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one-black-rotary-phone · 7 months

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"Would You Still Like Me if I Was a Worm?"

Stupid headcanons on the boys (+ Gwen). Platonic.

No TWs.

Griffin

"No."

He's joking around with you. If you're going to ask a silly question like that, you'll get a silly answer. He's says it with a giggle that turns into a laugh.

Billy

"What?"

He doesn't get it. Why would you ask him that out of the blue? Billy's a boy of refined humor (bad puns), so this plebeian nonsense is just a waste of time to him.

Vance

"No."

More serious than Griffin. He doesn't laugh when he says it. You're probably bothering him when he's doing something. If you're not, he's just saying it so he doesn't have to think about how absurd that it.

Bruce

"Yeah."

He says it in a chill way. He doesn't understand the question at all, but you're someone he cares about, so he'll say yeah. Then he figures you might be feeling insecure, so he asks if you're okay.

Robin

"Sure, I guess."

Depending on when you ask him, he's either too busy to care or just too confused to care. Like Vance, he's just trying to move past the question. But unlike Vance, he'll laugh when he replies.

Finney

"What?"

Does not understand the joke at all. He's so confused and just turns to you with the most puzzled expression ever. Why would you even ask that? What's he supposed to say?

Gwen

"Yeah, right."

She's sick of your nonsense. Sometimes she's in the mood for a joke, but those are usually of a different, more funny kind (in her opinion). She just wants what she needs to get done, done.

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kookidough · 5 days

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analysing vance hopper because he lives in my head 24/7 !

tw for like. literally everything the black phone covers!!!!!!

also there's some special effects gore rather far down in the post idk just i feel like i should warn you just in case

okay so before anyones like "but bee!!!! he only had 6 minutes of screen time in a 102 minute long movie!!!!! he was only on screen for 5.8% of the movie!!!!!" and to that i say i Know it was a real tragedy so a lot of this will be built on personal interpretation and subtext and stuff said behind the scenes and whatnot

so firstly i wanna rot about what his childhood/upbringing might've been like..... i havent quite decided on something definitive but i think we can take one look at his character and realise that is glaringly obvious he had a bad childhood, in one interview the actor that plays him (brady hepner) says "the background i had set up for vance is that the reason he was the way he was is his home life was fairly difficult, you know maybe his dad was either not there for him or he wasn't supportive, maybe he was fairly abusive, and so that creates a hair trigger sense of rage in vance" hair trigger meaning his patience is literally as thin as a strand of hair it does Not take a lot for him to snap

there more to it after that which i'll get into soon but yea thats the gist of it it's clear he had absent/neglectful/abusive parents and that would certainly contribute to why he's so angry all the time, maybe acting so explosive was the only way to get his parents' attention, either good or bad, so he just internalised that. obviously rage and anger issues like vance's lead to violence (not in all cases but in his case it does) and i think a neglectful and abusive upbringing would obviously expose him to more violence than a normal childhood would, therefore normalising it and desensitising him to it, whether he's seeing it play out in his own home and/or on television or something like that (because i doubt his parents would be the kind to monitor what content he's viewing)

i feel like he has little control over his life and that only adds to his anger, which in his case leads to a fight when his buttons are pushed too many times. i think he probably takes great pride in being the toughest in town and whatnot and winning fights and being perceived as strong and scary is good to him and helps him regain control/power, something he doesnt have at home. the rest of the quote from the interview i mentioned earlier states "this pinball machine could have been the only thing that he has in his heart that's like, good, like 'holy cow i did this, i set the score,' so when someone comes along and messes it up for him, it takes away the only thing that he has. i think that that's when he switches to a 'now you're gonna pay for that'"

similar to what i said about fighting, the pinball machine and his high score is something he has control over and its an important part of his reputation/image like. hes literally pinball vance ! and the whole thing about that high score being the "only thing he has in his heart that's good" implies that hes. well. pretty shit at everything else, which is pretty much canon if you remember that gwen said vance was held back twice in school. makes me think that while he's not the brightest in school he's certainly street smart

moving onto ermmmmm him getting kidnapped era because im sure youre wondering "well bee if he's so street smart then why did he get kidnapped" so may i raise two theories (this is. literally all i got and its not even concrete, me and my friend gray (@staggersz) tried to figure out how this could even happen and this is the most plausible thing we've got. so shoutout to him real quick he has had to deal with me being unnormal about vance for like a year and a half thanks king couldnt have done all this without my rotting buddy)

