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No this fandom is actually insane
Do people think it’s ok to write “he was teaching her how to bathe”?????? I’m honestly scared to go read the post that they were talking about. The lengths that these people will go to just to prove that dettles never happened
Read at your own risk.
The person who wrote that is actually Black(or so they claim), but is willing to throw Black characters and Black fans under the bus and promote negative stereotypes about us for their mostly (racist) followers in defense of a racist characters desirability.
Sir/ma’am, if you are reading this, get some self respect. I’m actually embarrassed for you cause this shit is actually pathetic. You’re better than this.
Case in point they wrote this crap a while back with 100% sincerity:
(I should also note that I actually had a run in with them about a year and some change ago and they threatened to block me after I asked them if Corlys bathing with Rhaenyra would be normal father daughter figure bonding time so I blocked them first😊).
Like you don’t have to like Dettles, but when you are pushing harmful ideology and stereotypes (Black people are so stupid/dirty that we need the white mans help to civilize us) as a way to discredit them and make those who ship it look like angry Black women jealous of the poor helpless white woman and her stans, you’ve gone too far.
Let’s keep in mind that this poor helpless white woman was actively trying to kill a Black girl for a crime she claims she didn’t commit and that despite claiming that Nettles definitely didn’t sleep with Daemon her stans spazz out everytime you mention her name and actively want her cut from the show.
Or how about the fact that these same stans actively stalk and harass Dettles shippers whose only crime has been pointing out y’all’s bullshit.
Let’s keep in mind all of this shall we:
So who is actually jealous of who here? Who in this scenario wants racial revenge?* Who is the problem in this hellhole of a fandom?
Is it the people merely pointing out Nettles importance to the Dance and Daemon’s arc or the people who hurl racial insults and stereotypes? The people who want her erased from the narrative in its entirety cause she disrupts the status quo?
(The fact that someone would even fix their mouth to say that when Black people have been beaten, raped, enslaved, terrorized, tortured, disenfranchised, abused, subjected, and not even given common decency and respect for centuries by these people. If we wanted racial revenge it damn sure wouldn’t be off the back of a fucking fictional character).
The fact that they can’t see Nettles value and only see her as some irrelevant Black girl and reduce people liking her down to a gotcha/“woke” moment is fandom misogynoir in action.
They forget that she comes from nothing, claims a dragon, has a prince willing to give his life for her(six men or sixty remember that since y’all claim to be capable of reading🙃), survives the Dance and becomes a firewitch worshipped by a group of people, because they don’t want to acknowledge her importance.
It makes them uncomfortable to do so because she doesn’t look like them, but people like I’m not like those other Negros cover up for them so that when they are called out for it they can go see this n-I mean this Black person agrees with me.
Imagine being this butt hurt about a fictional character that you can’t even leave your racism or tap dancing at the door for five seconds.
Nettles doesn’t fit the mold, but that’s the point of her story.
They can recognize maester propaganda and scream about feminism when it comes to their white faves, but when it comes to the Black girl who is actively being stereotyped and maligned for her gender, race, and social standing in the source material they believe it no questions asked?
Again, what does it say about you that you are so willing to believe that a Black girl who was clever enough to claim a wild dragon doesn’t know how to bathe herself? What does it say about you that you think Daemon would never touch her with a ten foot pole just because she’s Black?
What does it say about you don’t want her on the show because of her race? What does it say about you that a fictional character who just so happens to be Black has you worked up into a tizzy.
Y’all claim to be for women(real or fictional), but in reality you only care about the women who look like you and shit on women you see as beneath you. Women who you think are a threat to the status quo. You’re no better than the men who oppress you.
#bnask#bnasks#this is longer than I wanted but black people and black characters aren’t the problem here#nettles#anti daemyra stans#anti rhaenyra stans#full of bullshit#hotd fandom misogynoir#hotd fandom bs
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Due to my discontent and anger with how Baela and Rhaena are treated in most fanfics, I'm definitely having them play a more prominent role in Aemma's story.
#house of the dragon#hotd#hotd critical#baela targaryen#rhaena targaryen#rhaena of pentos#aemma velaryon#oc: aemma velaryon#house velaryon#I'm tired of this#hotd fandom racism#hotd fandom misogynoir
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Luke/Aemond, Jace/Helaena and Jace/Sara are the direct result of Baela and Rhaena being black. It’s not outright racism and I think a lot of fans genuinely don’t realise their own bias, but the fact of the matter is they’d rather ship Luke with his killer and Jace with a woman he barely interacts with or a character that might not even exist simply because they’re not black.
It’s the same way one even thought about Aegon III/Jaehaera until the show because it’s clear Daenaera’s going to be black. Suddenly it’s all “wouldn’t it be better if both sides continued?” or “this is more poetic”. No one was saying this when the Velaryons were white.
I’m even wary of Jace/Cregan because of how fans love to fetishise mlm, especially when a woman of colour is the main love interest.
This kind of racism needs to be called out more, regardless of whether you’re Team Black or Team Green.
I agree completely, anon! It bothers me a lot how Baela and Rhaena are sidelined and their love interests are shipped with everyone but them. It is racism and I don't think people realise this, which is really fucked up.
#house of the dragon#hotd#hotd baela#baela targaryen#rhaena targaryen#jacaerys velaryon#lucerys velaryon#jacela#jace x baela#racism#fandom racism#misogynoir#I'll be standing by my queen Baela and by Jacela
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The desire to erase Daenaera from the story is even more sinister when you realise she’s Black in show lore and that plays into white fandoms need to erase or belittle Black girls in their own story. We see it with Luke and Rhaena and the one-eyed freak, with Jace and Sara Snow and Cregan and most famously with Laena. It’s exhausting. #they want to erase another Black girl and I’m tired.
lagosbratzdoll talked about this briefly in these reblogs, so i'm directing people there.
I also wrote recently about HotD, the Velaryons, and paternity HERE.
