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lemon-natalia · 2 days

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Harrow the Ninth Reaction - Chapter 26

ohh ok, now she’s meeting Corona in her memories … is this the first time that she’s meeting someone in who wasn’t for certain confirmed dead after the events of Canaan House?

welp, not that Harrow got a chance to talk to her at all, the hell Silas

'Is this how it happens then?’ another variation on questioning if this is really how it happened!

uh uh ok guess Silas is gone too now. rip him again?

hmmm… she’s seeing watery blood in the sky. on one hand, this feels like it could be a sign that her fake memories are breaking down, but the other time blood coloured water has been mentioned is earlier in the River, i wonder if there’s any connection there?

#lemon natalia reads the locked tomb #the locked tomb #the locked tomb liveblog #tlt #harrow the ninth

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harrowharks-iliac-crest · 20 days

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Theories Masterpost

[Previously Pinned Post]

Having just about finished my first GtN and HtN rereads, I am brimming with theories! Worldbuilding, characters, plot - so many.

For the sake of convenience, I'll break these up into multiple posts. They will be tagged #tlt theories, and presumably they will multiply and change as I make my way through Nona the Ninth.

Posts are in a queue and will post once a day, to give me time to update all the links and make sure the next post is ready to go out as planned. Once I finish the theory posts I will go straight into my NtN liveblog, which I assume will also be queued for convenience, at least until posts catch up with my reading progress.

Heads up, I have quite a busy time ahead of me so I can't make any promises on how often I'll update. We will see what the future brings.

For now: enjoy! And as ever, please feel free to interact, but no spoilers please!

Worldbuilding/Lore

The Nine Houses

The Resurrection

Necromancy

Lyctorhood

The River

Characters

Gideon Nav

Wake

Cytherea

Harrowhark Nonagesimus

Ianthe, Coronabeth and the Blood of Eden

Camilla and Palamedes

John/God

Alecto

Plot Predictions

General

Who is Nona?

#tlt theories #no nona the ninth spoilers please #tlt liveblog #the locked tomb liveblog #tlt spoilers #the locked tomb #tlt #gideon the ninth #harrow the ninth

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gastlives · 2 years

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Gideon the Ninth (Discord) Liveblog part 1

i got SOME things spoiled by my friends liveblogging on the server too but its ok

act 1 part 1

i found out!!!

bitch why didnt u say smth

i thought it was cool they had style

also im p sure when gideon got her ass beat i was like >:O u hid bones???! wtf

me asking questions

i shoulda done less questioning and more LIVEBLOGGING

i made doodle

#the locked tomb #gideon the ninth #tlt liveblog #the locked tomb liveblog #gideon the ninth liveblog #gtn act 1

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dykenav · 8 months

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Palamedes internally: “okay well you’re DEFINITELY not harrow then. probably not gideon either considering how obsessed she is with herself.”

#SCREAMING at this. come on #(no ntn spoilers plz im liveblogging <3)#ntn #nona the ninth #locked tomb #tlt #griddlehark #gideon nav #harrowhark nonagesimus #palamedes sextus

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no-wings-no-angel · 8 months

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And people have the audacity to say romance is dead

#gideon nav #harrowhark nonagesimus #griddlehark #tlt liveblogging #the locked tomb #gideon the ninth #tlt #mine

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locked-tomb-shenanigans · 2 years

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Oh god if Harrow ever returns to her body she’s gonna die again but this time of embarrassment. Everyone saw her bare face. She constantly held Camilla’s hand. Whoever possessed her kissed Gideon’s corpse because they felt like it. Corona gave her a piggyback ride.

Edit: I’m well aware Harrow’s soul gets returned at the end of the book, this post was part of my liveblog.

#I don’t think I talked about Corona here enough she’s doing so well in this book go off queen #but yeah anyway I think one or two of these things would be enough to do harrow in #never mind all of them #Nona liveblog #ntn spoilers #Nona the ninth spoilers #the locked tomb #tlt #harrowhark nonagesimus #ntn #Nona the ninth

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thechekhov · 8 months

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Nona Liveblog. (1/5)

Because yes, I recorded it all this time.

Warning: THIS LIVEBLOG WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THE WHOLE BOOK. I have finished reading and am posting these notes after the fact. Therefore, it will also contain blurbs about things I missed on my first read. Please be cautious.