so either he got taken by surprise (most likely option) or vance's trust was gained first via getting given quarters at the pinball machine and small talk and shit like that but this is unlikely because i feel like it'd take a loooooong time for someone like vance to trust a some random stranger adult man when he clearly has issues with trusting and respecting people older than him and people with authority (e.g. cops, his parents, or school officials) so yea being taken by surprise would probably be the most realistic option, i always see people on tiktok being like "how did the grabber kidnap vance hes so strong!!!!" dude its a 15 year old boy against like. a 45 year old man who's already claimed two lives its really not gonna be a fair fight here

before i get into the next part i wanna quickly address a theory i absolutely Hate and it is so easily disproven and that is the theory that vance is the grabber's son or is related to him in some other way and i see it Far too often on tiktok and i HATE it. from what ive seen this all stems from his dream sequence where he kicks open the fence to albert's house and, presumably, goes inside after being dropped off by the police after the grab n go fight. idk if some people just straight up didnt realise this but clearly in real life he is going to his Own House??? in the dream it's only albert's house because this is how he chooses to show gwen the house she's trying to find her brother in, the house that he himself was killed in??? i hate the theory i hate it sm

the dream sequence itself is interesting though as the ghosts seem to only be able to conjure up what theyve seen in real life (like how bruce can picture the outside of the house and show that to gwen but the house number is all flipped and not right beause he doesnt know it) so vance being able to picture the house and the number and the gate and every detail would imply that hes seen it before, but im going to explain that away as either he got out once before like with finney's failed escape attempt, or the house is most likely on the route he walks to school or the grab n go or something and he hasnt actually been there prior to being kidnapped

mini rant over now onto being kidnapped i guess, so i used the missing posters to try and estimate a timeline of how long each ghost boy would've been in the basement for (although the missing posters are notoriously unreliable for details such as looks/height/age/etc, the dates seem to all line up). so we know the order is griffin, billy, vance, bruce, robin, finney, right?? if we use the poster date then billy was taken on may 4th, 1976, a month and two days after griffin was taken (april 2nd 1976). vance was taken on september 23rd 1977, almost a full year later (stay with me im going somewhere with this), and after that bruce was taken on july 18th 1978, again almost a full year later

its established in the movie that the grabber stalks his victims before he takes them (canon because we literally see the van watching finney and gwen as they walk home from school early on in the movie) but we dont know how long he does this for since griffin/billy and robin/finney were taken such short distances apart and then the others were taken such long distances apart, also it's possible he could stalk his next victim while the previous one is still alive, etc etc lots of confusing factors, but if i've done the maths right then the absolute maximum time vance could've spent down there is 9 months and 25 days, or 298 days, so erm . let that sink in !

howeverrrr in the movie gwen states that vance went missing "last spring" and september is definitely not in spring, meaning he could've been down there for a year or even longer. an explanation or excuse i could think of for the movie and the missing poster saying different things (other than the missing posters being known for some areas being wildly inaccurate) is that maybe he was taken in spring but wasnt labelled as officially missing until september, when he was properly linked to griffin and billy's similar disappearances and the mysterious grabber? i can imagine it'd be very easy for law enforcement, especially in the 70s, to dismiss someone like vance as a runaway until they get solid evidence that he was taken. idk though thats just my personal excuse / angsty headcanon for the difference in information

not sure what exactly killed him but we do hear from vance himself that "he took his time with me" so it was probably blood loss from a variety of injuries, if we look at him in his ghost scenes we can see his hair is absolutely covered in blood which indicates head injury, he clearly has a broken nose and bruising around his eyes as a result of it, he has these deep cuts on his abdomen area (apologies for the image quality but i believe they're like. sfx pieces you would wear under clothing)

and he also has just like. minor bruising (like the fingerprints on his arm) and other random blood splatters on his face and neck (assuming the blood down his neck comes from wherever he was bleeding on his head) so Yeah overall very unpleasant way to die obviously

okay now the part thats actually in the movie and it only took me 13 paragraphs to get here: vance as a ghost!! first thing i wanna point out is appearance wise i just want to say that when he's a ghost he's missing his choker and that fact Pains me. anyway personality-wise i feel like being violently murdered has, understandably, kicked his rage up to like. the highest level it could possibly go. he's insanely snarky and downright rude to finney on the phone, showing no empathy to the fact that finney is literally in the exact situation he was in

i feel like the whole "this is the nightmare end of your pathetic little life" and "if you knew what you had coming, you'd be fucking terrified" thing is definitely to scare finney on purpose and to get him to do something, vance might as well have just told him he's never going home cuz thats how it came across LMAOO, it is startling though because vance is clearly speaking from experience, that he was literally fucking terrified, and he is warning finney in his own weird way

