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conflictofthemind · 10 hours

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Thoughts on "Escape from Camazotz"

Oppressive Suburbia, Conformity, and Season 5 Themes

I've long thought that a major focus of Season 5 will be the contrast between the families of The Wheelers and The Byers, and exploring how non-traditional family environments can be freeing vs the oppressive structure of the nuclear family.

In a Wrinkle In Time, Camazotz is a planet controlled by the big bad of the book, the "IT", who forces the citizens into a conformity that resembles American suburbia. All of the houses the same, the citizens the same, doing the same things at the same time without individual identity. Without anything different. Different means a lot of things, but with Stranger Things dropping different in reference to Will's identity and the presumable themes of this season, it will heavily codify as queerness and how it threatens the cisheterosexual family model.

Henry was raised in the 1950s, a decade still revered by conservatives for it's traditional family dynamics that supposedly were the peak of culture and happiness for all. That was all a lie, of course, and Henry knew so as he shows to Nancy and Eleven during his monologue. The second most conservative decade aside from the 1950s in American society is widely considered to be the 1980s.

The Creels will serve in parallel to The Wheelers; the worst example of what they could become and the damage that this type of family could do to a child that is different in any way. Notice how Vecna selectively shows Nancy visions of The Wheelers dying, but not anyone else she may consider family or friends (like Jonathan).

That is; unless they change their ways and come together as a healthy functioning family facing their traumas, The Wheelers will be toast.

Karen has been moved up to a main character role this season. Ted's actor says the father starts to show up more for Holly (hold that) and realizes he wants to act differently. Holly has been recast. Finn has said Mike goes on a much more personal journey this season, and steps up as a leader.

Oh, also: the catalyst for all of this is that Holly goes missing. The contrast will help show how the Byers (including El and Hopper here) were able to pull together and help solve Will's disappearance, versus how the Wheelers as a closed off nuclear family grapple with Holly's vanishing.

Each of the Byers is in some kind of a non-1950s conformist relationship, but particularly Will (not in one now but we all know he will be). I think El might represent, after she breaks up with Mike, the fear of the unmarried woman being satisfied without a husband. The above shot really emphasizes my point.

I predict that Will will end up coming out to his family rather early on, and we will see all of them immediately accept him with little surprise or push-back. Will is a visible gay man who comes from an open minded non traditional family (divorced, non-married, adoptive) that is willing to have honest conversations.

But this theme will place the most focus on the Wheelers. Mike is the main character of said family and this will particularly focus on his arc, and his acceptance of his queerness in the midst of suburban conformity.

He is not visible, he comes from a Reagan-supporting family who don't communicate with each other. He is not particularly close with his family like Will is. He pushes his feelings down and tries his damn hardest to be normal despite it all. His trauma hasn't really been addressed at all. He is falling back into his usual habits - the one thing he dared to do different (grow his hair long) has gone back to how it was.

It's not all doom and gloom though. This season above all will be a redemption arc of the American nuclear family, how they choose to escape their conformity and learn to be there for each other, thus overpowering Vecna. Not that the Wheelers are going to end this personally.

"Great, more hysteria. Just what we need". "It's the news, now indistinguishable from the tabloids".

#stranger things #mike wheeler #the wheelers #the byers family #byler #will byers #st5 speculation #henry creel #the specificity of this title alone and the themes gives me no doubt that these are all real #i also think this is the episode where byler is canonized and where mike finally escapes conformity #holly wheeler #ted wheeler #karen wheeler #i didnt really mention nancy at all sorry girl #if youre reading this PLEASE search up my username on youtube you will find it SO RELEVANT

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kittykat940 · 2 days

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Why would you do this to me 😭 I need more sibling moments between them in s5 please duffer brothers 🙏

#stranger things #willel #the byers family #will byers #el hopper #jonathan byers

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ikarakie · 1 year

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one day in california someone asks el if her and will are twins and she just fucking explodes. she loves the idea. yes, absolutely she and will are twins, what a fantastic concept, thank you. she announces that night at dinner: "me and will are twins now." and instead of trying to explain that's just... not how it works, the byers' are all like: "yeah, okay. cool."

it does, however, confuse the party and hopper when the byers' move back to hawkins. because suddenly el is looping her arm with will's and claiming 'twin telepathy' or that she gets dibs on will with any team based game because 'we are twins, you are not allowed to seperate us.'

(will loves it too. acts like it's always been this way, looking at their friends with fake confusion and asking: what? how did you forget about me having a whole twin sister? gosh, guys, do you really pay attention to us that little? you move away for one year and suddenly people forget such basic info about you... meanwhile el just nods along and tells them off as well.)

