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subconsciousmysteries · 2 years

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Misuse of the 6 typing in Modern Enneagram

Welcome to my series about Type 6. The center of Perceptions. The virtues of Courage and Loyalty. The loss of Holy Faith. The vices of Envy and Doubt. The Reactive, Attachment Head Type. In this multi-post series we will delve into what all of this means.

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Too often in modern enneagram, Type 6 is not treated like a distinctive point on the symbol with its own identity. It is treated like the dumping box for everyone we find annoying, argumentative and unpredictable, and can't be bothered properly analyzing.

Lots of 8s get put into the 6 category, especially since the nonsense idea of "counterphobic 6" [x] emerged. People have told me I'm a 6 many times before, and the irony is that they could be right... however, nobody who has typed me at 6 has had logical reasoning behind their stance. I have more reasons to explain why I'm a 6 than anyone who has said that I'm a 6 core.

The modern enneagram community doesn't respect or understand type 6 as a real archetype. These people who typed me as 6 because I argued with them were basically in a math exam, getting the right answer by fluke after doing all the wrong working. This has probably happened to countless other people reading this post... typing people as 6 because they dare to be opinionated is extremely common malpractice in every enneagram community.

In Type 6s, "Doubt" runs much deeper than disagreeing with what someone says. Showing basic critical thinking skills and asking questions is the fastest way to get yourself typed as 6 in modern enneagram groups, which is dumb dumb dumb. In truth, any enneatype can doubt what people say and even argue chronically. Argumentativeness is a trait too vague and too diverse in how it presents itself, to assign to any one type.

Please read my post about how Counterphobic 6 is not a real enneagram type category. If someone calls themselves a "counterphobic 6" or tells you you are a "counterphobic 6", you can be assured they don't know what they are talking about and move along.

#6w7 #6w5 #head triad #enneagram #enneagram 6 #type 6 #5w6 #7w6 #sufi enneagram #personality theory #typology #mysticism #sufi #sufi mysticism #gurdijeff #sarah's 6 series

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psyche-exploration · 7 months

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Great enneagram podcast that talks about the more spiritual aspects of the enneagram

#enneagram #typology #mbti #gurdjieff #sufi enneagram

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ouspenskii · 1 year

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I have made some art out of the teachings of the 4th way if you guys would like to have a look, I have loved making these and I am open to suggestions and feedback, Thankyou.

The most important piece to me that has become a part of me ever since I first learned about Gurdjieff and ouspenskii is "man of 4 bodies" It simplified for me: the only things I really have, and can work with in my life are my mind, emotions and my body It helped me understand how the 4 canters should relate to each other ideally. Particularly in non expression of negative emotions. it gave me a taste of self remembering.

I have tried to create all of these pieces remembering myself or being in the unborn if you are familiar with bankei yotaku.

The diagram of everything i was just really fascinated by i had actually drawn it on my entire living room wall i liked to relate it to the progression of the ray of creation, compare the higher worlds to the higher realms stated by buddhist and sufi masters, it gave me great joy to intellectually mull over it endlessly. I do not understand the theory of hydrogens in depth, but i painted it on my wall in hopes of getting more out of it every-time i was sitting in front of it.

The enneagram is mostly aesthetic art for me at the moment, i have a vague understanding of it but i realize it is important for many of the fellow self remembers so i had to produce it. Also this remark from gurdjieff speaks of its gravity "All knowledge can be included in the enneagram and with the help of the enneagram it can be interpreted"

I have made sure that these pieces have content exactly and only from the books where it is coming straight from Gurdjieff it has nothing from any website or other external sources or from me. It is very much art for learning and practice like a diagram in a science textbook or instructions on a temple wall.