This post concerns the greens stans' desire for Jaehaera to live and birth Aegon III's kids so that the Green line can stay relevant. Unfortunately, they also try to use Jaehaera's innocence to overpower the point of her death, which was that the greens are ultimately at fault for her death in Rhaenyra's usurpation bc they effectively made it so that no Targ woman/girl, including Jaehaera, would become a Queen regnant. And they all died, essentially leaving her vulnerable to Unwin Peake, a man who himself was one of their supporters in the war!
vboyrules makes a point, too, how Jaehaera wasn't ever going to be well enough or stable to be a mother or anything.
Daenaera was one of those responsible for both Aegon being much happier and mentally better AS WELL AS his political stability and disconnection from the grasping Unwin Peake.
That green stans can also delude themselves into thinking that Aegon would ever have a great relationship w/Jaehaera after the war for the sake of having and raising heirs/children who probably would have been more messed up than one of the ones he had w/Daenaera is crazy. They really do not want to see Daenaera be black or PoC in anyway, as that would make the Velaryons and black Velaryons fulfill more than their precious male greens.
#asoiaf asks to me#hotd racism#hotd critical#hotd comment#house of the dragon#laena velaryon#daenaera velaryon#baela targaryen#rhaena targaryen#rhaena targaryen (daemon's daughter)#fandom critical#fandom racism#fandom misogyny#misogynoir#a song of ice and fire#asoiaf
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Many of you in this fandom overstep boundaries. When I talk about anti-blackness and misogynoir in the fandom in general and HoTD specifically, it is not your place as a white/non-Black person to tell me that “akshually, I don’t think it was anti-blackness. I think the writers were just lazy.”
That is an egregious overstep, and it annoys me very much. Black people in fandom can have conversations about the misogynoir and we can even disagree, but where the fuck do you, as a white/non-Black person, get off? You not only insert yourselves, but you question the experiences of Black people in fandom as if you have any authority or personal understanding.
I cannot give credence to the opinions of individuals who cannot even recognise the presence of anti-blackness in their shipping communities. There is nothing you can say that I am interested in hearing. Our conversations are not for you to intrude on, they are intra-communal and I am getting sick and tired of you lot inserting yourselves where you don’t belong.
#you guys are irritating me icl#doing my best to refrain from calling you everything but a child of god#but you guys make it so goddamned hard#it's that same spirit of oversabi that leads you idiots to calling black fans of this stupid family nazis#just stay in your lanes#it cannot be that hard to stop talking about shit you have absolutely no idea about#I've seen idiots on here debating people's lived experiences#“well I haven't seen anyone call you slurs so how can I be sure that you've actually been called slurs”#first of all#who are you? and where the fuck of you get off?#who died and made you arbiter of fandom racism?#you are white!!!!!#like dpmo#hate you all very much btw 🫶🏾#hotd#house of the dragon#asoiaf
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I really gotta divest from HOTD altogether like not just the show’s misogynoir but the fandom’s as well. It’s like I can’t even be mad about the way they push rhaena, baela and laena to the side because it’s exactly what the writers have done. It’s just so fucking disheartening to watch how the fandom continues to discard them in little ways. To the point where aegon, a canon rapist, has more fan engagement then all three of the black women of the show combined. It’s not even just the greens like the blacks will invent OCs that are daughters of daemon to create romantic storylines and ships that are basically just white versions of baela and rhaena and it just sucks. I’m so fucking tired of seeing black women treated as an afterthought and to see it manifest itself in a fandom space I thought I would find comfort in is so shit like I love ASOIAF so much and it’s universe just for this new show to amplify everything I hate about black women being used as tokenism who are less important to their white peers or worse, their props. It’s tainted the world for me and I can’t enjoy the show without being aware of it and disheartened by it like fuck! Not even fantasy worlds full of dragons and blood magic are a safe form of escapism.
#rant post#I’m just so fucking angry#baela targaryen#rhaena targaryen#laena targaryen#hotd#house of the dragon#misogynoir
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I’m not team black or green, and I’m also only watching this show for nettles - but I have to say that the only racist comments I see are coming from team black. They are so racist it’s insane.
1. They treat the velaryons like Rhaenyra & her (white) son’s cheer squad . They can’t fathom the velaryons being their own people with their own thoughts and opinions.
2. Their treatment of vaemond. They justify his murder for daring to speak up against their fav. They gaslight anyone who supports vaemond’s right to be angry that his house is being stolen by a white kid and claim that Luke “legally” isn’t a bastard and that we are misogynistic.
3. Their treatment of laena - they either claim that she was Rhaenyra’s lesbian (?) lover or that daemon never cared about her - they refuse to acknowledge that daemon was happily in love with her.
4. Their treatment of nettles.
I’m so done. I’ve just had a conversation with one of those insane stans, and they said that I’m “playing the victim” for pointing out their racism. I’m so sick and tired of hearing that I’m “playing the victim” or that I’m being “over dramatic” for wanting actual black representation and calling out performative activism.
Team Green has its moments(I don’t love how some of them treat Nettles), but Team Black is indeed objectively worse.
I have yet to see any other sub-fanbase go on rants about how there are too many Black people on the show so it’s fine to cut the only in-canon Black character(Nettles), that they are glad the n-word died(Laena), claim that a Black woman’s Afro-hair is dirty(the leaked photo on the beach), calling people monkeys(again Laena), comparing characters to animals(Laena and Nettles), the legally biracial fiasco, denying that there is racism in the books and that their fave is one of the perpetrators, saying that Daemon sleeping with Black women is a detrimental character trait…It’s a mess.
Honestly, most of the viscerally racist stuff that has been said had been geared toward Nettles or Laena(Vaemond’s a close third) because they are perceived as a threat.
Which shows you how f*cked up these people are. They are legitimately willing to resort to racism to attack fictional characters over a fictional ship.
