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GUYS GO READ MY FRIENDS VANCE BRAINROT ITS WORTH IT!!! :3
analysing vance hopper because he lives in my head 24/7 !
tw for like. literally everything the black phone covers!!!!!!
also there's some special effects gore rather far down in the post idk just i feel like i should warn you just in case
okay so before anyones like "but bee!!!! he only had 6 minutes of screen time in a 102 minute long movie!!!!! he was only on screen for 5.8% of the movie!!!!!" and to that i say i Know it was a real tragedy so a lot of this will be built on personal interpretation and subtext and stuff said behind the scenes and whatnot
so firstly i wanna rot about what his childhood/upbringing might've been like..... i havent quite decided on something definitive but i think we can take one look at his character and realise that is glaringly obvious he had a bad childhood, in one interview the actor that plays him (brady hepner) says "the background i had set up for vance is that the reason he was the way he was is his home life was fairly difficult, you know maybe his dad was either not there for him or he wasn't supportive, maybe he was fairly abusive, and so that creates a hair trigger sense of rage in vance" hair trigger meaning his patience is literally as thin as a strand of hair it does Not take a lot for him to snap
there more to it after that which i'll get into soon but yea thats the gist of it it's clear he had absent/neglectful/abusive parents and that would certainly contribute to why he's so angry all the time, maybe acting so explosive was the only way to get his parents' attention, either good or bad, so he just internalised that. obviously rage and anger issues like vance's lead to violence (not in all cases but in his case it does) and i think a neglectful and abusive upbringing would obviously expose him to more violence than a normal childhood would, therefore normalising it and desensitising him to it, whether he's seeing it play out in his own home and/or on television or something like that (because i doubt his parents would be the kind to monitor what content he's viewing)
i feel like he has little control over his life and that only adds to his anger, which in his case leads to a fight when his buttons are pushed too many times. i think he probably takes great pride in being the toughest in town and whatnot and winning fights and being perceived as strong and scary is good to him and helps him regain control/power, something he doesnt have at home. the rest of the quote from the interview i mentioned earlier states "this pinball machine could have been the only thing that he has in his heart that's like, good, like 'holy cow i did this, i set the score,' so when someone comes along and messes it up for him, it takes away the only thing that he has. i think that that's when he switches to a 'now you're gonna pay for that'"
similar to what i said about fighting, the pinball machine and his high score is something he has control over and its an important part of his reputation/image like. hes literally pinball vance ! and the whole thing about that high score being the "only thing he has in his heart that's good" implies that hes. well. pretty shit at everything else, which is pretty much canon if you remember that gwen said vance was held back twice in school. makes me think that while he's not the brightest in school he's certainly street smart
moving onto ermmmmm him getting kidnapped era because im sure youre wondering "well bee if he's so street smart then why did he get kidnapped" so may i raise two theories (this is. literally all i got and its not even concrete, me and my friend gray (@staggersz) tried to figure out how this could even happen and this is the most plausible thing we've got. so shoutout to him real quick he has had to deal with me being unnormal about vance for like a year and a half thanks king couldnt have done all this without my rotting buddy)
so either he got taken by surprise (most likely option) or vance's trust was gained first via getting given quarters at the pinball machine and small talk and shit like that but this is unlikely because i feel like it'd take a loooooong time for someone like vance to trust a some random stranger adult man when he clearly has issues with trusting and respecting people older than him and people with authority (e.g. cops, his parents, or school officials) so yea being taken by surprise would probably be the most realistic option, i always see people on tiktok being like "how did the grabber kidnap vance hes so strong!!!!" dude its a 15 year old boy against like. a 45 year old man who's already claimed two lives its really not gonna be a fair fight here
before i get into the next part i wanna quickly address a theory i absolutely Hate and it is so easily disproven and that is the theory that vance is the grabber's son or is related to him in some other way and i see it Far too often on tiktok and i HATE it. from what ive seen this all stems from his dream sequence where he kicks open the fence to albert's house and, presumably, goes inside after being dropped off by the police after the grab n go fight. idk if some people just straight up didnt realise this but clearly in real life he is going to his Own House??? in the dream it's only albert's house because this is how he chooses to show gwen the house she's trying to find her brother in, the house that he himself was killed in??? i hate the theory i hate it sm
the dream sequence itself is interesting though as the ghosts seem to only be able to conjure up what theyve seen in real life (like how bruce can picture the outside of the house and show that to gwen but the house number is all flipped and not right beause he doesnt know it) so vance being able to picture the house and the number and the gate and every detail would imply that hes seen it before, but im going to explain that away as either he got out once before like with finney's failed escape attempt, or the house is most likely on the route he walks to school or the grab n go or something and he hasnt actually been there prior to being kidnapped
mini rant over now onto being kidnapped i guess, so i used the missing posters to try and estimate a timeline of how long each ghost boy would've been in the basement for (although the missing posters are notoriously unreliable for details such as looks/height/age/etc, the dates seem to all line up). so we know the order is griffin, billy, vance, bruce, robin, finney, right?? if we use the poster date then billy was taken on may 4th, 1976, a month and two days after griffin was taken (april 2nd 1976). vance was taken on september 23rd 1977, almost a full year later (stay with me im going somewhere with this), and after that bruce was taken on july 18th 1978, again almost a full year later
its established in the movie that the grabber stalks his victims before he takes them (canon because we literally see the van watching finney and gwen as they walk home from school early on in the movie) but we dont know how long he does this for since griffin/billy and robin/finney were taken such short distances apart and then the others were taken such long distances apart, also it's possible he could stalk his next victim while the previous one is still alive, etc etc lots of confusing factors, but if i've done the maths right then the absolute maximum time vance could've spent down there is 9 months and 25 days, or 298 days, so erm . let that sink in !