the thing i think sets vance apart from the other ghosts is that while he does help finney, he does it for a different reason than they do. the other ghosts want finney to escape, to get out, to be free, to live, but personally i dont think vance cares about that. the only thing he wants is for albert shaw to be dead, for someone to seek vengeance, to do what vance couldn't. vance doesn't care if it's bruce or robin or finney or whatever boy could've come after that, he doesnt care as long as that man gets what he deserves after what he put vance through, and i see this through the scene at the end of vance's call where finney thanks him for his help and vance says, and i quote, "helping you? this isn't about you, fuck him! and apologies for being repetitive but to me it just literally proves that to vance, this isnt about finney or his escape, its just about revenge

we dont get to find out what happens to the ghosts once the credits have rolled, and i dont think we quite know enough about tbp's version of ghosts to guess what theyre up to, but i have a few theories :3 maybe theyre no longer bound to those two houses and they can now go anywhere they want in town? or maybe since their shared goal of stopping albert has been achieved, the ghosts can finally pass on to whatever is waiting for them next. i dont think vance would be content to pass on that quickly or easily as anger lingers, but i hope he'd be able to let go of it eventually, and hey we might find out in the sequel. i pray it mentions him cuz i will just die if it doesnt

sometimes, ok thats a lie, frequently i think about an au where he survived or escaped or whatever but ohhhh boy this post is already a train wreck so that au would deserve its own essay of a post :3 if u actually genuinely read this far then Wtf thanks for reading the ramblings of an absolute madman, only pure delusion could get like 20 paragraphs about a guy with 6 minutes screentime but hey thats how i roll, thanks again to my pal gray for letting me rot and thank u to my other pal ana for also enduring all this rot

hope u enjoyed my interpretation of vance hopper im going to crawl in a hole now and probably brainrot some more, thanks again for ur time :3

#the black phone #tbp #tbp vance #vance hopper #character analysis #i literally rotted my entire brain for this one #normally i hate when ppl tag characters in a post that isnt really about them im gonna tag the other characters cuz i do mention them quite #a few times so apologies to ppl that are fans of anyone that isnt vance this post is Vance Centric #tbp robin #robin arellano #tbp finney #finney blake #tbp griffin #griffin stagg #tbp billy #billy showalter #tbp bruce #bruce yamada #tbp gwen #gwen blake #the grabber #albert shaw #the black phone 2022 #i am the number 1 vance hopper fan and this proves it #if vance has 100 fans im one of them. if vance has 10 fans im one of them. if vance has 1 fan its me. if vance has no fans im dead.#sorry to everyone that followed me for total drama content i have an absolute disease for this movie and this guy #back to regularly scheduled content soon trust #not expecting this to do numbers cuz theres actually only like 4 tbp fans on earth but had to let two years worth #of absolute brainrot for this movie that has like. barely any merch and only the slightest scraps of fan content #i stayed up all night writing this

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ghostywispe · 2 months

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obsessed w gwen's dreams. someone pointed this out and kind of why griffin doesn't have one but i forgot who. bruce, who's the towns golden boy, everybody knows him. people have known him since he was young, this isn't anything new. but, since people have known him, thats what gwen's dream is. stuff about him. but its also mainly baseball, which is something else he's known for. people know he plays baseball, im sure thats a reason he became popular. gwen's dream about vance? him fighting and the cops having to come get him. thats what he's known for in town, so thats what her dream his. and billy's, who's on his paper route. he's s the paperboy and its how he's defined, so much that its one of the only things he knows after he dies. he delivered newspapers. griffin doesn't get one because people didn't know him. his life's a mystery. finney is only in one where he's begging to get out because that's what gwen needs to know. he's fighting for it and she just needs to know where he is.

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dogguq · 7 months

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I love the hc of them treating each other like siblings

#the black phone #art #fanart #tbp fanart #billy showalter #griffin stagg #tbp billy #tbp griffin

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doodlejoyy · 7 months

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Banks got so tall omg😭😭 I wonder if he’s taller than Miguel..

#the black phone #banks repeta #brady hepner #jacob moran #billy showalter #griffin stagg #vance hopper #tbp headcanons #tbp vance #tbp billy #tbp griffin #haunted house #halloween #fypage

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bittersweet-honeysuckle · 1 year

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Me (my friend passed away, i rewatched the black phone, I miss my ex, I don’t know what my sexuality is, and I don’t know what the fuck I want to do with my life after high-school)

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one-black-rotary-phone · 6 months

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The Black Phone Crew at the Fair

Hey, @madokasredribbons, this one's for you!

Tw: Bullying, kidnapping

Griffin

The boy who sparked this post! Griffin would love fairs/shows. As my mutual said, he would beg his mother every day to go to the fair when it's in town. When he does go, he has the time of his life. He loves all the food you can get. Although I think he'd like to go on the more extreme rides one day, I doubt he'd be allowed and would just go on the tame ones. Still has a blast! He loves the animals.