And the kicker is, they don’t see anything wrong with their behavior because: I’m not racist. I have no problem with good Black people(aka the ones who kiss up to my fave), ignore me saying how a white woman (who I hate cause she's a Green 🥦, but she's still white) with less plot development is somehow more relevant than the girl who shows that you are more than the blood in your veins. That's not relevant. You wouldn't like her if she wasn't Black!
Let's not get into the fact that they only like Baela, Rhaena, Corlys, and Alyn because they haven't/don't do anything. The moment we see them have a personality and it’s not solely about worshipping Missy Anne they'll turn on them.
If the show ends Rhaena’s arc marrying a Hightower they'll call her a whore and a traitor. If Baela calls out Missy Anne for not being motherly towards her and her sister they'll call her ungrateful. When Corlys puts his blood first he’ll be treated just like Ser Vaemond. Alyn will be hated not for saving the psychotic white woman(who arrested his father and tried to arrest his brother) in her hour of need.
If what they said about Rhaena taking Nettles’ place actually happened, do you know how upset they'd actually be with Daemon even putting his actual child first before Miss Maegor? She'd become enemy #1. He is not allowed to love anyone more than her.
They also love to defend their deplorable behavior by saying the characters they are attacking are fictional so it doesn’t matter.
B*tch it’s no longer just fictional when you call someone(even if it’s a fictional character) the n-word.
When you are actively trying to take away what little representation we do have and hurling slurs and stereotypes used against Black people in real life for centuries to attack characters you don’t like, you’ve gone past fiction and gone straight into a Klan rally.
There is loads of evidence of their demented behavior. Anyone with a working brain knows they aren’t right in the head and what they are saying is wrong.
Hell, they themselves know what they are saying is f*cked up, which is why they try to gaslight you into believing they are the innocent victims and you've just lost your mind. When that doesn't work and you provide them with the receipts for their bullcrap it’s crickets cause they’ve gone crying in the corner 🦗
They keep crying and bemoaning about Miss Maegor being called a whore. That isn't exactly nice, but you can't flip things around and make yourself look like the injured party when you are a f*cking racist.
For Christ's sake, these people are just all-around hypocrites. Some of them have called Nettles a whore(the worst is yet to come with her) yet they spaz out when you say Miss Maegor and start yelling about misogyny.
They are the same ones who mocked Laena dying(and her son) yet they cry when you call a dragon baby a lizard.
You can't claim that it's all fiction and then start crying when your fave who is also fictional is “attacked.”
There is a good reason she's being “attacked” considering she's an awful character with next to zero redeeming qualities(which is probably why she's attracted the worst fanbase).
You can't claim misogyny and perpetrate it yourself. You can't claim to not be a racist and then overtalk Black women when they call you out on your behavior and then call them crazy for defending themselves. You can't force Black women to overlook your faves racism for the sisterhood and then spit in our faces when we don't. That's not how this works.
I could go on, but I'm going to stop here cause it's pointless. You just have to laugh and bow out cause talking to them is like talking to a brick wall.
#bnask#bnasks#anti hotd fandom#anti team black#nettles#laena velaryon#they deserve better than this fandom#you guys are the worst#hotd fandom misogynoir
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https://www.tumblr.com/drakaripykiros130ac/732901209272467456/i-am-just-loving-the-so-called-concern-tg-stans
This is how I find out an anti-nettles tag exists of Tumblr people are so shallow minded and miss the point George's original story people really think just because these dumbass show runner decided the race-bend an entire group of characters for cheap brownie points of representation that it means Nettles no longer matters like no, it may no longer be about race just because the writers are trying to force feminism onto Rhaenyra's character but it's still about class. A low born orphan at just the age of 17 was capable of doing what dozens of well trained knights failed to do. She survived one of the biggest civil wars in Westeros history, she had one of the last surviving dragons of the dance (who cares who's the biggest, oldest, most shiny etc etc it was Nettles and her dragon that outlived them all in the end) AND she was capable if creating an entire culture around herself (the tribes could've easily over powdered her but instead chose to worship and respect her) mind you all she had was a dragon, she had no titles just her name. Also, she's a few of the very few characters in the books that show care and remorse, she mourned Jace someone she barely knew and cried for Driftmark despite having lived a life previously where she was mistreated and starving on the streets. I swear these Dumbnyra stans deserve their names (Dumbnyra), and just because some of us are pro-Nettles, it doesn't automatically make use of team Green, Team Green can kick rocks as well because they are such hypocrites, whining and complaining about how their fav characters were stripped of importance and reduced to a singular thing yet they turn around and strip Nettles's character as a gotcha moment towards to Dumbnyra stans, as if her relationship with Daemon is the only thing important to her character. These stans also need to realize the Nettles is one of George's favorite characters whose stories he'd like to continue.
👆🏽That’s for the fact that this racist(who I should mention I’m blocked by for no reason🤣) actually knows how to tag things properly. I’ll give her that, but who exactly died and made her an authority on Black representation?
Dumbnyra stans this is exactly why people keep calling you people racists:
Do tell me how white a** Alys Rivers(no disrespect, but come on) had more purpose than a girl who shows that Targaryen supremacy is a lie? The girl that shows you don’t need Valyrian blood to claim a dragon.
The girl that George himself said he wanted to write a novella on(never heard him say that about Alys, Addam, Alyn, any of the other dragonseeds, Rhaena, and Baela)🤷🏽♀️
They are so blinded by the fact that she “ruins” Dumbnyra(which isn’t what they claim it is which is why they are scared sh*tless of her being on a show they claim doesn’t matter) that they make up lies about Nettles being the most irrelevant character in Fire & Blood.
This can never be irrelevant/unimportant/unnecessary/whatever else you want to say to demean her:
That happened long after the Dance boo boo(when Missy Anne’s a** was long dead 😊).
And if the one who wrote that garbage happens to be reading this(because I know you people are stalking me), f*ck you. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. You've crossed the line.
You’re a bigot. You have no right to speak on Black representation let alone say we are good on representation that doesn’t even affect you and that you have no understanding of.
