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helaenasaegon · 3 days
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Green stans have the nerve to say that this show is biased in favor of the Blacks when their socials post nonsense like this:
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On top of that, the showrunners have changed Alicent and Aemond so much in order to baby them that she's an entirely different character in the show, and he's taken multiple of his little brother's traits.
So which side is this show actually biased in favor of?
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lovl3igh · 1 month
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i don't even like aegon but the way alicent treated him in that scene makes my blood boil
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hitting 13 yo and blaming him for what happened because he didn't act like a babysitter "and where were you?!" i'm sorry ma'am where were YOU? the queen and the mother. giving nasty side eyes and finding new ways to torture rhaenyra and her sons surely
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drakaripykiros130ac · 1 month
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Just a reminder that the only reason Alicent Hightower survived the Dance of the Dragons is because her spiteful and ungrateful behind was touched by Rhaenyra’s mercy.
Alicent was supposed to be executed along with her snake of a father after the Blacks took King’s Landing.
Rhaenyra decided to spare Alicent because she knew how much Viserys loved his second wife. She honored her father by sparing this woman who bullied her since she was 8 years old and plotted to steal her throne.
That’s the definition of mercy.
And through Rhaenyra’s mercy, Alicent got an even better punishment than death: live long enough to watch everything she worked for blow up in her face while her entire line ended.
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darklinaforever · 1 month
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WTF ?!
Rhaenyra had no choice but to marry Laenor ! Viserys vetoed this in episode 4 ! It was an arranged marriage that was imposed on her !
Did this person even watch the show ?! Or rather as she likes to say, did she watch the show with her eyes closed ?!
They were forced to marry, but the agreement was made that once their duty was done, namely to provide an heir to the kingdom, they could sexually do whatever they wanted !
Unfortunately, they tried to have children, but were unsuccessful. So Rhaenyra turned to Harwin for agreement with Laenor.
That's what happened.
My god, the Green stans are pathetic, on top of being disgusting.
I'm hallucinating. This person is really twisted.
As Rhaenyra would say :
Exhausting wasn't it ? Hiding beneath of your own righteousness !
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watcherintheweyr · 9 days
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Green stans not understanding the reason alicent attacked rhaenyra at driftmark just proves media literacy is fucking dead.
She literally says it. "Where is duty? Where is sacrifice?" Because she's angry Rhaenyra didn't lay down to suffer alongside her.
To her, Rhaenyra marrying who the crown told her to, to fix Viserys' alienation and insult of house Velaryon wasn't enough. Rhaenyra serving and participating on the Small council for years as heir wasn't enough. Rhaenyra swallowing her terror of childbirth to provide the throne with heirs wasn't enough. Sitting and ruling the heirs seat wasn't enough. Acting as heir and trying to solve problems such as the ep.2 Dragonstone conflict wasn't enough. She SAYS IT in episode 2- tells Rhaenyra, the **named heir** that it is not her place to question the plots of kings and men when Rhaenyra expressed the fear that they are plotting to set her aside and remarry her father.
Because she **cannot stand** that Rhaenyra dared to grasp for power and autonomy while doing these things. She cannot stand that Rhaenyra dared to try and be happy whilst also fulfilling her duties. She cannot stand that she did 'everything right' and 'served the kingdom, the family, the law' and is miserable and alone. She was queen for 20 years and only ever used her power to harm Rhaenyra and her children and to further her own abuse onto her own daughter.
All she used her power for was to protect Cole from the consequences of murdering a knight at a royal wedding. To protect Cole from the consequences of slandering the crown princess. To cover up Larys **murdering his family** because while she acted oh so horrified, it served her needs. To cover up Aegons abuses- and we see even as early as ep 6 that female staff are afraid of him.
To protect Cole from the consequences of **bullying and trying to harm** Rhaenyras sons in 'training.' To instill hatred and treason in her children against their sister. To explicitly allow Argon to bully Aemond as he likes so long as when they're in the public eye, they present a united front.
