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Regarding the GeorgeNotFound Situation
This entire conversation should not have happened publicly.
It was clear from Caiti's initial post that there was a breakdown in communication rather than any "assault" or "molestation." In her own testimony, she never described explicitly stating no, nor giving any indication besides "getting up" to stop the attention (which was later disproved).
That does not mean she wasn't uncomfortable. That does not mean she was not hurt by George's actions. It also does not mean George is a molester because of it.
From Caiti and George's statements, it is clear that this took place over a couple of hours (3-4), and besides the texting afterward, there were no further physical interactions between them. To use a single incident to describe George's behavior is a stretch at best and downright misinformation at worst. In the Wilbur situation, the violations of Shelby's boundaries happened over months with repeated attempts to tell him to stop.
In George's situation, it happened over four hours, in which there were no explicit tells to stop.
That said, I do hope George takes this incident and rethinks his behavior with strangers. Even if it should not be described as molesting, it still hurt Caiti, and if I were him, I would make strides to not repeat the mistakes made here.
Moreover, I think that some parties involved should not have been. Some individuals used the volatile situation to spread their own hate toward the Dream Team. They used Caiti's story to push their own agenda, which, in no way, is supporting a victim. Her friends should have helped her find closure by seeking reconciliation from her "abuser;" instead, they made the situation a public massacre where she would most likely be harassed after already feeling vulnerable.
My hope is that, behind the scenes, the two will talk about what happened and try to find peace. George clearly did not know he hurt Caiti, and he apologized for making her feel uncomfortable. That does not make him a villain: it makes him a person who made a mistake.
The moral of this whole fiasco is not to support or not support victims. Support can be weaponized for personal gain, and to support blindly is almost as bad as not supporting at all.
Instead, we need to listen. From the beginning, Caiti's story was a plea for an apology from George, and all she needed was George's apology (which she received). She did not need people calling him an abuser, she did not need her friends to utilize her pain to attack George's friend Dream, and she did not need people to pry into both her and George's life for answers.
All of this could, and should, have happened off-screen where the two parties could reconcile and heal.
To Caiti: I wish this had not happened to you. I am sorry you are in pain, and I am sorry your friends used your pain for their gain. I hope you find peace from George's apology, and if you do not, I hope you find peace in life.
To George: I wish this did not happen in the public light. Your mistake did not need to be publicized and scrutinized and instead should have been between you and Caiti. I hope you will help Caiti find peace, and if she does not want it, I hope you grow as a person and do not make this mistake again.
As of right now, this blog will remain positive about the Dream Team. I probably will not be supporting George enthusiastically right now (since I want to be certain this isn't a repetitive behavior and just one incident). However, I will be happy to talk about any fandom content regarding him and the other members.
It has been a rough few days, and I am grateful for the lovely positivity we created between my anons and followers. I give you all many squishes of happiness. Thank you for being kind.
Now, let us all move on to a better and brighter future in this fandom. We have a lot of content coming up, and I'm very excited. Feel free to send any asks regarding the situation; I would love to read your opinions.
TL;DR This conversation should have happened off-camera. Caiti's story should not have been used for clout, and George should not have been attacked for clout. Both need to heal off-camera, and we should support that.
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esters-reblogs · 2 months
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when a man is drunk, it's used as an excuse for inappropriately assaulting people because he "didn't know what he was doing"
when a woman is drunk, it's used as an excuse for victim-blaming her, saying she got herself into that situation to begin with
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webanglikethat · 2 months
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FUCK WILLIAM PATRICK GOLD.
FUCK GEORGE DAVIDSON.
FUCK PUNZ / LUKE.
SUPPORT SHELBY, NIKI, RUE, CAITI, ANDI.
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aroaceking01 · 2 months
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Truly heartbreaking to see so many young fans - majority of them being girls - not sending support to Caiti, Shelby, Andi and to everyone else coming forward with their stories. You should always support the victims, even if the abuser is someone you like/stan a lot.