And you definitely don’t care about representation because if you did you wouldn’t want Rhaena who has her own arc to replace Nettles who according to you wasn’t Daemon’s lover. If she’s just his daughter or his mentee, well then you have nothing to be worried about. Her presence on the show shouldn’t disrupt your putrid little white supremacist ship or make Missy Anne look bad since what happened at Maidenpool was all a big misunderstanding and Mysaria’s fault😊 You shouldn’t give a second thought to her.
Yes, Black people care about this issue(and even if some of us are a part of Team Green because that’s the majority I see from Team Green actually caring about her, then so what🙃).
Do you see how we are portrayed by the media? Do you see what happens to Black characters in TV shows and movies? To Black women characters? Do you see how they are treated by production and the fandom?
What you people are doing isn’t new. Just look at The Bear, Sleepy Hollow, Vampire Diaries, Star Trek, Star Wars, GOT(see how Missandei was done), and Marvel fandoms(there are more than that I’m just too tired to get into it).
The moment there is even a hint of a possibility that a Black woman might be in a relationship with the fandom hottie, hell the moment a Black woman doesn’t have a stereotypical role, all hell breaks loose and you people look for every excuse and spout out the same tired crap on why so and so is irrelevant, is a terrible character, doesn’t need a man, needs to be cut, should be killed off, should be replaced, etc.
So just because you don’t care doesn’t mean we should accept scraps, or our “irrelevant” characters being cut, or swapped out with race-bent characters. Black people aren’t all the same sweetie and we deserve more than what you feel we do.
If that’s too much for your diminutive brain to handle why don’t we just combine Ulf and Hugh? It’s not too late to cut out one of the two’s roles in post-production. After all, they serve the same role and they are both white.
You know what? How about we combine Black Aly and Jeyne Arryn while we are at it😀
Should we view Helaena and Rhaenyra as the same? I have a hard time telling them apart since they are both white and blonde. They should wear name tags that way we don’t get them confused 🙃
Let me stop there.
Sorry for ranting anon, but I’m so tired of the disrespect. Like how does one character who’s supposedly so unimportant cause so much uproar?
I go in on Dumbnyra stans a lot(and that person shows exactly why), but you are right that all sides of this fandom treat Nettles like she’s trash. If it’s not saying she’s a plot device sent to ruin Dumbnyra from Team Black and that anyone Black can replace her it’s how Team Green is so worried about her being abused and how maybe it’s for the best she gets cut.
Their behavior is utterly disgusting. It's anti-Black, but no one takes anti-Blackness and especially not misogynoir seriously.
Nettles may be a secondary character, but she’s the most important secondary character during the Dance. She starts out literally homeless. She claims Sheepstealer by determination, not by blood. She’s the only one to claim a wild dragon. The only non-Valyrian dragonrider that we know of.
She gets the Rogue Prince to fall in love with her to the point where he’s willing to die for her and disobeys his wife’s orders to save her. She survives the Dance with a dragon intake. Becomes a fire witch and is worshipped by a mountain clan in the Mountains of the Moon(she’s still worshipped by them during the main series). Her legacy is cemented.
I love her relationship with Daemon, but she’s so much more than just Daemon’s love. She’s a survivor. She’s the final girl. She would be seen as special as she is if she was white.
A character like her will never not be needed especially in a world where the representation of Black women in media, particularly fantasy stories, is still pretty bleak.
#bnasks#nettles#bnask#anti daemyra stans#pro nettles#just continue to use the anti tag#f*ck 90% of you in this fandom#netty#nettles asoiaf#nettles f&b#hotd fandom misogynoir#yep this is why y’all are called dumbnyra stans
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love your blog <3
there's no reason for nettles to be cut. the only reason she's not in s2 is because they want to milk "daemyra" as much as possible and don't care about sacrificing the only canonically black character to make the main white couple look good.
it's bullshit. they do shit like this and then claim to be "progressive" ? including black character only to turn them into side kicks for the main white characters and mistreat them is not progressive. why are baela and rhaena sidelined for the strongs? in f&b they're more important. why is laena turned into the "unloved wife"? second to rhaenyra? why is vaemond framed as the villain for being angry that his home is being robbed by a white boy?
and now we have a shot of all of the dragonseeds - except nettles, the only important dragonseed. and when you try to complain the stans hit you with the "but there are other black characters" card. they say that "race doesn't exist in westeros" (LMAO) to excuse and justify luke being the heir and pretend like there's nothing problematic with a white person stealing a black family's home. they also use the "no race" card to justify nettles being erased or downplay her importance. the gaslighting and racist undertones are actually crazy.
thank you for calling these people out.
Thank you. I do try and try my best not to come off like a crazy person talking at a wall, but this fandom and this show are nuts and severely anti-Black.
I won’t say it’s worse than other fandoms, but admitting there is a problem is like pulling teeth.
You have people blatantly lie and pretend like their headcanons are actual canon which is extremely disturbing when it comes to the Black(ish) characters because those headcanons are made to take away their characterization.
There is only so much one can ignore without disregarding their self pride.
As far as the showrunners go I will say I don’t think they are trying to prop up that ghost ship because they wouldn’t have added choke-gate if they had any intention of turning Dumbnyra(I’m not respecting a ship populated by people who think it's fine to call Black characters the n-word) into an epic romance, but they are trying to hold off on putting Nettles on the show because she makes said self-insert look bad and they can’t have that.
Yet they know cutting her looks suspect considering their past actions.
They think diversity = having Black(ish) people there never mind lighting them on fire, sidling them, turning them into an undisputed villain, turning them into stereotypes, etc., and unfortunately they’ve emboldened an extremely racist and toxic fanbase with their (in)action(s).
Laena was deliberately made into the disposable Black girlfriend, but no one cared about that. No one cared about how that looked or how Black fans would feel with that being our representation. How it's harmful and damaging to see that play out time and time again. They cheered it on and called her slurs while doing so.