She did everything right but she's miserable and alone. Rhaenyra made the system that harmed women work for her, and wasn't. And she couldn't stand it. To her, Rhaenyra not accepting the rule and superiority of the men around them was the ultimate betrayal. Rhaenyra protecting herself from Alicent, who was above and all, primarily Otto's creature, by not sharing her secrets, was a crime.
Alicent didn't attack Rhaenyra and Luke for Aemond. She did it for herself.
And now the kingdom saw her for who she was. Jealous, greedy, grasping.
Nothing Rhaenyra ever did would be enough duty or sacrifice to her. Because Rhaenyra wasn't suffering alongside her. Olivia Cooke states as much herself.
She has become a tool of the patriarchy against other women. She ISNT the moral dutiful paragon she presents herself as.
Rhaenyra was right when she fired back with 'exhausting wasn't it? Hiding beneath the cloak of your own righteousness. But now they see you as you are." Because Alicent played her hand. She revealed the jealousy, the greed and that loathing she has towards Rhaenyra for simply not laying down beside her to suffer and sacrifice, whilst men rule and hold power.
She hates Rhaenyra for not serving men as women should- that's what she means when she calls Rhaenyra entitled. That's what she means when she says Rhaenyra 'tramples it under her pretty foot.'
Rhaenyra being the heir that a man 'should' be- that she wants her son to be, as payment for suffering and doing her duty- is a slap in the face to Alicent and she can't stand it. Nevermond that as shown in ep 2 and ep 6 that Rhaenyra is GOOD at it. That's why she scoffed in ep 6, that's why she dismissed Rhaenyras concerns and place in ep 2.
She cannot fucking stand it. And now they see her as she is.
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aurabora · 1 month
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alicent is a “childbride at 15” and suddenly her growth is stunted forever and she can’t be held accountable for her actions but luke was “nearly a man” when he died at 13 so therefore he deserved to die and has to answer for the “sin” of taking his uncles eye out? mkay.
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Aemond "my uncle is a challenge welcome, if he dares face me. Although I’m talking about the most dangerous man in Westeros, the one who rides the dragon the longest and has the most experience in battle. By comparison, my only experience was killing a dragon the size of a horse. When he looked at me, I peed on myself" Targaryen and Alicent " Viserys wanted Aegon to succeed him. Although he called me by the name of his first wife and hardly recognized the existence of my children" Hightower. Aemond take it from his mother, the delusion run thick!!!
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rhaenin-time · 1 month
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I've gotta say it...
I do not like how Rhaenicent and Rhaenicent-adjacent interpretations of HotD tend to trivialize the very real parental abuse Rhaenyra suffers at Alicent's hands. I especially don't like how so many people refuse to recognize Alicent as her primary abuser dating back to that 1x04 "confrontation" under the weirwood tree. And I truly despise how the writers refuse to come out and say it, how they're too eager to embrace this absurd form of white feminism, when Alicent's abuse is the only reasonable justification for Rhaenyra's doormat characterization in the latter half of season one.
Honestly, it's gross. And, much like many of the other insane takes I've seen coming out of this franchise, it makes me worry about how many people are unwilling to recognize that clear-cut behaviour in real life.
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reignof-fyre · 2 months
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I'm gonna say it: it's aemond's own fault he lost his eye in both the show and the book. Both times, he snuck out to claim vhagar. In the show, he wasn't stopped. In the book, three year old Joffrey Velaryon was with his dragon because he was an early riser and told Aemond to stay away from Vhagar, so Aemond - who was much older - pushed little three year old Joffrey over and, in his fear of being caught because he knew he was doing something his parents would like, claimed Vhagar and flew her for the first time.
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Baby Joffrey, all of three years old, then of course runs to get his big brothers, likely crying and terrified. Because he's, y'know, A BABY.
In the show, Aemond claims Vhagar and with arrogance and smugness returns to the castle, high on the fact that he'd just claimed Vhagar, uncaring of how rude/insulting it may have been to claim Vhagar on the night of her previous riders funeral, like A NORMAL PERSON.