howeverrrr in the movie gwen states that vance went missing "last spring" and september is definitely not in spring, meaning he could've been down there for a year or even longer. an explanation or excuse i could think of for the movie and the missing poster saying different things (other than the missing posters being known for some areas being wildly inaccurate) is that maybe he was taken in spring but wasnt labelled as officially missing until september, when he was properly linked to griffin and billy's similar disappearances and the mysterious grabber? i can imagine it'd be very easy for law enforcement, especially in the 70s, to dismiss someone like vance as a runaway until they get solid evidence that he was taken. idk though thats just my personal excuse / angsty headcanon for the difference in information
not sure what exactly killed him but we do hear from vance himself that "he took his time with me" so it was probably blood loss from a variety of injuries, if we look at him in his ghost scenes we can see his hair is absolutely covered in blood which indicates head injury, he clearly has a broken nose and bruising around his eyes as a result of it, he has these deep cuts on his abdomen area (apologies for the image quality but i believe they're like. sfx pieces you would wear under clothing)
and he also has just like. minor bruising (like the fingerprints on his arm) and other random blood splatters on his face and neck (assuming the blood down his neck comes from wherever he was bleeding on his head) so Yeah overall very unpleasant way to die obviously
okay now the part thats actually in the movie and it only took me 13 paragraphs to get here: vance as a ghost!! first thing i wanna point out is appearance wise i just want to say that when he's a ghost he's missing his choker and that fact Pains me. anyway personality-wise i feel like being violently murdered has, understandably, kicked his rage up to like. the highest level it could possibly go. he's insanely snarky and downright rude to finney on the phone, showing no empathy to the fact that finney is literally in the exact situation he was in
i feel like the whole "this is the nightmare end of your pathetic little life" and "if you knew what you had coming, you'd be fucking terrified" thing is definitely to scare finney on purpose and to get him to do something, vance might as well have just told him he's never going home cuz thats how it came across LMAOO, it is startling though because vance is clearly speaking from experience, that he was literally fucking terrified, and he is warning finney in his own weird way
the thing i think sets vance apart from the other ghosts is that while he does help finney, he does it for a different reason than they do. the other ghosts want finney to escape, to get out, to be free, to live, but personally i dont think vance cares about that. the only thing he wants is for albert shaw to be dead, for someone to seek vengeance, to do what vance couldn't. vance doesn't care if it's bruce or robin or finney or whatever boy could've come after that, he doesnt care as long as that man gets what he deserves after what he put vance through, and i see this through the scene at the end of vance's call where finney thanks him for his help and vance says, and i quote, "helping you? this isn't about you, fuck him! and apologies for being repetitive but to me it just literally proves that to vance, this isnt about finney or his escape, its just about revenge
we dont get to find out what happens to the ghosts once the credits have rolled, and i dont think we quite know enough about tbp's version of ghosts to guess what theyre up to, but i have a few theories :3 maybe theyre no longer bound to those two houses and they can now go anywhere they want in town? or maybe since their shared goal of stopping albert has been achieved, the ghosts can finally pass on to whatever is waiting for them next. i dont think vance would be content to pass on that quickly or easily as anger lingers, but i hope he'd be able to let go of it eventually, and hey we might find out in the sequel. i pray it mentions him cuz i will just die if it doesnt
sometimes, ok thats a lie, frequently i think about an au where he survived or escaped or whatever but ohhhh boy this post is already a train wreck so that au would deserve its own essay of a post :3 if u actually genuinely read this far then Wtf thanks for reading the ramblings of an absolute madman, only pure delusion could get like 20 paragraphs about a guy with 6 minutes screentime but hey thats how i roll, thanks again to my pal gray for letting me rot and thank u to my other pal ana for also enduring all this rot
hope u enjoyed my interpretation of vance hopper im going to crawl in a hole now and probably brainrot some more, thanks again for ur time :3
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rinney
thats it im literally just deprived of them .
