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woundedsaint · 2 years

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"This was always going to happen. She's been dead since the beginning."

— Aeschylus: The Oresteia

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mysterious-secret-garden · 10 months

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Corrado Giaquinto - The Sacrifice of Iphigenia, 1759-60.

#Corrado Giaquinto #The Sacrifice of Iphigenia #sacrifice #Iphigenia

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my-burnt-city · 1 year

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excuse me, the sacrifice of WHOMST?

#sleep no more #sleep no more nyc #the mckittrick hotel #mckittrick hotel #paisley players #the paisley players #the sacrifice of iphigenia #paul zivkovich #marla phelan #olly hornsby-sayer

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elliewritessometimes · 5 months

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#combining my chronic pain with the pain of classical women #also hi! its me again #i think r might like this #listen to hozier's son of nyx while you read this as that's what i wrote it to #my writing #poetry #poetry hour!!#references to:#the aeneid #the oresteia (specifically agamemnon)#the sacrifice of iphigenia #the thesmophoria #this also has big punchdrunk energy i think

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marysmirages · 2 years

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Iphigenia in Tauris (2022)

#iphigenia #eurypides #deer #arthemis #sacrifice #ancient greek mythology #minoan greece #mycenaean greece #bronze age #agamemnon #iphigenia in tauris #marysmirages #art #painting

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transbutchbluess · 5 months

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iphigeneia is so precious to me (i’m 1500 words into writing the scene of her sacrifice, from her pov. i need to read iphigeneia at aulis again tomorrow because i’ve been writing from memory and i know i made mistakes/forgot to include some ritual steps)

(also i know euripides says calchas is the one who holds the knife but for me it’ll always be agamemnon, it might not make sense but idc)

#i’m always so obsessed with child sacrifices in myths #like i think about the binding of isaac everyday too #helpol #yes i’m dedicating this writing to artemis #iphigenia #ancient greek mythology #ancient greece #greek myth retellings #greek myths #greek mythology #iphigeneia #writing #writers on tumblr

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coloricioso · 1 year

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How modern retellings are delegitimizing Clytemnestra:

Something I hate from modern retellings turning Agamemnon into "the worst man who ever existed" to "justify" Clytemnestra's actions is that, by doing so, you're erasing Clytemnestra's power and complexity.

It goes like this:

When you make Agamemnon a greedy man who doesn't care about his daughter, or even hates her, then the entire point of the sacrifice loses all meaning and sense. If for Agamemnon, sacrificing Iphigenia makes no difference from sacrificing any animal, where is the tragedy? Why would Artemis, the goddess, ask for the maiden's sacrifice if she was meaningless to the king? If Agamemnon feels and believes that Iphigenia's life is just like killing a goat because he doesn't feel anything for her, then there would be no dilemma and no trouble in making a decision, there would be no grief and no mourning. What the goddess demands from Agamemnon would be as easy and simple as slaughtering a goat or a bull, so what's the point of Artemis asking anything of Agamemnon? And eventually, why would Artemis bother to save the girl at the last moment if her life was meaningless? When you ignore the original sources and change the story to villanize Agamemnon, you just changed the myth into a thing that no longer makes sense. [Also, the sources themselves say he loved her].

Then, again, the sources don't portray Clytemnestra and Agamemnon being a bad marriage. So, when you villanize Agamemnon and turn him into an abusive husband (who beats, rapes, and mistreats Clytemnestra in every possible way) you're doing two things: a) You're erasing and ignoring the sources that stated just the opposite. b) And, you're ultimately stating that Clytemnestra's motive for killing Agamemnon (Iphigenia's sacrifice) was not enough on its own, and therefore the crime is not justified. Even in the worst version, absolutely made up by Euripides -not canon, not existing before him- where Clytemnestra was married before and Agamemnon killed her husband and baby, EVEN in that version, Clytemnestra says she "reconciled" with him and was a very good wife (Iphigenia in Aulis, 1146).

If for you, the story in the way it was depicted by the ancients is not enough, and you go in to add extra violence, then you're delegitimizing Clytemnestra. You're basically saying that it's not possible that a woman who had a happy family and loved her husband, could become a murderer after her oldest daughter gets sacrificed. According to your logic, more violence and an entire dehumanizing background are needed to explain why she acts the way she does!

I don't like Clytemnestra, but for those who do like her, wasn't her daughter's loss sufficient motive already? Wasn't that enough grieving and trauma?

But no. You need to twist the story and make it go like Agamemnon beat her, raped her constantly, humiliated her, insulted her, and all extra non-sensical mistreating like being buried alive* (and all that was done in public??) because ONLY then, according to you, Clytemnestra would be "justified" to murder her evil husband. Do you see how wrong this is?? How bad it is?? You claim to love your "girl boss Clytemnestra" while unempowering her and diminishing her psychology. 3) And ultimately, it's like failing history lessons. The Iliad is supposed to take place in a historical time when women were meaningful in society. So, depicting Clytemnestra (and Helen) as having a slave-like life is historically inaccurate too.