When, in the show, Rhaena and Baela confront Aemond with Luke and Jace, they're clearly upset. Their mother has just died, its her funeral, and their last tether to her - Vhagar - has been claimed by Aemond. They say he stole her, and while dragons can't be stolen, he did use underhanded tactics to obtain her and bond with her. And his haughtiness afterwards, towards the daughters of the woman whose dragon he just claimed, is what makes the altercation his fault.
Baela, upset: Vhagar is my mother's dragon!
Aemond, uncaring: Your mother is dead, and Vhagar has a new rider now.
Rhaena: she was mine to claim!
Aemond: then you should have claimed her. Maybe your cousins can find you a pig to ride. It would suit you.
Rhaena then hits Aemond, provoked into this by his cruel words and actions. Was it right? No. But it's literally the night of her mums funeral, Vhagar has been claimed by someone who clearly doesn't care about her mother, and he just insulted her. Aemond pushes Rhaena to the ground, so Baela slaps him in defense of her sister, and he punches her in the face.
Aemond: come at me again and I'll feed you to my dragon!
Now aemond is threatening to murder his cousins, which is par for the course for hid character. He always had kinslaying in him.
The fight devolves even more, and Jace and Luke get involved, defending their cousins. Luke, a little kid, is whacked and shoved to the ground, so Jace jumps in. Then Baela decides to help, and she and Luke - both of them younger and smaller - start wailing on Aemond (u go kids).
Aemond kicks Luke off of him, throws Baela off, and stands only to grab Luke - only five - by the throat and hold a rock over his head and threaten him.
Aemond: you will die screaming in flames just as your father did, bastard.
Luke, terrified and upset: my father is still alive!
Aemond, amused: he doesn't know, does he? Lord Strong.
This is when Jace pulls his knife, literally the size of my thumb, and attacks. Jace us quickly unarmed by Aemond, who is still holding the rock, and Luke sees the blade. Aemond holds the rock over them, smirks at Rhaena and Baela, then gets sand thrown in his face and Luke slashes at him wildly, not even aiming for his eye, just aiming to stop Aemond from hurting Jace and himself and his cousins, because at this point Luke has heard death threats, and seen Aemond take on him and the other three easily and win, so of bloody course this terrified little boy used a weapon to defend himself when it became necessary.
After, Alicent makes the situation about her because she's a poor uwu baby (gag me with a chainsaw, I loathe her) and attacks Rhaenyra as though Rhaenyra and her kids were in the wrong? Gurl.
Aemond will then go on to use him losing his eye as an excuse to use his war dragon to chase fourteen year old Luke on tiny baby Arrax and have the FUCKING AUDACITY to look shocked when it went wrong? Aemond is still at fault for Luke's death even if "he didn't mean it" or "he lost control" (he's not a true dragon lmfao)
In the book, Joffrey - who is three - returns with Jace and Luke, who grabbed wooden swords - they won't help against Vhagar bbys - in defense of their brother.
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Despite it being three on one, Aemond was winning the fight until Luke slashed him, and good thing he did otherwise Aemond wouldn't have stopped in my opinion. He'd have kept going, beating the boys to bloody pulps. It was stable-boys who had to end the fight, where were the guards? Cole was probably simping over alicunt tbh.
Also, Alicent was the first to demand Luke's eye in recompense for Aemond losing his soz not soz ya uwu Queen is a cunt heh
Aemond will then, years later, attack Luke because of this and kill him and start the Dance of Dragons in full because not only did he cause the events that took his eye, but also the worst war in history, all because he's a little bitch baby sociopath with genocidal tendencies lmfao
Also, Aemond got off lightly, merely losing his eye - do u know what the punishment is for people who attack a princes' daughters and the heir to the throne sons? Calling them bastards, which is treason!!!! Death. Bitch shit should be exuberant that he merely lost an eye. Unfortunately viserys is a bitch and didn't send Aemond to the Wall like Jaehaerys would have for fucking real lol
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I believe this is the tiktok op is talking about. For those who don't feel like opening the link, here's what it says:
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This is yet another case of Alicent stans being pissy when confronted with the truth of her character and taking it out on Rhaenyra. The poster of the tiktok is simply pointing out Alicent's hypocrisy and how readily she sacrificed her daughter for her ambition.
