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artist-issues · 8 months

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Screentime For the Prince

You know how in the original Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, each character's true nature is revealed by what they choose to treasure?

You know, Grumpy treasures safety because his true nature is vulnerable, the Queen treasures beauty because her true nature is ugly, and Snow White is the only one who's treasure is as true as her nature: pure love?

And how the Prince only gets around 5 minutes of screentime, and in those 5 minutes, proves that he A) treasures Snow White's true nature of pure love and B) keeps his promises?

Well, I was thinking. In the new Live Action, they're basically writing in a different male character in place of the Prince and not focusing on any kind of love story. So it's not actually "Snow White." But what would a good, faithful, beautiful adaptation of Snow White look like? (You know, one that actually does adaptations correctly--like Cinderella 2015?)

What should they be doing with the Prince?

I have a general idea below.

I mean, they can't introduce him in the same way they did in the classic animation. Obviously modern people aren't used to so much nuance in their big-screen fairy tales anymore; 5 minutes of screentime isn't enough, we prefer Mr. Darcy & Lizzie Bennet-levels of couple-building interactions, at least. And that's okay.

But it means we have to fill in a lot of the blanks about where this Prince comes from and why he values Snow White's "pure love nature" so strongly.

So I figure, in my head, it might look something like:

The Prince (let's call him Walther, German for "Walt," since basically everybody who worked on the original movie agrees that it was Walt's big brain child, and the popularized "Ferdinand" is not only fan-made but makes me think of a kindhearted bull) is the heir to a neighboring kingdom's throne.

Prince Walther isn't King yet, not because his parents are still King and Queen (they're dead,) but because tradition states he can only take the throne once he's come of age. Prince Walther's like 17, turning 18. So instead, his kingdom is essentially run by this council of busybodies, with one Regent holding the throne until he's old enough to take it. Something like that.

(the picture is of Dean Stockwell who's the son of the original voice actor for the Prince, I think someone who looks like him ought to be cast.) Prince Walther experienced pure love from his parents, who treated him like a normal boy and didn't place much emphasis on courtly manners or politics when raising him. But then they died tragically, leaving their honest and innocent son to be raised by a bunch of old people who put way TOO much emphasis on those things.

Because everyone in Prince Walther's court has had to handle being next-door neighbors to the Wicked Queen's country. They're all super political, and afraid of appearing weak, and therefore, very insincere. That's what I'm saying.

Everyone he interacts with on a daily basis never comes out and says what they really want. Nobody is genuine. He lives a life of hearing words like, "good morning Your Majesty, I hope you slept well. The Grand Duke could certainly stand to sleep better; the poor fellow looked run down at breakfast." but learning that what they actually mean is, "The Duke is getting old and ineffective and when your birthday passes you should decree that he give his land and resources away to me."

And he misses the genuine love the court used to feel from his parents' kind, simple way of ruling. No political games, no complex feuds. Plus, he misses the personal love they shared as a family, genuine, uncomplicated. He missed the days when people just say what they really want, unafraid, so that their rulers can take care of their needs.

Then there's the problem of why Prince Walther's in the Wicked Queen's realm in the original movie--that's not his territory, if he has his own kingdom.

So I think it would be neat and interesting if the Queen wants Walther's land. Maybe she invited his parents, way back when, to a kind of audience to negotiate an alliance. Then she got jealous of his mother's beauty, maybe even tried to seduce Prince Walther's father, and assassinated them both when he rebuffed her. Oo, maybe even the Huntsman (her FAITHFUL Huntsman) helped her do it all those years ago.

But she didn't realize they had a young son, so she couldn't just raise her hand and say, "Hey Neighboring Kingdom, it's too bad your monarchs both mysteriously died--don't worry, I'll be your new leader" because Prince Walther's council suspected foul play (they always do, they're suspicious people) and were preemptively like "NO NO WE HAVE A PRINCE, WE HAVE A PRINCE! We're fine, we don't need help, everything's fine."

So she sort of had to stew on that. Maybe she even tried a couple more halfhearted attempts to get their throne, and they just never worked out--then eventually her attention was occupied by how much older her stepdaughter was getting, and how much prettier.