#the black phone#tbp#tbp fandom#finney blake#robin arellano#rinney#finbin#GOD I NEED THEM TO BE CANON#I NEED NEW MATERIAL
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I LOVE UR INFODUMPS
EATS UR AU
lil infodump bout that band camp tbp au i made within my head because @staggersz is keeping me hostage🫶🏽 /j
so, im not all that familiar with band camps in general, i just know its like summer camp,,,,,, but instruments,,, so yeah really interesting. i’m pretyyyy sure that band camp becomes available when honour band becomes available because they handed out scholarships for band camp (or whatever) when i was in honour band so yeah. not sure if its different in the states but oh well (im canadian)
alright alrigth,, so i dont have a deadset outlook on the au yet (just silly thoughts and ideas) womp womp for me. i mostly have down the instruments from that post i made about guessing what instrument they would play, if you wanna know what instruments they have but dont wanna scroll thru my blog to find the post (dont blame you) just send an ask xx
what i have so far: bruce definitely got a scholarship. not sure if they do that in U S and an A but whatever if they dont. making this up as i go along, dont judge. anygays, if band camps are still following ‘typical summer camp culture’, with the bunks, cabins and shit (ill do research later sjsjsj) then boom. all basement boys™️ (or should i say,, BANDboys.. haha im so funny) are sharing a bunk. yipee. theyre also probably separated by gender so gwen n amy’ll share a cabin^^
just realized i forgot donna (IM SO SORRY) bass clarinet. no arguments? no arguments.
kk, so bruce has definitely been going to band camp for a while, perhaps vance as well. OOO what if they bickered. haha mutual-dislike-towards-one-another to okay-we-can-work-together-for-the-sake-of-our-cabin to hey-you’re-actually-kinda-cool to friends to wait-a-damn-minute, so on and so forth???? hell yeah actually
AAAAA THE IDEAS ARE FLOODING INNNxkmskddmmddmd what if,, because band camp open to everyone n shit (i caANT WORD UGH),, what if finney n robin were childhood friends, one moved (idk which one) then they reunited at band camp⁉️⁉️⁉️ rinney enthusiasts better take that and run idk what else to do
as much as i love griffin, i have no idea- wait nevermind i do and im too lazy to rewrite thst sentence. cause i gave him an older sister (ocs, they are old yes, but i dont care. will talk about them later) no doubt she joined, he just wanted to be with his sister for the summer. okay yeah that works. same could go for billy, since i reduced him to middle child status (sorry my guy) but i feel like he just joined for funsies.
okay thats all my brain can think about for now, im gonna create an animatic in my head then cry about it for an hour now byeee
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Been hearing this is a problem again.
Don't be a dick in bookmarks, folks. And yes while I made this image, I'm giving free reign. Take it. Spread it far and wide. Because I'm hearing that some readers don't know that their bookmarks are visible.
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I BOUGHT THE SAME MASK IN NYC LIKE 2 MONTHS AGO ITS SO EXPENSIVE 😭
I’m begging for some tbp merch that isn’t The Grabber cause right now my bookshelf looks like a shrine to a serial killer.
At this point I’d take a Max funko pop. Please I’m begging.
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Welcome back to my collection about my TBP ships with flower symbolism! I plan on having a lot of flower symbolism placement in my fanfic, so I’m making this :)
Gwenamy/Amen is…
Violets!!
I think Violets are really pretty!
Amy and Gwen are just cutiepies through and through. They’re adorable, they communicate their issues with each other, they paint each other’s nails, and wear matching pajama sets :)
Gwen is very jealous when it comes to boys at school having a crush on Amy, because she believes she could be the best to Amy. When they’re together, Amy is always buying Gwen gifts since Gwen doesn’t have much. <3
#the black phone#tbp#tbp fandom#tbp headcanons#tbp hcs#twny#taking what’s not yours#gwen blake#amy yamada#gwenamy#flowers#flower symbolism#violets#LESBIANS WIN
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OHHH MY GOSH MY SILLYYY
silly hc time:33
Griffin can’t speak out loud (for obvious reasons) so i like to think that he can speak through the phone. how does that work? i have no idea. i just like the idea of griff having to shove the damned thing in one of the ghost boy’s face when he wants to talk to them lmao
and i drew shit for it too cause im like that^^ tw for blood and gore!!!!