Now I’ve seen people claim to be concerned about Nettles and her being made into a mistress and yes there are problems with showing a Black woman as a mistress, but there are just as many if not more problems with showing a Black(ish) woman as someone’s second choice or showing us as undesirable. Not a peep was said about the latter.
The same people who are so concerned(I see y’all in her tag) are the same people who a couple of months ago were calling for Nettles to be cut and replaced with Baela and Rhaena or even Addam because they are all Black(ish) now. Never mind that Nettles’ story is vastly different from theirs.
That Nettles isn’t supposed to be indisputably Valyrian like the others(at least in the books her heritage is the least clear out of everyone present and in the show she still isn’t being claimed by anyone).
Never mind that she isn’t supposed to be Daemon's daughter(the dates don’t line up and I dare anyone to tell me they bathed naked with their father at 17; I dare anyone to say that someone who claimed a wild dragon with the highest body count during the sowing doesn’t know how to bathe herself).
Or that she isn’t just someone’s mistress(you don’t risk your life for a woman who is just your mistress).
That she isn’t an unloved unwanted woman despite who she is(Daemon chooses her. We can talk about how that isn’t “progressive” enough for some people although I’d argue that it’s progressive for a character like Nettles, but that’s what’s written in black and white).
That she’s saved and survives the Dance. She’s the only dragonseed that survives maybe even the last dragonrider for two hundred years. She certainly gains more than what she had(she becomes the spiritual leader of a tribe for God's sake). 
Is Nettles’ story perfect, no, but people are holding her, her arc, and her potential characterization in the show to an unhealthy standard that they would never hold a character like Rhaenyra, Daenerys, or an even Helaena to and basing whether they like her or not based on that standard.
They aren’t allowing her to be a nuanced character let alone someone with her wants and motivations who experiences love and loss alike.
Nettles' arc is as complex as every other character in this story, but people don’t want that. They don’t even want her there.
Never mind that she’s important to the narrative and there is a reason for her complexity, it’s her skin color they see. Her skin color is the only thing they see and therefore they fail to see her as someone deserving of her dynamic arc.
Instead they want the downtrodden girl. The abused girl. The poor orphan girl who is just grateful to have found a family. The girl who can easily be placed into a box and doesn’t need any analysis whatsoever.
A girl. She doesn’t need love because she’s a girl. She doesn’t need to have her own will and desires because she’s a girl. She’s a child. She’s not a nuisance. A box of gunpowder waiting to go off and change the narrative. She’s not a threat.
I’ve talked about this before(too many times), but that’s who they want.
They can’t have a Mammy that looks too obvious given the story, or Jezebel(I imagine that’s what they’ll say she is once she appears although they’ll look crazed trying to pigeon hole her into the slut category), and they know she most likely won’t be cut, so they settle for the non-threatening, sexless, naive(selectively intellectually challenged) child.
The show calls itself diverse and the fans claim themselves to be feminists, but that’s a joke and a slap in the face to Black fans who aren't self-haters (who the fandom has harassed anytime we don’t blindly agree with and call them out on their bullshit).
Black fans don’t want characters who look like us wrapped in bubble wrap with a pretty little bow on top. We want characters (in every sense of the word), but neither the showrunners nor the fans seem to get this(tale as old as time or at least it’s centuries old).
I started ranting I’m sorry anon, but Nettles tag has been a mess so I used this as an opportunity to voice my peace. It’s extremely disturbing that you have a bunch of non-Black people trying to police Black representation particularly representation for Black women, but at the end of the day what they have to say doesn’t matter.
#bnasks#bnask#nettles#anti hotd#anti hotd fandom#fuck the show and the fandom#bncommentary#laena velaryon#hotd fandom misogynoir
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Are we going to ignore the fact they took away what made Baela the Brave, Baela the Brave.
Where's her pet monkey? Where's her short hair? Were's her beating the shit out of squires? She literally had to be bound at some point so she wouldn't jump Aegon's ass on the way to King's Landing. (It was foul of them, before you confuse me as someone who thinks that tying a 16yo up means she's somehow a "girlboss doomed by the narrative") Where's this energy in the series?
Rhaena having little to no lines, just standing there smiling and toasting Weak Boy #2 so people praise her for how loyal she is, never getting another scene speaking of herself and her feelings except for when she's little and sullen about deadbeat Daemon ignoring her because she has no dragon.
The only scene where Baela speaks of what she ACTUALLY wants to do during the war which is fight for Missy Anne (she literally sold your inheritance and the throne you've been instructwarded for years for but pop off queen) IS CUT OFF.
I would've loved if we had like, one scene of Rhaena leaning forward to whisper in Luke's ear asking him for a dance because my girl loves dancing in ep.8, but noooo they had to make it wholly about the fight between the boys because WHHHOOOOOO CARES about the last dragonrider.
Just a note, Rhaena is not the last dragonrider. She’s the last Targaryen dragonrider before Daenerys, but the books have not stated who exactly is the last dragonrider before her is.
Fans just say that to give the middle finger to Nettles(once again proving how they only like the girls when it’s time to dunk on others), but it’s actually between her and Nettles on who is the last dragonrider for 200 years.
Other than that I agree with most of your rant, though it does seem like they are giving Baela her book spirit in S2 and Rhaena will be getting her book arc.
Let me just say that they should be as popular as their Team Green counterparts even being underdeveloped(Helaena is barely given anything as well and yet her team props her up), but they’re not because they are Blackish.
The whole reason why they are treated poorly and used as props is because they are Blackish now and everyone from the showrunners down to the demented fans that populate this cesspool of a fandom has a misogynoir problem.
Team Black in particular has an anti-Blackness problem, but pointing this out gets you gaslit to death and labeled a bully(ain’t that ironic) so I’ll leave it there.
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Nettles is not in the dragonseeds storyline for season 2 at all. I don’t know if she will be in season 3 but the fact she won’t be involved at all in her main storyline from the book is worrying. What if they genuinely do cut her?
