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charlieconwayy · 8 months

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why jay/leia is the intended endgame: an unnecessarily long post

the very obvious answer to this is the whole legacy argument. who didn't know when the character descriptions dropped that those two would be a couple just for the whole "haha the kelsos are still driving the forman women crazy" joke? (which they haven't even made yet, which also makes me think we have in no way seen the last of them. we are DEFINITELY getting an eric freakout) kelso was a joke character nearly his entire stint on t70s. they never portrayed him as a good bf or caring ab . . . well anything other than sex, and then eventually betsy (trans!jay kelso theory?). jay, however, they make a big point of showing/saying that he is not like his dad. there is an entire episode dedicated to red realizing that jay is a good boy and that is not kelso just bc he is a kelso.

this is the jay defining moment for me. i think if they had cast a lesser actor than mace this could've come off as 'haha jay trying to get into leia's pants' but mace delivered it so genuinely and sincerely that it is very clear to me that leia is not going to be someone that jay gets over easily. he's this "reformed playboy," yet we never see him be anything less than a gentleman to leia. i am pointing out this line in particular bc of it's OBVIOUS parallel to eric saying that he needed to go to africa so that he can deserve donna.

i have trauma from the gmw fandom debating to death who the corpanga was supposed to be (as if that was a good thing lmfao) but there is literally no debate that jay/leia is the new donna/eric. jay is the cool hot love interest who centers the neurotic dorky protagonist. plus, i mean, the car scene within the first three episodes? be so serious here.

the show spent sooooo much time on jay and it would be so weird to me if they suddenly were just like "actually nate is the male lead now!" i think he probably got the least amount of screentime of any of the kids.

i know the showrunner came out and said leia needed to find a ~deep connection not built on lust~ and that's where nate came in. i do agree with that to an extent, but nate/leia is clearly just to throw off the viewers. also, nate is the kelso archetype more than jay is, lbr. (i could do an entirely separate blog post on that). yes, nate and leia connected. they were able to confide in each other about their relationship issues. does that mean there's romantic chemistry there? no. it just means that they were there for each other in an important moment.

is a big proponent of leia/jay's relationship built on lust? i would argue moreso on leia's side than jay's, but also, leia didn't like jay bc of his looks. she liked him because he made her feel special and treated her with respect. she liked the kind, sensitive part of him. it was only once they had that moment where she began to ~lust after him. and for anyone to argue that jay's feelings for leia are lust related is fucking stupid because

like jay could get any girl he wants canonically. he likes leia for leia. he likes her for all of her little quirks and flaws. plus there is ANOTHER episode dedicated to her feeling she needs to put out and him saying he only wants what she is comfortable with. c'mon man.

this is not some lust related fling that was built on nothing but mutual attraction. i'm not gonna act like their convos ever get super deep or anything (mainly because we only got ten episodes in season one), but nate/leia rly didn't either. like. they were both just upset about jay and nikki. and then they almost kissed.

are nate and leia probably going to be a focus in season two? oh, for sure. but the obvious endgame is jay and leia.

like be so for real.

i could also talk about the difference in her expressions here for hours but i'll just leave all of this here.

#jay x leia #that 90s show #meta

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uglypastels · 1 year

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Is t90s worth watching? I love the original and ngl the trailer was not it

I absolutely love that 70s show, so i was very sceptical about this sequel show but honestly, its cute and pretty fun (so far, i've seen half the episodes)

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It doesnt have the exact energy that made the og show but i also dont think its fair to hold it up to that standard and immediately fail it if its not the exact same. It has its own cast and charm. So far the og characters (besides red and kitty) have been only making small cameos which is clearly fan service, and i dont even think its that necessary. I would happily watch season 2 without them (i mean, i DO want them, but if they werent there, id still enjoy the show since they dont add that much to the plot besides the audience cheer tracks)

Of course red and kitty are the king and queen, and im so happy they are the focus of the b plots instead of f.e. eric and donna. Seeing them be sweet grandparents is just the best and their energy has barely changed from t70s.