#gurdjieff #ouspensky #the fourth way #in search of the miraculous

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vyragosa · 2 years

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please this enneagram stuff is literally going to make me have an existential crisis when i was doing as good as i could i feel genuinely unwell and i truly mean it

“There is a Sufi story that relates to this about an old dog that had been badly abused and was near starvation. One day, the dog found a bone, carried it to a safe spot, and started gnawing away. The dog was so hungry that it chewed on the bone for a long time and got every last bit of nourishment that it could out of it. After some time, a kind old man noticed the dog and its pathetic scrap and began quietly setting food out for it. But the poor hound was so attached to its bone that it refused to let go of it and soon starved to death.

Fours are in the same predicament. As long as they believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with them, they cannot allow themselves to experience or enjoy their many good qualities. To acknowledge their good qualities would be to lose their sense of identity (as a suffering victim) and to be without a relatively consistent personal identity (their Basic Fear). Fours grow by learning to see that much of their story is not true—or at least it is not true any more. The old feelings begin to fall away once they stop telling themselves their old tale: it is irrelevant to who they are right now.”

#tears are coming out just a little

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muhammadan-way-servant · 22 days

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senwall · 2 years

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What is Enneagram?

Firstly, the Enneagram is a typology of nine interconnected personality types. Identifying your Enneagram type is the key to understanding yourself and your relationship with others. You can learn about different kinds of enneagrams like enneagram 1, Ennegram2 and more at 9Points of View.

Symbol

Traditionally the Enneagram is a nine-sided figure. The centre is an irregular six-point hexagon representing the Law of Seven. The Law of Seven is a law that describes how processes unfold. This law is illustrated by the octave's seven chakras and seven fundamental tones. The outer circle represents the Law of One. This represents unity and wholeness.

The Enneagram is a tool to help us develop awareness and compassion. It is used in education, leadership, business management, and relationships. It is also used in conflict resolution.

In the early 20th century, George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff used the Enneagram symbol in his teachings. He brought the emblem to the West. Gurdjieff used the figure in sacred dances and movements. He also used colourful language to describe the features of the chief types. He taught these movements in centres in the Middle East, Central Asia, and Tibet.

Numbers

Getting a good look at the numbers in the Enneagram can be a rewarding experience. They can provide insight into how others see you and your personality. This can help you relate better to others and improve your interactions.

The Enneagram is a complex system of nine interconnected personality types, each requiring its attributes and traits. Each Center, containing three types, has its strengths and weaknesses.

The Enneagram is also a great source of information if you are interested in personal development. It provides insights into one's motivations, fears, and other personality traits. It can also be a source of spiritual growth. The Enneagram is an ancient system of personality types but has undergone a renaissance in recent times. Some scholars claim it was a Sufi insight.

Characteristics

Several Enneagram types have specific characteristics. They are based on the human body and its ability to process emotions. Each Enneagram type represents different parts of an individual's emotional life. These types also have negative aspects. However, they can be helpful in the workplace if they are kept in check.

Enneagram Type One is a romantic type. They are motivated by a desire to be good and to make a difference. They want to work with others who share their passion. This type tends to be overly critical. They may be challenging to work with because of this. They may also lack the skills to deal with others. However, they are also very loyal. They can be a great leader. They are also very creative.

Enneagram Type Two is gregarious and nurturing. They like to get attention and share their feelings. They are good at trivia teams and academic work. They can also be manipulative. They are also very impulsive.

Identify your enneagram type.

Identifying your Enneagram type is a great way to know your true self. It can be challenging to pinpoint which type you are. However, there are several tools to help you determine what you are.

One way to do this is by taking an enneagram test. This is one of the most common ways to identify your Enneagram type. It is based on your core motivations.

The test also asks you to consider how you interact with others and close family members. These are essential things to consider when taking the test. This will help you build self-awareness and understand your motivations.

Another way to identify your Enneagram type is to learn about the key traits of each type. This may help you realize you have features you avoid.

Take the test

The Enneagram test is a useful self-insight tool that helps you better understand yourself. It also enables you to improve your relationships and communication. You can also use the results to identify emotional strengths and weaknesses.