Once again, big thank you to @elexuscal for reading my rants and reacting with frustratingly vague emojis~

Spongebob Announcer Voice: They were not thinking hard enough.

Post-Book Thoughts: The frustrating thing is that the clues were THERE. It was in the last part of Harrow that we were given the clues about how it COULD work. And I still didn't-- sigh.

............all this effort, and there was still a hole in my head through which all the information drained.

This is the end of part one! I think the rest I will try to split up into DAYS, since this is the end of DAY 2. Cheers!

#the locked tomb #nona the ninth #nona the ninth spoilers #tlt spoilers #ntn #chekhov reads tlt #chekhov reads ntn #chekhov reads nona #chekhov reads nona the ninth #nona the ninth liveblog

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lemon-natalia · 1 day

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Harrow the Ninth Reaction - Chapter 27

well hello again Ianthe. i personally would be a bit angrier and more grossed out by the unknowing cannibalism, but you do you i suppose

wonderful, its time for an impromptu amputation! sure this can’t go wrong at all

oh shit, Harrow’s making her a new arm! sans flesh i suppose, but Ianthe seems to prefer it. also, if Harrow can grow back bone, it feels strange that the Emperor/other Lyctors didn’t just do that in the first place instead of giving Ianthe a transplant?

and now she’s in tune with Naberius’s … memory? soul? whatever it is, she’s finally in tandem with it

‘i’m going to help you kill the Saint of Duty’ yay, Teamwork makes the dream work i guess?

#lemon natalia reads the locked tomb #the locked tomb liveblog #the locked tomb #tlt #harrow the ninth

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harrowharks-iliac-crest · 12 days

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Cytherea

Characters

<< Previous: Wake | Masterpost

A few things strike me about Cytherea.

First, her personality as described by the other Lyctors (including John) doesn't seem to match what we saw in Canaan House. She was sweet, self-sacrificial, hardworking. Hardly about to spear a teenager through with bone.

There's one section when they're discussing how to take down a Resurrection Beast, this is said:

“Send a Lyctor to penetrate the layer, plant the bomb close up. I’ll do it, if courage fails in the hearts of my elders.” Ortus said, “Tried that,” and Mercy said, “Cytherea was mad for weeks. And I do not mean mad cross, I mean mad insane. She didn’t even touch on the surface.”

Even looking at Resurrection Beasts hurts Lyctors:

It is here! The Resurrection Beast is come! The seventh colossus, brood of that which murdered Cyrus the First, packmate of that which murdered Ulysses the First, the one and the same that Cassiopeia died for. Oh, God, John, sometimes I wish I were capable of dying—I saw it! I saw it, and it is blue like Loveday’s eyes! It knows what you did to its kin, and it sees my cavalier’s mortal soul burning in my chest!”

-Mercy, upon looking at the RB for like a second.

Blue like Loveday's eyes - Cytherea's cavalier. (Neptune?)

We don't know which RB Cytherea tried to get to the centre of. It could have been this one, or another one. She was "mad for weeks". The Resurrection Beasts hunt those that have committed the "indelible sin" of Lyctorhood, most prominently God himself. They impress upon Lyctors the weight of their guilt.

What if Cytherea went too close, saw the weight of her guilt, and went mad from the cognitive dissonance between what she'd been told her entire life, and the deep, universal knowledge that resurrection, Lyctorhood, and basically everything John and the Empire were doing was wrong? What if she came out of that firmly believing in the mission of Blood of Eden, deeply understanding of their inherent bigotry against all necromancers?

How long ago was this? Did it kickstart the cooperation between Lyctors and Eden, or was it already established at this point?

Is this why she turned up at Canaan House, with the aim to kill the would-be new Lyctors?

(Nobody here seems to care about not killing children very much.)

Speaking of, let's talk about some more of the kids. Harrow's next.

>> Next: Harrow

#tlt liveblog #the locked tomb liveblog #tlt spoilers #the locked tomb #tlt #gideon the ninth #harrow the ninth #tlt theories #no nona the ninth spoilers please #cytherea #cytherea the first #cytherea loveday

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jaewul · 27 days

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John I will bite you

#tlt liveblog #tlt #the locked tomb #nona the ninth #nona the ninth spoilers #john gaius #jod

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gastlives · 2 years

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Gideon the Ninth (Discord) Liveblog part 2

act 1 part 2, act 2, act 3 n act 4

act 2 time

ok i was already on act 3 at this point

the non flipped image

i got to act 4...

i was listening to a dramatic ass song during this it felt like 10 hours

also sermon !