As for the new kids, i love them as a group. There are clearly things they writers passed down onto the new characters from the older ones but not in a 1 by 1 parallel way i feel like. Its a mix combined with their own personalities. Do i love all of them? No (*cough* leia can fuck back off to chicago *couch*) but thats fine. I love ozzie and jay, they're my homeboys. Jay and nate are himbo bestie goals. Nikki (i had to look her name up after a while bc istg they did not introduce her by name until ep 3 unless i missed it) is fun and so is gwen, just the acting is a bit choppy, but still watchable- its a sitcom, i dont expect much. And leia is also there i guess. Do i agree with the dynamics they went for??? Not all, but i see the potential the group has for any later plot lines and im excited

One point of critique id give is perhaps some of the jokes were... choices. The writers have a bit of a Victorious approach to it when it comes to stuff like consent... and fez... is fez

(Again i only watched half the season so im only going off of the first five episodes)

#uglypastels answers #anon #but i actually did like it a lot #to my own surprise #spoiler - the lady in the hot tub traumatised me tho

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anakinism · 3 years

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that 70′s show / supernatural

#destieledit #spnedit #t70sedit #jackie x hyde #destiel #t70s #mine #parallels #parallelnatural

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hunkydorkling · 3 years

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Johnny, we’re looking at you (respectfully, but also condemningly).

#that 70s show #t70s #eric forman #cobra kai #the karate kid #johnny lawrence #all roads point to why the fuck are you not with your son #we're going to make parallels of that 70s show and cobra kai soon aren't we

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70seric · 5 years

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jackie x hyde alphabet: R is for red x kitty parallels big thank you to @that70sshowgoldencouple who let me use her amazing parallels (that you can see here) for this post. thank you you’re the best kitty/red shipper ever.

#jh alphabet #jackie x hyde #zenmasters #otp: jackie experience #that 70s show #t70s #parallels #red x kitty #**#that70sedit #t70sedit #jackie burkhart #steven hyde #red forman #kitty forman #thank u again #u are amazing

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thestupidhelmet · 4 years

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since t70s is being taken off netflix (damn them!) i'm doing a rewatch, and i love how even early on hyde and jackie's mentality seems to come from opposite ends and meet in the middle. in 3x11 for example when jackie and donna have a parallel conversation with hyde and eric, jackie and hyde have the exact same ideas regarding sex, but somehow are still sold to us as incompatible opposites for 2 seasons. reminds u why they're the fan favourites

Nicely said! Jackie and Hyde’s incompatibility is largely superficial.

#That 70s Show #That '70s Show #Jackie x Hyde #Jackie Burkhart #Steven Hyde #Ask #astrolosts #Comment #Response #Essay #Meta

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zeppelin-and-unicorns · 3 years

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Do you think some of the gang of t70s had character growth or stayed the same/regressed during the later seasons (like 6+)? I at least believe Kelso did have some growth at the end of the show

I believe that some of the characters grew on season 6, some of them stayed the same (Fez), and some of them regressed (Donna).

About Donna and Fez: I'm not going to talk a lot about how the writers fucked their characters up because that would be a really long answer. From what I can tell, the writers stopped caring about their growth on season 5. Donna completely forgot why she and Eric broke up, she literally became the person she said she didn't want to be by accepting Eric's marriage proposal. Fez became a creep on s5 and I don't know how the gang managed to stay friends with him.

If Donna regressed on s5, then she just went downhill on s6. I still can't believe that she gave up her education to stay with Eric, I'm pretty sure they could've handled the whole distance thing, Madison's not that far away and Eric has a car. I get that they couldn't just write Donna off the show, but I'm pretty sure the writers could've figured something out if they tried hard enough. In my opinion, there was a point where Donna was barely a character of her own, she was Eric's girlfriend and that's it.

And Fez was the same pervert he was on s5, nothing changed.

About character development (on season 6)... Kelso was clearly the one that grew the most, I think the storyline with Brooke was brilliant and I'll never forgive the writers for breaking these two apart.

Kelso's growth (for me), starts when he finally realizes that Jackie and Hyde actually love and care about each other, and he "lets her go". Season 5 Kelso was an asshole to both Jackie and Hyde, he did absolutely everything he could to break them up, so I think that making Kelso bring Jackie and Hyde back together on season 6 was pretty cool.