If people are unable to depict Clytemnestra as a complex character who loved her family and yet did terrible acts after a change of fate, and need to change her story turning her into a victim of domestic violence and sexism so, ONLY then, she will be "justified" to kill Agamemnon, it's saying she was not justified in the first place as the original story goes.

Although this might not be new, the oldest sources (Iliad, Odyssey, Cypria) don't have Iphigenia killed (which was introduced by Aeschylus and later used by Sophocles and Euripides -who, by the way, has different plays that contradict each other on this matter).

If you wanna know which books I'm talking about? Electra by Jennifer Saint, Clytemnestra by Costanza Casati, House of Names by Colm Toibin (*), Ithaca by Claire North, Daughters of Sparta by Claire Heywood, A Thousand Ships by Natalie Haynes, and others.

#every modern retelling I read keeps making me more and more angry #clytemnestra #agamemnon #Like friends one of those books has Agamemnon ordering that Clytemnestra IS BURIED ALIVE for DAYS while they sacrifice Iphigenia #Another book has Agamemnon raping and abusing Clytemnestra or beating her all in public #tw sa #tw rape #tw domestic violence

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agnesandhilda · 23 days

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do you think the time my actual irl father held me at knifepoint is evident in how insane I get about iphigenia's sacrifice and the binding of isaac

#bolo liveblogs #I almost started CRYING about iphigenia's sacrifice while I was reading the oresteia last summer. and I'm not someone who cries often!#like yeah getting stabbed by your dad who doesn't even think he's doing anything wrong. patriarchal violence. who hasn't been there

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this-world-of-beautiful-monsters · 1 year

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the lamb lies down for the knife (the lamb grows teeth to bite)

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meduseld · 10 months

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Something about how Dr. Goodsir is made to butcher bodies in the mutineer camp and about how Iphigenia, among the Taurians, is made to prepare foreign men’s bodies for slaughter, something about how they are cut off from their suffering people and forced into service to killers they despise, something about how the only way to escape means breaking that taboo even further.........

#thoughts! i am thinking them! the lost sacrifices to a lost cause. the dignity in the killing as pushed by another hand. anyway!#the terror #the terror amc #dr goodsir #harry goodsir #iphigenia #the nature of sacrifice and the problem of the unwilling one and godly will..............

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whitegownsandflowercrowns · 8 months

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not gonna lie if it wouldn’t be a pain in the ass for everyone and wouldn’t get her relentlessly bullied I would 100% name my hypothetical future daughter Iphigenia.

#wouldn’t sacrifice her though #also cassiopeia > cassandra #iphigenia #the iliad #greek myth

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bright-thehawksflight · 7 months

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AI-Less Whumptober day 12: sacrifice

Prompt: Sacrifice

Fandom: Ancient Greek Religion & Lore

Summary: You all know the story of how the great king Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter for wind to bring his soldiers home. You may even know the story of how the girl was saved, although those may be no more than stories. Do you know, I wonder, of the mother who had no choice in the matter? The queen who was tricked into sending her eldest, most beloved child off to a lonely death in a strange land? This is her story. A mother's grief turned into a queen's anger turned into a curse of vengeance turned into one of the greatest tragedies of all time. If you're not afraid of stories, have a seat. Have a listen.

@ailesswhumptober

#lisa writes whump #ailesswhumptober2023 #day 12 #sacrifice #iphigenia #agamemnon #clytemnestra #tragedy #ao3 link #ao3 fic #ao3 fanfic #fanfic #fanfiction #hurt no comfort #whump

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godsofhumanity · 1 year

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May I ask why you don't like Artemis and Orion anymore?

uhmm. i read the Aura myth and could find absolutely no reason whatsoever that could possibly excuse Artemis' behaviour. it was just too disgusting, too heartbreaking. and i know that that kind of behaviour isn't unusual in myths.. but this one was just too much. irredeemable for me.

Orion.. it's a similar thing. most of his myths portray him as doing vile things. i guess it finally got to me.

#i feel that Artemis does a lot of cruel cold things a lot of the time.#what happened with Aura. the sacrifice of Iphigenia. Callisto in some myths.#she's supposed to protect girls not be the thing they fear. idk. it's contradictory. i can't make sense of it.#even the Actaeon myth. i always felt that it was an accident that Actaeon stumbled upon Artemis.#to be torn apart by your own dogs. little pups you had raised by hand. who knew your scent. your touch. your call. how horrible. how sad.#some might say that Artemis is cruel because she's the Wild. but idk. it's too much.#anon #anonymous #asks

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marysmirages · 2 years

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