#the locked tomb #gideon the ninth #tlt liveblog #the locked tomb liveblog #gideon the ninth liveblog #gtn act 1 #gtn act 2 #gtn act 3 #gtbn act 4

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spacecat-studio · 11 days

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Ok I fell off the Gideon Train because I’ve been horribly ill for the last three days, once again starting from the beginning of chapter fourteen and somehow the last two times I listened to it I totally missed that Ianthe was the person they saw on the way into the laboratory because: Trash Brain, yada yada if you’ve been here before you’ve heard it already. When we left Grumpy Cav Gid and Lady Mean Girl, they were testing out something in the lab (the details, as ever, escape me) and Gideon fought a bone construct, and Harrow discovered she can do some kind of mind magic thing through Gideon which is not disturbing AT ALL considering their relationship so far and then I think they got invited to a dinner? I may be remembering things out of order. Anyway, on with the show. Book. Whatever.

#gideon the ninth #the locked tomb #liveblogging the audio

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artbyblastweave · 1 year

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Gideon The Ninth Liveread, Chapter 18

Teacher’s order at the end of the last chapter to bring the bodies up isn’t followed by a jump cut to the parlor scene, as it easily could have been; instead, we get some insight into the logistics of getting two mutilated corpses and an unresponsive cavalier up a narrow ladder. The physical comedy implied by the process of getting Colum up the ladder is good bathos, but the fact that this takes them over an hour seems salient; whatever boogeyman Teacher was afraid of had over an hour in which to attack prone targets. And it didn’t show up for the hours on end that the houses spent attempting necromantic workings. My inclination is that either Teacher is feigning ignorance in order to scupper the investigation, or Teacher is genuinely afraid of something that still lies dormant and is projecting his longstanding anxieties onto the first blank crisis that presents itself.

Corona is very casually cited as one of the Colum liftees, alongside Gideon, which I feel like reading into a little. A quick runthrough of who’s even left reminded me that Corona actually is one of the most physically capable people remaining at Canaan house- Magnus being dead, Colum being in his state, Pro being attached to Dulcinea at the Hip, the teens being pubescent, Babs being mildly eaten…. Corona is, like, one of the taller/stronger people in the assemblage, right? But this gives off the vibe of a task that you’d assume, from her social butterfly persona, that she’d get someone else to do. And she’s doing it in her nightie, as well. I pegged her and her sister coming down in the skimpy nighties as… not a head game, exactly, but part of their attention to presentation. This is not body-hauling attire. But she switches modes without hesitation, with only one word of textual acknowledgement that she’s the one who knuckled down. She actually spends a good bit of time in this chapter abruptly cutting the bullshit and knuckling down to try and address the situation at hand. I’m starting to like Corona.

The Second House were the ones to run and get Teacher. I’m reiterating my initial read on them; they’re there to keep up with the Joneses, with limited investment in the trial outcome or their own path to ascension through it. The Necro/Cav pair are barely visually delineated from each other, in contrast to basically every other dyad. They are not Of Necromancy, beyond its utility; they are Of The Military. They have limited respect for Teacher’s religious edicts about lines of communication off-world, and while it’s difficult to tell how much stock any of these people put in the theology vs how much they’re going along to get along, it’s telling that they lead the push to undermine the foremost religious authority in deference to military authority.

As an aside, I’m well-versed enough in this series via tumblr osmosis to know that the Emperor is, like, very much all that, and his personal power eclipses and obviates what any other house could hope to bring to the table, so usurpation as a goal is unlikely. Adherence to his religion is less like a matter of doctrine and more like acknowledging the sun’s ongoing contribution to the ecosystem. But inter-house infighting isn’t unheard of; the Eighth has it out for the Ninth, after all. I wonder if we’re witnessing an internal fracture between the military dynasty and the hardline religious elements of the empire; if this attempt by the Second to call things off and bring in reinforcements isn’t JUST a practical plan but is also them finally making the kind of power grab they actually know how to make.

“A Second captain don’t outrank a Third official.” Wait. Is Naberius supposed to have, like, a genteel southern drawl? Also, interesting that this is where Ianthe chooses to intercede on his behalf. “Prince Tern, if you please.” The Third does circle the wagons against outside threats.