#theyre fucking menaces #and i love them #stranger things #prompt #stranger things prompt #wonder twins #the byers family #will and el #el and will #el hopper #el byers #will byers #stranger things headcanons #stranger things hc #el headcanon #the party #imagine

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coldninjaruins-blog · 2 years

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"Mom is coming"

They were meant to be siblings.

#I'M—#will byers #eleven hopper #jane hopper #willel #stranger things #the byers family #the byers siblings #byler

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bibylers · 2 months

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All the mileven shippers saying Will hates El are literally so wrong.

In the vr game we get to know that Will doesn’t want to meet El.

I’m sorry but like- wasn’t it obvious?

I believe Will definitely had a crush on Mike in s2 already, maybe not as aware of it as in s4, but there was definitely a crush.

Imagine having a crush on your best friend and then finding out after going missing for a week, your best friend has met someone new and is now talking about her all the time. Wouldn’t that make you jealous?

Of course Will didn’t want to meet El at first, since the first impression he got of her is this:

El is someone Mike has a huge crush on, and would definitely take Will’s spot in Mike’s heart. (obviously not but ofc Will is going to think this)

Later on in the series Will has fallen in love with Mike, so of course he’s going to be even more jealous of El, but doesn’t let that get in the way of their friendship. Will and El are siblings and care about each other SOOO MUCH.

I think Mileven shippers should understand that jealousy does not equal hate.

You can be jealous of your best friend, or sibling, or anyone really, and it doesn’t automatically mean you hate them.

That’s all I had to say thank you very much 😌

#byler #anti mileven #platonic elmike #willel #the byers family #will byers #mike wheeler #stranger things #byler tumblr #byler endgame

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mike-el · 2 years

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jonathan running to help el → 3x08 | 4x03

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fireplceashes · 1 year

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“Almost dads getting their almost children to open up” a remake of this gifset

↳ requested by @willel

if you wanna request a gifset please message me or send me an ask :)

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lunabug2004 · 2 months

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I genuinely think the Zombie Boy conversation bt Will and Jonathan in s2e1 is one of my favorites in the whole show. It’s just so wholesome and true. Like “nobody normal ever accomplished anything meaningful in this world” is one of the best lines in the whole show. And then them laughing at Bob together at the end is just the cutest thing ever!!! I love the whole scene so much 🥺🥺🥺

#just jon and will being the only siblings ever #stranger things #will byers #jonathan byers #the byers family #stranger things 2 #zombie boy #byler #<— target audience #Jay’s saying stuff :)#Jay's talking ST <3

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will80sbyers · 1 month

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STRANGER THINGS Chapter One: The Vanishing of Will Byers

#will byers #stranger things #joyce byers #the byers #the byers family #joyce and will #stedit #strangerthingsedit #st1 #st 1x01 #flashbacks #william byers #will80sbyersgifs

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anironnn · 2 years

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Baby Will clinging to baby Jonathan🥲🥲🥲

#stranger things #the byers family #will byers #johnathan byers #joyce byers #byler

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musicalchaos07 · 10 months

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The Byers Brothers

Chapter 1: The Vanishing of Will Byers/Song of the Insensible, Andrew Kozma/ Rule #4 , Fish in a Birdcage/ Chapter 2: The Weirdo on Maple Street/Chapter 8: The Mind Flayer/ He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother, The Hollies/ Chapter 8: The Battle of Starcourt/ Tumblr User: bookwyrminspiration/ Chapter 9: The Piggyback/ TikTok User: blaineunderstudy/ East of Eden, John Steinbeck/ Chapter 9: The Piggyback

#I decided I wasn't done being sad #so now we all suffer #anyways if anything happens to them I'm gonna burn netflix to the ground #stranger things #byers brothers #the byers family #jonathan byers #will byers #jonwill #web weaving

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kittykat940 · 29 days

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I'm so tired of these people are they really fans of this show because they are not paying attention at all lol

#byler #< target audience #stranger things #will byers #el hopper #jonathan byers #the byers family

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ikarakie · 1 year

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will one day accidentally calls hop 'pop', like totally by accident. not even in the way of calling ur teacher dad, but because hop sounds like pop and will got his words mixed around.

and hopper just. pauses mid sip of his coffee. will is frozen in his spot because it does not escape him what he basically just did and he kind of wants to cry cause he does see hopper as a father figure but didn't want to, like, make things awkward.

but it's all okay. because hopper just shrugs and says: "i mean, i'd prefer something like dad. or old man. but whatever works for you, kid." and he has to hide his smile behind his mug, and will has to cover his with his hand after he recovers from the shock. (neither works)

#will is like 'i think id prefer dad too actually' and hopper gives him a big old hug #the byers mean so much to me #happy birthday will heres a father as a gift #will byers #jim hopper #will and hopper #stranger things #stranger things prompt #the byers family #will byers birthday #dad hopper #found family

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coldninjaruins-blog · 1 year

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