Apparently op believes Rhaenyra stans are making up actual facts of the story? I know they didn't read the book, but did they even watch the actual show? The main reason why Rhaenyra is seen as a better mother than Alicent is because we actually see how they treat their children.
Alicent takes every opportunity she has to instill treason into her sons. She teaches Aemond that Rhaenyra's sons are below him and constantly yells at Aegon that he's the "true heir". She actively allows Aegon to bully Aemond, as long as he does is in private. She full on physically assaults him when she thinks he's being too disgraceful in public.
With Helaena, it doesn't really matter how nicely Alicent treated her. Ultimately, Helaena is treated by her mother as a method to support Aegon's claim and give him "true Targaryen" heirs.
In the show, this is made even more disgusting because Alicent herself was forced to marry at a young age and have children she didn't want. She forced her only daughter to marry Aegon, who bullied and demeaned her, at fucking thirteen, this likely being when Helaena started menstruating. That's not being just a "flawed mother", that's a woman sacrificing her daughter in the name of blind ambition and treason.
I'm sure Alicent did love her children, in her own demented way. But she didn't love them enough to spare them from her and her father's ambitions. Alicent sacrificed each of her children for the throne and lived to see them all die for it.
Rhaenyra loved her children more than anything, part of the reason she fought so hard was for them. She knew Alicent's psychopathic sons would kill them if she surrendered. Every scene of Rhaenyra and her children, we see how much she cares about them and how tenderly she treats them. No, Rhaenyra isn't a perfect mother, but her sons never doubt for a moment that she loves them.
Not to mention that Rhaenyra actually respects their opinions, she included Jace, Luke, and even Baela and Rhaena in her war councils, and takes their opinions seriously. Alicent doesn't listen to her daughter or treat her like an adult. Aegon she drags around like a reluctant chess piece, one she beats because she can't deal with the the fact that she raised a rapist, but doesn't actually care enough to not make him the most powerful man in the realm. Aemond she treats as her emotional support, which is interesting given how completely unstable the guy is.
Op is another example of how Alicent stans don't actually like Alicent as a character, they like her aesthetic and victimhood. They hate how Alicent actually is written and lash out at anyone who points out who she really is.
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daenerysthefirst · 5 months
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"Where is duty? Where is sacrifice?" is not some iconic gotcha moment the Green stans think it is. It shows how enraged Alicent is because, in her eyes, she has done her duty, she has sacrificed herself, and it still never brought her satisfaction. From her perspective, she has done everything right, and she is still miserable. Instead of questioning the system that set her up for the failure, she focuses her rage on Rhaenyra, who, in Alicent eyes, hasn't suffered enough (she fails to acknowledge Rhaenyra sacrificing her own freedom of choice and doing her duty by marrying Laenor).
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dragondream-ing · 5 months
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If someone defends Rhaenyra’s usurpation because of tRaDiTiOn, they better be waving a Maegor banner proudly.
I’m being serious.
So many people in this fandom care about the tradition of Westerosi inheritance and act like yelling about it justifies team green’s actions. They never seem to take into consideration what it means.
This post is inspired by my allergy to inconsistency and hypocrisy. Here we go.
The only consistent tradition of Targaryen succession is the ruler choosing their own heir. Sometimes that aligned with Westerosi tradition, often it did not. And it started with the very first heir. So either you admit Maegor was the rightful heir over Aenys, or you admit he wasn’t because Aegon the Conqueror said so.
Let me explain.