When he impregnates Brooke, he panics and tries to run away from the responsibility, but he comes to his senses eventually and tries to do the right thing. When Brooke tells him she doesn't want him to be a part of their child's life, he's genuinely heartbroken, and that's what motivates him to change and be a better person.

It's the first time we actually see Kelso pursuing someone for un-selfish reasons. He's determined to change and he tries his best to prove to Brooke that he can and will be a good father. He gets a job at the hotel, he enters the police academy, and he falls in love with Brooke.

That's a controversial opinion, by the way. There are some people who think that Kelso wasn't in love with Brooke, but I genuinely think he was. She was the only girl he's been with that he didn't constantly pester to "do it" with him, he prioritized her and the baby over his own interests and he showed little to no interest in other girls when they were together. They were really cute together and had lots of potential.

Jackie and Hyde grew a lot together on season 6, their relationship was great and they seemed happy together. The only problem they had (I'm not counting the first two episodes) was Jackie's brief marriage obsession, but that was solved on s6ep18 "Do You Think It's Alright".

Most of Jackie's character development happened on s5. She had just started dating Hyde (someone who actually cared about her and taught her useful things), and her father was sent to jail. She had to fend for herself and that is not an easy thing for a teenager to go through, and it changed her.

Her character on s6 grew too, just not as much as it did on s5. She and Hyde were in a stable (and almost domestic) relationship, I really like how the writers began to make parallels between them and Kitty and Red. Honestly, Jackie and Kitty could've been such a powerful duo, I wish they had more screen time together.

Season 6 Hyde's behavior was consistent to his behavior on s5 (except for a few episodes), he helped the Forman's out money-wise after Red had his heart attack, he and Jackie were in a really nice place, he had just graduated from high school and he had a steady job. The only thing I would change about Hyde in s6 is his behavior towards Pam. Hyde was abandoned by his mother too, and I find it really hard to believe that instead of being pissed at Pam, he ogled over her. Real Hyde would've prioritized Jackie over Kelso going to the police academy, he would've been there for her, and I think he would have probably yelled at Pam at some point.

But overall, Hyde's character grew too.

Eric made a huge sacrifice by postponing college to work and help his family. I mean, HUGE. Eric and Donna always dreamt of leaving Point Place, and I can assure you that it wasn't easy for Eric to postpone that dream for a while.

Eric's growth might not have been as big as Kelso's, or Hyde and Jackie's, but it's still growth.

Now, season 7... I don't hate season 7, there are many episodes of season 7 that I like and the jokes are most of the time hillarious, but the writers really messed up character-wise.

All the characters, I mean ALL of them, regressed on s7.

All that character development Kelso had on season 6 was thrown in the garbage. Sure, he was still determined to be a good father, but at some point he became a man-whore again, and pairing him up with Angie had to be one of the most stupid things the writers did on s7.

Hyde suddenly became afraid of commitment (which doesn't really make sense to me) and began to slowly pull away from Jackie, who became insecure about their relationship and started to demand things from him again.

Jackie's marriage obsession ended in season 6, and I have no idea why the writers brought it back on season 7. I'm sure they could've created conflict between Jackie and Hyde in a better way.

Jackie was always a materialistic girl, but being with Hyde changed her and taught her that there are more important things in life than money and presents. Apparently, the Jackie from s7 forgot all about that.

About the other characters...

Fez continued to be the perv from the earlier seasons.

Eric became a lazy person with absolutely no aspirations in life.

Some of Donna's attitudes were... questionable, to say the least. I'll never get over how she trash-talked Red's muffler shop on the radio, and how she got that girl fired from the radio station. She also seemed to forget all about her life aspirations and goals, that's why I think she was so pissed when Eric told her that he was going to Africa.

And I am not going to talk about season 8 because it managed to ruin every single character in every possible way and it makes me sad to talk about it.

So, yeah, some characters grew and some characters regressed on season 6, but everyone regressed on season 7. It's honestly pretty sad, but we have fanfiction for a reason!

#ask #character study #season 7 #season 6 #eric forman #donna pinciotti #steven hyde #jackie burkhart #michael kelso #fez #jackie x hyde #jackie and hyde #zenmasters #that 70's show #essay

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