Your favorite uwu white boy streamer could literally have done this to you.
YOU DONT KNOW THESE MEN! The one you see on camera is only a persona, THATS IT. They are grown ass adults, they should know better. Why are you playing a drinking game with someone you assumed was 21? You should check that shit. It LITERALLY takes two seconds to check that info. You said that one of her friends had a 21+ bracelets and assumed she was 21 too. Im fucking sorry but that’s dumbass logic , you are a literal 27 years old man friend with a 24 yo and a 23 yo. Ur own group of friends has a 3-4 years age gap difference. Just bc one of Caiti’s friend is 21 that doesn’t mean anything. And even if Caiti was actually 21 when it happened, the behaviour was still creepy asf. Why are u cuddling and putting ur hand under her shirt to this girl you just met?
For people sending shit to Caiti bc she didn’t say anything at the moment, while she already explained her point of view a bit on Twitter - even if she shouldn’t have to- I want to add to that a bit. We heard thousands of stories where women said no to men and they still physically abused them. Put yourself in her shoes for a goddamn second, she’s 18 and drunk in a room with two grown ass men that she doesn’t know well, she only know their online persona. She doesn’t know how they’ll react if she says no.
It might be a stretched idea for some of y’all, but I’m basing this on women experience with those types of situations. In a lot of cases, when you say no, worse things can happen. More violence can happen.
Im sending support and love to all the victims and wish them to heal well. You are all strong coming out with your stories against those men with gigantic fandoms.
P.s : before anyone tells me that I also don’t know these women streamers, I prefer defending and supporting a « potential » victim than a potential abuser, but that might just be me.
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silawastaken · 2 months
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tw// mentioned sexual assault+underage drinking
Fuck georgenotfound. Fuck George Davidson.
Silence is not consent, never fucking has been. Regardless of her age, regardless of whether she was drunk or not, he should have asked.
I don't know what the fuck he was thinking, but Caiti barely looks over 18. He should have asked her age, should have asked for consent, and shouldn't have supplied a minor with alcohol.
Women everywhere have always had it drilled into their brains 'if you're uncomfortable, laugh it off and stay polite otherwise it's more dangerous'. With someone with a platform and the influence such as his, he should have been aware of stuff like that, and been mindful that his following and influence would be potentially intimidating to a younger and smaller creator, especially one that idolises him, and that it may hold a factor in their ability to make reasonable decisions. Even if Caiti had consented, it was his responsibility to ensure that she wasn't consenting out of fear or peer pressure. If he saw her friends were pushing her to do something, he should have stepped in as the responsible adult in the room.
A firm reminder that George is, and was, an adult. He was a 27 year old man at the time. This was not a stupid mistake made by a teenager or young adult who doesn't fully understand the boundaries of consent. It was a fully grown and matured adult man, taking advantage of a drunk minor.
Even if he had been Caiti's age, or not understood, Caiti still 100% deserved a full whole hearted apology, and not once did he actually apologize to her. He hasn't made a little mistake, he's ruined a life.
He isn't cancelled, he's committed a fucking crime. He deserves to be in prison, not on a trending page on twitter.
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fxingdead · 1 month
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Definition of domestic abuse:
Domestic abuse is typically manifested as a pattern of abusive behavior toward an intimate partner in a dating or family relationship, where the abuser exerts power and control over the victim. Domestic abuse can be mental, physical, economic or sexual in nature.
Wilbur repeatably bit Shelby hard enough to cause bruises and pain, implanted a safe word to which he always ignored and weaponized. still bit her hard and would even purposely bite down harder if she screamed the safe word. Poke at the bruises for “fun” just to hurt her. Lock her inside his filthy home and make her clean up his filth.
William Patrick spencer gold domestically abused Shelby.
Definition of sexual assault:
The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim. Some forms of sexual assault include: Attempted rape. Fondling or unwanted sexual touching. Forcing a victim to perform sexual acts, such as oral sex or penetrating the perpetrator's body.
