunk & egg, i think the plot would not only be massively different it would also be leaps and bounds better. what i want to change is to make george actually WRITE the dance and not just outline and call it a day!!!!

BUT. Okay if I can change ONE thing. fuck that’s hard.

I’d make Larys’ motivation more clear, and when i say more clear i mean my theory is that Larys just straight up hated the Targaryens and Velaryons bc he believed one of them killed Harwin, and decided to get revenge by completely fucking over the whole family tree. i get why people like his show version (I like parts of him a lot too and the actor has some galaxy brained takes!!!) but i think while Larys is well done, his character adaption & the way he’s completely unknowable in the series itself is just a rehash of Tyrion. We already have a disabled younger brother who hates his older brother for being condescending in his love & conditional acceptance, and hates his father for being a patriarchal monster, and is a sexually abusive menace to teenage girls, and I don’t think they are saying anything new or groundbreaking with Larys in the show or book. He is just there to be the evil crippled henchman, and then die.

No, what I want is a true chaos agent to rival Littlefucker, a man who becomes obsessively and uncomfortably devoted to Harwin, the only person in his entire life who ever treated him with any love or respect or care, who launches this bloody, demented quest to completely wipe out every Valyrian left alive for the misuse and murder of his brother. Willing to help kill his own nephews. Willing to burn the kingdom to the ground. Willing to destroy his own house if it means Harwin will be avenged, if it means the dragons die. All leading to Larys getting his Pyrrhic victory and choosing to die because he feels he has nothing left.

Why the extreme change? I think it fits better with a lot of the themes in F&B and the dance in particular - not just family, and “the things we do for love” but the legacy of Valyria, of the Targaryens and the dragons, the clash and growing pains of this group of interlinked cultures learning to tolerate each other’s existence on the same continent, and of course, what being told every day of your life that you’re a monster does to how you view yourself. You can keep all the rest of his weird behavior from the show and the books even - the sexual abuse of Alicent being Larys unable to stop himself from turning into the same sort of awful man his father was; of him switching sides without a care or without any seeming sense in the books, always ready to be the devil on a shoulder to Viserys, Aegon, Alicent, and Corlys - but a little bit here and there to let us know that Larys genuinely loved Harwin until the bitter end. We already have several stories about a brother who grows to resent another and lets the resentment fester until he’s willing to cross a line you can’t come back from and murder his brother for a perceived sleight. I think Larys & the dance as a whole benefit from him being a brother who romanticizes and saintifies Harwin (but not lyonel!) so much that he weaponizes his years of resentment & turns it against the entire world and damn the consequences. I think he fits in much more with Rhaenyra, Alicent, Corlys, Viserys, Daemon, and Rhaenys that way and steps away from being Tyrion but slightly to the left and into his own type of character instead.