Her lack of involvement along with all the other plots I’ve heard(Weak Boy #1 pining after Helaena, then showing Daemon sleeping with everyone who doesn’t matter to avoid him sleeping with others, what they did with Laena back in s1), this show appears to have a problem with Black-ish women and I refuse to give them actual views until they put Nettles on.
(And even then HBO won’t be getting another dime from me after all the crap they’ve pulled).
Still I don’t think she’s cut because they have her dragon there/Silver Denys and Maidenpool is being set up.
However, it’s obvious they are stalling for time and view her as nothing more than a plot device when she’s more integral than most of the new secondary characters they are adding combined.
She’s always there where they are not. That’s why I say if she’s cut it’s due to the writers thinking they can pull a fast one and people won’t care cause this fandom dislikes that she even exists.
It’s not actually because she’s irrelevant, she is important to the plot. She has broader implications for the story, but they do know she makes the fandom uncomfortable(look at the top post with a thousand notes in her tag by someone who supposedly “likes” her or how posts on her don’t get much engagement).
Team Green, team Black, it doesn’t matter. You guys have one thing in common and that’s hating the Black girl that was loved and lived while your faves died. Which is why people keep trying to make her into a pity case to cope(oh she should be cut from the show; oh it’s so sad somehow how she wound up away from Westeros society and a freaking goddess).
But I’m not supposed to say that because then I’m being a bitch and y’all(not you anon but others) go crying, harassing me, and still stalking me despite blocking me cause I called your card🙃
Hell, she makes them(showrunners) uncomfortable too so they are stalling until they absolutely have to include her lest they get called out for what they are.
Honestly think they cut Daeron from this season to make it look less obvious that she’s the only main secondary character missing. Can’t claim racism(even though that’s what it fucking is) when they’ve cut Daeron too.
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I can’t believe there’s excuses for what Rhaenyra says about Nettles, the only Black character in the Dance (“a common thing”, “low creature” and “you need only to look at her to know she has no drop of dragon’s blood in her”). Trying to pass it as her paranoia due to Mysaria and cheating doesn’t work. If you call a POC a racial slur, that’s racist regardless of whether that person did something to you. Rhaenyra isn’t Daenerys or Arya, she tried to murder a teenage Black girl. I am not here for any Rhaenyra’s stan trying to excuse or downplay a white woman’s misogynoir and classism because her sons died. Grief doesn’t make you suddenly racist, or compel you to say racist things. You were always that way. The grief just brought out the racism and supremacism that was always simmering beneath the surface.
Actually, Rhaenyra reminds me of the racist Southern plantation owner Mary Epps in the film 12 Years a Slave, who feels jealous and threatened by Patsey (played by Lupita Nyong’o) when her husband Ed constantly rapes Patsey and other female slaves. Mary hates and blames her and the other Black slaves for “seducing” her husband, while making excuses for his outbursts of rage, violence and lust.
And the fact that some of these people say that they like Nettles is what makes it worse.
(This also goes out to some of Team Green who any other time are capable of admitting that Miss Maegor is in the wrong, but suddenly when it’s a Black girl it’s all Missy Anne is a victim too).
If you actually liked Netty you wouldn’t downplay her hurt. You wouldn’t downplay how she was almost killed in her sleep by Missy Anne. You wouldn’t forget that she’s vulnerable. You wouldn’t forget that she is a too woman.
Any way you slice it, she being Black, homeless, a bastard, and the daughter of a whore, is the lowest person in the racial/social/class strata. You don’t like someone and ignore their identity and the role that plays in their treatment(both inside and outside the story).
Septon Eustace(the one who reported on what happened during the council meeting where Nettles death was given a death sentence) may be biased against Missy Anne, but remember who Nettles is.
Remember that even when he was defending her Corlys of all people still called her dirty and ill-favored.
Is it really so hard to believe that Missy Anne would call her a low creature without a drop of dragon’s blood?
Is the woman who ordered her head truly supposed to suddenly be a beacon of morality?
Murder is fine, but she wouldn’t stoop to racism. Eustace totally just threw in those lines for shits and giggles.
As if he needed to do such a thing when she was fine with breaking guests rights and murdering her in her sleep.
Missy Anne is in the wrong here. Not Daemon who was the one person(baring Maester Norren, shout-out to him, he seems nice) who didn’t have a thing to say against her and protected her with his life. Or Mysaria, who while is a conniving snake, she’s not the one who signed that letter.
Like it or not the moment Missy Anne ordered Nettles to be murdered she became the big bad wolf in her story.
The “mental breakdown” excuse is old. She was perfectly fine with Mysaria sleeping with her husband, but only flips out when a Black girl does it.
To not acknowledge that shows me that you value her feelings, personhood, and “suffering” over Nettles(and there are broader implications with that).
Rhaenyra is just like the women from old yonder. The only difference between she and a woman like Mrs. Epps is that she has more power yet she still chooses to punish Nettles rather than her husband. Point blank period she’s a racist.
Then again it’s not hard to see why these people don’t think Missy Anne is racist given how quick they are to say Nettles should be cut because she is Black, are comfortable with calling characters the N-word or comparing Black characters to monkeys, don’t see the problem with calling Dettles disgusting even though they ship an abusive incestuous relationship, yet somehow they aren’t racist a**holes.
Anyone taking these people remotely seriously, let alone viewing them as an authority on racial issues is out of their mind.
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It’s odd when people go out of their way in fanfiction to make Daemon have a (white) daughter that he dotes and openly loves and has a good relationship with, but then turn around and either erase Baela and Rhaena or never have Daemon or their OC acknowledge their (black/blackish) siblings/daughters. Especially when you take into consideration that he’s a sh!t father to said (black/blackish) daughters in the show which is what most of them base their fanfiction off of 🤷🏾♀️
I really have no words for their behavior. The fact that they’ll go out of their way to create so many white OCs that way Daemon has a daughter “that’s like him” all while pretending Baela who’s his carbon copy in female form (and Rhaena) doesn’t matter is really astounding to me.