Anyway, Prince Walther asks for an audience with the Wicked Queen; he's about to become King, and he knows that the council fears their neighbor, and he sort of wants to go over and size the next-door ruler up for himself. So he rides over with a little delegation of the members of the Court he can actually tolerate the best, and is visiting.

It's not fun. They're only there for a day, but the Wicked Queen is definitely scary. For one thing, she's unnaturally beautiful and everyone he brought with him is either stupefied in her presence or terrified. He himself is very confused by her; he's an open-hearted guy, with a touch of naïveté even though he was raised with good intuition and doesn't trust the Queen. All audiences with her are full of all the formal, double-and-triple meaning conversations that he hates back home; except worse, because she makes everything seem more sinister.

So after a particularly weird conversation with the Queen where he can't decide if she was flirting with him or threatening his kingdom, he goes for a ride around the courtyard to clear his head. And what should he hear, like a breath of the freshest air since his parents died?

A pure, beautiful voice. A young girl singing--and not just singing about anything, but singing about what she really wants. Genuinely. Her heart's fondest desire--and it's not power, or land, or even freedom. Just love. She's singing loudly, like she doesn't care who might hear such a vulnerable longing.

And he climbs over the wall and sees this scullery maid. She's absolutely beautiful, even though she's dressed all in rags, and he loves the picture of her: sharing her heart with doves, who feel completely safe with her, and not having to worry about what anyone thinks of her.

He sort of eavesdrops on her for a little bit, and in this part of the movie, maybe we learn how impulsive he is. He just jumps over and tries to join in. Maybe it's even a little funny. And we can stretch out the feelings behind the part where Snow White runs from him--that feeling of her being unsure of a stranger, not because she worries about what he thinks, but because it's so surprising that anyone is taking notice of her so abruptly at all. And she doesn't know him.

Maybe he asks to extend his stay at the Queen's palace and keep negotiating or whatever, but he really just wants to get to know the scullery maid better.

Then the romance is sort of still fast, but built in a way that the audience can sink their teeth into. The Prince and Snow White have a few more mutually-agreed-upon meetings, not necessarily hiding them, but just in breaks between courtly audiences with the wicked Queen. They're both enamored with each other: she's never been treated so kindly by anyone and his whole faith in pure, innocent love and uncomplicated, genuine people is being restored just by talking to her. They bond chiefly over missing their parents.

Eventually he learns that she is the Queen's daughter--maybe from the Huntsman, maybe from Snow herself in an innocent way. He's stunned that she's treated so poorly, but the second he learns it, he confesses that he loves her and he wants to take her away from there. Plus, this solves the whole "will my kingdom go to war with the Wicked Queen or be allies even though we can't trust her" diplomacy thing--Snow White is her heir, so it would be a beautiful twist of Providence that the girl he has fallen in love with can also be the alliance of peace for the kingdoms through marriage.

Snow White accepts his proposal, but she's afraid for a moment that her stepmother won't allow it. The Prince urges her not to be afraid: he'll take her to his castle and they'll be happy no matter what: he promises it, he gives her his word, he encourages her not to worry because he won't let anything stop him. It's lovely. She finally has someone she can gift her superpower of pure love to, and someone who can treasure her like she deserves.

Problem is, the Queen overhears this last conversation, right after learning that Snow White is the new "Fairest of All" from her mirror, just like in the original film.

So while the Prince is convincing his council that he's proposed to Snow White, the Queen's largely-unknown secret stepdaughter, and is going to reveal the fact to the Queen tomorrow, the Huntsman and the Queen herself are plotting the assassination attempt that eventually leads to Snow running for her life and living with the Dwarfs before she ever gets the chance to see her betrothed again.

Then the movie unfolds largely the same way it did, but with more dialogue and nuance strengthening the original's main themes: Snow White is pure love in nature, and that's everything the Prince has been missing, and he fulfills his promise which she has total faith in. And along the way, the Dwarfs learn to care more about protecting an innocent girl than they care about protecting themselves, and treasuring a person over jewels. Grumpy in particular. And the Queen dies because she's a jealous witch who's self-love has twisted her into something ugly.