The Enneagram test asks you about your personality type. The test results will tell you the kind that is most compatible with you. The test results are based on a complex system. Depending on your answers, you will be categorized into one of nine basic types. The test results often indicate that you are a mixture of these nine basic types. However, there are some differences between the test results and your actual personality type.

Enneagram test results should be taken with some caution. While the test is an excellent self-insight tool, it must provide complete scientific information.

#ennegram #Enneagram

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cursedchildofchaos · 2 years

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Hey! Just wanted to say that enneagram has… questionable origins and I think it’d be worth checking out! I love MBTI too and I though enneagram was just another cool personality thing like that, but unlike MBTI it’s heavily linked with the demonic :( Respectfully, do what you’d like with that information; I just wanted to let you know so you’re aware of it. Have a great day!

Yee, I researched it a bit before. I read it comes from Sufism. Obviously, I'm not Sufi (Most of you probably know I'm Catholic). So, I don't practice the spiritual parts of the enneagram. This article made me comfortable with still using it just as another personality quiz.

I know a lot of this personality stuff could just be pseudoscience, but I still find them to be helpful tools in analyzing different stress responses and ways to motivate people based on personality.

Thank you for your concern! I don't like messing with stuff that could be dangerous (too many stories of my friends having weird supernatural encounters * shudders * )

I hope you have a great day, too!

#anons #enneagram #catholic

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mariannedonley · 2 years

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Choosing That Fatal Flaw

Writers who discover the versatility of enneagrams, the nine personality types and subtypes discovered by the Sufis and brought west a century ago, are fascinated by how easy it is to identify their existing characters as well as to create new ones.

Presented by: Laurie Schnebly Campbell Date: October 15, 2022 9AM PT Pricing: A2P Member fee: FREE Non-A2P Member fee: $10 About the Workshop: Writers who discover the versatility of enneagrams, the nine personality types and subtypes discovered by the Sufis and brought west a century ago, are fascinated by how easy it is to identify their existing characters as well as to create new…

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#Conflict #enneagrams #Fatal Flaw #Laurie Schnebly Campbell #Traits

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johariswindow · 6 years

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"To become that which you were before you were, with the memory and understanding of what you have become"

Sufi

Reference: 1991, Palmer, H. The Enneagram: Understanding Yourself and the Others in Your Life, Harpercollins p. 21

#90's #inspirational quotes #enneagram Theory #sufi #life coach #advice blog #self help #mindfulliving #queer #mindfulness #advice column #Helen Palmer #literature #the enneagram: understanding yourself and others in your life #personality assessment

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meditation-practices · 2 years

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"Let My Heart Fly Open, Let Me Come To You"

“Let My Heart Fly Open, Let Me Come To You”

I was speaking with Joe, one of the facilitators of the Life Threatened group at the Center for Attitudinal Healing the day before yesterday to find out what went on in the group. There was one person who wasn’t given much of a chance of returning, and yet she did. I had been thinking about her the whole time I’ve been recovering from the treatment, and couldn’t wait to talk to Joe about the…

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#"Let My Heart Fly Open #Anna Halprin #Center for Attitudinal Healing #chemotherapy #enneagram #Feldenkrais #Helen Palmer #Leslie Davenport #Let Me Come To You"#loving presence #macoms #mindfulness meditation #self-observation practice #Sufi #Zero Balancing

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subconsciousmysteries · 2 years

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Enneagram & Movement

If you look into the OG enneagram documents, they didn't even use it as a personality theory. Gurdijeff was never typed with an "ego fixation" until after his death.

The creators of enneagram used it to map processes in nature. Read the Wikipedia page about the original enneagram, pre-Naranjo and pre-Ichazo. The OG theorists never took the movement out of the enneagram like Naranjo did when he wrote his chapters about all the different types as if they are static caricatures rather than moving beings. the original theorists were OBSESSED with movement between the numbers. They were trying to map biology to the hexad types.

In modern enneagram, we are obsessed with pinning ourselves to a static point, which I think is moronic because an enneagram that doesn't move is a dead symbol. Never forget this quote.