The fact that they don’t see themselves or don’t care or say they aren’t racist(and will use the excuse that Baela and Rhaena are white in canon yet they hardly have any more content than they did prior to the show which definitely shouldn’t be the case) will never not be funny.
We should have a ton of heart-to-heart daddy-daughter scenes. We shouldn’t want another character only put in to serve as someone’s surrogate daughter when he already has two very much real and alive daughters.
Even outside of Daemon these girls should be talked about, praised, used in romantic pairings, etc. We should see way more than what we are seeing for them. It’s all so weird, but alas that’s fandom life in this crazy fandom(and in most fandoms cause unfortunately anti-Blackness always seeps in).
#baela and rhaena deserve better#they are final girls#hotdask#treat them with the respect they deserve#baela targaryen#rhaena targaryen#rhaena of pentos#bnask#bnasks#anti hotd fandom#hotd#they are daemons only daughters sorry if it upsets you they have more melanin now 🤷🏽♀️#the disrespect didn't start until they turned blackish#refuse to insert or even relate to them because of their skin color and you can’t pretend that your fave gave birth to them#so you ignore them and come up with the white ocs 🤷🏽♀️#then get made when black fans call you out or create or own#a mess and a nightmare#hotd fandom misogynoir#hotd fandom racism
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I imagine they will tease nettles’ character in the 2nd season, and only flesh her out through her relationship with daemon, which is disappointing but appears to be the case. Knowing ryan he will probably make their relationship extremely sexual rather than taking into account how much she changed daemon and his prespectives about everything. Its all part of the this general idea they have to rid rhaenyra and alicent of all guilt and instead throw it at the men in the room just to call it ✨feminism✨it started with daemon abusing rhaenyra although he never did in the books, being a war mongering freak even though in the books he was careful about sending in dragons riders first, they will for sure make blood and cheese entirely his idea, streets are also saying they will make him take kingslanding alone while rhaenyra is negotiating for peace and licking alicent’s boots. So i have no doubt that they will erase his effections towards nettles because it would humanize him and they don’t want that, they will make it out to be sexually exploitative relationship and have rhaenyra scream at him for sleeping with one of the seeds instead of being a raging racist who’s simply jealous
You’d think he’d learn his lesson by now(especially since HBO did listen/was forced to feature Baela in that trailer), but if he goes this route, there is no way Black audiences will be a okay with him making Nettles into Jezebel and not say anything about it.
That man is dead wrong and should tread carefully lest he wants HOTD to get called out for their anti-Blackness once again by making another Black woman into a walking stereotype.
And the way this story is set up and with the leaks being put out, Daemon is already sleeping with other women. Missy Anne getting upset with him sleeping with Nettles, but not the other non-Black women will look nonsensical and borderline racist. Not to mention I don't see how they'll drop the part about Missy Anne trying to kill Nettles. So unless they turn Nettles into a villain(which again they'd be flamed for) she’ll still end up looking like the bad guy.
People should really think about boycotting the show(or at least only watch by bootlegging it) if this is the case.
#bnask#bnasks#this is beyond ship wars#you can’t just treat black characters any kinda way and be praised for it#that’s not going to work Ryan#nettles#anti hotd#hotd fandom misogynoir
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That last anon is cooking something. The book does have a second account of daemon being a father figure to nettles. A maester swears by it in fact. The salacious rumors about bathing were told by maids and we know which rumors not to trust (some of mushroom's, singers, maids, etc).
It makes sense if nettles' arc is split between rhaena and addam actually. Rhaena joining daemon at the riverlands fulfills the father-daughter arc that is in need of confrontration and closure since s1. It wouldn't make sense if you have rhaena, addam, and nettles as dragonriders. There'd be too many of them. Someone has to go and rhaena is already a poc. The only answer here is nettles. Addam aIready exists and is non-valyrian looking.
Tbh your self-insert fantasies are getting in the way of you seeing this in an objective light. They're clearly not following the books so why are you expecting a throuple or an incestuous dad-daughter one is to one comparison from the book? Clearly nonny was pertaining to the second account being fulfilled, which would be much better than a contrived alleged cheating plot.
The only thing you and the other anon are cooking is some meth in a basement to feed the voices in your heads🤣
For those that don't know this is a link to the ask that this Dumbnyra stan is talking about.
You must think I’m as stupid as your cult of delusional morons if you expect me to believe that they had someone come in to play Nettles, dressed her up and everything, but only as an easter egg🙃:
You and the other anon need to come up with a better excuse for why they’ll cut Nettles and replace her with Rhaena than the toilet water your spilling.
Shipping nonsense aside, Rhaena is a highborn girl who comes from a dragon-riding family. She may be neglected by her father, but she’s undoubtedly privileged and she does have family who do care about her.
Nettles is the complete opposite of that. She comes from literally nothing. She has no one. The odds are stacked against her and yet this little brown-skinned bastard girl claims a dragon that killed others who had the “right blood.”
She’s supposed to show us that it’s more than blood that makes us. No other dragonseed or dragonrider has gone through what she has and none of them will. She’s a survivor in every sense of the word.
You are literally missing the point of her arc if you think they can just copy and paste it onto Rhaena(or Addam or whoever) cause they are all POC(don't hide behind that word because it doesn't make you look less racist when we know you mean Black) now.
Learn how to read first before you come for me with the self-insert bull crap(rich coming from the likes of you considering that’s the only reason why you care about Dumbnyra and why you refuse to see Nettles as an actual important character):
Maester Norren’s Testimony is supposed to support not dispute the assertion that Daemon and Nettles are lovers (see the “and in this case”).
You can't cherry-pick what you want from a source(which is what you’re trying to do because you know it makes no sense that a man bathes naked alone with their grown daughter). Maester Norren believes what the maids say. He never questions it so you either drop his account entirely or you accept the whole of it.