Basically, what I'm saying is, there's a way to make the Prince compelling for audiences who are now used to more fleshed-out interactions in movie couples. Just give him a background that is longing for pure, uncomplicated, innocent love. Then when he runs into Snow White, who's never been treasured and valued since her parents died, they give each other everything they've been longing for--and then they have faith in one another when circumstances, both funny and sinister, force them apart.

It's like the Notebook (just in story structure)--you build up romance in the first act through a few poignant scenes, but then the rest of the movie is about waiting for that romance to be fulfilled.

Anyway. I guess I could've said all this more succinctly, but I was kind of making it up as I went. 🤷‍♀️

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doctorhoe · 9 months

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keep thinking about that upcoming snow white remake and how rachel zegler, the actress who plays snow white kind of smugly said that "it isn't 1937 anymore" and that snow white won't be saved by a man or dream of a prince but instead the "leader she can become".

snow white was very much a product of its time, but that's not a bug. it's a feature. snow white's resilience and goodness in the face of evil was what the people at that time needed. this was during the great depression, not long before the second world war started in europe. everything sucked. snow white isn't a princess for those who had the power to change their circumstances. she has to sing to endure the horrors she faces, has to be kind to the people and creatures that surround her even when she is beaten to the ground and afraid. she has to endure and can only wish for a better life, as represented by the prince. and when she is killed by the queen, the woman who put her to work in rags and already attempted to have her killed (so essentially her employer and the owner of the land the dwarfs live on), she gets carried off by a silent man on a white horse into a castle in the skies. if nothing else, you'll be rewarded in death for all the horrors you endured with a smile and a song during your lifetime. making it so snow white now strives for power/leadership or whatever is taking away what made her so relatable and beloved among audiences back in the day. it's ignoring the fact that snow white was made for those who don't have the power to change their circumstances because they're too busy trying to survive them. it's saying: "surviving and being kind is enough. you will be rewarded eventually" well, not anymore :)

#i'm sorry but i just cannot shut up about this it makes me so mad somehow #snow white and the seven dwarfs #snow white remake #bla.

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riddlerosehearts · 9 months

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can i be honest and just say that the snow white remake deciding to get rid of the romance is SO incredibly annoying to me because like... snow white's prince is what people like to claim the princesses are. he doesn't have a canon name, he doesn't show up anywhere except at the beginning and end of the story, literally all he does is sing to snow white and kiss her, he essentially has no personality and his one and only purpose is to be a love interest. rachel zegler claims that the original snow white has no function beyond "someday my prince will come", but really, she's an abuse victim who chooses to be kind, to have hope and to dream of love, and to take control of her own life by doing housework for the dwarves in exchange for being allowed to stay with them. the prince is the one who has no function beyond "one song", other than to rescue snow white and make her happy!!

but the thing is, he wasn't planned to be such a nothing character!! walt wanted to do more with him, if only they hadn't had so much trouble animating him at the time. and i was hoping so badly that the remake would flesh him out and give snow white a truly beautiful romance with her prince, like she deserves, because there is nothing wrong with an abused teenage girl, or any girl for that matter, wanting to find true love! but disney has decided that actually there is, i guess?! i was hoping maybe they could be childhood friends who met before snow white's parents died, because in the original movie it seems possible, to me at least, that they already knew each other and that's why he was so comfortable sneaking past the castle walls and joining in on her song, and why she was so immediately enchanted by him. that maybe the reason she was surprised at first and tried to run from him was because her abusive stepmother didn't want him around and might harm him. or if not that, maybe he wants to work out a trade deal between his kingdom and hers and he comes by and introduces himself like a normal person instead of sneaking in. but instead they're just getting rid of him entirely and at this point i'm surprised the cinderella remake gave kit and ella such a beautifully developed love story instead of just removing prince charming and making cinderella some kind of shallow girlboss.