Alright, Key ownership rundown. The Sixth has a key, Dulcinea’s gambit using Pro to brute-force check all the doors apparently netted her a key. It turns out that both mine and Harrow’s suspicions were correct; Silas did cue Abigail and Magnus in on the facility, using both the rationale that they aren’t NOT supposed to work together, but also under the rationale that the hated Ninth can’t be allowed to be the only ones with access to the facility. Unfortunate that Harrow does have someone ready and willing to validate her paranoia.

The exchange between Silas and Dulcinea is fascinating. Silas clearly likes Dulcinea; everybody does. When he finds out it was the Seventh Cavalier who put him out, he seemingly takes this in stride, and he’s unwilling to sic Colum on Dulcinea… but he is willing to have Colum duel Pro, which Dulcinea (and Gideon, by extension) gets predictably up in arms about. Dulcinea and Silas run parallel in that they’re both radically reliant on their cavalier to get anything useful done, more so than any other necromancer we’ve seen; Silas requires Colum for soul siphoning and general henchman work, while Dulcinea uses Pro as a caretaker and mobility device. Silas is significantly more, uh, cavalier about imperiling Colum over petty bullshit than Dulcinea is; the charitable read is that Dulcinea’s reliance on Pro gives her a significantly greater appreciation for him. The uncharitable read is that anything happens to Pro, she’s going to be in a pickle; he’s already saved her ass once by putting Silas out, and the crisis has barely started.

Coronabeth puts her foot down; “The Golden Butterfly was gone.” Her rousing speech noticeably gets everybody moving in the direction of productive action- The Second Cav passive-aggressively entertaining Teacher’s theory, Isaac committing to hunting a monster if it exists, with Palamedes putting on the brakes on his enthusiasm with a commitment to a scientific autopsy, an implied deference to Coronabeth’s call for unity, and a (not unreasonable!) entertainment of the possibility there really is a horde of vengeful ghosts in play. He even folds in Harrow and Silas’s dispute by making it clear that collaboration on the murder issue isn’t incompatible with continuing to compete in the lyctor trials. Third House’s hat, so to speak, is that they’re the rulers and governers- but Sixth house were previously mentioned to be the house with policy wonks, and there’s a synergy there! Palamedes knows how to align himself with Corona for maximum productive effect.

Ianthe admits to being in possession of the last key, distressing both Babs (who she took the key from) and Corona, who expected to be privy to this information. Something I find interesting about this is that Ianthe is pretty clearly a Machiavellian operator; if nothing else, she had the key, and kept that fact to herself. But! When it comes down to it, she’s also willing to come clean and put her cards on the table in a crisis situation. She was in the trenches necromancing right along everyone else; there are parallels here be drawn here to her sister’s willingness to drop the butterfly routine in the name of getting the situation under control. On the other hand, it’s also possible that this is a rehearsed ruse; Ianthe, as the obvious evil Twin, publicly taking the fall by positioning herself as the only one from Third House who hypothetically could have had access to the facility at the time of the murders. This is conceivable even if the Third genuinely have nothing to do with it; an implementation of a general strategy they’ve worked out amongst themselves, painting Ianthe as the heel in contrast to the Great Golden Butterfly, establishing the narrative that Coronabeth doesn’t have complete control over what Ianthe does. Campy Wickedness as a cultivated affect, overlaying a subtler, realer scheming nature. “Ianthe is a Vriska,” “Ianthe is Rancid,” all these no-context Ianthe posts have got me going full Charlie Kelly over here.

The meeting adjourns. Palamedes works off Coronabeth’s cue to lead all interested parties to the freezer, including the Second and Seventh houses. Gideon chalks this up to Seventh Houses broadly morbid tendencies, but it also strikes me as likely that Dulcinea might have applicable medical knowledge as an outgrowth of constantly dealing with her condition, or at a minimum could effectively rubber-duck for Pal while he talks out the implications aloud. Second House I’m assuming are along for the ride because they realize they live in a universe where they have to at least begrudgingly entertain the ghost thing, but they want to be in the room concurrently with any autopsy that might reach “ghost murder” as its conclusion, to make sure there’s no funny business going on.

Pal, conspicuously, stops to have a word with Harrow. Harrow is characteristically concerning; her singlemindedness (on display in full force at the end of the chapter!) is poorly suited to such a radical shift in the circumstances. She’s the least willing to change her focus during the meeting beyond what’s necessary to avoid getting fingered as the murderer, and Pal’s word might very well be words of warning or reprobation that he had the tact not to deliver in front of the peanut gallery.