George put his hand under caiti’s shirt and touched/fondled her boobs in a room full of people while she was drunk and she didn’t explicitly consent.
George Davidson sexually assaulted caiti.
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avaaili · 2 months
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as someone who’s been sa’ed before, george is a fucking dickhead and that video was horrible
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wunderbud · 2 months
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Abusers should rot in hell <3
Including my own
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eliana-system · 1 month
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"They were both drunk" who initiated sexual touche on a girl 8 years younger than him? Personnally when I drink I don't start touching young people without their consent. And if anything like that ever were to almost happen? I would stop fucking drinking.
Dont use alcohool to put the blame on the victim or say the agressor is innocent. Don't say the touch wasn't sexual when even George recognise it. Don't say caiti shouldn't have spoke out, because it's not your fucking decision.
SILENCE BENEFITS THE AGRESSOR NOT THE VICTIM. SMILING DOENST MEAN CONSENT, DRINKING DOESNT MEAN CONSENT.
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boxx-1087 · 2 months
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Say it with me:
Silence isn't consent, no matter how drunk you are.
Abuse is abuse no matter how "bad it is"
Staying friends with someone who has/is doing bad things is supporting them.
Flirting with minors is not okay.
Flirting with newly graduates when youre 26 is not okay.
Taking advantage of someone is not okay.
Compromising safety or well being of others for the money isn't okay.
Consent is given verbally and assertively.
Consent can be taken away.
Anyone who does this is scum.
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Just finished the Twitter Space:
Nothing new was said, and I think everyone involved feels rightfully upset.
He reiterated my points that he wishes they had come to him and felt comfortable. He recognizes this is a single mistake and he hopes George never does something like this again.
I think we should all step back from this now. It isn’t our business how this gets handled, and we should move on to do fandom things while the CCs sort this out behind the scenes.
We will most likely have Sapnap streams soon, which I’m v excited! We also have the titan thing in the works, so let’s keep an eye out for that.
We will be fine, y’all. Caiti and George will be fine. Unclench ur jaw and read some fanfic :)
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esters-reblogs · 2 months
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men are genuinely so fucking disgusting like they saw caiti and immediately started nitpicking her looks and saying she must be lying just because she's a woman calling out a man on sexual assault
why are they so offended, it's as if they see themselves in george too
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coythegremlin · 2 months
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I didn't watch George's stream, nor will I ever watch his stream, but I read what he said in the stream from someone on Twitter and ngl it all sounded like bs
I believe caiti still she's awesome sauce, and gnf is poopy >:(
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strangleetomz · 1 month
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SUPPORT CAITIBUGZZ!!!!!!!
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webanglikethat · 1 month
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MY OPINION ABOUT CAITI AND GNF.
without a doubt, my perspective firmly supports Caiti's account and clearly acknowledging the profound trauma she endured in a situation where her consent was clearly violated through unwanted physical contact. and I am sure this experience has undoubtedly left a lasting and profound impact on her well-being.
the problem is that both GNF and Caiti were in a state of intoxication, rendering them unable to give consent. and the complexity arises from the lack of verbal communication from EITHER party about the events that transpired during that time. GNF never verbally spoke about what was going on that moment and neither did she. I believe that GNF should’ve asked anything, clarified her age, her identity, anything. this was during the grooming allegations and especially in this time he should have been careful.