and then also, they're not including the dwarves all because peter dinklage complained that it's stereotypical to have a story about dwarves living in a cave when, um, they literally fucking don't?!?! it's kind of a pretty significant plot point that the house snow white is staying in is their house and they just work as miners 😭 i'm so tired of celebrities who probably haven't watched a disney movie since they were in diapers thinking they need to say shit like this. AND this whole decision is not even working out for disney because now they're also getting slammed by actors with dwarfism who are understandably disappointed at losing the chance to audition for those roles. when they could've just idk, kept the dwarves and taken the opportunity to be inclusive and give work to a highly underrepresented demographic instead of removing them based on blatantly false information?? and if the dwarves working as miners is still considered stereotypical/harmful, then why not... give them a different job that isn't?

sorry it's just. ugh. disney would be nothing without snow white and every single time i see promotional stuff for the remake it's all just the cast and crew disrespecting snow white and trashing it and saying they're making it better by cutting out its most important elements. i have nothing to look forward to with this movie anymore (not that i was looking forward to it that much to begin with) because apparently the only thing it shares with the original is its title character, and i'm sure she'll also be nothing like her animated counterpart.

edit because i didn't really expect anyone to see this: idk if the whole "getting rid of the romance" thing is true because after writing this i remembered that i've also heard something about the prince getting replaced with a new "robin hood-esque" love interest named johnathan?? so if they're still keeping him then there will still be romance i guess, it just won't be the classic fairytale romance snow white is associated with, and my frustration toward them choosing not to develop the prince into an actual character still stands. ESPECIALLY SINCE i also read that snow is supposed to "ride into battle with him"?! snow white?! imagine if in cinderella (2015) they changed prince charming into a roguish robin hood type and had ella fight battles with him. it would've been so weird and so far removed from the animated cinderella in a very jarring way. i hate it. also, because of an annoying tag i got on this post i also feel the need to add that i do NOT have a problem with "political correctness" or rachel zegler being latina lmao. i do, however, have a problem with her insulting the original snow white while openly admitting that she has not watched the movie since she was a child.

#i do not know what compelled me to write this and post it and idc if anyone sees it #i'm just. aaaaaaaaa #disney #snow white and the seven dwarfs #snow white #snow white remake

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simplysparrow14 · 9 months

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So many people angry and upset that people are expressing their hatred for the unreleased Snow White remake

But besties let me remind ya’ll that if Cinderella or Little Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast were to have been changed for contemporary audiences, then people would shit and cried and pissed their little pants because those are Disney darlings— the fucking bread winners.

Walt Disney is rolling in his fucking grave.

Snow White was literally Walt Disney’s baby. He went into thousands and thousands of dollars in debt for her to be made. He believed in her so much and worked around the fucking clock to make sure she was the best she could be because she was the first full length animated film ever made. Without her, there would be no fucking Cinderella or Ariel or Elsa or Belle.

There would be no Pixar or Dreamworks or literally any other animated movie in existence without her.

So Disney literally ripping apart Snow White and changing her entire core character just for having a goal and dream for something as simple as love is literally so disgusting.

I fucking hate it here.

Justice for Snow White.

#Disney #Walt Disney #Snow White #snow white and the seven dwarfs #Rachael Ziegler #snow white remake

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suzieloveships · 7 months

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Snow White remakes gets more hate for being bad than Mulan remake got for normalizing a crime against humanity.

Rachel gets more hate for saying what is going to happen in a movie than a person that literally supported police brutality.

Snow white remake is a harmless movie unlike Mulan so can we please stop

#rachel zegler #anti Liu Yifei #snow white #snow white remake #mulan #anti mulan 2020 #disney #anti disney

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emaswanned · 1 year

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Seriously, Disney, why would you make a live action adaptation of Snow White when ONCE UPON A TIME EXISTS.

If it ain't Lana Parrilla, I'm out.

(Ginnifer as Snow slays too tho lbr.)

#lana parrilla #regina mills #ouat #once upon a time #if it ain't regina it ain't right #snow white #evil queen #snow white live action #disney #disney live action #ginnifer goodwin #snow white remake #disney remake #mine

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dani-luminae · 2 years

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I don’t know what’s more annoying: the plethora of Disney live-action remakes, or the so-called “feminist” spins (feminism in quotation marks because it is always the most shallow kind of feminism, like the OG princess are weak and useless) that they keep pushing into them.