Visenya was Aegon’s first wife. In Westerosi tradition, Rhaenys would be considered at best a mistress and her children out of the succession or, at the least, behind Visenya’s children. The lords accepted the validity of Aegon’s plural marriage because they didn’t have the power to oppose the Conquerors, simple as. Tradition didn’t matter in the face of dragons. It is not a genuine argument and hasn’t been since the creation of the Crown itself. House Targaryen’s exceptionalism went beyond incest and dragons from the start, and accepting Aenys as king shows the nobles accepted this when it was convenient.
So I’d like team green to be consistent. Is the king’s word law, a la Aegon choosing Aenys as his heir? Or is this a break from tradition that was only corrected when Maegor killed his nephew and took the throne?
It gets messy from here. Maegor, as we know, didn’t have a child, so he chose his great-niece, Aerea as his heir. Jaehaerys was still alive, he could’ve chosen him. Heck, that might’ve eased like a drop of the tension between him, Jaehaerys and Alyssa Velaryon. So if you’re a tradition truther, Maegor was the proper king but then chose an untraditional heir. Hmm.
Then we get to Jaehaerys, and a tradition truther might think YES, THAT’S OUR GUY. But he’s really not.
Yes, he stopped considering his eldest living child, Daenerys, as his heir after Aemon was born. But then Aemon died.
Aemon did, however, die with an heir. Her name was Rhaenys. In Westerosi tradition, she’d inherit after him, because a daughter inherits before a brother. Now, I know the lords do all sorts of things to circumvent this (see Alys Karstark), but that *is* Westerosi tradition.
Did Jaehaerys follow tradition? Nope. He picked his second oldest son, Baelon.
Some might say there are logical reasons for this. Baelon was a warrior, older, and had grown sons. Rhaenys was like 18, married to an ambitious lord not named Targaryen, and at risk of dying in childbirth (Baelon was named heir in 92, Rhaenys had her first child in 92). HOWEVER, we see with Jeyne Arryn becoming Lady of the Vale while still a *toddler* that Westerosi tradition doesn’t set aside claims merely because such concerns exist. In fact, in ASOIAF, some Lannister married an f-ing BABY to lay claim to her lands because *she* is the acknowledged inheritor.
You could argue that it matters more when it’s the Crown, and I’ll concede that while pointing out you’ve made my argument for me: isn’t that a good reason for the Crown to do what it wants instead of following traditions that hamstring it?
If you’re a tradition truther, however, you should be in a rage and insisting Rhaenys inherit, and you should be outraged by what was done to her at the Council of 101 after Baelon dies. Her claim wasn’t even considered, Laenor’s was—ya know, her toddler son who got his claim *through* her.
So then Viserys takes the throne and continues the Targaryen custom of choosing his heir. And the tradition truthers of the fandom rise up and boo, and they cry “duty and sacrifice! What about tradition!?”
Just admit that the lords of Westeros, Alicent, her merry band of greens, and the fans that make excuses for them didn’t and don’t care about tradition unless it suits them, and they only become vocal about it when a woman stands a good chance of inheriting over a man.
Viserys never wavered in his choice, the realm knew it and so did the greens. This is precisely why Rhaenyra had far more support than her brother, and why the argument that the realm wouldn’t accept her is bs. The realm DID accept her. Because they understood something many in this fandom struggle to
There was only one consistent tradition of royal succession between the Conquest and the Dance: the ruler chooses their heir.
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bunnyshideawayy · 10 days
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watching people “defend” Alicent by saying the fandom hates feminine women when Rhaenyra actively gets all her feminine attributes stripped from her character in both canons and by the fandom itself, literally putting her on the same level as Maegor, will never not make me laugh.
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drakaripykiros130ac · 6 months
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Another useless TG argument: “Alicent asked to see the baby, not for Rhaenyra herself to bring him. Rhaenyra chose to make a scene.”
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Alicent was separating a mother from her newborn simply to show off her power, and for the possibility to nourish her obsession in front of the whole Court (“See? See??? Brown hair! Brown hair!”).
Rhaenyra was supposed to do what? Allow the maids to bring her newborn child to the woman who despises her and who is known to have a vendetta against her innocent children?