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ME AND MY FRIEND WERE LEGIT TALKING ABOUT THIS either vance wanted to credit himself more, and/or he and his family are lower class and dont have a lot of money so 14 dollars to him is a lot
The Grabber when Vance broke the wall that would have costed $14.60 to repair
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OHHHH MY GOD MY POOR BABY :((
GRIFFIN ☹️☹️💔
april fools day isnt going so great for tbp fandom
tw: child gr00ming, ped0ph!lia, implied+referenced s/a
(sorry if my handwriting is ass in the warning i tried😭) song is shut up (and sleep with me) by sin with sebastian!
istg if this doesnt get into a gacha life/2/club reaction video im burying myself in the 69 inch deep snow outside (yes we still have snow)
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IM GONNA TRY TO DO THIS WIT BRANCE WISH ME LUCK🙏🙏🙏 (24 was n$fw ew so im skipping that one 🫶🏽🫶🏽)
YAYYYYYY THEYRE SO CUTEEE I LOVE THEM GOODLUCK SILLY I SAW THE FIRST THREE DAYS <33
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The Grabber when Vance broke the wall that would have costed $14.60 to repair
#the black phone#tbp#tbp fandom#tbp hcs#vance hopper#the grabber#no way this man got mad over a WALL#A WALL!!!#tbp memes
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HOOOOOOLY SHIT IM STUPID PJ FANDOM IM SORRY 😭😭 that dumbass wiki tricked me IM LEAVING THE ROOM GOODBYE
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Which Greek God/Goddess would TBP have? Because I love Greek Mythology and what would they do in Camp Half Blood? (if you know Percy Jackson)
I never really read percy jackson i feel like a FRAUD ☹️☹️
I did a read along in 6th grade but i am in 10th now and so i don’t remember anything especially when we didnt continued the series because of covid! 😭
I think I actually did make a list though, NOT IN ORDER im reading off message history
Billy - Son of Hermes
Griffin - Son of Apollo
Finney and Gwen - Children Artemis
Robin - Son of Nike
Donna - Daughter of Aphrodite
Vance - Son of Ares (I think)
Bruce and Amy - Children of Athena
i think thats all i got
#the black phone#tbp#tbp fandom#tbp headcanons#tbp hcs#finney blake#robin arellano#bruce yamada#vance hopper#billy showalter#griffin stagg#gwen blake#tbp donna#amy yamada#i never got into percy jackson#not entirely my thing but maybe one day
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thanks for eating my art🥰
anygays, so ive been watching a lot of videos revolving sign language (i have no idea why it just popped up on my yt page😭) and heard about people cracking their knuckles before signign really quickly or when theyre angry or something and my mind has just came up with this mental image of griff staring wide eyed at some doctor or someone that pissed him off and maintaing eye contact as he cracks his knuckles.
idk just a thought lmao💫
LMAOOOO love that griffin is such the kind of person to do that 😭😭💯
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I SAW THAT REBLOG @just-call-mefr1es SO I GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU
I wrote fluff a while ago and i mentioned in it how Amy bought a matching pajama set for her and Gwen and how she wants to match hairstyles with her ALL the time
they also paint each other’s nails :3
#the black phone#tbp#tbp fandom#tbp headcanons#tbp hcs#GWENAMY#gwen blake#amy yamada#FUCK YEAH GIRLS WIN
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i dont really like being passive aggressive on here but its my page and if i dont talk about things then it just rots my brain
if you don’t have the same opinion as the headcanons/posts i make from the Asks that i put on my tumblr page, then why comment about your disagreement. You have a tumblr page also to write about your personal headcanons
it especially grinds my gears when the opinion i give is the less popular of the two, because people just love to beat on unpopular headcanons. Like okay i get it you like the obviously more popular one !
There is zero need to be reblogging or commenting just to give your opinion, again, especially if you have your own page
and if you ASK for me to give my opinion to then just give yours in response, why bother asking and then responding when you do not agree
sorry if this came off as a bit rude, but it’s really been annoying me for a while 😭
#the black phone#tbp#tbp fandom#tbp headcanons#tbp hcs#i do NOT give a fuck about your opinions on my page 🔥‼️‼️#emphasis on the words MY PAGE#MY page#let me have fun making headcanons#why ask if you are going to disagree#especially with a passive aggressive response?#rant post#like if i wanted YOUR personal thoughts i would have asked#but i didn't
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