#SNOW WHITE WAS NOT USELESS IN HER FILM SHE HAD A FUNCTION BEYOND 'SOMEDAY MY PRINCE WILL COME'#yes i will die on this hill #snow white and the seven dwarfs #snow white remake

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artist-issues · 3 months

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I do think, while I'm on the subject of Snow White and that deleted scene with the imprisoned Prince, that if I could talk to the people making a live-action Snow White, I'd say, "put that back in there."

You know. In addition to keeping the Prince in the movie in the first place.

Because I think having Snow White's faith that he'll come for her magnified by how much he's willing to go through to find her can only be a good thing. Besides, "modern" audiences, already wanting more human interactions and less animal-antics scenes, would probably do that frustrating nitpicking thing and go "hey why did it take him so long to find her anyway?" If he's captured or delayed in coming by the Queen, so much the better.

But I wouldn't have the Dwarfs set him free. Because I think the Dwarfs need to never come in contact with this Prince they've been hearing so much about--until the moment he comes, and proves Snow White right. That moment was impactful in the original, and it should stay the way it is.

So instead I'd actually bring back the Huntsman. His whole thing as a minor character is that he obeys the Queen, then can't go through with it, but instead of standing up to her, he tries to trick her. Kind of cowardly. But maybe if he lets the Prince go free and makes a more direct stand against her, that can wrap up his small character arc and kill two birds with one stone at the same time.

These have been random thoughts, thanks for reading

#Snow White #Snow White and the seven dwarfs #classic film #alternate universe #au #fix it #Snow White 2024 #Snow White remake #live action Snow White #Prince Charming #Prince Florian #animation #concept art

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number1spongebobfan · 8 months

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Snow White is not Mulan

I usually don't like complaining about things I don't like, but this movie was a huge part of my childhood.

I'm honestly sick and tired of adaptions of Snow White changing the story and portraying her as a fighter. NO. This is not Snow White. She's a kind and meek princess who doesn't mind cooking and cleaning. She's not a freaking warrior. That's just disrespectful to her character and the source material.

Ugh. Rant Over.

#vent #snow white #snow white and the seven dwarfs #snow white remake #snow white 2024 #disney needs to stop

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cherrytea556 · 9 months

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I think people are yet again hating on disney for the wrong reasons. Disney is not pushing any 'woke' agenda on anyone, what they are doing though is using these 'woke' things for money. That's why you get these 'strong independent women' tropes in their remakes rather than disney actually putting effort to modernize and address the poorly age tropes they put in their work. That's why they add lgbt representation but either as a thing the audience doesn't notice or censors to keep homophobic countries money. That's why they raceswap the characters into their remakes without actually using it to tell the story in a different way (e.g, tell the story through the characters culture) instead of telling the same story with very little changes or even address their racism previously (e.g, the crows in the dumbo remake being completely gone) and with the new snow white movie coming up, its gonna be the same thing where the story would probably rehash jasmines plot from the alladin remake onto snow white and would be this 'strong independence feminist' movie without actually deconstructing the negative tropes of snow white into a feminist modern work.

Remember, these companies do not care about any agenda, only the money.

#i rest my case #capitalism #anti capitalism #disney #snow white #snow white remake #rachel zelger #snow white 2024

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rosie-may · 9 months

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"It's no longer 1937"... Let's Talk

Certain interviews regarding Disney's latest live-action remake have been all over the internet and social media recently, and I think it is important to talk about why that is.

Here are my honest thoughts about the damage that these interviews are doing to the original film, and why we shouldn't be so dismissive of great works such as 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarves' because they don't fit our ideals of today.

With that said, I don't want to add any personal hate to any of the actors involved in the film. These are my thoughts that pertain only to the interviews of Rachel Zegler and Gal Gadot regarding the live-action remake of Snow White.

I hope that you learn something new and perhaps find something interesting!

#disney #rachel zegler #snow white #snow white and the seven dwarfs #snow white remake #gal gadot

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shychick-52 · 8 months

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#disney #snow white #disney remakes #snow white remake

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