Newborns are vulnerable. You mean to tell me that Rhaenyra didn’t consider that Alicent could have done something to hurt the child if he were alone in her possession?
Green fans are simply upset because Rhaenyra managed to counter attack beautifully by bringing the child herself.
1. She showed the entire Court how cruel their queen is, by demanding to see her and the child immediately after birth.
2. She showed true strength by managing not only to stay on her feet but also to walk a long way and climb stairs in order to reach Alicent’s chambers, and everyone at Court saw it and was in awe.
3. She was sending Alicent a very clear message: she would not be pushed around.
Alicent got away with a lot of things those many years and constantly abused her power without facing any consequences. Viserys just let her do whatever she wanted. She was very, very, very lucky that Daemon was away from Court. Married to Rhaenyra or not, if Daemon were at Court, do you really think he would have let Alicent get away with this psychological torture she was inflicting on the Crown Princess and her children? I actually fear even thinking what Daemon would have done to her.
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darklinaforever · 2 months
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“Viserys abused poor Alicent.”
No.
Otto sent his daughter to seduce a grieving Viserys. He pimped his own daughter. It's not complicated to understand, is it ?
What kind of mental gymnastics are you doing to blame Viserys for Alicent's shitty life ?
Otto is the problem in the HOTD series universe for Alicent's shitty situation. It's a simple fact.
And once again, no point in invoking Alicent's age to prove that Viserys would be a perverse man.
It is a universe inspired by the feudal era where women of Alicent's age were considered marriageable.
Viserys, in this context is not a predator. He is just a product of his times.
Do you want to blame anyone for the fact that women were married young back then ? Blame the society of the time and how it functioned then.
Viserys himself was a kind and somewhat simple man. His mistake was to sincerely believe the lies Alicent instilled by Otto.
He apparently never mistreated Alicent.
He treated her kindly and never punished her for her disrespectful behavior like the green dress stunt or trying to gouge out Lucerys' eye herself.
I bet you if Alicent had told him that she didn't want sex with him during episode 4, he probably would have left her alone.
From his point of view, Alicent was completely consenting.
And even if we can't be 100% sure that he wouldn't have forced himself on her if she had refused, given Viserys' character, compared to what I mentioned above (generally letting Alicent commit disrespectful acts but not doing anything against her afterwards), I doubt he's the type of man to do it.
Some Green fans are trying to make it seem like Viserys was trying to humiliate Alicent by calling her Aemma, while the guy wasn't even in his right mind anymore and was starting to confuse things.
I'm tired of people acting like Viserys has treated Alicent badly all these years. He did not do it.
For the time, Alicent was lucky that her husband was like Viserys.
Is the true.
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salvatoreren · 3 months
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so many people are justifying luke and jace's death for the fact that they are bastards and hate rhaenyra for getting mad at it, like i'm sorry? They're her sons? She carried them for nine months? They're her blood?
that's why rhaenyra was mad when alicent said bastard blood, shed at war, because up till then alicent gave no respect for her sons' death, she didn't see them as innocents losing their lives, a casualty in the war, no she saw them as bastards still. The least she could do was feel sorry since she herself was a mother and wouldn't want her children to be brutally murdered as well.
like it's okay to murder children because they're bastards but not mine?
ryan condal implying that there is still hope between rhaenyra and alicent even after luke's death, like do you know how stupid that sounds? Your son was murdered by her son, by then, any sort of friendship or love you may feel for them is supposed to die.
"But her son's actions aren't hers?!!!" well she's certainly has a part in it, alicent's actions in crowning aegon was the reason why luke was murdered in the first place, did we watch the same series?
alicent heard what she wanted to hear because she knows how sick viserys is in the first place, that man has constantly been hallucinating for all we know, like they are many aegons in the family...
you can't also say that alicent didn't know or she didn't want it in the first place, like is that all the argument you can say? That alicent really has no form of agency? that her character has always been moved by the plot and never by herself? That she had no part in this? When she does, right from the moment she wore green, she waged war so you can't tell me she didn't know or wanted this because of that.
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