The scene with Silas starting the process of bringing back Colum is interesting; I think that Silas’s utmost confidence in Colum’s ability to make it back is the first time we see any expression of regard from Silas towards his Cav, and while it’s a strong endorsement of Colum’s capabilities, it’s part and parcel with the extent to which Silas is taking Colum for granted. Earlier I drew parallels between the necro/cav dynamics of the Seventh and Eighth houses, but there’s also a strong parallel between the Eighth and Ninth houses- each with a zealous, thoroughly stick-assed Necromancer , each of whom are paired at the hip with a Cav with a stoic demeanor and a frosty-and-best attitude towards their Necro. This line of thought is causing me to re-evaluate the lens through which Gideon has been assessing Eighth house; no Necro/Cav pairing is remotely Normal About It, but Eighth and Ninth have some parallels in their dysfunction. The key difference being that Silas routinely, habitually makes use of his Cav, and Gideon’s beef with Harrow is at least partly informed by the fact that, up until very recently, Harrow gave her absolutely no opportunity to be of use. Colum represents the path not taken, the grass that’s greener, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Gideon pays so much attention to the Colum situation right before Harrow shows up to drag her off towards another once-longed-for stint as an accomplice. Is Harrow’s attention an improvement in her circumstances, or has she this whole time unwittingly been dodging Colum’s sorry lot?

The sequence with Jeannemary is heartbreaking. They’ve hit the hero-worship beat a couple times now, the idea that she’s looking up to/admiring/(crushing on?) Gideon. It’s interesting that the “Bad Teen,” up till now an irksome background presence, is the one to finally break Gideon’s composure in a semi-public, not-technically-a-live-emergency setting- quietly and quickly enough that the illusion is probably still largely intact, but it’s a significant break! Also significant is Jeannemary’s insight into a suspicious detail nobody else seems to have touched on in the meeting; Abigail specialized in Ghost magic. Jeannemary’s love of Abigail means that her awareness of this fact cashes out as a belief that Abigail should have been able to defeat a ghostly threat regardless of magnitude. But the unstated second truth is that whoever or whatever killed Abigail, simultaneously got rid of the necromancer best suited to the necromantic forensic work everyone else was struggling with in the last chapter. This doesn’t feel like a coincidence.

Harrow’s barreling forward on the heels of Colum’s return to the land of the living feels like a great for-want-of-a-nail moment, and another example of Harrow’s too-clever-by-half tendencies snipping a thread that she really, really should have followed up on. Jeannemary has an important insight here! If Colum had been seventeen minutes late instead of fifteen, Harrow might have limped into the middle of a very illuminating exchange.

In closing, I’m pretty sure we’re looking at two memes in one here. Harrow’s “I’m sick of these people” bit reads to me like a reference to Dr. Manhattan’s, “I tire of Earth. These people” monologue and the resultant meme panel. “An admirable attempt at comedy in these trying times” reads like a reference to the Egg bit from It’s Always Sunny. Bonus points because the specific Dr. Manhattan line that I believe is being referenced here comes during his myopic dark night of the soul, where he’s conflating his own depression with the true meaning of the universe and letting his heartfelt belief that he already knows everything important blinker him to some important fucking details he hasn’t noticed. Just like how Harrow is overlooking potentially massively important information in her rush to capitalize on her perceived information advantage. Assuming I’m correct that this is a reference and not just random apophenia, this is, like, sliding past the point of mere pop-cultural meme reference into the realm of meaningful literary allusion. Which is a real good way to integrate your meme references! Nothing there just to convey that you’re hip and with it, everything acting as a character beat or a thematic vector. I’m going to go right ahead and adopt a hardline policy of treating every apparent meme reference as an indicator of deliberate thematic depth, and there is absolutely no way that this might potentially cause me to spill over 500 words of ink over something that just turns out to be a vaguely similar sentence construction to another work.

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locked-tomb-shenanigans · 2 years

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Harrow’s failing body being carried into the tomb surrounded by a procession of every person she’s ever cared about that’s still around in some form is making me feel so many things at once 😭😭😭

#harrow hates herself so much but she has a lot of people who care about her actually. and that’s like. genuinely so important #Nona liveblog #ntn spoilers #Nona the ninth spoilers #the locked tomb #tlt #harrowhark nonagesimus #ntn #Nona the ninth

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