I also fully believe that it appears there may have been a misunderstanding on Caiti's part regarding the mere nature of the gathering and its implications for her career advancement or anything like that. while the initial intention was simply for friends and friends of friends to come together, enjoy drinks, play games, and have a good time, Caiti may have mistakenly interpreted the situation as an opportunity to further her professional prospects and this misinterpretation from her side could have contributed to her actions and subsequent feelings of pressure or obligation. she thought she had to endure this to meet big CC like him. 
also, while GNF himself may not have verbally expressed consent to spooning, WE can imply he did and why? because of the presence of nonverbal clues. Caiti's perception of HIS nonverbal cues may have led HER to believe that he was receptive to her actions and that HE welcomed the physical contact. this might have lead her to believe leaving this situation would bruise his ego and co. so in this case, both of them are at fault for assuming, believing. 
talking about nonverbal consent; for me it's crucial to acknowledge the significance of nonverbal consent. nonverbal cues can play a vital role in understanding and respecting boundaries, especially in situations where verbal communication may be inhibited or unclear. dismissing the importance of nonverbal consent is dangerous. 
in addition, to me it is very very plausible to consider that handling the situation privately could have led to a more constructive and definite resolution. Caiti's decision to walk GNF to the elevator without escalating the situation implied that CLEAR communication and boundaries were respected at THAT moment. so perhaps, if she had expressed her discomfort while they were cuddling, it's maybe reasonable to assume that GNF would have likely responded by respecting her boundaries. but we will never know. 
I also obviously agree that GNF should have asked for permission for everything !!! but like … would that have changed anything?
"I wasn't gonna push him off infront of everyone."
" if I were to move, that would be an obvious hit to his ego to him."
-> so to me it seems possible that clear communication about comfort levels could have led to the same outcome. it is possible that in hindsight, Caiti might have felt pressured to say yes even if she wasn't comfortable, especially if she perceived GNF's expectations or felt reluctant to disappoint him.
furthermore, Caiti desperately needs new friends. they brought her, a 18 year old who technically can’t even drink to a party where they knew everyone would drink and they ditched her there. they see her (18) cuddling with GNF (28? or 26 at the time) and they think it’s weird and message her about it THE NEXT DAY but don’t do anything in the moment ?? that’s insane. if you are friends, you should know her body language, you should know she feels uncomfortable. you should know to remove her from this situation. it is so clearly and evident that there was a lack of proactive measures for harm reduction in this situation. I can’t say this enough but it's ESSENTIAL for friends to prioritize each other's safety and well-being. therefore accountably extends to all individuals who are adults capable of making informed decisions about their own actions and surroundings. if this isn’t a red flag then you’re as colorblind as GNF. 
also in my opinion, it's inappropriate for Caiti's friends to speak out about the situation before Caiti herself has had the chance to fully share her side of the story. their actions could potentially undermine Caiti's credibility and autonomy, especially if their statements contradict hers — which is happening.
this kind of “interference” (is that how you call it?) just add this really unnecessary complexity and distress to an already sensitive situation. her friends should respect Caiti's privacy and give her the space and support she needs to express herself ON HER OWN terms. I mean, her best friend said CAITI misspoke. but how would Caiti have misspoke when she wrote it down herself? I firmly believe her friend is trying to save face. also, the specificity with which she denies drinking at the party to me suggests she may be trying to distance herself from any implication of supplying alcohol to an underage individual at an official event. she is attempting to safeguard her reputation, but this is throwing CAITI under the bus.
Lastly, it is so so so so so incredibly frustrating that there was a lack of communication surrounding this situation, especially considering that Dream was actively seeking clarification and understanding about why people were upset with him. regardless of personal feelings towards him, it's fucking essential to prioritize open and honest communication. the failure to do so only adds fuel to the confusion and frustration surrounding the incident. the British group of friends involved in this scenario don’t care about anything, they’re such jokes. despicable people who don’t care about anything unless it benefits them. have you seen ANY Any any ANY and I repeat ANY of them talk about the new victim who came out and said none of them supported her when she was SAed? says so much about them.
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fxingdead · 1 month
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It’s important to remember not to idolize celebrities and content creators. We don’t know these people, don’t idolize them, don’t put them on a pedestal. We don’t know who these people are when they are not on camera and it’s so important to remember that. You don’t know who any of these people are truly and so don’t act like you do. Don’t defend their actions especially since these are mostly all grown men and women.
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