In order to understand the enneagram it must be thought of as in motion, as moving. A motionless enneagram is a dead symbol, the living symbol is in motion. - George Gurdijeff

Tritypes based on the head / heart / gut triad were not a thing until Oscar Ichazo made them so. Pre-Ichazo, enneagrammers were concerned with all sorts of "tritypes" beyond the 27 common ones we know. 147, 285, 369, 428, 571, etc. They were even concerned with quadtypes, quintypes and sextypes. There was far more flexibility in their thinking about how to use the enneagram map, as they did not confine themselves to these arbitrary rules that we use in modern enneagram, and they were not obsessed with their own ego fixations.

The Sufis used enneagram as a personality theory, but not in the same way we do in 2022. Again, they were not obsessed with their own egos. They did not go labelling themselves as this number and that number. They explained the points on the enneagram as vices / virtues that all humans have inside of them and all humans can relate to.

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As for me, I type myself the way I do because that is the movement I observe inside of myself. I never saw my fixation as an ego fixation that I needed to "fix" or rid myself of. I saw it as an impartial pattern operating inside of me, for better or for worse. A pattern I enjoy observing, through observing my feelings and reactions and psychological state over time.

I am someone who started from observing the enneagram inside of myself as a moving symbol. Now I am expanding towards seeing it more broadly applicable to things beyond myself and the personalities of people I know. Going back to the basics where we applied it to biological patterns and nature patterns and patterns which weren't our egos. But perhaps starting from inside ourselves and our feelings and our reactions is the best way to develop a framework which lets us understand things more broadly.

#i am in the enneagram rabbit hole #because i can feel this system in my body #it is realer than any rabbit hole ive been down. most rabbit holes are just fakedeep.#arbitrary symbolism thrown together by some dude tryna be deep #tryna be god #like all the freemason symbolism #but with enneagram #i can feel the movement of the patterns #thats why the inventer (gurdijeff) is always typed as an 8-9 liner... lol... zero shock #george gurdijeff #enneagram #typology #sufi mysticism

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datesoma · 5 years

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ENNEAGRAM .

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Type 4, THE INDIVIDUALIST

The Sensitive, Introspective Type: Expressive, Dramatic, Self-Absorbed, and Temperamental

Type Four in Brief

Fours are self-aware, sensitive, and reserved. They are emotionally honest, creative, and personal, but can also be moody and self-conscious. Withholding themselves from others due to feeling vulnerable and defective, they can also feel disdainful and exempt from ordinary ways of living. They typically have problems with melancholy, self-indulgence, and self-pity. At their Best: inspired and highly creative, they are able to renew themselves and transform their experiences.

Basic Fear: That they have no identity or personal significance

Basic Desire: To find themselves and their significance (to create an identity)

Enneagram Four with a Five-Wing: "The Bohemian"

Key Motivations: Want to express themselves and their individuality, to create and surround themselves with beauty, to maintain certain moods and feelings, to withdraw to protect their self-image, to take care of emotional needs before attending to anything else, to attract a "rescuer."

When moving in their Direction of Disintegration (stress), aloof Fours suddenly become over-involved and clinging at Two. However, when moving in their Direction of Integration (growth), envious, emotionally turbulent Fours become more objective and principled, like healthy Ones.

Type Four Overview

We have named this type The Individualist because Fours maintain their identity by seeing themselves as fundamentally different from others. Fours feel that they are unlike other human beings, and consequently, that no one can understand them or love them adequately. They often see themselves as uniquely talented, possessing special, one-of-a-kind gifts, but also as uniquely disadvantaged or flawed. More than any other type, Fours are acutely aware of and focused on their personal differences and deficiencies.