The maids were there. They weren’t just gossiping for the sake of gossiping or making sh*t up because everyone at Maidenpool from Lord Mooton’s brother to those lowly maids could see how fond Daemon was of Netty:
As far as the show goes, despite what you guys try to claim, your ship has hit dead water:
This show was never centered around Dumbnyra’s “epic love story.” Nettles and the “contrived cheating plot” was always going to come along (and you can cry about it till the cows come home):
As I asked the other anon, if you truly believe that Rhaena will replace Nettles what will be the new cause of Daemon abandoning Rhaenyra?
Does Mysaria still accuse him of sleeping with his own daughter and Rhaenyra believes her and orders Rhaena’s death or does Daemon just decide to abandon her and end it all for sh*ts and giggles?
What makes him confront Aemond now knowing that Rhaenyra needs him, Rhaena’s life doesn’t hang in the balance, and he doesn’t have to make a choice? What’s the reason? What’s the motivation? Don’t leave us in suspense 🙃
And before another Dumbnyra stan sends me another anonymous message talking about how mean I am or how I’m just a biased self-inserter, let me go quote myself from yesterday because you are proving my point:
This is why I responded to the first anon and yourself the way I did. Your side of the fandom is riddled with misogynoir and anti-Blackness all under the guise feminism(while disrespecting every female character who isn't Rhaenyra).
In your bigoted minds, you all think there can only be one or two Black people around, or else there are too many in a sea of white characters you can root for. The presence of a whopping six Black(ish) characters is just so distressing for you.
You all think it’s fine to cut the only in-canon Black character and insert her arc onto race-bent characters because you don’t want her there.
You refuse to see her importance because she’s Black. You refuse to relate to her because she’s Black. You refuse to see her as an actual character with a story worthy of being told because she’s Black.
A story that is unique among the dragonseeds(yes even with Addam having dark hair because he’s still being claimed by Corlys and he has a family) but you ignore it all in favor of she should be cut because there are just too many Black characters.
Let's call a spade a spade and say the main reason you want her cut and replaced with Rhaena is because you know that if Nettles is there she will be Daemon’s lover and due to the color of her skin you refuse to self-insert into a Negro like you do Rhaenyra. Rhaena is the safe option because you know Daemon can't f*ck his own daughter. Don’t insult my intelligence and say that you are doing this because you people actually want to make her more of a key player during the Dance or want daddy to pay attention to her.
I’ve already laid out how they can make Rhaena more actively involved so if you really cared about her you’d root for a story line like this:
You don’t care about Nettles, Rhaena, or Addam who all have their respective plot lines and roles to play. This is all being done to keep your sinking ship afloat(too late for that because it’s already struck the iceberg and it’s going down faster than the Titanic).
You know who can be cut/combined considering they have basically the same role (betraying Rhaenyra)? Ulf and Hugh. Oh, but that’s right, they are both white so you’d never suggest that. They are just too important to the plot for one to be cut.
Your all Negros are the same to me, they’ll have five Negros on the show and that’s five too many even though this show is majority white, I’ll lose what’s left of my sanity if they add one more so they’ve had to have reached their Black quota behind can go somewhere else and spout that bull crap to your fellow Nazi wannabes.
If people can not see how racist this cult of a fandom is I don’t know what to tell you, but I won’t be entertaining your unserious bs about Nettles on my blog when you come out the gate with racially charged language.
#nettles#netty#bnasks#bnask#nettles ask#nettles asoiaf#nettles f&b#if anyone asks why I don’t like Dumbnyra stans this is why#hotd fandom misogynoir#hotd fandom racism#dumbnyra anon
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Did you read Collider article about the rumor of Nettles being cut? They said it's bad idea for the plot and the exploration of the whole ASOIAF world, but they also said that if they're doing that is to give more development to Rhaena combining her storyline with hers, but mainly cause of Daemyra since the couple became popular, they don't want risk to ruin it with Daemon being unloyal to her cause Show want them to be each others true love. So, if they're going to take this route, i assume Nyra will eventually forgive Daemon for choking her out and Daemon's redemption is actually gonna be about him being blindly loyal to Nyra, to prove Otto wrong about him, when he says he wants the throne ecc when Viserys was alive. They also said though that nothing is confirmed and that there's still possibility of Nettles showing up in S3 but they're convinced that her absence in S2 is a loss for the Show. Honestly Collider might be right, however this whole centred on Daemyra doesn't correspond to what Ryan Condal said who claimed that the story is centred on Rhaenyra and Alicent, but ofc we don't need to believe nor trust blindly Showrunner since he has always been the first on being inconsistent, besides Emma.
I looked the article up.
They aren’t lying. Despite what her missing several screws stanbase says, cutting Nettles would be a big mistake, but as much as I hate thinking that way I could legitimately see them cutting her to appease Missy Anne’s stans.
It’s not as if it hasn’t been done before.
Black girl gets cast in a role. She looks like she’s going to get with the man guy or she’s supposed to be his love interest(he could be white, but honestly her being with any race of man that the fandoms likes pisses people off).
Racist fans b*tch about it. The showrunners have no guts and are racist themselves so they give into said racist stans demands and either cut the girl out, kill her off, reduce her role, or replace her. Rinse recycle and repeat.
This has happened with The Flash, Sleepy Hollow, Twisted, Person of Interest, and it is happening currently with The Bear fandom(although I think Sydcarmy is going to be endgame despite those fans trying it). It’s misogynoir.
HOTD prides itself on diversity, but it’s very surface level. They put a few brown faces in a few roles that they know where they won’t be around for that long, where they won’t rock the boat too much, or they give them hardly any screen-time, and just have them standing there being subservient to white people(GOT did this too just on a smaller scale).
If Nettles is cut it’s not because she’s irrelevant, unnecessary, or whatever else those people want to say. It’s because of systemic racism that perpetuates all aspects of our society including in fictional settings in order to keep the status quo that white women are the most desirable and valued women.
I really don’t care what they do at this point. I’m tapped out of this fandom.
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