Billy

Billy would like the fair, yeah. He'd probably try and go on the extreme rides and would have a lot of fun. I bet he likes the giant swings. He'd also like the food, and I think he'd have an iron stomach in the sense that rides wouldn't make him sick. Probably buys a corn-dog and goes to the petting zoo.

Vance

I think Vance would like parts of the fair. He'd like the rides and the food. But I don't think he'd like the noise and crowds so much. It can get really annoying, as with the lines to get anything. He goes for his sister, though (I hc he has a younger sister for those who don't know), and although he'd hate being seen on a teacups ride, he'd begrudgingly get on with her if nobody else would.

Bruce

Bruce I think would like the fairs. I do think he enjoys some of the "classic American" things like fairs and baseball (I mean, he obviously enjoys baseball). Mostly based on him doing the pledge in Gwen's dream. I do think he was also just raised that way by school and media. Anyway, he'd enjoy the tamer rides and getting some food. He does not have an iron stomach, though, and has to go on the rides first.

Robin

Robin I think would prefer other things over fairs. He'd like seeing the animals and whatnot and going on some rides but he really doesn't stay long. He usually only goes with family, though, so that probably contributes to that. Being stuck with only your mother and uncle can be boring at times. He doesn't hate it, but definitely doesn't love it.

Finney

Finney's meh about fairs. Like Vance, he likes the rides and food but not the noise and people. If this is after the events of the movie, he'd hate them even more because of how easy it is to disappear into the crowd. He'd also have to avoid his bullies sometimes. If they spot him it's game over. He does still like getting chips and curly potatoes, though.

Gwen

Gwen probably doesn't like fairs. They're too busy and noisy and generally not her taste. The only thing I imagine her really liking is a rodeo. She'd really enjoy watching those. But other than that, she'd prefer going to something else. Like, you know you can set off fireworks somewhere else, right? Yeah, it might be illegal, but it's a hell of a lot nicer (this is a joke).

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iennoganan-aha · 4 months

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Drawing comfort characters as this meme:

First post of 2024, thats crazy- anyways. Obito, Billy Showalter and Kaidou thank you for being the pillars of my mental health, i owe it all to you ‼️‼️

My comfort characters wild, an autistic kid a dead kid and a war criminal

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ghostywispe · 6 months

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In modern day, tbp boys go to see the fnaf movie, and steal the fnaf poster board while security chases them. (I can confirm I was Finney’s left sneaker)

vance shoves one in griffins hands and griffin shoves it down his shirt

#ghostlychats #the black phone #finney blake #tbp finney #finney the black phone #billy showalter #tbp billy #robin arellano #robin tbp #bruce yamada #tbp bruce #griffin stagg #tbp griffin #griffin tbp #vance hopper #tbp vance #pinball vance #letters<3

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nympippi · 1 year

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Lastly!! Is Billy Showalter PaperBoy, he’s snarky and kinda sarcastic but damn that boy can deliver newspapers!

(Also, I read on his missing poster that he was blond and though it was the blood/ darkness of the basement that made his hair dark but after I finished everything, and looked back at the alive photos of P.B. I realized it was more brownish so in the future P.B. Will have more brownish hair! )

But P.B.!!! In this au PB is snarky and kind of sarcastic about a lot of things, he’s still a paperboy though, a paperboy who refuses to go on runs alone but a paperboy nonetheless.

In this PB kept his jacket from his murder, they got it dry cleaned and everything but they couldn’t fix the tears in the fabric so Finn mended them, putting a little “Showalter” and a “Denver Zephyr’s” because PB though it would be cool to have. Also because I think PB would also really like sports, because I headcannon his dad to be a sports fan and so by proxy he is!

PB in general is kinda sporty and active, using physical activity like running and riding his bike in no particular place other than to feel his legs get tired, it distracts him. I also think PB is a really good hunter and has shot himself a few deer and is very proud of it!

PB, also is self conscious of his scars since his, like Bruce, scared his cheek and upper neck. He tries to cover it with his hair but sometimes he can’t help but want to cover himself all together. PB also cannot stand to wear belts, he hates them, can’t even stand the sight of them. They make him fidgety and more likely to trigger his fight or flight, which is why a lot of the boys undo their shirts if he’s around.

I haven’t really though much of Billy but I think he’d get along best with Finn and Bruce because he can relate to them with sports.

#pippi art #the black phone fandom #the black phone #the black phone fanart #necromancer finney au #billy showalter #tbp billy #tbp paperboy #he gets very uncomfortable with anyone calling him Billy so the boys stick to PB or paperboy #I also think PB would find Gwen hilarious. simply because of how snarky and the take no shit attitude she has #but yeah I don’t really have a lot to think about on PB other than he’s a major sports fan who is a little mean spirited

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