Healthy Fours are honest with themselves: they own all of their feelings and can look at their motives, contradictions, and emotional conflicts without denying or whitewashing them. They may not necessarily like what they discover, but they do not try to rationalize their states, nor do they try to hide them from themselves or others. They are not afraid to see themselves “warts and all.” Healthy Fours are willing to reveal highly personal and potentially shameful things about themselves because they are determined to understand the truth of their experience—so that they can discover who they are and come to terms with their emotional history. This ability also enables Fours to endure suffering with a quiet strength. Their familiarity with their own darker nature makes it easier for them to process painful experiences that might overwhelm other types.

Nevertheless, Fours often report that they feel they are missing something in themselves, although they may have difficulty identifying exactly what that “something” is. Is it will power? Social ease? Self-confidence? Emotional tranquility?—all of which they see in others, seemingly in abundance. Given time and sufficient perspective, Fours generally recognize that they are unsure about aspects of their self-image—their personality or ego-structure itself. They feel that they lack a clear and stable identity, particularly a social persona that they feel comfortable with.

While it is true that Fours often feel different from others, they do not really want to be alone. They may feel socially awkward or self-conscious, but they deeply wish to connect with people who understand them and their feelings. The “romantics” of the Enneagram, they long for someone to come into their lives and appreciate the secret self that they have privately nurtured and hidden from the world. If, over time, such validation remains out of reach, Fours begin to build their identity around how unlike everyone else they are. The outsider therefore comforts herself by becoming an insistent individualist: everything must be done on her own, in her own way, on her own terms. Fours’ mantra becomes “I am myself. Nobody understands me. I am different and special,” while they secretly wish they could enjoy the easiness and confidence that others seem to enjoy.

Fours typically have problems with a negative self-image and chronically low self-esteem. They attempt to compensate for this by cultivating a Fantasy Self—an idealized self-image which is built up primarily in their imaginations. A Four we know shared with us that he spent most of his spare time listening to classical music while fantasizing about being a great concert pianist—à la Vladimir Horowitz. Unfortunately, his commitment to practicing fell far short of his fantasized self-image, and he was often embarrassed when people asked him to play for them. His actual abilities, while not poor, became sources of shame.

In the course of their lives, Fours may try several different identities on for size, basing them on styles, preferences, or qualities they find attractive in others. But underneath the surface, they still feel uncertain about who they really are. The problem is that they base their identity largely on their feelings. When Fours look inward they see a kaleidoscopic, ever-shifting pattern of emotional reactions. Indeed, Fours accurately perceive a truth about human nature—that it is dynamic and ever changing. But because they want to create a stable, reliable identity from their emotions, they attempt to cultivate only certain feelings while rejecting others. Some feelings are seen as “me,” while others are “not me.” By attempting to hold on to specific moods and express others, Fours believe that they are being true to themselves.

One of the biggest challenges Fours face is learning to let go of feelings from the past; they tend to nurse wounds and hold onto negative feelings about those who have hurt them. Indeed, Fours can become so attached to longing and disappointment that they are unable to recognize the many treasures in their lives.

Leigh is a working mother who has struggled with these difficult feelings for many years.

“I collapse when I am out in the world. I have had a trail of relationship disasters. I have hated my sister’s goodness—and hated goodness in general. I went years without joy in my life, just pretending to smile because real smiles would not come to me. I have had a constant longing for whatever I cannot have. My longings can never become fulfilled because I now realize that I am attached to ‘the longing’ and not to any specific end result.”

There is a Sufi story that relates to this about an old dog that had been badly abused and was near starvation. One day, the dog found a bone, carried it to a safe spot, and started gnawing away. The dog was so hungry that it chewed on the bone for a long time and got every last bit of nourishment that it could out of it. After some time, a kind old man noticed the dog and its pathetic scrap and began quietly setting food out for it. But the poor hound was so attached to its bone that it refused to let go of it and soon starved to death.

Fours are in the same predicament. As long as they believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with them, they cannot allow themselves to experience or enjoy their many good qualities. To acknowledge their good qualities would be to lose their sense of identity (as a suffering victim) and to be without a relatively consistent personal identity (their Basic Fear). Fours grow by learning to see that much of their story is not true—or at least it is not true any more. The old feelings begin to fall away once they stop telling themselves their old tale: it is irrelevant to who they are right now.

#me #Ah... Called out

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riszellira · 2 years

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Reflection: Our False Images of God

There’s a popular personality theory based on ancient Sufi teachings called the Enneagram. This theory maps out human personalities into nine basic types, in line with the nine ways God was perceived by that tradition: 1) perfect; 2) caring; 3) excellent; 4) unique; 5) all-knowing; 6) faithful; 7) joyful; 8) powerful; and 9) peace-loving. Interestingly, the Enneagram helps people to see, among other things, what it is in our life that we usually do to gain the love we seek from others.

Growing up, some of us were made to believe we would be loved only if we were good and perfect. Some of us unconsciously learned that by being helpful, we could get affection in return. Others excelled in school or in some talent in order to gain our parents’ favor. Others found this was possible by standing out. Programmed as such, basic fears developed in us: if we don’t perform as we should, we will be rejected, unloved, unseen, punished.

Unconsciously, we project these fears onto God and create false images: an unyielding judge, an ever-watchful policeman, a grace-dispenser (who doles out blessings in exchange for our prayers and virtues), a manipulative lover, or a grand taskmaster who works only with the best.

Today, we are given two beautiful images from Scripture that help us break through these false images. One is of the loving husband Elkanah, who loves his wife, Hannah, dearly despite her inability to bear him a child. The other is Jesus, who calls His first disciples and who will love them to the very end despite them failing and even abandoning Him.

God loves us despite all that we are not and fail to do. We are beloved in His eyes. Period. No ifs and buts. The more we learn to accept this, the more we will see God and become unconditionally loving ourselves.

~Fr. Mark L. Lopez, S.J.

What false images of God might still be operative in your own life today?

Dear Lord, heal me of my false images of You. Amen.

Prayer

… for a deep and profound respect for life, especially for the unborn.

… for the strength and healing of the sick.

… for the healing and peace of all families.

Finally, we pray for one another, for those who have asked our prayers and for those who need our prayers the most.

GOD BLESS!

#reflection #prayer

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raskoolz · 6 years

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Insight on Enneagram Type 4

Excerpts from: The Enneagram Institute

THE INDIVIDUALIST Enneagram Type Four

The Sensitive, Introspective Type:

Expressive, Dramatic, Self-Absorbed, and Temperamental

Type Four in Brief

Fours are self-aware, sensitive, and reserved. They are emotionally honest, creative, and personal, but can also be moody and self-conscious. Withholding themselves from others due to feeling vulnerable and defective, they can also feel disdainful and exempt from ordinary ways of living. They typically have problems with melancholy, self-indulgence, and self-pity. At their Best: inspired and highly creative, they are able to renew themselves and transform their experiences.

Basic Fear: That they have no identity or personal significance

Basic Desire: To find themselves and their significance (to create an identity)

Enneagram Four with a Three-Wing: "The Aristocrat"

Enneagram Four with a Five-Wing: "The Bohemian"

Key Motivations: Want to express themselves and their individuality, to create and surround themselves with beauty, to maintain certain moods and feelings, to withdraw to protect their self-image, to take care of emotional needs before attending to anything else, to attract a "rescuer."

The Meaning of the Arrows (in brief)

When moving in their Direction of Disintegration (stress), aloof Fours suddenly become over-involved and clinging at Two. However, when moving in their Direction of Integration (growth), envious, emotionally turbulent Fours become more objective and principled, like healthy Ones. Learn more about the arrows.

Type Four Overview

We have named this type “The Individualist” because Fours maintain their identity by seeing themselves as fundamentally different from others. Fours feel that they are unlike other human beings, and consequently, that no one can understand them or love them adequately. They often see themselves as uniquely talented, possessing special, one-of-a-kind gifts, but also as uniquely disadvantaged or flawed. More than any other type, Fours are acutely aware of and focused on their personal differences and deficiencies.